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Senator to announce new bid after signs of Fianna Fail support
By JEROME REILLY EXCLUSIVE
Sunday September 11 2011
SENATOR David Norris is about to make a sensational declaration to re-enter the race for the presidency, the Sunday Independent can reveal.
Mr Norris reconsidered his decision to withdraw after a consistent outpouring of public support, the urgings by independent TDs and senators and now the dramatic confirmation that some FF Oireachtas members will support his bid for a nomination.
Mr Norris, who returned to Ireland yesterday, will tonight hold a meeting with his advisers, some time after which the announcement is expected, possibly on Friday, when he appears on 'The Late, Late Show'.
As the political choreography of his re-entry was being finalised, a compelling argument emerged in the form of the Fianna Fail support for his candidature.
A senior Fianna Fail figure told the Sunday Independent last night that from a political point of view it would be advantageous to the party.
"We haven't got our own candidate and given the level of public support for Norris I think it would play well to nominate him," he said.
"I think the party leadership would turn a blind eye if some TDs or senators signed his papers.
"It would probably be up to the senators. They know him. He is a colleague," he added.
Fianna Fail TDs and senators are clearly taking a signal from a statement last month by party leader Micheal Martin, who said he believed that potential candidates for the presidency with substantial public support should not be prevented from standing because of the very restrictive nomination process".
A number of left-wing and independent members of the Oireachtas have also signalled their willingness to support his nomination.
A Sunday Independent/ Quantum Research telephone poll shows that 39 per cent want Mr Norris on the ballot paper and 40 per cent would vote for him in the election on October 27. Last week, more than 7,000 people signed an online petition supporting his nomination, with 2,000 more adding their names to a paper petition which was organised in Dublin and Cork in the last two days. Voters formed queues to express support.
Independent deputies Luke 'Ming' Flanagan and Maureen O'Sullivan, as well as two Socialist Party TDs, Joe Higgins, and Clare Daly, will still back the nomination of the Trinity scholar, they told the Sunday Independent this weekend.
Last night, influential Socialist Party TD Joe Higgins said Mr Norris should re-enter the race, adding, "it is up to the Irish people to make the decision, not the media, bloggers etc."
People Before Profit deputy Richard Boyd Barrett also confirmed yesterday that he would support the nomination -- "in the absence of any credible left wing candidate emerging, which now appears very unlikely".
Mr Boyd Barrett declared: "The attack on him has been outrageous and he is certainly the best of the current candidates."
The other People Before Profit Dail deputy, Joan Collins of Dublin South Central, was also expected to endorse his candidacy if asked, while Senator John Crown said that he would definitely support a nomination.
Ms O'Sullivan is also solidly behind his candidature.
"My position did not change. I continued to support his nomination until he withdrew. In my view, it is up to the electorate to decide. I did not stop supporting him. If he came back into the race I would support him. I may be totally wrong but I remain doubtful about whether he will re-enter. I have received hundreds of emails expressing support for him," she said.
A senior Fianna Fail source said: "The public want him on the ballot paper and it would mean that Labour and Fine Gael would not get a clean run of it."
If Fianna Fail members of the Seanad had supported Mr Norris in August, he would have had the requisite numbers by now.
Mr Norris has until September 28 to secure the 20 signatures required under the Presidential Elections Act 1993.
He also has to raise finance. Monies collected for his presidential campaign were returned immediately after he decided on August 2 to abandon his bid.
The need to quickly build a fighting fund to contest a national election means that those closest to Mr Norris are moving toward making an announcement soon rather than waiting until nearer the closing date for nominations.
Left-wing deputies who form the United Left Alliance grouping meet on Tuesday.
Mr Boyd Barrett said he thought it likely that the Socialist Party as well as his party, People Before Profit, would also support Mr Norris.
That was confirmed by Ms Daly, who said: "We would not exactly be on the same wavelength as Senator Norris on a huge range of issues but we believe fervently he has the right to stand."
Mr Crown said: "Senator Norris still has my support. The big difficulty is for him to get the 20 nominations. Personally I fear it is unlikely but I believe the people should decide. My position is that I am not part of his campaign.
