WATERFORD MONDAY 21st & TUESDAY 22nd November

RESERVE DERBY TRIAL STAKE

1 SONAS HYLAND MATT HYLAND ex JUMBOS PORT
2 CELTIC CHIEF BOAVISTA ex WAITING TO WORK

3 BOWER LAZARUS BEXHILL EOIN ex SULLANE FLAG
4 BOND STREET BOY BEXHILL EOIN ex SPICE ONE

5 HERECOMES DE BEE RAZOR ASHMORE ex LIKE A BEE
6 BRIDIES AMIGO RAZOR ASHMORE ex BRIDIES HOLLY

7 KINGSMILL EXILE KINGSMILL DYNAMO ex LARCHILL LIL
8 CLONMEL TIGER TYNWALD SMOKEY ex THE OTHER SENSE

9 DILLROCK GOLD RAZOR ASHMORE ex DILLROCK NINA
10 SHEERAGHS PADDY SHEERAGHS MOCARA ex GALLANT PRIDE

11 ROUNDHILL EOIN BEXHILL EOIN ex CALLURA LADY
12 SPLASH MESSI RUN ON BOY ex MOLLY BLOOM

13 SCALP RANGER CASTLEMARTYR ex SIBERIAN SUNRISE
14 MONMAHOGUE BOUND HEAD BOUND ex MONMAHOGUE

15 INDIAN AFFAIR JANEY MAC AROO ex RITH AFFAIR
16 BLAME LIAM COURT HOUSE ex JUMBOS HANNAH
Reserves 
17 QUARRYMOUNT BEN
18 RIO TEE TEE

