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Senator to announce new bid after signs of Fianna Fail support

By JEROME REILLY EXCLUSIVE
Sunday September 11 2011

SENATOR David Norris is about to make a sensational declaration to re-enter the race for the presidency, the Sunday Independent can reveal.

Mr Norris reconsidered his decision to withdraw after a consistent outpouring of public support, the urgings by independent TDs and senators and now the dramatic confirmation that some FF Oireachtas members will support his bid for a nomination.

Mr Norris, who returned to Ireland yesterday, will tonight hold a meeting with his advisers, some time after which the announcement is expected, possibly on Friday, when he appears on 'The Late, Late Show'.

As the political choreography of his re-entry was being finalised, a compelling argument emerged in the form of the Fianna Fail support for his candidature.

A senior Fianna Fail figure told the Sunday Independent last night that from a political point of view it would be advantageous to the party.

"We haven't got our own candidate and given the level of public support for Norris I think it would play well to nominate him," he said.

"I think the party leadership would turn a blind eye if some TDs or senators signed his papers.

"It would probably be up to the senators. They know him. He is a colleague," he added.

Fianna Fail TDs and senators are clearly taking a signal from a statement last month by party leader Micheal Martin, who said he believed that potential candidates for the presidency with substantial public support should not be prevented from standing because of the very restrictive nomination process".

A number of left-wing and independent members of the Oireachtas have also signalled their willingness to support his nomination.

A Sunday Independent/ Quantum Research telephone poll shows that 39 per cent want Mr Norris on the ballot paper and 40 per cent would vote for him in the election on October 27. Last week, more than 7,000 people signed an online petition supporting his nomination, with 2,000 more adding their names to a paper petition which was organised in Dublin and Cork in the last two days. Voters formed queues to express support.

Independent deputies Luke 'Ming' Flanagan and Maureen O'Sullivan, as well as two Socialist Party TDs, Joe Higgins, and Clare Daly, will still back the nomination of the Trinity scholar, they told the Sunday Independent this weekend.

Last night, influential Socialist Party TD Joe Higgins said Mr Norris should re-enter the race, adding, "it is up to the Irish people to make the decision, not the media, bloggers etc."

People Before Profit deputy Richard Boyd Barrett also confirmed yesterday that he would support the nomination -- "in the absence of any credible left wing candidate emerging, which now appears very unlikely".

Mr Boyd Barrett declared: "The attack on him has been outrageous and he is certainly the best of the current candidates."

The other People Before Profit Dail deputy, Joan Collins of Dublin South Central, was also expected to endorse his candidacy if asked, while Senator John Crown said that he would definitely support a nomination.

Ms O'Sullivan is also solidly behind his candidature.

"My position did not change. I continued to support his nomination until he withdrew. In my view, it is up to the electorate to decide. I did not stop supporting him. If he came back into the race I would support him. I may be totally wrong but I remain doubtful about whether he will re-enter. I have received hundreds of emails expressing support for him," she said.

A senior Fianna Fail source said: "The public want him on the ballot paper and it would mean that Labour and Fine Gael would not get a clean run of it."

If Fianna Fail members of the Seanad had supported Mr Norris in August, he would have had the requisite numbers by now.

Mr Norris has until September 28 to secure the 20 signatures required under the Presidential Elections Act 1993.

He also has to raise finance. Monies collected for his presidential campaign were returned immediately after he decided on August 2 to abandon his bid.

The need to quickly build a fighting fund to contest a national election means that those closest to Mr Norris are moving toward making an announcement soon rather than waiting until nearer the closing date for nominations.

Left-wing deputies who form the United Left Alliance grouping meet on Tuesday.

Mr Boyd Barrett said he thought it likely that the Socialist Party as well as his party, People Before Profit, would also support Mr Norris.

That was confirmed by Ms Daly, who said: "We would not exactly be on the same wavelength as Senator Norris on a huge range of issues but we believe fervently he has the right to stand."

Mr Crown said: "Senator Norris still has my support. The big difficulty is for him to get the 20 nominations. Personally I fear it is unlikely but I believe the people should decide. My position is that I am not part of his campaign.

"I told him all along that I thought he deserved to be on the ballot paper because of his strengths, because of his popular support and because of the attempts by the political parties to thwart his nomination."

Mr Norris has lost the support of some key independents who originally backed him. Both independent TDs Finian McGrath and Catherine Murphy confirmed they would no longer support his nomination.

But Mr McGrath acknowledged some of his independent colleagues still supported Mr Norris and would like to see him re-enter the race.

He said his gut feeling was that Mr Norris would find it very difficult to get the support of the 20 Oireachtas members he needs to secure a nomination.

According to a Sunday Independent/Quantum Res-earch telephone poll, 39 per cent believed Mr Norris should be on the presidential ballot paper and 40 per cent would vote for him in the election.

In the last Sunday Independent poll, 38 per cent said they would support his re-entry. The consistence of his support is remarkable and suggests that if he was to re-enter the race he would win.

One Fianna Fail TD said: "If David Norris had remained in the race and if he had maintained the support of the independents, I would believe there would have been four or five who would have been prepared to facilitate him in a general way to enter the race.

"That would have found acceptance. Some would have rejected it, including some who would have problems on the Civil Partnership Bill.

"I also think some of the Labour Party would also have supported his nomination purely because they would not like to have been seen as blocking him."

