Australia v Ireland in International gaelic football

I think the Aussies will win the series.........The Irish have hit Melbourne in droves....the compromise rules game followed by the Melbourne cup..........a nice boost for all the Irish people who emigrated to Australia........I remember 2003, compromise rules, rugby world cup and makybe diva winning her first melbourne cup......a great holiday.

Differing opinions among the bookies on this. PP has AUs @ 6/5 to win the series.

From what I have read only a handful of the Aussies have more than 50 AFL games to their name.  It's mainly made of unknowns and there is very very little interest among the Aussies in the series.

BETFAIR please open match odds markets for us to play live

It depends on where you read stuff........all bar 4 or 5 have less than 50 games and there is big interest down under.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/125092/default.aspx

Will be a massive increase in the interest after the Rugby imo

wen is it please?

Aussies are the bet imo, don't think that is a great IOrish team by any means, Darren O'Sullivan is a big loss.

The Irish team is not too bad.......The 6 Irish lads who play professional in Oz will be a big help.

friday 0945.do betfair market it up ?

Normal convention in rugby is that home advantage is huge in international test matches. You would think that the same home town advantage would apply in compromise rules. However, its not the case.

As the touring team the irish players will have a lot more time together than they would at home.

Also, heavy October playing conditions in Ireland suits the bigger and stronger Aussie players more.

In Australia the more summer like conditions suits the more nimble of feet and the more accurate scoring irish players.

The special markets and betting in running in these games is where the bookies will make mistakes. Cant see any value in the ante post 80 minute betting.

Cool Cats lead young Aussies By Jennifer Witham Fri 14 Oct, 2011

PREMIERSHIP Cats James Kelly and David Wojcinski will back up from their recent Grand Final success to run out for Australia in the International Rules Series to commence on October 28 in Melbourne against Ireland.

In what is a quick but largely young and inexperienced squad when it comes to the hybrid game, Wojcinski is one of four players who have played the game before, with Brad Green, James Frawley and Stephen Milne the others.

No Collingwood players are in the team with Kelly and Wojcinski are the only players that participated in the October 1 decider to present for the series.

Wojcinski and Frawley made their International Rules debut in Ireland last year during Australia's clean sweep of the series, while Green played in both 2004 and 2010, and Milne back in 2002.

Other squad members Shaun Grigg, Angus Monfries and Andrew Swallow have all played the game at junior level.

As reported by the AFL.com.au on Thursday, new Giant Callan Ward has also been named in the squad with former Western Bulldogs teammate Easton Wood.

They will be reunited with former coach Rodney Eade, who will take control of the side with assistants Andrew McLeod, Wayne Campbell and Brad Johnson (match committee).

Young Gold Coast pair Trent McKenzie and Zac Smith have been named, while Hawthorn's Matt Suckling and Melbourne's Jack Trengove are the next most inexperienced players in the squad.

Forwards Monfries, Robin Nahas, Ben McGlynn, Mark Nicoski and Jake King will join Milne in making life tough for the Irish in defence, and Colin Sylvia, Mitch Robinson, Robbie Gray, Bernie Vince, Liam Shiels and Swallow will make up the midfield group with Richard Douglas and Grigg.

Eade said the squad was suited to the hybrid game with an "emphasis around players with particularly strong kicking skills, pace and the ability to move the ball quickly, as well as being able to defend against the well-skilled Irish side".

"To be successful against Irish sides who have an emphasis on a fast-moving forward line and great ball skills, we need to select players who are both quick across the ground and have good foot skills that can adapt to the round ball very quickly," Eade said.

"We have selected well-performed players in the youth bracket of 20-24 year olds around the competition to provide spark and enthusiasm, combined with a proven track record in AFL footy of their running power.

"We will need to use our pace in attack and then have the ability to use our repeat speed and defend just as hard when Ireland has the ball and is attacking our goals."

The man who has been responsible for Collingwood's fitness program for more than 10 years, sports science director David Buttifant, will be in charge of the team's preparation.

The squad will meet up Sunday week in Melbourne and travel to Torquay together for a training camp ahead of the first Test, to be held at Etihad Stadium on October 28.

The second and deciding Test will be held at Metricon Stadium on the Gold Coast on Friday November 4. 

Both matches will be broadcast nationally by Network Ten and simulcast into Ireland via TG4.

"Even after the end of the AFL season and Geelong's magnificent victory in the Grand Final, footy is never far from the minds and hearts of Victorians," Victorian Premier Ted Baillieu said on Friday.

