FICKLE FORTUNE "VERY IMPRESSIVE"

wouldnt be in the first ten at cheltenham wake up man

First impression-Easy to look impressive beating trees!

Have to agree with MissRobo i would be amazed if this horse goes to Cheltenham.
On another thread i objected to Silver Concorde ducking Un Atout in the Naas bumper on the say so of Willie Mullins,Noel Meade is another that runs scared of Mullins.No runner in the Naas bumper but has Ned Buntline in the Leopardstown four year old bumper,no Mullins horse and four days later runs a four year old filly against older horses again no Mullins runner.They backed Ned Buntline but punt the living daylights out of Fickle Finger it can`t be accidental its all carefully choreographed.

moscow mannon v visually impressive from an irish perspective , ex irish pointer ballyalton made a winning debut at warwick last week for ian williams , also impressed with mccains doyle carte a few weeks ago at catterick , dunno if the latter is cheltenham bound though

very 'sexy' performance from the recording I've just seen, I'll probably be backing her for the rest of her career on the strength of that

very good mare i can tell ya

just on another note misslimerick85 are you here just to disagree with stamford or have you anything posstive to say or write up ???

Chelt. Bumper-not a race I wud have a bet on,but so far Moscow Mannon's form def has the most substance.A major downside for me wud be dat Declan Lavery will keep the ride,even giving that the has knowledge of the horse(wiped out by lack of  course knowledge),he wud be at least 7 lb inferior to pros.Some will say u have to admire the loyalty,not me this is a ruthless game.

DJ  DECLAN LAVERY IS VERY GOOD UP AN COMING JOCKEY AS PROVED BY HIS WINNING RIDE ON STATION LANE IN THE HURDLE TODAY AND HOPE HE KEEPS THE RIDE ON MOSCOW MANNION  , I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH FICKLE FORTUNE WITH WORKRIDER WHO ALSO AGREED THAT SHE IS LOVELY STAMP OF A HORSE . THE FACTS ARE NINA SHOWED  HOW GOOD JOCKEY SHE IS LOT WOULD HAVE BEEN UNSEATED IN THE COLLISON BUT ONCE SHE LET OUT INCH REIGN IT WAS OVER AND EVERYONE THAT WAS THERE KNEW WE HAD SEEN A REAL GOOD HORSE , AND BY JEEZ TOOK LONG LONG TIME FOR NINA TO PULL UP  .ID AVOID CHELT AS SHE ONLY 4 YEAR OLD BUT THINK WE WILL LOT MORE COME FROM THIS EXCITING WINNER PS I DIDNT BACK HER

As I said in the Thread I'd avoid the Cheltenham Bumper..Theres a lovely race in Punchestown for and also a Mares bumper in Cheltenham in april (not sure if shes eligible for that). But if they can iron out her temperament issues she could mop up a lot of valuable mares races.
It's common knowlege that a lot of trainers ring each other up prior to final declarations. And you can't blame them for trying to get as easy a race as possible into a debutant. Willie Mullins rarely if ever runs horses in that Leopardstown 4 Year Old Bumper. But Meades yard knew this mare today was as good if not better than NED BUNTLINE.. that Leopardstown race turned into a sprint and we might see better from SILVER CONCORDE in time was trapped in when the leaders got first run. But he was never mentioned in the same breath as las last years winner !

Fair point Stamford,i accept that Mullins rarely has runners in those early bumpers but how then did he manage to frighten everyone away from the Naas bumper.Over the last few years Mullins has managed to scare off the opposition by exaggerating the ability of his horses,this has resulted in moderate horses getting away with murder.I also get the impression that a middle man is advising who has an in in both stables and he in conjunction with others is punting them.If you review the bumpers you will see horses backed to ridiculous odds[three 1/4 shots at least]a bit of market manipulation on here and then any price is a good one.It took some money to back Fickle Fortune,a four year old filly against older horses,and some bravery but they have some strike rate this alliance seems to be working.

Which alliance wildman??