"I told him all along that I thought he deserved to be on the ballot paper because of his strengths, because of his popular support and because of the attempts by the political parties to thwart his nomination."
Mr Norris has lost the support of some key independents who originally backed him. Both independent TDs Finian McGrath and Catherine Murphy confirmed they would no longer support his nomination.
But Mr McGrath acknowledged some of his independent colleagues still supported Mr Norris and would like to see him re-enter the race.
He said his gut feeling was that Mr Norris would find it very difficult to get the support of the 20 Oireachtas members he needs to secure a nomination.
According to a Sunday Independent/Quantum Res-earch telephone poll, 39 per cent believed Mr Norris should be on the presidential ballot paper and 40 per cent would vote for him in the election.
In the last Sunday Independent poll, 38 per cent said they would support his re-entry. The consistence of his support is remarkable and suggests that if he was to re-enter the race he would win.
One Fianna Fail TD said: "If David Norris had remained in the race and if he had maintained the support of the independents, I would believe there would have been four or five who would have been prepared to facilitate him in a general way to enter the race.
"That would have found acceptance. Some would have rejected it, including some who would have problems on the Civil Partnership Bill.
"I also think some of the Labour Party would also have supported his nomination purely because they would not like to have been seen as blocking him."
- JEROME REILLY EXCLUSIVE
By JEROME REILLY EXCLUSIVE
Sunday September 11 2011
SENATOR David Norris is about to make a sensational declaration to re-enter the race for the presidency, the Sunday Independent can reveal.
Mr Norris reconsidered his decision to withdraw after a consistent outpouring of public support, the urgings by independent TDs and senators and now the dramatic confirmation that some FF Oireachtas members will support his bid for a nomination.
Mr Norris, who returned to Ireland yesterday, will tonight hold a meeting with his advisers, some time after which the announcement is expected, possibly on Friday, when he appears on 'The Late, Late Show'.
As the political choreography of his re-entry was being finalised, a compelling argument emerged in the form of the Fianna Fail support for his candidature.
A senior Fianna Fail figure told the Sunday Independent last night that from a political point of view it would be advantageous to the party.
"We haven't got our own candidate and given the level of public support for Norris I think it would play well to nominate him," he said.
"I think the party leadership would turn a blind eye if some TDs or senators signed his papers.
"It would probably be up to the senators. They know him. He is a colleague," he added.
Fianna Fail TDs and senators are clearly taking a signal from a statement last month by party leader Micheal Martin, who said he believed that potential candidates for the presidency with substantial public support should not be prevented from standing because of the very restrictive nomination process".
A number of left-wing and independent members of the Oireachtas have also signalled their willingness to support his nomination.
A Sunday Independent/ Quantum Research telephone poll shows that 39 per cent want Mr Norris on the ballot paper and 40 per cent would vote for him in the election on October 27. Last week, more than 7,000 people signed an online petition supporting his nomination, with 2,000 more adding their names to a paper petition which was organised in Dublin and Cork in the last two days. Voters formed queues to express support.
Independent deputies Luke 'Ming' Flanagan and Maureen O'Sullivan, as well as two Socialist Party TDs, Joe Higgins, and Clare Daly, will still back the nomination of the Trinity scholar, they told the Sunday Independent this weekend.
Last night, influential Socialist Party TD Joe Higgins said Mr Norris should re-enter the race, adding, "it is up to the Irish people to make the decision, not the media, bloggers etc."
People Before Profit deputy Richard Boyd Barrett also confirmed yesterday that he would support the nomination -- "in the absence of any credible left wing candidate emerging, which now appears very unlikely".
Mr Boyd Barrett declared: "The attack on him has been outrageous and he is certainly the best of the current candidates."
The other People Before Profit Dail deputy, Joan Collins of Dublin South Central, was also expected to endorse his candidacy if asked, while Senator John Crown said that he would definitely support a nomination.
Ms O'Sullivan is also solidly behind his candidature.
"My position did not change. I continued to support his nomination until he withdrew. In my view, it is up to the electorate to decide. I did not stop supporting him. If he came back into the race I would support him. I may be totally wrong but I remain doubtful about whether he will re-enter. I have received hundreds of emails expressing support for him," she said.