"The International Rules Series will be a great preview of upcoming football talent and will get a rousing reception from sports-mad Victorians."

Meanwhile, Queensland premier Anna Bligh said the state welcomed the game for the first time.

"It's a real coup for our great state," said Premier Bligh.

"This match event is expected to draw fans from both interstate and overseas, which is great for the Queensland tourism industry as well as local jobs and communities.

"I encourage Queensland AFL fans to head to the Gold Coast to show your support for our Australian team when we take on Ireland in the decider."

THE TEAM
Richard Douglas (Adelaide Crows), 95 games, 0 Tests
James Frawley (Melbourne), 82 games, Two Tests 2010
Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide), 68 games, 0 Tests
Brad Green (Melbourne), 241 games, Four Tests 2004/2010
Shaun Grigg (Richmond), 64 games, 0 Tests
James Kelly (Geelong Cats), 194 games, 0 Tests
Jake King (Richmond), 75 games, 0 Tests
Ben McGlynn (Sydney Swans), 82 games, 0 Tests
Trent McKenzie (Gold Coast Suns), 21 games, 0 Tests
Stephen Milne (St Kilda), 236 games, Two Tests 2002
Angus Monfries (Essendon), 132 games, 0 Tests
Robin Nahas (Richmond), 55 games, 0 Tests
Mark Nicoski (West Coast), 112 games, 0 Tests
Mitch Robinson (Carlton), 49 games, 0 Tests
Liam Shiels (Hawthorn), 42 games, 0 Tests
Zac Smith (Gold Coast Suns), 20 games, 0 Tests
Matthew Suckling (Hawthorn), 29 games, 0 Tests
Andrew Swallow (North Melbourne), 106 games, 0 Tests
Colin Sylvia (Melbourne), 121 games, 0 Tests
Jack Trengove (Melbourne), 37 games, 0 Tests
Bernie Vince (Adelaide Crows), 88 games, 0 Tests
Callan Ward (GWS Giants), 60 games, 0 Tests
David Wojcinski (Geelong Cats), 199 games, One Test
Easton Wood (Western Bulldogs), 28 games, 0 Tests.

The bottom line is that this hybrid game is a hell of a lot closer to gaelic football than it is to Aussie rules. I just can't see how these lads will leave it behind this time. I would tend to agree there is no real home advantage i am sure the loudest in the ground will be the Irish. To me this is a banker bet i'm seriously considering have a good cut on us to win.

I wouldn't bet on it with stolen money out of principle, can't stand this gimmick.
Its astonishing that this crap would pack out Croke Park when big gaelic championship games on average barely populate one third of the ground.

All the voyeuristic hypocrites attend the series not to see the game but the chance of seeing a good old mill up, if there was a similar mill up in a GAA championship game they'd be all holier than thou in their condemnation of such disgraceful carry on.

When its telivised and I accidently run into it while browsing my sky box I'll swiftly move to the next channel, I wouldn't even watch it out of principle and I love my GAA, this excuse for thuggery should have been consigned to History years ago, but the GAA refuse let go because for some strange reason its a fantastic money spinner, money talks!.

Money talks, greaser walks !

TnaG 9.45 FRIDAY MORNING

I went to a game in Pearse Stadium Galway and I have to say everyone there enjoyed it.  GAA is the Championship, thats all! The general public dont give a rats ass about the league, and judging by some teams results in recent years, they dont either.

Australia to win it well I'd say. One of the young Australians Trent McKenzie has the best left foot you will see in probably any sport and they have picked some very athletic players. Ireland fairly ordinary compared to previous years.

Any bookies who allow more than a few euro on this?
I can only find PaddyP0wer, B0ylesports, Ladbr0kes and bet356 and I'm restricted with them all.

Best price you seen Toto?

Australia v Ireland in International gaelic football - First of all it is not gaelic football, the rules are an absolute farce.

I'm no fan of it ever since the thuggery in 2006. It was horrendus, we were beat around the place in our own backyard.

I think it should be scrapped, yes it's a great honour for a player to represent their country but where is it going? Maybe the new idea of having the series on every second year might give it more value and recognition.

The Aussies will up the tempo in the tackle and bend the rules when they are losing.

If the nonsense and all bad things are put to bed, I can see a comprehensive Irish victory.

Best of luck to the lads, and best of luck to all lads (who were picked to travel but) that are staying at home because of club committments.

