Nobody is debating they're numpties Kelly and the dolling off of the fence should have been much clearer, but its all just surmising as to whether the result was effected.

For all Sizing Europes good jumping he did make a couple of fiddly errors during the race, he could have fiddled the last and Finians Rainbow ping it, or both could have pinged it or maybe even one of them fall, so many permutations, that he came out of the barging match still about a half length up and was beaten a length and a quarter at the finish by a horse winning going away, it can only be pockets talking that would suggest anything other than Finians Rainbow was the better horse on the day.

One things for certain once they jumped the 2nd last the Sizing backers were sweating buckets as Finians Rainbow was looming large and those of us who know SE to be a weak finisher you could say the writing was already on the wall.

Ah well you quit with the rubbish of speaking thru your pocket please Mr Fav backer from Borneo. Analyise the race fully man and you will clearly see the result would not change, FR moved into 6th gear as Sizing was stuck in 5th. Great race but don't take away from a well deserved winner.

There's two ways of looking at the QM yesterday.

The first is that in an ideal world Wishful Thinking wouldn't have fallen and the last would have been jumped. Sizing was in front an awful long way out and it's a hard task for any horse to lead off the bend and stay in front with nothing to aim at. In addition jumping another fence would have also been a big help as a sprint doesn't suit him and you can be almost guaranteed that he'd come up well for Andrew if given the opportunity (despite flicking through a few of the previous fences). However if FR was within a length of SE away from the last then he would have quite probably have nutted him near the line.

As it happened having to snatch up inconvenienced SE more than the winner because a big horse like him is always at there best when rolling along and having to check up like that  easily cost him a length for me. If proper procedures were in place and some sort of plastic railing or tape had been put up guiding them around the dolled off fence and no interference had taken place then it would have been much closer but i'd still have FR as the winner by a head.

It was a highly unsatisfactory situation and as Ted said you wouldn't see it at a p2p. Them ****s in the BHA spoiled a great race and robbed the spectators, punters and connections of a fair contest. De Bromhead deserves great credit for being so stoic when interviewed after the race though I suppose it didn't require much debate as it's plain as day that what occurred was terribly amateur.

Also whether you agree with the whip rules or not they could not waive a ban just because of what happened.

Not true at all, what rules are you looking at? When a fence is dolled like the one y'day it means that part of it is avilable to jump. This is fact mate, race should have been void mate.

The reason they moved the signs together was for the protection of the people on the other side.Your point about discretion contradicts your earlier post,my point was given the extenuating circumstances they should never have imposed a ban,should have given him a medal.
One day by accident Rocketfingers will get something right but i will surely be gone to God when it happens.

The guy is a clueless moron, i would not even enter into a convo with him. What is his point "Sizing Europe wasn`t robbed but he was unlucky as i have no doubt if he had to jump the last he would have won."

This is a man who said the Charity race was the best race before to bet on. Don't make me shame you by asking me to bring it up Wildman

If a loose had come round the bend then he would be less likely to run in the direction of the flag man and the green screens than he would be to run to the outside of the track. You can be as arbitrary as you like and of course safety has to be the primary concern but there should have been much more done to notify the jockeys that the fence was being dolled off.

So one set of procedures were applied stringently and correctly in your view and you see no problem yet another set of rules were applied in a similarly exact manner and you expect discretion to be shown. To most minds there should have been a bit of nous used in both cases but if you've no problem in people hiding behind the rulebook then your standards should apply across the board.

Also you say that the thought process of Andrew Lynch was compromised approaching the fence. This was obviously due to the actions taken by the fence stewards, actions perceived by most to have been lacking in decisiveness and effectiveness. All the while you still state that it wasn't an unsatisfactory conclusion to one of the great races in the calender and that i'm the one contradicting myself. Sure.

Public school boys who are not fit to run a bottle stall at their old boys fete - making excuses for a total disaster. They are making it up as they go along, and closing shop as they go along in addition. How can you manage what is a championship race in the equine olympics in that manner is just unbelievable!

Sizing was robbed, the race should have been voided and I agree that the last two should have been dolled off if any were to be.
Henry must be fuming and I hope he gets his revenge.

Also, surely Lynch is due compensation after that and the Voler ride yesterday?

Nothing wrong with a pocket talking thread , grade 1 , as long as the subject needs debated .  The authorities tried to brush this one under the carpet , but thankfully forums like this allow the ordinary joes to express dissatisfaction where it is warranted .

And when someones living is adversely affected by the same authorities who make the rules it is a worry .  To allow people to be judge and jury goes against my principles , independence is always needed to stop under the carpet behaviour . If you sin you take the consequences , OK with that , but to punish one guy and ignore a bigger culpability is basically wrong . Acknowledgement needed , but guess we may have to wait until the Aussie sorts them out ( hopefully , but dont hold your breath ) .