I SPOKE TRAINOR B4 THE BUMPER HE SAID  HAD KNEW THIS MACHINE WAS RUNNING HE WOULD STAYED DOWN SOUTH

people getting carried away terrible race

MISSLIMEPRICK THINK YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT LOS AMIGOS WILL WIN DECENT BUMPER AS WILL NOLANS BUT IT TOOK NINA A SERIOUS TIME PULL THIS MARE UP LOOKS HAVE SERIOUS ENGINE

Very impressive is right although it wasnt a good race.......Will more than likely be aimed at the mares bumper at Aintree where she will definitely be favourite......Flat track and good gallop will look tailor made for her.....often a good bit of hurly burly in that race so the buffeting it got today will stand her in good stead.....Would blame Nina for the trouble.....there was no need to go where she did as it had about 3 stone in hand......Paul will be able to ride at Aintree and with her cruising speed that should be a match made in heaven....

los amigos is a plodder who may win a 3 mile hurdle u will find

How you can say a four year old filly who wins a Down Royal bumper on heavy ground will definitely start favourite for the mares bumper in Aintree is a mystery to me.

I think the second home LOS AMIGOS is useful and will win a bumper or maiden hurdle for sure. but it was the manner of victory that reeally impressed me. I think people nowadays realise The Cheltenham Bumper is no longer the be all and end all..In fact last years Aintree Bumper looked a better race than The Cheltenham equivalent. It's working out well too !
Noel Meade will place this mare to good effect and do whats best for her. Meade has gone close in the Cheltenham bumper a few times..Back in 1993 he introduced an exciting horse in that aforementioned Leopardstown 4 Year Old Bumper called HEIST who sluiced home landing some huge wagers (much stronger ring Back Then). HEIST beat a horse called Rhythm Section trained then by Jim Bolger.  Rhythm Section extracted revenge at Cheltenham now trained by Homer Scott under a vintage Paul Carberry ride went on to beat HEIST 9/4 Fav under a less than inspired Charlie Swan drive . Arguably the best bumper horse Meade ever trained was the brilliant but enigmatic and slightly fragile  Tiananmen Square. I recall having my brains on him when he was a monster punt into 9/10 on his Naas debut and sluiced up from RISK AVERSE. but it was his second start when he destroyed the much vaunted MORCELLI 11/8fav at Fairyhouse in a good winners bumper that had him dubbed as the new Golden Cygnet. He bolted up under Timmy Hyde from Morcelli ridden by a bemused David Marnane. He went to Cheltenham as an Irish Banker and the nap of the meeting for many good judges and went to post 6/6 favourite. But MONTELADO put him firmly in his place in what many feel to this day was the best ever Cheltenham bumper ironically in it's first ever runing. Richard Dunwoody was onboard MONTELADO. But we saw the real TIANAMEN SQUARE in The Punchestown Bumper as he extracted revenge. After 3 victories as a novice hurdler including the scalp of DORANS PRIDE the sky looked the limit for TIANAMEN SQUARE,but injury blighted his career which had only 4 further runs and ended in the 1996 stayers hurdle when he was pulled up ! A case of what might have been. Meade was also close in the 2008 Bumper when Corskeagh Royale was 2nd to COUSIN VINNY.

Because she is unquestionably the best bumper mare in Ireland.....theres every chance she is the best bumper animal let alone a mare......shes an absolute certainty to be favourite......english mares are never a whole load either.....and this mare will have a big following after today.....

In above I meant to say  TIANAMEN SQUARE went to Cheltenham as an Irish Banker and the nap of the meeting for many good judges and went to post 6/4 favourite (not 6/6 as above)

high head carriage wait till she has to battle which will be next time out she will vomit

Lookingfor
Do you ever factor in ground conditions?

Aintree mares bumper is not a strong race.
John Kiely had a 1-2 in it a couple of years ago,Candy Creek,Liss na Tintri

We've seen a few high class mares in the Cheltenham Bumper too MUCKLEMEG beat another great mare ARIES GIRL in 1994

Wildman.....Meade is quoted as saying it has plenty speed stays well and will go on any ground.....that will do me .....he does train the thing after all.....maybe you know more than him about it but forgive me if i side with Meade.....

Lookingfor
Did you ever hear of Mandy Rice Davis?

indeed wildman.she will break a lot of these lads by the look of it.

http://youtu.be/Yk4Wwx0WDtw

Yes wildman.....you are implying that Meade is lying to protect his own interests.....dont know why really....

