cheltenham horse?

Ridiculous statement is correct.One festival bumper did win his maiden hurdle at Tramore-Liberman.

The syndicate seems to be having some success but the fees they are charging are extortionate,the accumulative fees equate to €2200 per month.

BI's syndicate is only 2600 a month......but then again it's for a mare with......Colm Murphy .....great value.....the winning ways it's called.....

The monthly fee's don't look too bad considering it costs two grand a month plus extra's (schooling races etc.) to have one with the champion trainer. It's the initial fee's that surprise me given that in many of the cases the horses are leased off Willie or Kenneth Parkhill and I assume the club members don't truly own the horses. Still though if you can afford the fee's it's as sure an opportunity as you could hope for to guarantee a few days in the winners enclosure.

The horse was actually called Great Jones...Also their are no shares left in the horse so they are not simply just trying to sell it and although Cheltenham is months away,they obviously feel the horse has plenty of ability.You could see that tonight on ground they didnt think he would like.Could be twice the horse on good ground!

Bred to be a sprinter,by Johannesburg a brilliant two year old and winner of the breeders cup juvenile,didn`t train on,trained by Aiden O`Brien,his dam Attasliyah was by Marju and when previously covered by Johannesburg produced Rabatash who barely stayed six furlongs.
An extraordinary place to give Great Jones his debut and on heavy ground but then Willie Mullins is a genius,he also is either an investor or director of Tramore which might explain things.
You don`t normally expect good horses to run in Tramore bumpers but this fellow is good he put some distance between himself and the others from the final bend.
Are they leasing him?

wpm is a director of tramore racecourse

The horse was previously entered at Sligo or Roscommon a week or 2 back but the ground was just too heavy.The horse was just ready to run,dont think it had anything to do with Willie and Tramore..They have a few potentially very smart bumper horses!

as usual a whole load of nonsense......cheltenham horse my hole......that was a rubbish bumper.....anybody will tell ya that....
danny.....they hav one good horse pique sous......the rest are no use.......
dj876......liberman didnt win a maiden hurdle in tramore......not that has anything to do with this topic......
anybody ever get anything correct here......seems not.....

everyones a mug  except you!!any fancies for today?you seem to be a guy that knows lots so give us a winner for a change instead of slaggong off people

Liberman won a maiden on the flat at tramore riddeny by ruby

Won well in an awful race...........If that horse was in the top 15 of Willies bumper horses he would hae been way odds on and not 1/1.

kavvie......i tipped one horse ever here.....was backed off the board ......ran inexplicaply bad.....got abused......never tipped one since......and never will......a genuine tip from the trainer......it wasnt a personal fancy either not like all the nutjobs that tip here......
moneypenny......a maiden hurdle is a different race to  a maiden......the guy said it was a maiden hurdle.....it bore no relevance to the debate anyway
kavvie......theres nothing wrong with people being correct every now and then when they post something......even the odd time.....

Joe Cullen won the Cheltenham Bumper after winning a summer bumper at Tralee. Interestingly, he was also by a sprinter, River Falls and trained by Willie Mullins.

i think it was with winkworth , booby got it beat long odds on chance to , the trainer  had to give up training soon after ....he's been in recovery ever since . now calls himself misslimerick ffs ....booby that is ...booby said it effected him so bad he broke  our in....robos , slickters, misslimericks, thegalwayman , ttc etc...the poor lads never recovered ....believes he went to trinity college , didn't even know the orb there was only two of a kind ffs....

thank god u are one of a kind wonker......

must get very annoying when you're sitting down for a meal alright booby , wtf am i....a question asked of yourself every  day no doubt....

Bobby you really dont have a clue!All their horses are useless??Ill come back to this thread in due course to remind you of that u mug!

the thing is danny ...he'll deny it and say it was robo ....

the horse is leased..most of these are leased off ken parkhill..but my point is that is a silly statement imo..ive no doubt the horse is decent ..but good enough to run at the festival?..i may be wrong..but i doubt it..also they do have 3-4 decent horses ..zuzka won 3 from 5 races although her form has tailed off..they are all about getting mares to win so as to sell them on..the others they have will be kept i suppose..but pique sous is the best off them ..but they have one they really like ..tango..something..i think it had a setback and is on the easy list but they have high hopes for the horse...credit were its due great run there having..but silly thing to say this time of year?