OAKS TRIAL STAKE

1 TORYHILL NORAH CILLOWEN RETURN ex EOIN BUI
2 HEADBANGER DAISY HEAD BOUND ex MONMAHOGUE

3 GUZZYS STAR MURTYS GANG ex TIPSY WOMAN
4 MARLFIELD HAZEL KINGSMILL DYNAMO ex HOLLYOAK PEGASUS

5 WESTGATE BELLE BEXHILL EOIN ex WHY TANYARD JANE
6 LOBNAMNA SHAUNA COURT HOUSE ex JUMBOS HANNAH

7 QUICKASUCAN BOAVISTA ex WAITING TO WORK
8 SKULE HILL MARY BEXHILL EOIN ex CALLURA LADY

9 JUMBOS COUNTESS COURT HOUSE ex JUMBOS HANNAH
10 DAISYCUTTER BEXHILL EOIN ex GALLANT DAISY

11 FREELANDER LADY JANEY MAC AROO ex RITH AFFAIR
12 CHATEAU BOW WOW BEXHILL EOIN ex MARWOOD TYPE

13 ELUSIVE LADY MATT HYLAND ex BEST VIEW
14 BRIDIES ARKLOW RAZOR ASHMORE ex BRIDIES HOLLY

15 LIGHT HEAD BEXHILL EOIN ex KINGSMILL BLONDE
16 QUARRYMOUNT MISS BEXHILL EOIN ex MUCKY HANNAH

17 HUGE ABILITY BEXHILL EOIN ex WAY OF LIFE
18 CUNNIGAR CUZ BEXHILL EOIN ex GALLANT DAISY

19 BRYKAR MEG CUSHIE THEORY ex SOCIETY VIEW
20 DONEGAL STACEY BEXHILL EOIN ex SLIEVEROE LADY

21 PIECE OF STRING RAZOR ASHMORE ex NEWINN STAR
22 VALE GROOVY O FLAHERTYS MAN ex GARVAN GROOVY

23 VINTAGE TIPPLE BEXHILL EOIN ex EASY N SWEET
24 WHY TANYARD KAY BEXHILL EOIN ex WHY TANYARD JANE

25 NEWINN MINOR BALLYMAC MAEVE ex TYNWALD MINOR
26 BRIDEWELL MAURA BEXHILL EOIN ex BRIDEWELL ROSE

27 BALLYSHANNON KIM BOAVISTA ex WAITING TO WORK
28 MARDINE CHELSEA RAZOR ASHMORE ex VACUME BLUEGIRL

29 GRIPWELL TESS COURT HOUSE ex JUMBOS HANNAH
30 MOONVEEN GAGA JUDICIAL AFFAIR ex SCARLET BELLE

31 SHEERAGHS SCAMP SHEERAGHS MOCARA ex SHEERAGHS BONNIE
32 SPICE LADY BEXHILL EOIN ex SPICE ONE

Reserves 
33 GIN FIZZ KITTY
34 GOLD LADY:
35 ROSIE HEDGE
36 TWILIGHT DAISY

ALL AGE DOGS

1 DANEMA BLUES TRAJECTORY ex PRETTY TOUCH
2 BOSCOS ZORRO JUDICIAL AFFAIR ex YOMMIES MOLLY

3 PAY ME BEXHILL EOIN ex UPTOWN SMURF
4 HELENS JET DROOPYS SAUNDERS ex LISCAHANE FIERY

5 CANNAKILL SHOP COURT HOUSE ex FAHY DOME
6 CROHANE HIGHLAND MATT HYLAND ex GARVAN GROOVY

7 MARSHALS GOLD DIGITAL ex SHANLESS ROSE
8 JEFFYS HARPER BEXHILL EOIN ex JEFFYS TOCAS

9 LIAM IS HOME ASHMORE VIEW ex GLENCOO ANNIE
10 MOONVEEN AFFAIR JUDICIAL AFFAIR ex MOONVEEN ELLEN

11 JIVING GIGOLO BEXHILL EOIN ex WHY TANYARD JANE
12 NEWINN MAGIC DROOPYS SCOLARI ex LITTLE DIVA

13 ADIOS ALEXUS MURTYS BLAZE ex WAITING TO WORK
14 TANYARD BLA CASTLE PINES ex WHY TANYARD BLA

15 COASTAL SANDS EOIN RUA ex MULTIBETTY
16 TORBAL ANNIEB JANEY MAC AROO ex DALTONS HERESAY

Reserves
17 MERCURY FREDDIE
18 MARTINA
19 SONAS AMBER

JIMMY O'MAHONEY LOTTO CUP

1 LOUGH LULU WESTMEAD HAWK ex PROPER LU LU
2 SHES A LACED ROOPYS KEWELL ex MOVE LACE

3 RIVERSIDE DANCER DROOPYS MALDINI ex RIVERSIDE POLLY
4 RIO RODRIGUE JANEY MAC AROO ex FIERY POLLY

5 MARKET LITTLEJOE DROOPYS KEWELL ex PERRYS SPICE
6 MAYS TOCAS BEXHILL EOIN ex JEFFYS TOCAS

7 BRYKAR DANZIG COLLEGE CAUSEWAY ex MAPELWOOD JULIE
8 ARDERA VALLEY BRUCE ALI ex RUSHEEN ELLA
Reserve
9 HANNAH HONEY

WORKING MEMBERS STAKE

1 RIVERSIDE LUCKY DROOPYS MALDINI ex RIVERSIDE POLLY
2 KILBUNNY YEATS WESTMEAD JOE ex DROOPYS JAZZ

3 MAYS BENJY DROOPYS KEWELL ex PERRYS SPICE
4 BRYKAR ARRA DALE BLUE BOY ex POSITIVE START

5 SOCIETY MADNESS CUSHIE THEORY ex SOCIETY VIEW
6 JUMBOS TOWNEY MATT HYLAND ex SYNDI ROSE

7 BIDDYS PRIDE SHEERAGHS MOCARA ex GALLANT PRIDE
8 POWERSTOWN HOPE ROYAL IMPACT ex MUSTANG HOPE

Reserve
9 TINCAN ALI

ORDER OF RUNNING

BALLYDUFF
Fri 18th and Sat 19th November

Judge: Paul Horan Slipper: Richie Quinn

Start 11.30am both days

Friday: Twice through Derby TS, Oaks TS and North Kerry Cup.