You have gone up in my estimation,not exactly lying but he will always praise his horses.Owners always have high hopes plus they may want to sell so trainers generally say what the owners want to here.
Fickle Fortune looked suited by that ground so i would doubt her effectiveness on good or fast ground which it normally is at Aintree,they also ducked the two four year old bumpers presumably because they thought Fred Buntline was better.

here and Ned

Three things wildman.....didnt know who mandy rice davis was just googled her.....the way they backed her then theres every chance she was working better than Ned Buntline......finally i am not saying she will win at Aintree if she does turn up but what ia am saying is she is a cert to be favourite and short too.....

she's a 5/1 shot to be fav

Have to leave now.....some cretin called misslimerick with a new account butting in......

running scared of a lady

http://youtu.be/dXyddCvyE1c

The passing of time does not make the ride on Alderbrook any better.

Kim Bailey was a big player those days..Much smaler outfit now,but a yard that is shrewd and knows the Time Of day when they punt one !
They have asuperb prospect in Harry Topper very impressive in Uttoxeter and Wincanton...

hope they d'ont run her in another bumper she has too much speed - she won on the bridle after pulling for her head for most of the race CLASS

STAM, fyi

misslimerick 29 Jan 12 21:46
young peter was a good jock rode 3 winners for me back along

(as in Peter CASEY, trainer of Irish Arkle winner Flemenstar on the 29.Jan.12)

http://www.newstalk.ie/2012/featured-three-footer/winning-jockey-peter-casey...

as in peter casey jnr

AND an Arse nal fan tooooooooo

are u the irish forum loudmouth?

Would GANT007 or Rocketfingers who are on first name terms with Noel Meade ask him on behalf of the forum why he ducked the two four year old bumpers with this very very very very good filly and ran her in an all aged Down Royal bumper.

Wildman maybe she wasnt ready to run in Naas......or they considered the ground too deep.....they were hardly going to run against Ned buntline......what stable run their top bumper horses against each other on their debuts....

Yourself in good company and your horses in bad company.Thought you would have known that one wildman you are of a vintage when that saying was first coined.

Two fair points but he is now telling us she is a champion.My own theory is he was told by a fat man not to take on Un Atout at Naas,the same gentleman told the Weld connections they had no chance at Naas on a quid pro quo basis with disastrous results as they promptly got Weld to withdraw Silver Concorde for bogus reasons.Willie Mullins had no runner in either the Leopardstown or Down Royal thus fulfilling his side of the bargain.

It is a strange enough place to start alright, but she couldn't have done it any better. There is something about these Meade horses and the way they travel, so exuberant. Maybe it is just that horses seem to run for the Carberrys, but she'd remind you a bit of Harchibald,Go Native,Dylan Ross the way they just cruise. I really like the way Meade Hurdlers jump and travel and I'd say she will really excell in that sphere.

If only they ran a little more of the bridle

Meade is happy to run some of his better horses there.

Monksland started there and Dylan Ross won a bumper there last year.

Willie Mullins even took his machine (was 7/1 or so for the bumper ahead of the run) Craanford Mill there to make its debut.

I'd forgotton that DV, maybe a sign that he has lost a little bit of confidence as the quality of his string has come down a bit.

wildmanfromborneo IMO you really are cluthing at straws in some of them comments

A bit premature to be calling Fickle Fortune's bumper win as the best bumper performance in Ireland! The race she won was run at a crawl. Mark Me Up won the previous race in a time over 8 seconds faster than FF off just a rating of 85. It's hard to describe the runner-up as a "good yardstick" as he had only one previous run albeit a perfectly respectable debut second. The third home was by Milan (they stay all day). Backing hype horses at short prices is the road to the workhouse. And reliable top-class mares are few and far between. A nice introduction win no doubt but way too early to be getting carried away by a mare winning a slow run Down Royal bumper on heavy ground. In my opinion Champagne Fever and Venture Capital have shown at least a stone better form and probably nearer 20 pound better. She can improve and probably will but at the price she is likely to be there will almost certainly be value in opposing her next time out...win or lose!