Didn't think it was that much of a foolish statement. The horse could be anything. You can only beat what is put in front of you and to my eye at least it couldnt have been an easier win. Could easily be a Cheltenham horse imo

Yeah all the mares are leased from Ken Parkhill and I'm fairly sure Willie owns many of the geldings running for the club. As far as I can remember that horse that won last night was close to running in his own colours last autumn.

Every horse they've ran has won at least once bar the filly that got beat in roscommon recently on debut and she'll be fine too. They boast nearly a 50% strike rate from about 30 runners in total so not a bad start for the club with Pique Sous likely to be contesting good novice hurdles.

Tony, what are they supposed to do? They say that they think the horse could be fairly decent, maybe one for Cheltenham, and you criticize them. Owners and trainers get slated for not telling the public this and that and you just come on here to slate them for being up front with what they think. You come on here tipping up every horse the syndicate has running, giving out inside info that you're obviously getting from somebody in the syndicate, and then you've the nerve to come here on slag them off. No wonder you were kicked out of the syndicate.
And Bobby, you should be kicked off the forum cos you're a complete reject and know nothing about racing!

And as Danny said, try and get the bloody horse's name right

the dolerat from tallaght wonkrider losing the plot

Very well put COM2..Tony likes to come on here the night before a meeting and tip their horses,now hes on here slating them..Obviously is still getting the info but has sour grapes!

last years fifth in the bumper.....Whysomayo is a horse to follow.  I have heard he has wintered well

sweet child of mine
you make alot of presumptions that have no bassis in fact..firstly i said i think the statement was over the top..its not intended to put any slant on the club..how could you there record is very good..my point was for a summer bumper it was a over the top statement..thats my opinion,..i thought the race was very weak..(even for the time of year)..were you come off saying im passing info from someone i dont know..ive never said that ..you make these  comments and have no evidence only what you think.also i was thrown out of the club?..again you havent a clue what your talking about. ....you had a go at me once before over this club ..just co,s i put up a winner or 2 from them..just to put the record straight ive never tipped up every winner they have had...but one thing i dont see is your tips?..never mind a ****in winner!..i have never criticzed anyone on here..i only made my point over a opinion,...you seem a very sour person..ive never passed any words with you but you want to have a go at me ...by all means say you think im wrong on my opinion but to then go on about things you know nothing about only shows how silly and misguided you are...i dont intend to get into a slanging match with you co,s you havent got a clue about me or what ive said.....

danny murphy
  anouther who thinks they know somthing they dont..sour grapes..for what..?..i have that much sour grapes i gave there name to 2 people on here who were looking to get involved in ownership..i told them they are a well run club ...i gave them the names of the guy to talk too...very sour grapes...before making statments ..engage your brain..oh sorry i dont think you have one.....

Great input there Tony well done

well what do you want mate..ive never said a word to you yet you know more about me ....ive just shown you what you said about me is crap..

To, most of the time when that dyndicate has a horse running, you've started up a new thead here to say that it has working well or that they think a lot of this horse. So im just stating facts! And you've already said in another post that you have had some involvement with the syndicate so you obviously still have some s sort of link. And by doing this, you're ruining their chances of getting any decent chance of getting a half decent price. And by the way, Brad Jones was a goalkeeper who used to play for Liverpool :)

I like Tony57 posts and he has a hell of a strike rate,he only posted an opinion,he did so in an inoffensive manner.
I have alluded to this horses breeding earlier in the post,this makes me think he will not be a natural jumper,the fact he didn`t run earlier in his career would suggest he has had some problems although he was impressive in that bumper.

I like Tony57 posts and he has a hell of a strike rate,he only posted an opinion,he did so in an inoffensive manner.
I have alluded to this horses breeding earlier in the post,this makes me think he will not be a natural jumper,the fact he didn`t run earlier in his career would suggest he has had some problems although he was impressive in that bumper.

In fairness,im not on here long enough to know what Tonys strike rate is like..but if i tipped up all of the syndicates runners I would have a hell of a strike rate too..Anyway im not here to argue,just looking for winners and sharing information like everyone else!!Re Great Jones,i cant wait to see the horse run again on a bit of decent ground..Could be a machine!