- JEROME REILLY EXCLUSIVE
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Report Anaglogs Daughter September 15, 2011 10:36 AM BST
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Report GANT007 September 15, 2011 1:34 PM BST
Roddy Collins gave his vote to David Norris on the Vincent Browne show last night and delighted he put his name back on the ballot paper.
Report neill d September 15, 2011 2:54 PM BST
I think they give ya a free Parker Pen if ya enquire about running.
Report Newmanix September 15, 2011 4:44 PM BST
i wish dustin was running this year as this race is becoming a farce, joke and embarisment to all irish people. martin maguinness, gaybo, gayboy, dana, michael d, whos next? joe duffy? ryan tubridy? healy rae? bertie?
Report workrider September 15, 2011 4:46 PM BST
Laugh
Report Vubiant September 15, 2011 8:09 PM BST
Neal Horan would be a shoe inn shoorly.
Report workrider September 15, 2011 8:46 PM BST
lets all pray gaybo has a rethink as well....Laugh
Report neill d September 15, 2011 9:30 PM BST
I may spoil my vote by writing Istabraq on it.
Report workrider September 15, 2011 9:33 PM BST
Laugh...
Report RoyalAcademy September 15, 2011 9:48 PM BST
A very good cure for homophobia is to have your only son tell you: "Dad, I'm gay".
Report workrider September 15, 2011 9:54 PM BST
if thats the case royal ...i hope you gave him a hug and told him you loved him...some great gay people out there ..its the ones like norris with the child " its greek classical after all that worry me "....
Report neill d September 15, 2011 10:05 PM BST
I'm not homophobic, no problem ith Norris myself, whole affair was unfortunate, he acted foolishly, but this whole affair is a joke, the general calibre of candidate is brutal.
Report Anaglogs Daughter September 16, 2011 4:05 PM BST
Sinn Fein sources have confirmed that Martin McGuinness will run for presidency.
Report donal September 16, 2011 5:38 PM BST
Isn't it ironic that most of his supporters are female, when he has no interest in them!

Can't stand him, certainly not getting my vote!
Report Anaglogs Daughter September 16, 2011 5:42 PM BST
Donal i somehow or other don't think he will be president. I'll lay you 2/1 . .tho i'm sure you'll get bigger odds somewhere else Happy
Report Anaglogs Daughter September 16, 2011 5:51 PM BST
Tho come to think of it maybe he could be a bit of a dark horse. He's going to get the most powerful backing of all the canidates even tho those powerful people dont live in Eire. He'll get the backing of President Obama, David Cameron, The Reverend Ian. The Pope, they all have to endorse him now and say it's great for the people of Ireland and the peace process that they now have the chance to put a sinn finner who would never even be allowed to speak on tv 10 years ago in the seat of the presidency blah blah blah.
Report timberman September 16, 2011 6:13 PM BST
Mcguiness has had more dealings with foreign primeminsters, presidents etc than the rest of the field put together...he was the main man getting the provos to the peace talks...we cant live in past forever..de valera was an ex ra man too..mcguiness as good as any of them for me....
Report Anaglogs Daughter September 26, 2011 11:34 AM BST
A number of local authorities are meeting today to consider the bids of Senator David Norris and Dana Rosemary Scallon to become Presidential candidates.

This morning, Laois County Council nominated Senator Norris by a margin of seven votes to four.
This afternoon, a special meeting of Carlow County Council is taking place.
The meeting, which starts at 1pm will first discuss a proposal for councillors to nominate Senator Norris.
It is expected there will be a roll-call vote at the end of the discussion.
Depending on that vote, the second item, the question of whether to nominate Dana Rosemary Scallon or not, will then be discussed and voted upon.
This evening, a special meeting of South Dublin County Council will be held to decide whether to nominate Senator Norris.
The meeting begins at 5.15pm and the motion to nominate Senator Norris is the only item on the agenda.
Earlier, Independent TD Mattie McGrath said he personally wanted to facilitate Senator Norris' Presidential nomination, but he listened to what his supporters had to say.
Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Deputy McGrath said the decision came after a 'core group' of his supporters voted by three to one against him signing Senator Norris' papers.
Both Ms Scallon and Senator Norris need to secure the backing of four local authorities to make it onto the ballot paper.
Around 12 county councils are to meet in the next few days to decide who they will be supporting
Report dlarssonf September 26, 2011 11:52 AM BST
triumphoragony     11 Sep 11 18:40 
what he said about the handicapped


what did he say about the handicapped?
Report workrider September 26, 2011 12:41 PM BST
would you trust your 14/15 son with this man considering his ..classical greek statement.....more worried about his pal been jailed than what was done to the 15 yo lad....a disgusting old fart of the highest order imo....
Report Newmanix September 26, 2011 12:59 PM BST
Michael D will be president(5/4).  Not Norris, nor mcguinness. mi5 are drip feeding info on mcguinness to the media and there is a lot more to come out im told.
Report Anaglogs Daughter September 26, 2011 1:31 PM BST
A number of local authorities are meeting today to consider the bids of Senator David Norris and Dana Rosemary Scallon to become Presidential candidates.
So far, Laois County Council has backed Senator Norris, while Carlow County Council has nominated Ms Scallon
Report Anaglogs Daughter September 26, 2011 4:07 PM BST
RTE
So far, Laois County Council has backed Senator Norris, while Carlow County Council and Roscommon County Council have nominated Ms Scallon.