Flip a coin

Ireland are favs for series yet Aussies are favs for game 1.  As JWB says - coinflip!

went to see it in croker last year, it was ****.

Lets be honest. What spectators want to see in these games is a good ice hockey style tear up.

My early post that the away team has an advantage in these games was confirmed when i saw the records down the years in the paper today. Stevie Mc Donnell stated its an advantage to be the touring team as the players spend more time together. Thats true but i think the main reason has all to do with the weather conditions.

October weather conditions when played in Ireland will naturally suit the bigger and moe physical aussie team. If Ireland hosted the aussies in the summer months i think past results would be a lot different.

Anyone up for a bit of middling on the total points?

Recent totals:
2010 1st Test: 87pts
2010 2nd Test: 107pts
2008 1st Test: 89pts
2008 2nd Test: 110pts
2006 1st Test: 88pts
2006 2nd Test: 100pts

So first test has had an average of 88pts for the last 3 series.

Paddy has the line set at 89.5pts, while Bet365 go 88.5pts and Ladbrokes 94.5pts.

So for an interest:
€120 over 88.5
€120 under 94.5

Yes, getting on at 5/6 gives ya 11/1 for whatever stakes ya want on total scores being between 88.5 and 94.5. Great bet.

I make it 10/1, but yeah it could be nice. Sure it will keep me watching anyway.

Also might be worth having a look at Top Ireland Scorer with Spoils who's prices are way off Powers:
Patrick Kelly @20/1 (only 10/1 with PP)
Eamon Callaghan @33/1 (only 12/1 with PP)

Long-shots admittedly but Powers go 9/2 the field so it is fairly open.

yeah 10/1. Definately a good bet as the range of total scores on past form seems to be fairly consistently between mid 80's and 110. Thats a 25 point range and your getting 6 points to play with at 10/1 in the very middle of that range.

Hope your on already kiddo as since we started chatting those mean people at laddies have suspended their market on total scores before bringing it into over or under 90 points.

big difference of opinion between b oyles and laddies on the half time result. Ireland evens with laddies but 4/7 with b oyles. If you fancy ireland i would be taking the evens at half time over the odds on for 80 minutes.

How many of the Irish players will cry like babies this time about the big bad Aussies hitting them too hard?

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won't work for me

19 - 1 Ireland lead with 3 mins to go in first quarter. Murphy just after scoring the games first goal.

Possession and scoring chances fairly even. You just dont fancy an aussie playing scoring from 20 yards out.

22 - 4 end of 1st quarter. Some very good scores from Ireland. Conditions really suiting Ireland. Definately a top of the ground team. Aussies would prefer heavy going or at least the other side of soft ground.

Paul Galvin one of the half time analysts. Wearing a pair of skinny maroon red jeans.

Second goal for ireland. They lead 35 - 5 half way through second period. Its a rout.

Nothing so far to suggest backing aussies on the cap is a good idea unless you dont like money. Except surely they must come stronger into the match the longer it goes on.

Gonna need a minor miracle to get the middles up at this stage. Aussies starting to get to grips a bit more by the looks of it

66pts after 2 quarters!! Any chance the ref will only play 3 quarters by mistake??

backed ireland to win at half time and score the first goal.Debating if its the time to reinvest some profits on Aussies on the cap.

with hindight the bookies were setting their points total on an average of past games. But many of those games were played in terrible conditions. Conditions today could not be more ideal for scoring.

B356 were going +/- 23.5pts there on the handicap. PP +/- 30.5pts.

We have another middle going.........

B356 26.5 now

Yeah I did think of the conditions when looking at total points, tbh assumed the bookies (esp PP) would have considered it as well.

WD so far paddletoe, think Aussies were definitely a play on the 23.5 h'cap.

IS GALVIN HALF ELF? ONE STRAIGHT EAR ONE ELF LIKE ONE

Sorry Ireland -23.5. Too early!!

30.5 looks very big. Just a question if aussies can score better with the liklihood of more possession this half.

PP cut to 27.5 now

gonna wait to back the caps during this quarter. always better to back in game time in these markets.

could not hold off any longer. backed aussies plus 32

Is this time added on?? Clock still running....good for unders??

here we go....

Betting aside, hope he is ok. Looked nasty

Switched my aussie cap bet for small loss.Got one point in the middlers for the scoop. Just cant see them scoring enough even with dominant possession.

My h'cap middler now 23.5  32, with 30 being jackpot.
Total points middler 110.5  117.5

There is still a pointe middler there, 110.5  115.5

31 pt win for ireland is a scoop for me. middling bet by accident. Just wanted to get close my aussie bet and ended up with a small loss and a one point middle.