Saturday: Start with All Age Bitch Stake, Working Members Stake, Village Inn Stake and complete card
(please note semi-finals and final of All Age Bitch Stake will then be run directly before the North Kerry Cup).

CAVAN / DUNGANNON

Fri 18th, Sat 19th and Sun 20th November

Judge: John O’Connell Slipper: Stephen Edwards

Start 11.30am each day

Friday: Twice through Cavan Derby TS, Cavan Oaks TS and Cavan All Age Dog Cup.
Saturday: Twice through Dungannon Oaks TS, Dungannon Reserve Derby TS and Dungannon All Age Bitch Stake.
Sunday: Complete card.

CLONMEL & KILSHEELAN
Sat 19th and Sun 20th November
Judge: Liam Kelly Slipper: Richie Brannigan
Start 11.00am both days
Saturday: Twice through Derby TS and Oaks TS. Once through All Age Bitch Stake and Tipperary Cup.
Sunday: Start with Working Members Stake and complete card

WATERFORD
Mon 21st and Tues 22nd November
Judge: John O’Connell Slipper: Richie Brannigan
Start 11.00am both days
Monday: Twice through Oaks TS. Once through Reserve Derby TS and Urbs Intacta.
Tuesday: Start with Working Members Stake and complete card.

BORRIS IN OSSORY
Wed 23rd and Thurs 24th November
Judge: Tom Lawler Slipper: Richard Quinn jnr
Start 11.30am both days
Wednesday: Twice through Derby TS. Once through Reserve Oaks TS and Laois Cup.
Thursday: Start with Surplus Stake and complete card