He doesn`t tip all the syndicates horses,his last one was Duntle in Leopardstown,it won as well.

Interesting to see this attack on a poster that has simply expressed a view and surprise at over the top comments, or what he believes are over the top comments from connections.

Joe Cullen did something similar but he is right that the horse has proved nothing yet other than he has more than average ability as he won a garbage race easily. He could be decent but time will tell.

I am surprised that Wildman has not established any connection between COM and DM at this stage, so I decided that with only 37 posts from DM a little sleuthing over a coffee would not take very long. I had a quick look and they are likely to be in some of the horses and more specifically in this horse. DM has only posted on this thread, the tipping competition and a thread about the ride of Zuzka at Galway over the past month, from what I can see. The incorrect naming of the horse has annoyed both of them.

They are also friends outside of the forum and there is a small possibility that they are in fact the same person, although that is doubtful and they are probably just using the same device to bet on occasion rather than being the same person with 2 accounts?


ChildOfMine2     03 Aug 12 15:27 
2pts win California Rose
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ChildOfMine2     03 Aug 12 15:27 
2pts win California Rose
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ChildOfMine2     03 Aug 12 15:28 
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Dan Chipowski     03 Aug 12 15:31 
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ChildOfMine2     03 Aug 12 15:31 
Sorry lads that last one is for Danny Murphy..logout wont work on the poxy phone!
A winner is a winner tho!!!


Wildman - I am sure you will have a view on this.

Yeah we're mates and good ones but does that mean we cant agree on the same thing? The fact of the matter is that Tony comes on here telling everybody info about the syndicate's horses, obviosly from somebody else, and then starts up a new thread to slag them off for telling everybody that they might have a good one - which is the exact same thing that Tony has been doing on here for months. I've no problem with you Tony but fair is fair and im just calling it as I see it.

Maybe he was over the top, but many threads have been started in the past doubting the credentials of a horse for a big race after winning an egg and spoon contest.

There is obviously a bit of a niggle between you and Tony and it might well be that as a owner in these syndicates that you are over sensitive about remarks made about the horses.

The organiser is not going to be too bothered as it is more publicity and not many Tramore winners get a thread devoted to them.

Bobby's point on some of the horses may be valid to some extent. Some are very small mares who may not progress over obstacles although we have seen mares like Feathard Lady completely disprove that theory.

my point is com,..you say things that have no truth in them..also you have not answered any of my points only go on about my opinion about a horse that won a summer bumper!....for anyone wanting to know how any of the clubs horses are fancied please follow the clubs twitter accountas ive said if im proved wrong then fair enough its just my opinion saying the horse could be good enough to go to the festival is premature at this stage..for you to then come on and attack me personally..stating im getting info from the ownership?(i can say for the last time i have nothing more to do with the club)..i have put more owners there way(some sour grapes)..you post nothing benifical to this forum as far as i can see only to make things up in your own mind that have no bassis in fact....your mate danny then comes on and says im somthing im not, then admits he knows nothing about me?..tell me who looks foolish now!..ive learned a long time ago not to write things before thinking about them...but to say you have no problem with me com ...is fanciful imo...i can only hope by me showing you up for being silly and spitefull you will leave me alone..as i have no wish to continue this with someone who does not know what there talking about...

Lets just agree to disagree on this one fellas.

Lets just agree to disagree on this one fellas.

No worries danny...

Regards

wildmanfromborneo

there is some loons on here......there really is.......the horse is worthless.......a piece of dung......if it was any good it wouldnt have run in tramore........how could anybody that knows anything be even debating about this.......i repeat.....they have one potentially top horse......the rest of them are screws......

Oh good man Bobby..More tripe coming out of ya..I happen to own a share in the horse and i can tell you now,its no piece of dung!!You'll see that for yourself but i have no doubt you will still have something bad to say..
Tony,,I shouldnt have been offended so easily but when you couldnt get the horses name correct it annoyed me..that is all im going to say on the matter now anyway its gone too far.

