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Looks like we're all doomed....unless of course your a vunerable traveller getting 80 or 90 Thousand with all the social welfare handouts!!
I can't wait for when Europe forces the government to increase the corporation tax. Sovereignty will be completely dead.
Good performance I thought...calm , reasoned , sympathetic and reassuring.
vubiant .....may I ask what did he say that gives you that slant ? he's a buffoon and Merkels puppet on a string........... when he said "I want to be the Taoiseach, pause pause ..I was thinking but you are Enda you are dont listen to Bruton ,Creighton, Martin, or that horroble sneaky smug Blind Hayes.....they wouldn't run a hen house the lot of them......how the hell did we vote this lot in cant wait to vote them out .........as Thatcher said out, out, out...............wasters and cowards ............
Jay they were only voted in because the people wanted their revenge on that other bunch of thieves, in a nutshell they're only in goverment by default.
The only hope for this country is for another political party to be formed made up of young untainted blood, people who were disgusted with all the greed and corruption.
But where are these people?, it would take years to rid this country of its tribal political roots and the hand me down family dynasty's that have dominated the Irish political arena for decades.
The only hope for this country is for another political party to be formed made up of young untainted blood, people who were disgusted with all the greed and corruption.
But where are these people?, it would take years to rid this country of its tribal political roots and the hand me down family dynasty's that have dominated the Irish political arena for decades.
Good points silvergreaser and well said.........
Jay ...lashing out irrationally at the current government is pointless and silly .
They are in office less than 9 months -in the middle of a fiscal and economic meltdown in Europe and much of the rest of the world -and you're screaming to get them out . Time to get real.
The appalling wreckage visited on the Irish social and fiscal economy by years of Fianna Fail venality will take a long time to put right and recovery will be slow and painful . This government may prove unsuccessful but it's far too soon to form a judgement
Here are some figures to ponder.
Between 1997 and 2010 Fianna Fail governments did the following ...
Increased the standard Old Age Pension by 120 %
Increased Unemployment Benefit by almost 130 %
Increased Child Benefit by 330 % ( not a misprint -THREE HUNDRED and THIRTY % ).
Increased the Public Service pay and pensions from 5.6 billion to over 20 billion ( around 300 %)
In the same period the cost of living increased by 40 %
Your painless and pleasant solution to this set of irresponsible home grown imbalances will be of great interest to the watching world.
They are in office less than 9 months -in the middle of a fiscal and economic meltdown in Europe and much of the rest of the world -and you're screaming to get them out . Time to get real.
The appalling wreckage visited on the Irish social and fiscal economy by years of Fianna Fail venality will take a long time to put right and recovery will be slow and painful . This government may prove unsuccessful but it's far too soon to form a judgement
Here are some figures to ponder.
Between 1997 and 2010 Fianna Fail governments did the following ...
Increased the standard Old Age Pension by 120 %
Increased Unemployment Benefit by almost 130 %
Increased Child Benefit by 330 % ( not a misprint -THREE HUNDRED and THIRTY % ).
Increased the Public Service pay and pensions from 5.6 billion to over 20 billion ( around 300 %)
In the same period the cost of living increased by 40 %
Your painless and pleasant solution to this set of irresponsible home grown imbalances will be of great interest to the watching world.
EK couldn't run a bath, never mind a country.
Give it 4 years & SF will dominate the left; with a central right party [Ganley] holding sway as opponents.
The centralist parties of the last 100 years will be yesterday's men.
Give it 4 years & SF will dominate the left; with a central right party [Ganley] holding sway as opponents.
The centralist parties of the last 100 years will be yesterday's men.
vubiant can't believe you are for real,these idiots/gangsters sat in opposition all those years they knew everything that was going on but said nothing, thats right nothing,because they were feathering their own nests.
1916 CENTENARY IS CLOSING IN,ANOTHER REBELLION IS ON THE CARDS.
1916 CENTENARY IS CLOSING IN,ANOTHER REBELLION IS ON THE CARDS.
So if they said something -you'd have believed them. Yeah right.
Once the train was sent careering along the tracks by Fianna Fail -nothing could stop short of the inevitable derailment.
Nobody would have switched support to an opposition promising restraint and increased taxes.
Once the train was sent careering along the tracks by Fianna Fail -nothing could stop short of the inevitable derailment.
Nobody would have switched support to an opposition promising restraint and increased taxes.
why are people so against losing sovereignty? The Irish people have shown themselves incapable (Presently at least of financially managing ourselves) You expect the EU & ECB to pump money into our economy with no input on how that economy is run?
I'm sick of listening to the "Lower class 5cum" lecturing on how they'll struggle without child allowance etc.... Same people boozing non stop, puffing ****, sticking needles in any available patch of skin....If they want money WORK FOR IT. Barnardos, National womens council, etc.....