Senator Norris and Ms Scallon each have the backing of two county councils.

Ms Scallon won the Carlow vote by seven to zero with the rest abstaining.

The Fine Gael Chair of Carlow County Council, Thomas Kinsella, used his casting vote against Senator Norris on a motion to support him after a vote was tied five to five.
Mr Kinsella said afterwards that he felt Mr Norris still has questions to answer about a number of issues.
This morning, Laois County Council nominated Senator Norris by a margin of seven votes to four.
"I am delighted to announce that my home county of Laois has just agreed to nominate me for the Presidential race," Senator Norris said on Twitter.
Six Fianna Fáil councillors and one Independent voted in favour of him. Four councillors, including two Fianna Fáil and one Sinn Féin, voted against him.
All members of Fine Gael on the council abstained on the vote after a meeting with Senator Norris and Fine Gael TD Charlie Flanagan.
Leaving the meeting, Senator Norris said he was delighted to have got the support of people in a county where he had several connections.
He indicated he would not be publishing any further letters of representation he had sent in the case of Ezra Nawi because they were all shorter versions of the original letter he had published in full.
This afternoon, Ms Scallon is expected to address a scheduled meeting of Roscommon County Council.
It is expected the former MEP will receive the backing of the council.
The Independent Councillor who had proposed nominating Mr Norris has withdrawn his proposal.
Councillor John Murphy made the announcement as the County Council prepared to meet.
Councillor Murphy said he had made the decision because it appeared unlikely that the proposal would be supported by a sufficient number of councillors.
Ms Scallon has been proposed by a Fianna Fáil councillor. This proposal will go ahead.
There are 26 members of the council in Roscommon and ten Fine Gael members are likely to abstain from the vote.
This evening, a special meeting of South Dublin County Council will be held to decide whether to nominate Senator Norris.
The meeting begins at 5.15pm and the motion to nominate Senator Norris is the only item on the agenda.
Both Ms Scallon and Senator Norris need to secure the backing of four local authorities to make it onto the ballot paper.
Meanwhile, Limerick County Council has formally backed the nomination of Independent candidate Mary Davis
Report donal September 26, 2011 4:51 PM BST
I plan to emigrate from this stupid island if that fat funt of a David Norris becomes president!!!
Report workrider September 26, 2011 6:30 PM BST
according to the times yesterday ..norris has more revealing letters hidden way...and is refusing to let anyone see them ..saying they are shorter versions of the original ...others think they are more sinister....
Report guinness2dear September 26, 2011 6:56 PM BST
3 of them are from Weight Watchers..
Report workrider September 26, 2011 6:57 PM BST
Laugh you're on form tonight guinness....
Report guinness2dear September 26, 2011 7:03 PM BST
Hows it going workrider ? don't come on here much now..
Report workrider September 26, 2011 7:06 PM BST
i noticed that guinness ..mores the pity...having a horrid run at the minute tbh...cant seem to study form , or take the time to go racing , so am rightly paying the penalty....how are you keeping ...?
Report guinness2dear September 26, 2011 7:10 PM BST
Proper Racing soon enough to get stuck into. The older i get, the more the Flat bunnies bore me, so tend not to get too involved in the Summer months..

I'm not too bad thanks, yerself ?
Report workrider September 26, 2011 7:20 PM BST
in great form thank god just back from a family holiday in spain.off to london on thurs for the rovers v spurs game ... then off to fontwell on  fri for some good old n.h.racing...yeah lifes real good atm  thanks ...
Report guinness2dear September 26, 2011 7:23 PM BST
Always liked Fonters, some top lads used to go there (some were Books Shocked)

Lets hope Spuds give them a warm welcome, should be a great night.

Speak soon, keep safe..
Report workrider September 26, 2011 7:30 PM BST
take care , talk soon...
Report Newmanix September 26, 2011 8:44 PM BST
MICHAEL D ALL THE WAY.  LOVELY MAN WITH A LOVELY SON AND DAUGHTER!!!  KNOW THEM ALL!!!  SOUND AND **** FREE
Report yourlack September 26, 2011 8:46 PM BST
Aras an leprechaun!
Report waysidewill September 26, 2011 8:48 PM BST
Michael DPlain what happens if a President becomes senile during his term of office.
Report Newmanix September 26, 2011 9:00 PM BST
dont listen to the spin the that the fine galers have put on him..... sad spin from the losers.
Report Anaglogs Daughter September 26, 2011 9:16 PM BST
Pressure on Norris to release seven clemency letters as Mattie McGrath says no
Senator dealt big blow as McGrath refuses support


Monday September 26 2011

SENATOR David Norris will come under huge pressure to reveal the contents of seven letters he wrote seeking clemency for his former lover if he is confirmed as an official presidential candidate this week.

Rival camps last night said they still expected Mr Norris to be on the ballot paper for the October 27 election but that a major question mark had arisen over his campaign as a result of his refusal to release the controversial letters.

Mr Norris's opponents warned they would press the issue if, as expected, the Trinity senator got a nomination.

His hopes of getting the 20 Oireachtas signatures he needs to secure his place on the ballot paper suffered a major blow last night when Tipperary South TD Mattie McGrath decided not to nominate him after consulting his local supporters.