A senior Fianna Fail source said: "The public want him on the ballot paper and it would mean that Labour and Fine Gael would not get a clean run of it."
If Fianna Fail members of the Seanad had supported Mr Norris in August, he would have had the requisite numbers by now.
Mr Norris has until September 28 to secure the 20 signatures required under the Presidential Elections Act 1993.
He also has to raise finance. Monies collected for his presidential campaign were returned immediately after he decided on August 2 to abandon his bid.
The need to quickly build a fighting fund to contest a national election means that those closest to Mr Norris are moving toward making an announcement soon rather than waiting until nearer the closing date for nominations.
Left-wing deputies who form the United Left Alliance grouping meet on Tuesday.
Mr Boyd Barrett said he thought it likely that the Socialist Party as well as his party, People Before Profit, would also support Mr Norris.
That was confirmed by Ms Daly, who said: "We would not exactly be on the same wavelength as Senator Norris on a huge range of issues but we believe fervently he has the right to stand."
Mr Crown said: "Senator Norris still has my support. The big difficulty is for him to get the 20 nominations. Personally I fear it is unlikely but I believe the people should decide. My position is that I am not part of his campaign.
"I told him all along that I thought he deserved to be on the ballot paper because of his strengths, because of his popular support and because of the attempts by the political parties to thwart his nomination."
Mr Norris has lost the support of some key independents who originally backed him. Both independent TDs Finian McGrath and Catherine Murphy confirmed they would no longer support his nomination.
But Mr McGrath acknowledged some of his independent colleagues still supported Mr Norris and would like to see him re-enter the race.
He said his gut feeling was that Mr Norris would find it very difficult to get the support of the 20 Oireachtas members he needs to secure a nomination.
According to a Sunday Independent/Quantum Res-earch telephone poll, 39 per cent believed Mr Norris should be on the presidential ballot paper and 40 per cent would vote for him in the election.
In the last Sunday Independent poll, 38 per cent said they would support his re-entry. The consistence of his support is remarkable and suggests that if he was to re-enter the race he would win.
One Fianna Fail TD said: "If David Norris had remained in the race and if he had maintained the support of the independents, I would believe there would have been four or five who would have been prepared to facilitate him in a general way to enter the race.
"That would have found acceptance. Some would have rejected it, including some who would have problems on the Civil Partnership Bill.
"I also think some of the Labour Party would also have supported his nomination purely because they would not like to have been seen as blocking him."
- JEROME REILLY EXCLUSIVE
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Singles Only. Applies to David Norris' re-entry to the 2011 Irish Presidential election. Will be settled on the deadline date for nominations in September 2011. PP decision final.
Senator Norris to state publicly and unequivocally that he is once more a candidate for the 2011 Presidential race 4/1 Senator David Norris' name to appear on the ballot paper 10/1 |
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He's a martyr now.Ireland loves martyrs.
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in other words the gays have massed ranks ....we live in a sick society ...imo norris is a sick man who has sick ideas around children and sex....
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shouldnt have pulled out in the first place
dunno who his advisors were but they must not have ever ran a campaign before, amateurs |
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i agree with you workrider. feck the do gooders and no gooders that will surface here soon.
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David Norris and 're-enter' in the same sentence[:(]
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back door job no doubt....
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he had all his MEN voting in those polls i bet ...gayers more organised than most armys and as dangerous when they fell the need ..a ruthless shower imo...someone said something in a newspaper they didn't like a few years ago..the newspaper had 23,000 emails within the hour ...beware the gay army ....
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i ment feel ..it must have been a freudian slip....
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did u get felt up in a public toilet or somethin?
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what he said about the handicapped[:(][:(][:x][:x][:x]
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Why do we need a candidate who is a divisive force in the nation.?