National womens council rep complained in todays Irish times about Endas use of the phrase "Founding fathers" last night......no wonder the country is f**ked
National womens council rep complained in todays Irish times about Endas use of the phrase "Founding fathers" last night......no wonder the country is f**ked
We are a socialist state.
Cant wait to vote for this new EU Treaty to control are public sector. Best thing that has ever happened our country. Now we can finally rip the place apart of the rotten cancer in there.
Cant wait to vote for this new EU Treaty to control are public sector. Best thing that has ever happened our country. Now we can finally rip the place apart of the rotten cancer in there.
Whatever about the troubles FG have inherited there remains one aspect of Irish political life that truly astounds me:
everything is on the table except the elephant who remains in the corner. Croke Park and public sector pay and pensions is sacrosanct-the biggest exchequer spending of all cannot be touched!
When this changes (or more likely is eventually FORCED upon us) I will consider that my children have a future in this country where all are equal.
everything is on the table except the elephant who remains in the corner. Croke Park and public sector pay and pensions is sacrosanct-the biggest exchequer spending of all cannot be touched!
When this changes (or more likely is eventually FORCED upon us) I will consider that my children have a future in this country where all are equal.
20% cut in the ps paybill by 2015 , how much do people want?
yeh blame the public sector for all our countries woes, not all are on huge wages and pensions in fact most public sector workers are poorly paid, down on average €400 a month in pay, most public setor workers couldn't retire on their paltry pensions without finding other work to make up the shortfall and now its even worse.
Some will never be happy until they have all poorly paid public sector workers jobless and destitute.
Some will never be happy until they have all poorly paid public sector workers jobless and destitute.
Yes its the high powered Civil Servants that should have their wages trimmed/slashed, like Kevin lost 3.6 billion Cardiff.....and Keeny and Gilmore want to promote him !!!! .....Sean Sherlock is on something like 125k a yr plus exes+perks.....and he supports cuts on the disabled .....and we take this .......????? we do need a proper new party and my hopes are with our young people our college students ............
Cap public sector pay at 150k, you could argue it's too still too much but the number of college lecturers and senior public servants earning well above this is ridiculous.
This won't lead to a brain drain if a lecturer in UCD or Trinity thinks he can earn more well then it's a free market and go ahead and take your chances.
This won't lead to a brain drain if a lecturer in UCD or Trinity thinks he can earn more well then it's a free market and go ahead and take your chances.
"Rome is the mob. Conjure magic for them and they'll be distracted".
Here are some figures to ponder.
Between 1997 and 2010 Fianna Fail governments did the following ...
Increased the standard Old Age Pension by 120 %
Increased Unemployment Benefit by almost 130 %
Increased Child Benefit by 330 % ( not a misprint -THREE HUNDRED and THIRTY % ).
Increased the Public Service pay and pensions from 5.6 billion to over 20 billion ( around 300 %)
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thats the magic to keep em distracted
Between 1997 and 2010 Fianna Fail governments did the following ...
Increased the standard Old Age Pension by 120 %
Increased Unemployment Benefit by almost 130 %
Increased Child Benefit by 330 % ( not a misprint -THREE HUNDRED and THIRTY % ).
Increased the Public Service pay and pensions from 5.6 billion to over 20 billion ( around 300 %)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
thats the magic to keep em distracted
People have to re-calibrate their sense of equality and what this state can AFFORD to pay its public servants and any other auditable costs (An Bord Snip report has been merely snipped and not implemented).
When you are paid from the public purse you are in a unique position (in these terrible times) of being un-fireable and having a guaranteed retirement pension often payable before "normal" retirement age.
Obviously "fairness" dictates that when I call for Croke Park reassessment I don't mean the lower tiers except in the sense of those dreadful union practices that lead to an avergae of 8% daily sickleave in a midlands hospital-85 people dont turn up for work EVERY DAY.
There is no ENTITLEMENT to be richly rewarded just because you are a public servant in a position of some priviege when a country is broke (and I include higher civil servants, doctors, dentists, prinicapsl, professors, inspectors, lawyers, accountants etc etc-all many of our so-called "elite").
This country fell off the edge of a cliff in autumn 2007-it took 3 years before any politician was honest enough to admit to this stark fact (thanks to the bailout revolver pointed at collective heads) and the current Government's policy is to give the least pain to the most well-off. We dithered for three years and now we face another four draconian budgets at least.
matters in the private sector are also, regularly, a shambles from which we don't have the courage to extricate ourselves:
Today we learn of the obscene salary paid to CEO of our "sugar-factory" PLC after years of poor share performance. He's paid in excess of €2m and takes home €1m+ (possibly more if some nice little tax-efficient scheme is being availed of). The equivalent of winning the Lottery EVERY YEAR thanks to a 9-5! Why shouldn't the State get substantially more than 52% from this business-Goliath or the paltry 12.5% corporation tax rate?