Three-quarters of Mr McGrath's election workers voted no in a secret ballot.

Independent deputies Noel Grealish and Michael Lowry, who could support Mr Norris, did not return calls last night, although they are not expected to back him.

However, it is expected the senator will secure the support of four county councils before Wednesday's noon deadline.

But the emergence of seven fresh letters is expected to lead to councillors asking questions of Mr Norris if he appears before them.

The letters were sent to senior Irish and Israeli politicians -- including then-Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and president Ezer Weisman -- after Ezra Nawi was charged with the statutory rape of a 15-year-old boy in 1997.

Last night, the Norris camp said the seven letters were "practically the same" as that which he wrote on headed Seanad Eireann notepaper to members of the Israeli judiciary about the case.

Controversy over the letter forced Mr Norris's original withdrawal from the presidential race in August. However, Mr Norris has refused to release the seven letters. His spokesman last night denied the letter made public on the issue was the "softest" he wrote, amid suggestions the other seven letters contained more controversial views on underage sex.

Labour sources said they would make an issue of the letters.

Opinion polls show Mr Norris leading the field on 21pc, followed closely by Labour's Michael D Higgins on 18pc, and a party strategist warned they would call on Mr Norris to release all the letters he wrote.

"All the information that is there must be put into the public domain," the source said.

Mr Norris was at his home in North Great George's St, Dublin, yesterday but declined to answer questions.

A spokesman for Mr Norris said the additional seven letters would not be released.

Charlie Flanagan, director of elections for Fine Gael's Gay Mitchell, said nothing had changed since Mr Norris pulled out of the race after the first letter became public.

A spokesman for Independent candidate Sean Gallagher said it was up to Mr Norris to decide whether or not to release the letters, "against the backdrop that he is running for office".

Meanwhile, Fine Gael sources said they would be continuing to focus on Sinn Fein's Martin McGuinness.

"We'll be focusing on McGuinness first and then highlighting Mary Davis, who's avoided major scrutiny so far," one of those in the Mitchell camp said, adding they wanted to focus on the number of state boards Ms Davis sits on, calling her the "quango queen".

This charge was rejected by a spokeswoman for Ms Davis.

- Fiach Kelly Political Correspondent irishindependent.ie
Report workrider September 26, 2011 10:20 PM BST
it wold be interesting to know how many of his campaigners share his ..classical greek child sex opinions...?
Report Anaglogs Daughter September 27, 2011 10:53 AM BST
DANA 3-2 NORRIS

Dana edged ahead of David Norris in the battle for a Presidential nomination today.

Donegal County Council voted to back the Derry-born singer in her bid for the Aras.

Senator David Norris currently has the backing of two Councils and needs two more to secure his place on the ballot paper.

With tomorrow’s guillotine for Presidential nominations fast approaching, every meeting is now crucial in the next 24-hours as ten Councils congregate to see if they will back one or other of them.

Nomination votes due today include:

Cork City Council – 11am

Waterford City Council – 1pm

Offaly County Council – 2pm

Westmeath County Council – 2pm

Longford County Council – 4pm

Dublin City Council – 6.45pm

Cavan County Council – 7pm

Dana is expected to receive the nomination in Offaly, Westmeath, Longford and Cavan while Senator Norris is tipped to win Waterford, Cork and Dublin.

Senator Norris's attempts to get on the Presidential trail appear to be running into a major barrier as Fine Gael block his attempts to enter the race.

In South County Dublin six FG representative opposed the Senator's bid to enter the race yesterday and their Dublin city colleagues are gathering today ahead of the scheduled City Council meeting with a number set to go against his candidacy.

His fate will become clearer today after Cork County Council meets in special session to decide if it will support him.

The maths however may be against him as the Council is made up of 21 Fine Gael members, 11 Fianna Fáil, seven Labour, seven Independents and one Sinn Féin representative.

The meeting was convened after independent councillor David Boyle said he had pushed for it to facilitate the democratic process. He felt that the Irish voters should have their say on Senator Norris's candidacy.

The Council has already nominated Sean Gallagher and the nomination papers have been lodged with the Department of the Environment.

Dana looks like getting sufficient green lights to propel her forward into the race.

The final Councils meet tomorrow and could offer a lifeline to either candidate. Kildare meet at 8.30am and Kilkenny meet at 8.30am. Nominations close at noon.

- Independent.ie reporters
Report Anaglogs Daughter September 27, 2011 10:58 AM BST
EACH of the nominees for the Presidency will be interviewed on 'The Late Late Show' on Friday, but not Senator David Norris.

The Irish Independent has learned that the contenders will be given a one-to-one interview with host Ryan Tubridy.

However, Senator Norris, who was interviewed in a 20-minute slot on the show two weeks ago, will only feature in a live confrontation between the candidates later in the evening.

"Even though Senator Norris spent most of his previous interview on the 'Late Late Show' defending himself rather than outlining his vision for the presidency, his appearance is a point of contention with some of the other candidates. So in the interests of fairness, we have come up with this solution," an RTE source told the Irish Independent last night.

The gesture means that the vast bulk of the 'Late Late Show' this Friday will be devoted to the presidential nominees, whether there are five or seven in the studio.

However, the first 20 minutes of the programme will feature Jedward, both performing and being interviewed by Ryan Tubridy.

RTE bosses will be hoping the presence of the 'X Factor' finalists and the presidential nominees will shore up viewer numbers after further fluctuations in ratings.

