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"Listen, we control the sperm so we control racing!" No one wants to play with you anymore. Everyone is sick of your tactics. No French runner in the Irish Derby this year. A pityful turnout for a race that legends are made, starting with Saddlers Wells and ending with Sea The Stars. Walofs! Rant over!
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Delighted Emulous destroyed misty and together and hope syt gets done by dunboyne xpress!!!! Coolmore and Aob are turning into a cartel.
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Is Prince Khaled from Cahirciveen or something?
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How is it AOBs fault tho
 Is runnin probably his best horse? |
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Date Joined: 03 Jun 10 Add contact 03 Sep 11 18:34 Is Prince Khaled from Cahirciveen or something?  The Prince is keeping Frankel in training and his operation is loss making so unfair to put him in the Coolmore bracket. |
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Nobody has put him in the Coolmore bracket. His operation is vastly superior this year.
As was pointed out by Richard Hughes today, the entry deadline for the Irish Champion Stakes was 30 March. They are getting what they deserve as a result. |
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I am a horse owner(very small time), and their greed makes me furious. Im sorry, but its my opinion and I have a nice few pints onboard.
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the entry deadline for the Irish Champion Stakes was 30 March.
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Your opinion is not wrong and even if it was, you are still entitled to it.
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Knob horse in a rubbish race,if he wasnt campaigned so conservatively he would have been beaten 4 times already this year
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he is no Gallieo, Sea the Stars or Daylami.
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He is a small bit better than snow fairy,the same as about 10 horses running at the moment.
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at least obriens son not on board,,this horse v good ,but not the pegasus they would like us to believe..ps am i the only one who finds brian gleeson annoying.
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See and there lieth(if there is such a word) the problem. He's not been campaigned for you and i or the greater good of racing he's campaigned for stud so don't be suprised to see him run in 4 runner races
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0r127 looks generous big galloper no turn of foot
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These prixx should realise that not everybody is as stupid as they think.They can hype him up all they like saying he could run from 8 to 12 furlongs and all the rest of it,the reality that breeders will not be fooled.Its there for anybody to see,he's a good horse thats about it.Would be a million in a top mile race and wouldnt stay 12f in a horse box,is by a garbage sire as well to boot.Hes more likely to run in the Champion hurdle than the Arc would be my reading of it.
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30th March dedline is a joke
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All Group 1s are more or less early closing. Are you people telling me that trainers and ownwers did not know they had a horse capable of running in the Irish Champion in march? You do not discover during the season you have a Group 1 horse. they could have closed the entries on Friday and had the same field.
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deadline*, I think the facet none of Oxx, Weld or Bolger has a group 1 colt is exacerbating the problem, I could name a few from Britain and Frabce that could have this on their radar as well, but the programme in the Far East and Dubai is taking them away, where the hell are the Vision D'Etat, Cirrus des Aigles types?
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Pidsulski, Pipedreamer, Notnowcato and Conduit, 4 examples off the top of my head, greed, just trying to drag in the cash as early as possible imo.
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Sorry I should clarify, improving late developers, even Harbinger was being beaten in Group 3's at the end of his 3yo career
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What has that got to do with anything. Do you know the lowest rated horse that was entered for the race this year? I'm talking about their rating today, not in march when anything was possible?
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What I'm sayins is that the entry deadline of the race is too early, all of the horses I've mentioned turned out to be Group 1 horses, however, in March of say, Harbinger's 4yo season, Stoute couldn't have known for sure whether he would turn out to be a Group 1 animal, it is often far too early to tell imo, and thus, far too early to lay down a stack of your owners entry fee for a race the horse might not even take up, that is what I was getting at, nothing to do with ratings exactly as such. FWIW, I think Stoute knew he had a Gr 1 hoss, but something borderline like Pipedreamer is another thing, there is also the difficulty as to whether im2f is the right trip, tough thing to say for sure at that stage
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Here are the entries:
