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NICE HORSE........Seamie took a pull a furlong out on his.......2 nice colts.
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Mars on the way to post in Dundalk today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JDJzEtUz_4&feature=plcp
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Superb performance!
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Looked to be only getting going approaching the jam stick.
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Did it well, but there was no opposition worth talking about. The stable companions were out to get a bit of experience. The Ferryman looks a likely starter in Weld's favourite maiden on the Monday in Galway.
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^ 2nd that!
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I hope you are right Soaap - i'l get a bigger price on Thunder Mountain!!
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Thunder Mountain (IRE) 9/1 2 9-5 D K Weld — * *
Pat Smullen Always towards rear, never a factor, no threat from 2f out Come racing! |
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Completely agree with the hype and the bookmakers are talking tosh there was no word from Ballydoyle about Camelot. I followed the horse and markets since he was on my radar before he had even run and there was no murmuring these chap is the next coming.
If there is any superstar its Dei for me! |
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Dei
ffs,who the hell is naming these animals these days!?? |
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Its a good name!
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why u think dei is a poss superstar rubes?
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He likes the name
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Latin in some form for God innit.
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I just follow my gut most of the time and the page.
Not entered up in anything bar the Derby and National Stakes. None of these hocus Pocus Group 2 races. Has not been entered in any race this side of Summer hence my feeling he is one of the better but more patience is required with him. They throw out horses half cut most the time in maidens so that for me is another good sign that he isn't being entered up with Dozens of others. Galileo-Danehill cross. Enough said in reality should be on everyone's list with a brain. Another thing I look at but its quite objective is where they are entered up. For instance Mars is Dundalk, I don't care how good he is that is a piss poor maiden for me I look Curragh/Leapardstown/Naas or even Gowran Maidens in recent years. Usually are strong and I like to see plenty of other big stables represented. Now people will say ah sure Camelot he won a 4 runner maiden at Leapardstown and you put him up last year but of course then you look at the horse with your eye, the way he is ridden, how tenderly he is ridden etc so only race course can validated your view and of course the makeup, his scope his arse his tempremant. How many handlers are with him and of course the most important part his name.DEI |
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Another thing I look at but its quite objective is where they are entered up. For instance Mars is Dundalk, I don't care how good he is that is a piss poor maiden for me I look Curragh/Leapardstown/Naas or even Gowran Maidens in recent years. Usually are strong and I like to see plenty of other big stables represented.
Ruby,Normally id be with you 100% on that one,But surely you must realise that ground conditions around ireland and the uk for that matter are atrocious at this moment in time,probably the wettest summer we have had in quite some time id say,Mars has also been withdrawn two or three times in recent weeks because of the ground,The all weather at Dundalk provides trainers with a great opportunity to run their baby's on a decent surface without giving them too hard a race or too bad an experience that running them on heavy ground would no doubt do, Also,Dundalk weekday meetings are few and far between,Have these been added because of the awful summer were currently having?id have thought they were. |
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OntheSnaff i perfectly accept that and the norm continues to change and evolve in the world we live in.
However I have yet to see a Dundalk Winner of AOB prove a Group 1 horse. Rememeber Ernst Heminghway only this year? or that Watchman Filly who has in fairness proved a right good horse but for Ballydoyle I do not trust until i see solid evidence. Another thing OTS, why was Mars Ridden the way he was on a sound surface, If I remember correctly all the potential from that stable from behind, Tenderly ridden hands and heels teach the horse to be within runner to settle etc. and quicken. Piece of work is what AIDAN LOVES TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT Camelot ridden from in behind the pace . I guarntee you that Dei will not be ridden like Mars(but that is only my Opinion) something to bear in mind!. Noting concrete mind you as many love to shoot down my theories etc and argue with little nuances i say but I LOVEto see my horse(my pick for the year) ridden with confidence like Camelot. You could tell how good he was the way they thought him last year, Mars didnt learn much today bar that he is a good animal but how good?. Camelot for me was the star last year the twinkle in my eye all from being at that sunny Thursday evening. Its all about gut, he is my gut. We have to wait and see |
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The fact that he was entered in Newmarket (again this might be ground related) is off putting.
Not many real stars go to England first time. Only Stravinsky springs to mind as a top class horse that debuted in England. |
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Even small things. Who bred the horse??