The show dropped 190,000 viewers last week, to an average of 554,300 after TV3 launched the US 'X Factor' against it.

- Ken Sweeney

Irish Independent
Report Anaglogs Daughter September 27, 2011 11:41 AM BST
Senator David Norris has failed to secure a nomination for the Presidential election from Cork County Council.
Report workrider September 27, 2011 11:43 AM BST
well done the people of cork...
Report lapsy pa September 27, 2011 11:45 AM BST
Well done,Cork county council,common sense prevails.
Report workrider September 27, 2011 12:06 PM BST
would i be right in saying that those who support him would be of the same opinion that underage sex with children is ok...surely they must think along similar lines , otherwise they would have nothing to do with this sick evil man.....a child is buggered by his former boyfriend and he writes to goverments looking for mercy for him....never once thought about the effect this had on the poor child ...no letter to the childs parents apologizing  for his boyfriends behaviour...how we even let him get back into a race for our countrys top job is beyond belief....the pink party have massive pull alright...
Report spurs to buy big September 27, 2011 12:15 PM BST
some very homophobic vibes here .vehement anti gay sentiment is often an indicator  of sexual repression
Report workrider September 27, 2011 12:23 PM BST
ah the usual homophobic tripe ...i say it like it is mate ....and even if i was homophobic whats the matter with been homophobic ..if it means children were made safe form the likes of them , you can call me what you want mate ..water off a ducks back etc etc...do YOU agree with mister norris and his classical greek version of under age sex ..i'd be interested to hear your views ..even if they might be HETROPHOBIC....
Report lapsy pa September 27, 2011 12:28 PM BST
Morally wrong to use his position to defend his partner,that,s the end of story,the neck of Norris to attempt to try again for presidency is sickening,sincerely hope as cork county council have voted an abuse of power isn,t tolerated.A representive of the Irish people,no thanks, should be stripped of any public office.
Report workrider September 27, 2011 12:33 PM BST
AGREE LAPSY PA HE'S ONE CREEPY GUY IMO....
Report GANT007 September 27, 2011 12:34 PM BST
Spurs.....Some people are very set in their ways.........I was brought up to treat people of all colours, creeds, sexual orientation with respect...........An auld buck that lives down the road from me put his own son out of the house because he was gay..........This same auld buck did a runner on his wife and kids to the UK for 10/12 years and is now back trying to playing the loyal family man and doting daddy.......To hear him mouthing off in the local about his son and to be fair his son is as camp as hell but a nice fella.........My Dad and a few of his mates reckoned when they were growing up rumours were this auld buck swung both ways.
Report workrider September 27, 2011 12:36 PM BST
spurs to buy big ...im off out for a couple of hours..looking forward to reading your opinion when i get back ..dont let me down fella or i might start thinking you have something to hide..there again maybe i'm just been homophobic.....
Report lapsy pa September 27, 2011 12:45 PM BST
Something about him makes my skin crawl as well workrider,Gant007 It,s not so much as being set in your ways but to collude with a person that did that to a BOY cannot have justification.
Report wildmanfromborneo September 27, 2011 1:37 PM BST
A reptilian character who has lived off the state for decades,to hear him talking about the elite when its a perfect example of himself,he does represent Mincer/Robos old Alma Mater,is hipocritical.If he doesn`t get a nomination the Sunday Independant and R.T.E. will self combust,he is the darling of the media,but the ordinary people of Ireland won`t vote for him as evinced by Mattie McGraths supporters
Many years ago he cycled into a hole outside his home in North Great Georges Street and naturally sued and settled for an outrageous figure in dubious circumstances not unlike the Dick Spring case.
Again some years back a group of Pakistani business men were refused entry into the state,a team of FLAC lawyers were working on their behalf,the topic cropped up on Questions & Answers and David Norris contribution was "I hope they sue the pants off the state" some patriot,they later turned out to be bogus.
Report GANT007 September 27, 2011 2:12 PM BST
Gay Mitchell and Michael D. have also done well out of the state as elected public representatives.
Martin McGuinness and his crew have cost the state millions in their time.....some of their former colleagues still cost the state.

Put all the names in a hat and get Jedward to draw one out on the 6 O'Clock news some night.
Report dlarssonf September 27, 2011 2:14 PM BST
how much was the outrageous figure wildman?
Report freddiek September 27, 2011 2:28 PM BST
pretty dire list of candidates but mcguinness would be my no.1, followed by Norris

wouldnt go any further down the paper. media will be spewing if either of them win, should be fun

admire Davis but we've had enough dacent woman in the Aras

(Michael D. was an awful drunkard in his day ya know)
Report Anaglogs Daughter September 27, 2011 4:22 PM BST
DANA secured her fourth Council nomination today assuring her place on the ballot paper for the Presidential election on October 27.

The Derry-born singer and former MEP, was backed by Offaly County Council to stand for the role – just eight days after she announced her intention to run.


Senator David Norris today secured the backing of Waterford City Council bringing his nomination tally to three Councils but he still requires one more to ensure his name is on the ballot paper.


His hopes suffered a blow earlier when Cork City Council voted 20-9 against nominating him, with seven abstentions.


However, his bid was back on track when Waterford City Council met at 1pm and voted 6-3 with five abstentions to back him.