NO. DRAW HORSE AGE WGT TRAINER RTF% JOCKEY OR TS RPR 2111- Afsare443 4 9-7 — — 11/11- Alainmaar483 5 9-7 — — 3311-6 Alexander Pope161 3 9-0 — 100 112 2127- Anna Salai442 4 9-4 — — Ansaab 3 9-0 — — 2-2 Apache160 3 9-0 — 92 99 17/11- Await The Dawn364 4 9-7 — 112 121 02123 Calvados Blues161 5 9-7 — — 123 23111- Canford Cliffs402 4 9-7 — — 1210-4 Cape Blanco161 4 9-7 — 126 134 1211- Casamento315 3 9-0 — 135 135 21317/ Casual Conquest728 6 9-7 — — 04383- Cavalryman321 5 9-7 — 100 120 2 Claiomh Solais167 3 8-11 — 21 94 15726- Cutlass Bay335 5 9-7 — — 135-00 Debussy161 5 9-7 — 66 128 22153- Dick Turpin335 4 9-7 — 119 129 11- Dubai Prince313 3 9-0 — 89 125 115-1 Dunboyne Express160 3 9-0 — 120 123 12/15- Elusive Pimpernel490 4 9-7 — — 11115- Fame And Glory335 5 9-7 — 107 128 11671- Famous Name313 6 9-7 — 113 127 41011- Forte Dei Marmi350 5 9-7 — 100 123 1115- French Navy307 3 9-0 — 95 122 1733- Jackaroo382 3 9-0 — — 1433- Jan Vermeer416 4 9-7 — — Marksmanship 3 9-0 — — 2136-2 Master Of Hounds161 3 9-0 — 127 129 51- Memphis Tennessee288 3 9-0 — 81 95 13-116 Mendip161 4 9-7 — — 119 01211- Misty For Me335 3 8-11 — 113 131 475-13 Monterosso161 4 9-7 — — 116 41234- Music Show336 4 9-4 — 108 123 131/ Passion For Gold658 4 9-7 — — 111- Pathfork357 3 9-0 — 93 133 03311- Pirateer343 3 9-0 — 96 110 31342- Poet315 6 9-7 — 118 125 119-20 Poet´s Voice161 4 9-7 — 130 130 111-50 Prince Bishop161 4 9-7 — 92 125 3-3 Quest For Peace167 3 9-0 — 38 95 11- Recital294 3 9-0 — 100 129 1316-1 Rewilding161 4 9-7 — 113 129 71211- Rio De La Plata300 6 9-7 — 69 126 21733- Robin Hood342 3 9-0 — 89 109 3121- Roderic O´Connor307 3 9-0 — 132 134 116- Saamidd322 3 9-0 — 102 128 212- Seville315 3 9-0 — 133 133 11-10 Simon De Montfort184 4 9-7 — — 119 12411- Snow Fairy265 4 9-4 — 120 130 11113- So You Think305 5 9-7 — — 135 111/6- St Nicholas Abbey490 4 9-7 — — 21123- Treasure Beach343 3 9-0 — 106 117 20353- Viscount Nelson427 4 9-7 — — 2151- Workforce335 4 9-7 — 114 137 21- Yaseer262 3 9-0 — 70 89 61113- Zoffany357 3 9-0 — 79 120 Who's missing? |
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Fair point, when you're right, you're right I suppose, anyone who is missing, I'd doubt finance would be an issue, but there are a few, Twice Over, Frankel etc, but I'd doubt finance was the issue.
as I was saying earlier, I suppose it must be the influence of other races abroad, further afield than the UK, very poor turnout all the same though |
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That isn't even a star studded list tbh.
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You're saying that with hindsight. they could have been anything in that list in March. The fact remains that bar Frankel the 3yos are very ordinary.
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Yes I suppose you're right there as well, I'll lay off the vodka
, the problems with regard to attracting horses obviously run deeper so, one would like to see maybe a bigger entry from France, but barring that, yes, the race just ain't drawing them. |
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The fact remains the March deadline is NOT the issue. The horses are not there and they're are so many alternatives at this time of the season. We did well to have two genuine Group 1 horses running against each other this year and I would take the same scenario every year.
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But would you think (this is the last cut I'll have at this), that maybe a small owner who has a nice horse, an Excellebration, Strong suit type owner not benefit from a later deadline, or would accomodating them not be worth the detriment of not getting the money in early from the others.
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Tough on the small owner who might have a good horse, Yay or nay?
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I think Tradefair makes Neill d argument for him,that entry list is proof conclusive that it is way too early.It suits the wealthy and is designed to keep out the small owner,twenty six of the original entries are Aiden OBriens.This once great race was devalued by todays renewal,have a look at the prize money on offer all the way down to eight,Red Mills deserve better.
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It's a massive pot and the best horses will always get an entry. The problem this year was that Frankel was staying at a mile and was never really considered the race. That will not always be the case. We have had super clashes in it down through the years and it remains Europe's premier 10f race. Tell me a horse that will be rated higher than So You Think at the end of the season that could have ran today?
Anyone at Leopardstown today saw a proper Group 1 horse beat another proper Group 1 horse. Job done. |
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What I'm getting at wildman, the Hannon type owner with the relatively cheap hoss who might get a mile and a quarter is kept out, Dubawi Gold is another type I suppose. I'm sure they've weighed it up however, maybe they could have concessions for people who have bought a horse for under a certain figure
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Name me a horse that
a) Will be rated higher than So You Think at the end of the season that could have run today? b) Any horse that was not entered that would have been entered had there been a later declaration stage. You are looking at the list with the help of hindsight, The majority of the entries were completely unexposed. You people just love a good moan. The fact remains a Group 1 horse beat a Group 1 filly. What more do you want? |
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I don't know should the question not be, 'would they have added to the race?', I think Excellebration for example, would have added to that race.
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Dubawi Gold and Strog Suit are likely to chance Group 1s at Ascot at the end of the season. They would never have been thrown in the deep end today.
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Not even theose horses specifically, but their type, in terms of price tag and perceived potential.
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That was the worst ever renewal of that race.My views on So You Think are well documented to me he is the most overrated over hyped horse since Ribofilio and should not be mentioned in the same breath as most previous winners.
Neill d i am in complete agreement with you and think it is a system that favours the lazy block enterers. |