Commonwealth?? who are Commonwealth from my knowledge a Coolmore Holding Company. Why has the mare Last Love simply been off the radar? I don't remember anything by her so far. Who bought yearling from the Dam's DAM DAM Rose Red back in the Celtic Tiger days? Well it was only Mr Maginer 240,000 for Charles O Brien, never ran, Rose Pompadour useless by Mr David Watchman Summer Flight from the Dams Dam Summerosa who bought her? Mr John Magnier in training with the Sangster family with John Gosden. The dam Last Love bought by once again Mr John Magnier and in training with Aidan O Brien. Kept at Coolmore in Ireland for this long at 11 years of age despite never even having a runner on the course, and having one foal by Fusachi Pegasus that made 300k. Why did it make 300k with such a average page race wise? Produced good stock, good walker and scopey type I would imagine. So is it likely that Dei is a good walker? a good stock? My guess is yes but its a educated guess |
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Good point ruby,But the only thing id say regarding how or why he made all today is possibly because he was drawn very wide,But i take your point,Wouldn't imagine Mars would have learned much having done it from the front,i'd be very wary in backing him for the Derby tbh,Far too early to determine if he's anywhere near good enough,
i'm sure aidan has one or two better 2 yo's in his yard,as i said earlier,i liked how The Ferryman shaped up,No idea if he's good enough to win a Derby but im pretty sure he will be a Group 1 horse in the not too distant future. |
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What did you make of "The United States" recent debut ruby?
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Now the Ferryman was a very interesting runner and a very well named horse IMO as i did frequent that pub a lot during my student days for a late night tipple. It got what i call the Seamie special, buried mid pack, very keen, no interest in getting him to settle per say as to get him running within horses. Then look what happens let the winner get first run 4-5l ahead of him at Dundalk of all courses is very hard to make back. Not touched the whip, the the Chicken Elbows job all the way home pushing him up and out not driving him, prob due to his greeeness. Stays on past beaten horses and the boys with the notebooks are out. Better type of Galileo, bigger for me. Mars doesnt look scopey, The Ferryman has plenty of scope for me eye.
Well what was the point in that many will argue . Money was down on Mars, best horse won on the day but The Ferryman given a lovely ride as they call it down at Fethard. Should absoutlely bolt up in a maiden next time. Galway 7f Maiden up with the pace, reach for that uphill ground and wins 5l for me.With The United States another well named horse, Jesus they are doing well this year . Didn't see the race but won on debut, related to fire lily..... half brother. Looks good but screams a Cape Blanco type. An grinder, he is also the spitting image of him to boot. One to head to France possibly next year to grind out a few Group 1's from the front. They have to have a few sexier than him. |
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Another interesting point will be the betting on The Ferryman at Galway. With Weld likely to have a fav early Morning, late evening AOB will be smashed up. Be a typical money on at all prices job.
Theatre nobody is mentioning, I thought he put up the best performance so far of all Coolmore's Juveniles. Plenty of scope with him. |
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Very well said ruby,agree with all of that,The united states had to battle for his win,Be interesting to see how that form works out,As himself and the oxx horse pulled well clear of the remainder.
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What a brilliant thread -a feast of factual well-informed presentation .
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a very good thread lads..
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thanks wr.
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ilwab..i left a message over on the other thread for you....
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The Ferryman runs 2moro.
I will eat my hat if he doesn't hack up. |
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i hope someone pays him...
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ya ruby would have been an easy winner if the wonder horse had stay at home...but hang on to your hat m8 theres rain f/cast.
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leitir mor will be a hard one to beat?
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or maybe another 2nd placing and then galway!?!?
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Wd Lads ,Stablemate one to follow again
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i availed of the 6/4 on bf at the off..
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I managed to lay leitir mor last nite at 2.2,with a165% overound and got stuck in at the 6/4 aswell
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Well done Ruby.
Looked the best horse at Dundalk under a very considerate ride and looked very good today despite being very green. |
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great call ruby.when you are that confident and share it on here you are leaving yourself open to the knockers..
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Nobody could knock him whatever the result given the detail which he went into on this thread.
That effort deserves its rewards as opposed to about turns after the race. |