Earlier Dana got her third nomination from Donegal County Council with a 19-0 vote in Lifford to support her.


With tomorrow’s noon guillotine for Presidential nominations fast approaching, every meeting is now crucial for Senator Norris.


Nomination votes due today include:


Longford County Council – 4pm


Dublin City Council – 6.45pm


Cavan County Council – 7pm


Senator Norris's attempts to get on the Presidential trail appeared yesterday to be running into a major barrier as Fine Gael blocked his attempts to enter the race.


In South County Dublin six FG representative opposed the Senator's bid to enter the race yesterday and their Dublin city colleagues are gathering today ahead of the scheduled City Council meeting with a number set to go against his candidacy.


The final Councils meet tomorrow and could offer a lifeline. Kildare and Kilkenny both meet at 8.30am. Nominations close at noon.

- Independent.ie reporters
Report wildmanfromborneo September 27, 2011 6:34 PM BST
dlarssonf it wasn`t disclosed but as he had a foot in both camps you can bet it was huge,he didn`t deserve anything.
When Dick Spring was minister of Foreign Affairs his driver got a heart attack at the wheel and crashed,he died and Spring was injured.Spring sued but as the state cars are uninsured the state was liable,incredibly the state settled outside of court so Spring effectively settled with himself for a figure rumoured to be half a million this was sanctioned by the then Taoiseach Garret Fitzgerald.This was proof to me that they are all villains not a patriot among them.
If as Freddiek alleges Michael D was a bit of a drunk seems a good enough reason for voting for the intellectual bisexual.
Report RoyalAcademy September 27, 2011 7:09 PM BST
all the green flag lefties and gay haters gathered on a sports forum....well well well!

And apologists for the Shinner as he changes colour like autumn leaves.

Ok for McGuiness to get a nomination but not Norris? Intolerance alive and well as ever in this poisoned island. What hope do we have?

Elect Norris president and drag the troglodytes into the new era of tolerance and hope.
Report workrider September 27, 2011 7:28 PM BST
i'm not a gay hater , in fact i have some good friends who are gay ...the point is they dont share norris's view re underage sex ..in fact they feel exactly as i do re his behaviour ....but of course you dont want to hear about that...the word homophobic now the biggest weapon  used by gays to put people like myself in their place ...well sorry to disappoint you royal but as maggie once said i'm not for turning ...because i dont like the lovely mr norris , in your eyes i'm intolerant ...so either i love all gays or i'm in the wrong...that 's like saying i should love war because i'm a pacifist.......to my knowledge its impossible to love everyone ..but then again people like you i'm sure love everyone and everything....
Report wildmanfromborneo September 27, 2011 7:39 PM BST
There are none as intolerant as a liberal,if anyone dares disagree with the cosy liberal concensus they are subjected to name calling,racist homophobic etcetera,and brow beaten.They don`t believe in free speech as witnessed by the fine liberals in Trinity doing their best to rescind the invitation of Nick Griffin to speak on immigration but whats new.
Report freddiek September 27, 2011 7:41 PM BST
wildman who's the intelectual bisexual?

Norris is 100% bender
Report Giant Strides September 27, 2011 7:42 PM BST
I doubt I`m the only person who doubts you have gay friends wr. Mischief
Report workrider September 27, 2011 7:47 PM BST
Laugh
Report ACE JACK DOUBLE SUITED September 27, 2011 7:48 PM BST
Hes officially on the ballot paper now DCC have nominated him
Report Giant Strides September 27, 2011 7:51 PM BST
[:x]
Report workrider September 27, 2011 7:53 PM BST
you're a little like most bohs supporters there giant...i think you're missing something....Laugh
Report Anaglogs Daughter September 27, 2011 8:03 PM BST
Senator David Norris gets backing of South Dublin County Council and secures nomination for Presidential election.
Report Anaglogs Daughter September 27, 2011 8:05 PM BST
Sorry Ace Jack didn't see your post...I'm too busy waiting for this HORSE RACING breaking news story
Report dlarssonf September 27, 2011 8:31 PM BST
I am no fan of Norris but wildman how can you say it was an outrageous amount when you haven't a clue what he was awarded
Report wildmanfromborneo September 27, 2011 8:52 PM BST
Fair point dlarssonf but as i felt he deserved nothing any figure would have been outrageous,it was stated to be 5 figures.
FreddieK the intellectual bisexual is the alleged big drinker.
Report dlarssonf September 27, 2011 8:55 PM BST
fair enough wildmanCool
Report workrider September 27, 2011 10:19 PM BST
was wondering about him myself tbh wildman....
Report spurs to buy big September 28, 2011 2:03 AM BST
its all very depressing ...remarkable that a forum on a "cutting edge " betting website appears to be highjacked by a shower of feckin opus dei j erk offs ....i wont be voting for Norris but i am do believe he deserves to be on the ballot paper based on his polling figures .............As for his letters on behalf of his ex lover SFW ...he did not condone the crime...also from what i  ve read his former lover was an enemy of the Israelie State due to his work on behalf of the Palistinians and charges brought by the authorities may be suspect
Report scoobyknows September 28, 2011 9:57 AM BST
Norris is the only man in the race..!
Report scoobyknows September 28, 2011 10:05 AM BST
dl.dropbox.com/u/4769093/presidential-ness-o meter.jpg
Report Anaglogs Daughter September 28, 2011 10:26 AM BST
Let The  XFactor Begin

Ireland's presidential X-Factor finally kicks off today as the seven candidates prepare for their first live debate.