You were right to close out. Looks like no joy for me today.

WD RF if you lumped on Ireland

Oi, Oi, 116 pts!! Boom!! Made all the effort worth while

Surely the Aussies have better players than these .  Very few of them strike me as footballers .

Or maybe we just have our best selection out there . Apart from a bit of messing at the back we were way better and in complete control .

Aussie's badly missing the really good full forward from the last few series. He was always their go to man.

Just could not see where the scores were coming from this aussie team.

Good stuff Kido. You got there in the end.

Got some sheckels down, i have to say it's a bit of a joke as sport goes lol.

Cheers paddletoe.

Think will wait until inplay next week, very open game and so possible points variance is too high.

jesus got that very wrong, I'll look closer in future before expressing an oppinion, well done our lads, Aussies so bad it seems it might put the future of the thing in jeopardy, I'd love to see a few of our boys kick the oval ball, maybe alternate years, might add a bit of spice.

Tadhg Kennelly had some game...he is a gifted talent and has some engine on him. If Kerry get him back again they will take stopping...FACT

The 3 big Kerry lads , Kennelly , Donaghy and Walsh were all excellent . If they had all been playing this year for Kerry I am afraid the Dubs would not have a medal in their pockets .

Not sure if the Aussies were up for it , no **** at all in their play .

Must be a restricted word , ji** , as in jazz .  ????

Tadhg embarressed his jersey with his tackle in the first minute of the all ireland a couple of years ago. Premeditated. A real tramp.

Donaghy was playing for Kerry this year. How could kenneley and Walsh have played for Kerry when they play a different sport. Meaningless statement. Might as well say Cork would be a better team if Roy Keane played gaelic instead of soccer.

Agree whiteflag .  Guess where he learned that ?  Well known tactic down under .

Thought you had ameliorated , Paddletoe .  But obviously not .

Kelly you have a bias towards Kerry. Saying they would have won this years all ireland if they had two players who dont even play gaelic football. I am sure Dublin would also have a better team if Brian O' Driscoll and some of the Leinster rugby lads had taken up gaelic fottball.

One thing saying a team missed an injured player but how can you even mention players who play a different sport.

Paddletoe, I presume you know the history of Kennelly and Walsh .  Both already have All Ireland medals in Kerry shirts . A 20 hour plane trip and agreement from their team mates is all they ever will need to pull on the jersey again if they are fit and willing . Pretty obvious that to most sensible people . Mentioning Keano and BOD is fatuous .

Next to my own county I would be a Kerry supporter , because in my lifetime they have consistently played the best football of any county in Ireland , and I always praise and buy quality . Plus I have holidayed in Kerry every year since 1970 when I discovered it first . Lots of friend and contacts ( including GAA circles ) there .

Nothing against the Dubs winning this year , glad to see them getting reward for a lot of effort recently .  Good team , but just an observation that Walsh and Kennelly would have put Kerry in the winners enclosure this year , ensuring a degree of all time status -- getting them near Jacko and co .

i think those two players are more than a plane trip away from being able to play for Kerry. You say they would only need agreement from their team mates, suggesting they could just waltz over for any big game. I assume you think they would not be coming over to sit on a bench so would figure to start. Your very naive if you think their team mates would be agreeable to this and have two players who trained and played all year drop to the subs bench. You seem to think this would not only be possible but likely.

Paddletoe , you are expert at trying to misconstrue fairly simple ideas and put words into peoples mouths . In simple terms , if either or both wanted to play for Kerry at whatever stage  they could , there is no rule says they cannot . It is only a question of acceptability by team mates and management that would bring about such a scenario .

I know one lady who flies back and forward  to Australia( first class , but she does represent a large pharmaceutical company ) at least once a month , so its not an unknown activity . Its no longer a 3 week boat journey as faced by the cricketing  Aussies in the forties sailing out of Freemantle to Southampton . Depends on budgets of course . Only need to travel once though unless seasons overlap . Where there is a will there is a way .

When I was involved with county football , one year the uni students opted out of National league , by agreement .  However without them the team struggled and faced relegation .  The players concerned were asked ( by the manager ) to recommence playing , but they were shrewder than the manager ( they always were ) , they insisted on a 100% (visible) vote from their team mates to return , which was agreed , they returned and they won all their remaining matches . Players aint stupid . And  a medal gained from sitting as a sub is better than a runners up medal . Plus people get injured .