BALLYDUFF DAY 1

DERBY TRIAL STAKE

1 SWANKY MATT MATT HYLAND ex SWANKY QUEEN
7 FORTFIELD RIVEREOIN RUA ex FORTFIELD BLONDE

11 ABBEYGLEN SMOKEY TYNWALD SMOKEY ex UPTOWN SMURF
16 COMMON BLUE BEXHILL EOIN ex SPECKLED WOOD

19 ARDFERT PETER BEXHILL EOIN ex SILENT MAC
23 DERBY SMILE BEXHILL EOIN ex BEAUTIFUL SMILE

28 GLIN VIEW MYERS RAZOR ASHMORE ex MISS CANDY FLOSS
31 BALLYMAC MORE BALLYMAC MAEVE ex BALLYMORE SARA

OAKS TRIAL STAKE

4 KNOCKNACREE JOY BEXHILL EOIN ex MURTYS JOY
7 MISTY HERRIS DROOPYS SAUNDERS ex MISTY HAZEL

12 CATCHNSCRATCHER KINGSMILL DYNAMO ex LARCHILL LIL
13 JABLYN CALL WALLACE GREEN ex CILLOWEN CALL

18 BRIDEWELL OLIVE JANEY MAC AROO ex GRATIFY
22 COMING HOME BEXHILL EOIN ex MOAT ELSA

28 WINE FOR SHINE BEXHILL EOIN ex TULLAMOY LADY
29 SMOKING HOTSHOT TYNWALD SMOKEY ex LEIGH SHADY

KIT BROWNE NORTH KERRY CUP

4 HOMESTEAD KERRY CASTLE PINES ex GOLD SUNRISE
7 KYLE TANYARD KYLE JAMES ex TANYARD BEAUTY

9 RAZOR ASH TULLAMORE ex RAZOR LADY
13 CHELSEA SPEED MURTYS BLAZE ex CHELSEA GIRL

17 DODO DEAL WINDFARM ex REEKIE DAISY
21 DUBBELCORDON ASHMORE VIEW ex SPECKLED WOOD

27 DRESDEN CALL BEXHILL EOIN ex CALL BIDDY
31 BRAZING SERPENT TULLAMORE ex LEIGH SHADOW

CLONMEL & KILSHEELAN DAY 1

DERBY TRIAL STAKE

1 BALLYBLUE EOIN BEXHILL EOIN ex BALLYEGAN LAURA
5 KINGCORMAC TOWER MATT HYLAND ex KILBREEDY TIME

12 FLYNNTOWN FLYER SANDY SEA ex ITELLYOURUBY
16 CLON HARBOUR CILLOWEN HARBOUR ex MOUNTAIN GUEST

17 BLACKPOOL SWANK MATT HYLAND ex CUDHAM SPECKS
22 HESABIGLAD BEXHILL EOIN ex EASY N SWEET

27 ARISE SIR ALEX BEXHILL EOIN ex MINOR TYNWALD
31 KINGSMILL MASTER KINGSMILL DYNAMO ex GLOBAL CALL

OAKS TRIAL STAKE

2 SHAUNANNE FLYER MURTYS GANG ex MULTIBETTY
8 BAMBAS MINNIE BEXHILL EOIN ex BAMBAS HAWKEYE

10 MARSHALS DUCHESS BEXHILL EOIN ex MARSHALS PEARL
13 ANY TIME SANDY SEA ex VALENTIA SINGER

18 A BETTER VIEW BEXHILL EOIN ex BALLYBRACK VIEW
23 WESTGATE BELLE BEXHILL EOIN ex WHY TANYARD JANE

26 HOLY LADY BEXHILL EOIN ex TULLAMOY LADY
30 KINGSMILL CHANEL BEXHILL EOIN ex KINGSMILL BLISS

TIPPERARY CUP

2 MARSHALS SAFARI BE OVER QUICK ex MARSHALS CHELSEA
3 DRUMBANE GUEST BOAVISTA ex MOUNTAIN GUEST

5 LOCHBO BLAKE LOCHBO BUTCH ex MOON PHASE
8 BEN NEVIS BEXHILL EOIN ex UPTOWN SMURF

10 CAESAR MUSIC DROOPYS CAESAR ex MORE MUSIC
11 CARROWKEAL FERDY BEXHILL EOIN ex VACUME BLUEGIRL

14 NEWRY LEGEND RAZOR ASHMORE ex TANGO TIME
15 FIRE TOP BEXHILL EOIN ex JEFFYS TOCAS

ALL AGE BITCH STAKE

2 KERCHING BEXHILL EOIN ex GALBALLY ROSE
3 CUSHIE WINGBELL CROSS COUNTRY ex CUSHIE MAG

6 SLICK SNOWY MURTYS GANG ex MAURICES PEARL
7 KILLENAULE QUEEN BE OVER QUICK ex SHANEBOY FRISKY

9 CARROLLSDESQUARE DALE BLUE BOY ex BEAUTYS OUTLAW
11 LOUD MUSIC MUSICAL TIME ex SKELLIG SPRING

13 ASGOODASGOLD JANEY MAC AROO ex FORT LADY
16 CUMBAWN ELLEN BEXHILL EOIN ex GALBALLY ROSE

you sure you have right winner of noth kerry cup?..i was told a diff one..

Your right Kavvie sowwy

KIT BROWNE NORTH KERRY CUP
WINNER
DRESDAN CALL

RUNNER UP
KYLE TANYARD

Care to share the CAVAN winners with us

Clonmel & Kilsheelan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVfjpbD5Vw4

Is there anywhere we can easily see where each dog won their stake ?