With nominations closing at noon, the real race for the Aras will begin when the presidential hopefuls take part in a debate on RTE Radio One's lunchtime News at One programme.

After securing the support of the required amount of county councils yesterday, David Norris and Dana Rosemary Scallon joined Fine Gael's Gay Mitchell, Labour's Michael D Higgins, Sinn Fein's Martin McGuinness and independents Mary Davis and Sean Gallagher in the race to succeed Mary McAleese as head of state.

In a specially extended News at One, each candidate will be interviewed by Sean O'Rourke for three minutes. There will then be a round-table debate.

The candidates will also appear on tonight's Prime Time, where they will be interviewed separately for 5-10 minutes. A panel of experts will then assess their performance.

The first live TV debate will take place on Friday night's Late, Late Show.

Voting takes place on Thursday 27 October.

The final candidates are:

- MEP Gay Mitchell - a former TD who stood for the leadership of Fine Gael in 2002 but lost out to now Taoiseach Enda Kenny. A pro-life advocate, he has repeatedly sought clemency for convicted killers on death row in the United States.

- Labour Party president Michael D Higgins - an intellectual, poet and former government minister. The 70-year-old is known for campaigning against human rights abuses around the world.

- Martin McGuinness has temporarily stepped down as Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister to enter the race for the Aras. The former IRA commander wants voters to judge him for his crucial role in the peace process and not his past.

- Poll-topper David Norris is the first openly homosexual man to be elected to public office in Ireland. But the senator's campaign has been shrouded in controversy over clemency letters he wrote to Israeli authorities for an ex-partner convicted of statutory rape in the late 1990s.

- Mary Davis gained widespread acclaim for heading up the 2003 Special Olympics World Summer Games in Dublin and was later head of Special Olympics Europe. In 2004 she was appointed to the Council of State, a group of high-profile individuals tasked with advising the president on legislation.

- Entrepreneur Sean Gallagher is a star on Ireland's Dragons Den. The former Fianna Fail member has also worked with charity, voluntary and community groups throughout the country. He is the only candidate who has opted not to hang election posters.

- Dana Rosemary Scallon won the 1970 Eurovision for Ireland and a seat in the European Parliament for Connaught/Ulster in 1999. She also got the support of five county councils to run for the presidency in 1997, but finished third.

While Mr Mitchell, Mr Higgins and Mr McGuinness had the firm backing of their parties, the four independents needed to secure the signatures of 20 Oireachtas members or majority support of four county councils each.

- independent.ie reporters
Report workrider September 28, 2011 10:42 AM BST
i just briefly heard norris on the p.k.show ..how can this guy be taken seriously by any head of state ....his voice is nearly enough to drive you nuts....half/man half/ womens....kenny kept him on his toes asking him about the unpublished letters . while norris like the evil coward he is was trying with all his might to deflect pat away from asking him about them...eventually norris said something like my lawyers wont allow me to publish them ...pat then said how come they let you publish the other ones then ...queue an eerie silence....this lad will be found out yet....
Report scoobyknows September 28, 2011 11:16 AM BST
I will be voting for David "the liberator" Norris,and the only letters I am interested in are French..!
Report workrider September 28, 2011 11:22 AM BST
Laugh good man scooby....
Report freddiek September 28, 2011 12:10 PM BST
"evil coward"?

steady on there wr
Report freddiek September 28, 2011 2:12 PM BST
the Shinners are out with the posters already round north Louth

Marty "the People's president"...
Report Tony Fenton September 28, 2011 2:14 PM BST
COME ON YE BOYS IN BLUE
Report squigs September 28, 2011 6:44 PM BST
Heard MMG on Today FM earlier, disappointed as he was cleverly swerving questions about his past. MMG now is a very likable man, if he came clear about what he had done during the troubles I would have a lot more time for him.
Report Mordin. September 28, 2011 10:31 PM BST
Norris is on one big ego trip, its all about him he has no interest in the people or the country.
Report guinness2dear September 28, 2011 10:57 PM BST
It would be hard to name a Politician who does have an "interest in the people or the country"
Report spurs to buy big September 29, 2011 1:56 AM BST
yep mickey dee will go short i reckon
Report Anaglogs Daughter October 3, 2011 11:45 AM BST
PRESIDENTIAL candidate David Norris has become embroiled in a new controversy as reports emerge that he lobbied the Seanad in 2007 in an attempt to get Irish citizenship for his then Algerian boyfriend.

According to reports in The Sun newspaper, the independent senator -- who is already under pressure over letters he wrote seeking clemency for an Israeli boyfriend who had been convicted of statutory rape -- made a plea in the Seanad after his partner, Tevfik Akin, had his citizenship application refused.




In a speech to the Seanad in April 2007, Mr Norris named Mr Akin, who was present in the visitor's gallery at the time, describing him as "a friend of mine and my partner".




Questioning why the Department of Justice had turned down Mr Akin's application, the senator said "The gentleman in the visitors' gallery demands to know who put a black mark against him and what is that black mark.




"I want the officials in the department to know I will pursue this matter to the bitter end.




"Woe for them if they have behaved wrongly because if I cannot get an answer in the Oireachtas, I will make sure in the courts that I get an answer."