Its not going to happen them returning , too much going for them away from these shores . Talking to a GAA contact locally last night , two of our traditionally strong clubs have EACH got 6 players away in Australia , either working or looking for work , they have had to amalgamate with a neighbouring club to field teams in certain categories . In one GAA team in USA the vast percentage of the players in one team I have heard about there come from the same village/ townland in Kerry .  Donegal is probably the hardest hit by emigration , must be fantastic work going on there to field seriously competitive senior team ( even if we dont enjoy their style of football ). More power to those keeping the ship afloat , but it must be hard work .

With respect Kelly i enjoy reading your thoughts but its always good to have different points of view to give balance.
With respect to your original post i thought it very unfair that you stated Dublin won this years all ireland because Kerry were missing two players who both chose to go to australia and neither of them had played many games for Kerry previously.

The idea that these two players would possibly swan back and forward for individual mataches and play both sports is not going to happen. Yes, all it would take would be acceptance by the kerry players but it would be too disruptive to team morale for it to be even considered. Kennely was welcomed and right so because he committed to Kerry for a full season. His circumstances are also different to Walsh.

Tyrone welcomed back Stephen O'Neill for the final but the circumstances there were completely different. I think it would also be completely differnt if Down got to an all ireland semi final in the next few years and it was possible for Marty Clarke to return for a month. I have no doubt the players would initiate contact and try to encourage him back. Counties who dont get to semi finals and finals too often would be more inclined to welcome back players if that player was likely to have a big impact on their winning chances.

Paddletoe , my post just expressed "doubts" about how Dublin would have fared against a Kerry line up which included Walsh and Kennelly . I have no doubt that the betting would have been 1.4 instead of 1.7 Kerry before the match as both of these players have performed very well any time they wore the green and gold . Both from families steeped in skill and tradition , football wise . Odds dont always turn into facts  , we all know that . As Damon Runyon said "the race is not always to the swift and brave , but thats the way to bet ".

Not going to happen I suspect given some of the hard economic  facts which confront all the people on this island . The O'Neill saga I believe was a one off , but I am not as conversant with the "personalities " involved as you are , although I do have grapevine reportage occasionally  , but not interested enough to tune in normally . One person I know manages a high profile team in Tyrone , and he does not charge them he tells me .  No reason to doubt him , but the guy(s) managing most of the teams nowadays are generally not just in it for the love of the game . My club has had several fairly high profile managers in last 25 years or so since I managed them way back in the eighties ( never got or sought a penny ) , gone from Division 1 to Division 3 despite being probably one of the biggest ( in membership anyway ) in Ulster .

Size isn't everything albeit in the eighties we had 5 players who between them have  10 All-Ireland  senior medals to their credit . The coaching then such as it was  though was essentially one on one , personal development it might be termed , but the schools and the universities were doing a brilliant job , we just polished any  diamonds . And picked the rest of the  team , and listened to the players . They were far better players than we were managers  , might always have been thus with a few notable exceptions .

Round 2 tomorrow morning.

All the talk seems to be of the series dying a death. I read that there might only be 10,000 at tomorrow's match.

Bookies seem to expect it to be a tighter affair this time around. Powers have the line set at +/-16.5pts. Also historically the 2nd Test has been higher scoring, and yet despite 116pts in the 1st Test, the line this week is +/-98.5pts. Weather looks good, so not sure why the points expectation is so much lower. Is it conceivable that Ireland take the foot off the gas??

Aussies not terribly interested from what we glean . Not up their normal physical presence as far as I could see .  Our lads also played very well , think the coaching this time was good and it showed .

Dont think there will be much value , result pretty well already determined .

No posts since yesterday says it all .  Fizzled out , not sure it will happen again .

I like the Aussies and their country , but they mainly like winning . Nothing wrong with wanting to win , but when they stop trying like they did in this series , you wonder where the series will go .  Not hopeful , sad because it is a good game .

Our lads were very good , no short-a**es , kept it simple , well coached .  Congrats to those involved on our side .

Kelly it's not a good game, if it was a good game they'd be more of interest in it. Even when Aussies were winning the last few series the crowds were dropping especially over there not sure why but the compromised rules. People want to see one thing a dust up or sorry should i say multiple dust up !

We will beg to differ on whether or not its a good game  , Rocketfingers as I do not know what constitutes a good game in your book . Other than the stop / start nature of the catch aspect of the game there are a lot of skills in the game , even saw more of the soccer approach this time .