I like the horse but have a few genuine questions for you.
How did ye get him?
How long have you got him?
Could you describe him for me?
His pedigree is fascinating and would suggest to me a flat career rather than a jumping one,he amazingly stayed the two miles well but this fellow has to have speed as well,rather than go down the hurdle route would ye not consider trying him on the flat,ye have nothing to lose ye can always switch back.
These comments are meant to be constructive and are in no way a jeer.

if they run him on the flat he will be fecked for the cheltenham bumper. christ what a ****ing disaster that would be.

Currently have 3 more with Willie up for syndication Wildman,
www.supreme-horse-racing.co.uk
It was a lovely run from him,handled the ground well and he got into a fair old state before the race,which makes the run all the better.
Very best of luck with him DannyMurphy.

danny murphy......get out of the syndicate if ya can......you are being conned up to your eyes poor man.....ya hav more say in who plays for donegal next sunday.....than ya do in any horse of supreme......everybody knows the english guy.....nobody else gets a look in.......as for a cheltenham winner coming out of tramore.....agus a vic has a better chance of winning the gold cup......than that johannesburg thing  has of winning the cheltenham bumper......

A friend of mine pointed me in the direction of the Syndicate.I just wanted to get involved in owning a horse for a few days out.I could not have made a better decision looking back now.I have been involved with Great Jones for nearly 2 years now but we've had the slight setback with him here and there.Despite his breathing the plan was always to go the bumper route with him as he showed plenty of gears and speed aswel as stamina at home.Willie has had a few flat breds which have been quality in the NH world and we hope Great Jones could be another.Who am i to argue with the man,afterall he knoes best.
Willie likes to start a lot of his horses in low key bumpers and the horse was ready to run last week..
Bobby with a trainer like Willie Mullins the owners dont need to have much of a say!..Im pretty sure ive got much more of a chance of having a Cheltenham runner than you do!
Hopefully the horse stays sound and we have a great season..All you can be is optimistic!

a fool and his money are easily parted

good luck with him danny , at least you put your hand in your pocket and made your dream come true .....dont mind the likes of that manic depressive booby ...enjoy the journey ...

good luck danny..pay no attention to anyone else..i can understand you being upset at what i said but i said nothing wrong imo..only that i thought it was a little over the top to talk of cheltenham..the horse as i said won well and is decent..(for the time of year)..this is just my opinion danny..the club is well run and by decent lads..as ive said i have put 2 more people there way...your freind com..went on as if he had a share in the horse?..as i said if you check the clubs twitter account you can see i have said nothing that is not already public knowlage..i knew this club at the beggining...its a great consept..you can be a owner with the best trainer in the world for not a lot of money get full owners benifits and prizemoney and get out after a year if you want!..or you can own outright..(i dont know what horses are owned or leased) i do not let the club take up a lot of my time..its in the past for me..but as i was involved with it for a while im always goin g to lookout for there runners  or new horses ..is that not normal...for the life of me i carnt understand why my comments were taken so badly....i do hope for your sake the horse is a world beater ..you deserve all the luck you can get..i respect you for putting your money were your mouth is....but if you get upset just co,s i spelt the horse s name wrong then you need to lighten up mate..but i do wish you and the other owners all the best.

never trust a convert,too much too prove

I was a bit hasty Tony,apologies!I just hope he can prove a few others on this forum wrong now!

all aboard the supreme horse racing bandwagon after that great win at tramore,a chelthenham festival contender no less!all mugs welcome

Atleast the one thing we know for sure is that when Danny is at Cheltenham next March, you'll still be at home on your computer Kingrat :(

i know a few fellas who owned a few before and were in various degrees of hard luck.they joined the supreme rc and i can say straight up here that it was the best thing they ever done.as stated above your horse being trained by best nh trainer in the world.and lots of winners and great fun into the bargain.

all aboard,the train is leaving,destination is palookaville!

This place is like Schizo City these days

That was a very promising run today by great jones......leaves them with a problem now though.......which race will he be aimed at in cheltenham......has a whole range of options open to him......bumper supreme/neptune maybe champion hurdle or possibly the stayers......would ruby go for him or hurricane fly if it comes to it.......
As bobby quite rightly predicted......horse is a piece of dung......not worth one months training fee......

Brad Jones

The charity race maybe an option for him id say