Mr Akin arrived in Ireland in 2001 as an asylum seeker. He was eventually granted refugee status and then applied for citizenship in 2004. However, his application was turned down in 2006.




In his speech to the Seanad, Mr Norris accused the department of refusing to grant the application because Mr Akin was Muslim.




"I have asked him at every stage of this process whether there is any matter, including of a criminal nature, of which he is ashamed of... and he has assured me again and again that this is not the case.




"His only crime I can determine is that he is from a Muslim background."




Mr Akin has since been granted citizenship and now works as an attendant in St James's Hospital in Dublin. He and Senator Norris are no longer in a relationship.
Report kavvie October 3, 2011 12:17 PM BST
norris will be lucky to get 7% of the vote..he stands for nothing only gay rights and james joyce!!
Report workrider October 3, 2011 12:20 PM BST
he's really showing us who he'd fight to the death for.........his beloved boys.....Laugh..the guy gets worse by the minute....
Report Anaglogs Daughter October 4, 2011 3:21 PM BST
Vincent Browne's Big Presidential Debate

TV3, 9.00pm tonight. Lots of political skin and hair will be flying as veteran journalist Vincent Browne picks through the pitches of the seven Presidential wannabees. The early stages of this campaign have been underwhelming to say the least, although the McGuinness factor seems certain to spice things up as the former IRA chief tries to explain away his past.
Report scoobyknows October 4, 2011 4:01 PM BST
The Liberator would not want to be taking any prisoners tonight..!
Report ReimerpYsatnaf October 4, 2011 4:06 PM BST
Is McGuinness really a former IRA chief? If he is why the fack would anybody vote for that piece of sc*m?
Report scoobyknows October 4, 2011 4:16 PM BST
McGuiness lead a faction of the I.R.A that surrendered to the brits.Despicable character,yellow by nature..!
Report Kerrygold October 5, 2011 7:52 AM BST
martin mcguinness won tv3 debate by a landslide...
Report Anaglogs Daughter October 5, 2011 11:18 AM BST
Results of the TV3 Online Poll taken during last nights debate:

5% Mary Davis; 15% Seán Gallagher; 13% Michael D. Higgins; 34%Martin McGuinness; 8% Gay Mitchell; 19% David Norris; 6%Dana Rosemary Scallon

Based on 205,000 votes cast throughout. Results represent the overall % share of overall positive opinions.
Report freddiek October 5, 2011 12:22 PM BST
interesting stuff...

didnt see a bit of it myself. Big win for MMG but how many of those impressed with him will actually vote for him is the key thing

on those figures Mitchell must have had a shocker but fin gaelers are very loyal and will still look after him come polling day. no real chance of winning thought i dont think

just surprising to me that MMG could have come out of the debate with such a comfortable advantage among viewers...very surprising imo

Higgins still a strong fav in the bettin with Norris/MMG neck and neck
Report Anaglogs Daughter October 6, 2011 10:00 AM BST
By Independent.ie reporters
Thursday October 06 2011
A CRUSHING fall in their popularity in the latest presidential opinion poll left some candidates reeling today, but they tried to put a brave face on the catastrophic results.

With 21 days left to voting, Labour’s Michael D Higgins powered ahead at 23pc, followed by Sean Gallagher in a massive surge to second place at 20pc and Martin McGuinness polled 19pc.

However, Mary Davis was unchanged at 12pc, while David Norris dropped 14 points to 11pc and Gay Mitchell dropped 12 points to 9pc. Dana, who was not in the last consideration, got 6pc of the Ipsos MRBI poll for the Irish Times.

Gay Mitchell and David Norris lay low refusing to comment on the results, however a spokesman for Mr Mitchell said he was ‘disappointed’ by the results.

Mary Davis said: “The polls are showing strong volatility. We are still three weeks out and this poll was taken in a very challenging time in my campaign, but I’ve managed to stay stable. I’m feeling quite comfortable at this stage.”

Dana said she didn’t take any notice of polls. “I’ve never been more than 6pc in any poll,” she said.

Sinn Fein’s Martin McGuinness said: “What we are seeing in these polls is a snapshot rather than a reflection of the true figures. I’m performing quite strongly and that’s very pleasing,” he said.

A spokesman for Mr Higgins said he was “very pleased” by his result and a spokesman for Sean Gallagher said he will not be commenting on any polls.

Mr Higgins has overtaken Mr Mitchell in support among Fine Gael voters with the latter only getting 21pc of his own party’s vote.

If Mr Mitchell only wins 9pc of the vote it will be considered a disaster for Fine Gael after its general election victory and high ratings in polls since.

Meanwhile it emerged today that the TV3 Presidential Debate was a ratings winner for the station.

More than 820,000 people tuned in over the course of the 90 minute debate on Tuesday night with an average rating of 367,000.

While TV3 3 gets over one million viewers for X Factor, the 820,000 figure is a major boost for Vincent Browne, the stations’s main current affairs anchor.

A total of 1.4m people tuned into the Late Late show last Friday night when the candidates also featured in a debate, with an average of 728,700 for the show hosted by Ryan Tubridy
Report Anaglogs Daughter October 21, 2011 4:30 PM BST
Great quote from a Donegal elector: 'Just found an election leaflet from Martin McGuinness under my car. Old habits die hard.'
Report workrider October 21, 2011 4:49 PM BST
Laugh
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