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sure gay mitchell is divisive
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I think this was a bad deal
 It gave its name to a famous Dublin landmark, now one of the city's best-known pubs, John Doyle's of Doyle's Corner in Phibsboro, is sending a shiver down the spines of city publicans by going on the market with a price tag of €850,000 -- an 80 per cent drop in the price it was sold for five years ago. Doyle's was sold in 2006 for €4.2m, at a time when some local house prices were fetching €850,000. For generations the popular watering hole was a favourite for staff in nearby Mountjoy Prison and for country people who flocked to live in the many boarding houses in the neighbourhood. Victorian-era John Doyle's was built in the 1860s and its distinctive granite facade was constructed from leftover stones from the spire of nearby St Peter's Church. Unusually for a pub, it has its own supply of water, courtesy of an artesian spring well in the basement According to the guide brochure of the Dublin-based selling agent Morrisey's: "John Doyle's is an opportunity to acquire one of Dublin city's most famous landmark licensed premises. "Extending to 7,232 square feet, in excellent trading condition which enjoys a steady business, with obvious business potential to enhance the same under new ownership." "National Irish Bank was looking for cash offers over one million. However, the bank dropped it down to €850,000. There is another week to go in the sale," explained Tony Morrisey who is handling the sale. According to one local publican in Phibsboro, who didn't wish to be named: "Doyle's Corner used to be a goldmine and if €850,000 or less is the price being asked for pubs we are all in trouble." As a measure of how far south the pub trade and property business have gone in recent years, one only has to look at the pub's past sales record. In the early Nineties, during the latter days of the then recession, John Doyle's was bought for £900,000 (€1.14m). John Hughes, of Dublin-based CBRE, which specialises in pub sales, acknowledges that the pub market has hit hard times: "It is very challenging out there. There are very few pub properties that would have sold in Dublin this year; there is some interest in pubs, but the number of sales has been limited. "The whole difficulty is in raising finance, if there was funding available things would improve." Two of Doyle's most famous patrons in the past were writer Brendan Behan and hangman Albert Pierrepoint who, on 'business' trips to Dublin in the Forties and Fifties, would enjoy a pre-execution double whiskey in the snug of the bar. Ten years ago, when Doyle's was a thriving music venue, it made the national news headlines when it was reported that a noisy ghost was living on the second floor of the pub. Alas, nowadays, the ghost has the empty second floor bar all to himself except for the occasional party. There was no one available for comment from the Licensed Vintners' Association (LVA) or the Vintners' Federation of Ireland (VFI). - Tom Prendeville |
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Gayers! How old are you wr?
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old enough to be of no interest to senator norris thank god......
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I hope and pray he comes back so i can vote for him.
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They love pulling out and re entering those Gingers.
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That is a disgusting post but hardly surprising.
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brill by purpose.... |
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It was a unworthy of you to cut and paste from the Sunday Independent, Anaglogs. Please stick to newspapers in future.
David Norris - whatever his merits or otherwise - is a dead parrot at this stage. The value in the field from a trading point of view has to be Sean Gallagher. The latest polls put him within a couple of percent of Gay Mitchell. That's margin-of-error stuff. Mitchell is 7/2 and Gallagher is around 28/1 on here (8/1 with PP). Must be scope for that price to tighten up a little. |
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Workrider showing his true colours again you are like 2 s****ing schoolboys.
Get all your money on Gay Mitchell not coz he is the best candidate but coz he is going to win,he already has the Fine Gael vote that is nearly 40% that should be enough. |
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I meant no offence but substitute the word tittering.
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I meant no offence but substitute the word tittering.
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i thought we were free of you rosaleen..alas no..your still here like dog**** on a shoe..please dont upset the few good people who have returned with your inane and pointless postings.
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To call someone dog dirt is nasty and uncalled for.
What did i do wrong? |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/13/gay-rights-world-of-inequality
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011
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http://bit.ly/qc3rWi
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Roddy Collins gave his vote to David Norris on the Vincent Browne show last night and delighted he put his name back on the ballot paper.
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I think they give ya a free Parker Pen if ya enquire about running.
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i wish dustin was running this year as this race is becoming a farce, joke and embarisment to all irish people. martin maguinness, gaybo, gayboy, dana, michael d, whos next? joe duffy? ryan tubridy? healy rae? bertie?
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Neal Horan would be a shoe inn shoorly.
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lets all pray gaybo has a rethink as well....
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I may spoil my vote by writing Istabraq on it.
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A very good cure for homophobia is to have your only son tell you: "Dad, I'm gay".
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