The richest companies in the world pay one euro in eight on their corporate profits here.
Meanwhile our tax exiles spit in our faces and decide the ultimate in self-assessment: we will decide where our money goes, what charities and schools and hospitals will recive our largesse and, oh yes!, maybe we'll even pay for the Irish football manager with tax-haven money.
And Goldman Sachs rules the world...................greedy traders trying to bankrupt countries on short-selling trades. Our richest Irish folk bankrupted millions of Mexicans taking on the peso in the 90's. I'm sure they are wishing for similar disasters on the citizens of Greece at present.
Everyone I speak to seems to know what is or would be "fair" yet nothing is done about it.
When you are paid from the public purse you are in a unique position (in these terrible times) of being un-fireable and having a guaranteed retirement pension often payable before "normal" retirement age.
Obviously "fairness" dictates that when I call for Croke Park reassessment I don't mean the lower tiers except in the sense of those dreadful union practices that lead to an avergae of 8% daily sickleave in a midlands hospital-85 people dont turn up for work EVERY DAY.
There is no ENTITLEMENT to be richly rewarded just because you are a public servant in a position of some priviege when a country is broke (and I include higher civil servants, doctors, dentists, prinicapsl, professors, inspectors, lawyers, accountants etc etc-all many of our so-called "elite").
This country fell off the edge of a cliff in autumn 2007-it took 3 years before any politician was honest enough to admit to this stark fact (thanks to the bailout revolver pointed at collective heads) and the current Government's policy is to give the least pain to the most well-off. We dithered for three years and now we face another four draconian budgets at least.
matters in the private sector are also, regularly, a shambles from which we don't have the courage to extricate ourselves:
Today we learn of the obscene salary paid to CEO of our "sugar-factory" PLC after years of poor share performance. He's paid in excess of €2m and takes home €1m+ (possibly more if some nice little tax-efficient scheme is being availed of). The equivalent of winning the Lottery EVERY YEAR thanks to a 9-5! Why shouldn't the State get substantially more than 52% from this business-Goliath or the paltry 12.5% corporation tax rate?
The richest companies in the world pay one euro in eight on their corporate profits here.
Meanwhile our tax exiles spit in our faces and decide the ultimate in self-assessment: we will decide where our money goes, what charities and schools and hospitals will recive our largesse and, oh yes!, maybe we'll even pay for the Irish football manager with tax-haven money.
And Goldman Sachs rules the world...................greedy traders trying to bankrupt countries on short-selling trades. Our richest Irish folk bankrupted millions of Mexicans taking on the peso in the 90's. I'm sure they are wishing for similar disasters on the citizens of Greece at present.
Everyone I speak to seems to know what is or would be "fair" yet nothing is done about it.
family with two kids they get the following
375 per week Job seekers (for whole family)
215 per week rent allowance
70 per week children's allowance
660 per week in total.
660 x 52 = 34320 per year (take home)
+ medical card. (annual benefit of about 2000 per year to my family)
+ Back to school allowance (200)
Total = 36520 (total income from state)
This is what is not sustainable imo , I'm a ps in my 12th year , and I don't take that home a week , its a joke.
375 per week Job seekers (for whole family)
215 per week rent allowance
70 per week children's allowance
660 per week in total.
660 x 52 = 34320 per year (take home)
+ medical card. (annual benefit of about 2000 per year to my family)
+ Back to school allowance (200)
Total = 36520 (total income from state)
This is what is not sustainable imo , I'm a ps in my 12th year , and I don't take that home a week , its a joke.
Take on the legal profession and the judiciary,they have been robbing the state for years.
The doctor and surgeon have a hard job, do some good and deserve some reward for years spent learning.
Equality officers are a new scourge awarding vast sums to con artists who conjure up situations to be wronged.The latest victims are hotels and pubs in that certain groups approach these premises and demand money or they will sue,a new lucrative sideline.
Another way of saving money would be to stop villains suing the state,every villain when he is in court is able to explain some of his ill gotten gains by way of a claim which leads us back to the legal profession.
The doctor and surgeon have a hard job, do some good and deserve some reward for years spent learning.
Equality officers are a new scourge awarding vast sums to con artists who conjure up situations to be wronged.The latest victims are hotels and pubs in that certain groups approach these premises and demand money or they will sue,a new lucrative sideline.
Another way of saving money would be to stop villains suing the state,every villain when he is in court is able to explain some of his ill gotten gains by way of a claim which leads us back to the legal profession.
So if the 2 parents took jobs on the minimum wage working 40 hours a week they would make 17,992 before tax making the income for the 2 of them 35,984 before tax. I persume they would have to give back their medical card, no rent allowance (obviously). So a family with 2 kids are better off on the dole than in a job paying minimum wage 
And the minimum wage was lowered to 7.65 at one stage so had they left it at that they would make 15,912 before tax each or 31,824 coupled before tax
Do they not realise that if you are better off not working it is not going to get people back to work, surely even for those fookwits that's not hard to understand
Do they not realise that if you are better off not working it is not going to get people back to work, surely even for those fookwits that's not hard to understand
it looks like it is that hard for them premier , the rent allowance is the big extra above , not all would be claiming it
Situations like this are created where all the different departments don't communicate with each other.
Everyone thought 'benchmarking' was great when the country was on the up, at no point was there ever a suggestion that at some point on the descent from the crest of the wave we were on that at some point we might have to implement 'reverse benchmarking'.
Why ?
The big giveaway was just a complete shortcut in order to 'buy' more votes, i for one kept voting ff for as long as the 'giveaway' was continuing, i don't receive any benefits whatsoever but was obviously all for lowering taxes etc at the time. I'm all for upping them now but a bit of forward planning wouldn;t have gone amiss.
Now we're stuck with the biggest hypoctites i have ever seen grace national television, talk about doing a backtrack on what they said for us to vote them into power.
At no point in fg's 5 point plan did they ever say all they were going to do was blame the previous 'administration' !!!
It seems to me that opposed everything ff were doing at the time so that when something did eventually go wrong, they could take the moral highground and come on and address the nation about their decision making prowess.
Close down anglo ? (Closing it down is not changing its name ffs)
No, rename it and call it an asset management agency, the biggest lie of all, they don;t have any assets, they're a liability managing agency in effect. They've continued with the failed strategy of the previous government from what i can see.
Burn the bondholders or the ones you actually can ?
No just pretend to and sweep it under the carpet.
Stop pumping money into the banks or start running them yourselves seeing as you've made the state a majority stakeholder in them ?
No, just quietly admit that you don't have the balls/ability to do so and let them continue to rule the roost as they have done forever.
I could go on forever and i know sweet f.a about politics but can anyone else who does know there stuff point out a situation where they've taken the bull by the horns at all ??? I know they allowed a female pensioner go to jail for objecting to some trees being cut down, they're obviously starting with at the bottom(less serious) end of the pile of people who should be due to serve some time for their crimes against this country.
Everyone thought 'benchmarking' was great when the country was on the up, at no point was there ever a suggestion that at some point on the descent from the crest of the wave we were on that at some point we might have to implement 'reverse benchmarking'.
Why ?
The big giveaway was just a complete shortcut in order to 'buy' more votes, i for one kept voting ff for as long as the 'giveaway' was continuing, i don't receive any benefits whatsoever but was obviously all for lowering taxes etc at the time. I'm all for upping them now but a bit of forward planning wouldn;t have gone amiss.
Now we're stuck with the biggest hypoctites i have ever seen grace national television, talk about doing a backtrack on what they said for us to vote them into power.
At no point in fg's 5 point plan did they ever say all they were going to do was blame the previous 'administration' !!!
It seems to me that opposed everything ff were doing at the time so that when something did eventually go wrong, they could take the moral highground and come on and address the nation about their decision making prowess.
Close down anglo ? (Closing it down is not changing its name ffs)
No, rename it and call it an asset management agency, the biggest lie of all, they don;t have any assets, they're a liability managing agency in effect. They've continued with the failed strategy of the previous government from what i can see.
Burn the bondholders or the ones you actually can ?
No just pretend to and sweep it under the carpet.
Stop pumping money into the banks or start running them yourselves seeing as you've made the state a majority stakeholder in them ?
No, just quietly admit that you don't have the balls/ability to do so and let them continue to rule the roost as they have done forever.
I could go on forever and i know sweet f.a about politics but can anyone else who does know there stuff point out a situation where they've taken the bull by the horns at all ??? I know they allowed a female pensioner go to jail for objecting to some trees being cut down, they're obviously starting with at the bottom(less serious) end of the pile of people who should be due to serve some time for their crimes against this country.
What the people need is a psycho with a rifle.
I'd vote the fooker in.
I'd vote the fooker in.
hey chinga, don't we already have one with a bit of "previous" in Co. Louth?
Royal Academy there is also one in Ciarrai and I dont mean the Healy Raes
Started reading Matt Coopers book last night . Interesting reading so far even if there is probably too much technicality in it for some I suspect . Never paid much attention to southern politics ( enough to try to cope with our own up here ) , but the insights so far fit what little I was aware of .
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