Hope this helps

BALBRIGGAN Coursing SATURDAY 26th SUNDAY 27th November


RESERVE DERBY TRIAL STAKE

1 MASTER JACKPOT WALLACE GREEN ex LADY BELLEVUE
2 SIBERIAN GULAG BEXHILL EOIN ex SIBERIAN SUNSET

3 GORTMELIA EOINBEXHILL EOIN ex EASY N SWEET
4 MOTOR BHEALACHLOCHBO BUTCH ex ARDMORE RHYTHM

5 AYE RIGHT MICRO MOVER ex MISS SNAPPY
6 CATUNDA ARTHUR BEXHILL EOIN ex BEAUTIFUL SMILE

7 ARDMORE BUTCH LOCHBO BUTCH ex ARDMORE RHYTHM
8 JOHNY JOHN DAN BEXHILL EOIN ex MUCKY HANNAH

9 BULLRING BUSTER MULTIBET ex NEWDOWN ORLA
10 BOND STREET BOY BEXHILL EOIN ex SPICE ONE

11 GINGERBREAD MAX BEXHILL EOIN ex VACUME BLONDE
12 FINGAL VALOUR BEXHILL EOIN ex FINGAL GOSLING

13 LUCAN EOIN BEXHILL EOIN ex LUCAN DIVA
14 CUBAN BULLET BEXHILL EOIN ex MEGAN BE NICE

15 BALLYFEARD NED CILLOWEN RETURN ex CILLOWEN ICON
16 BAT FOWLER BEXHILL EOIN ex SLIEVEROE LADY

Reserves
17 CASSIDYS POINT
18 CRAFTY TURBO:
19 SCRAP MAN:
20 WEE BINNIAN

OAKS TRIAL STAKE

1 WOBBLY FEET RAZOR ASHMORE ex MISS CANDY FLOSS
2 LOWSIDE ROSA SANDY SEA ex CLOCK LILY

3 CROSS LADY CROSS COUNTRY ex ASHMORE LADY
4 DALE GRAINNE EOIN RUA ex TWO CAR TRAP

5 URKER TRIO BEXHILL EOIN ex POSITIVE START
6 GOOD MORNING MAMO FLAHERTYS MAN ex STOP YAWNING

7 CLADDAGH SUNSET WILTON TIME ex ELM SUNSET
8 FOXHILL MURTY MURTYS GANG ex FOXHILL RIO

9 VALLYMOUNT KILT BEXHILL EOIN ex TILT YOUR KILT
10 RAMBOS JOY BEXHILL EOIN ex MURTYS JOY

11 CRAFTY CIELO VACUME LEGEND ex CRAFTY MONTICO
12 OAKVIEW DAISY BEXHILL EOIN ex GALLANT DAISY

13 KILLUCAN HILL BEXHILL EOIN ex KILLUCAN BETTY
14 FAST AND FURIOUS MUSICAL TIME ex SKELLIG BEAG

15 LUCAN SOLSTICE BEXHILL EOIN ex LUCAN DIVA
16 ARISTO CATINAHAT BEXHILL EOIN ex RITH GAN GAISCE

17 KISSEMME MURTYS GANG ex TIPSY WOMAN
18 FREFFANS SUSIE BEXHILL EOIN ex MASITA

19 FRANKLY THE BEST JUDICIAL BEST ex CILLOWEN GRA
20 LAST THE PACE JANEY MAC AROO ex CREGGANE ROSE

21 BUTTER BOX SANDY SEA ex MOON TOP
22 SYDNEY BREEZE BEXHILL EOIN ex MASITA

23 SHOOT ME DOWN RAZOR ASHMORE ex CARRICK CANDY
24 CENTRAL AMBITION WALLACE GREEN ex TANGO TIME

25 JUMP JULIE MURTYS GANG ex FOXHILL RIO
26 YOUR SYMBOLIC BEXHILL EOIN ex KILLUCAN BETTY

27 MUNGOS PIPPA MURTYS GANG ex MUNGOS ENSURE
28 CLONARD NELLIE BEXHILL EOIN ex LILS GIRL

29 EARLY MOVE BEXHILL EOIN ex BALLYMORE TRICK
30 MUNIE LILY SANDY SEA ex CLOCK LILY

31 BILLISTOWN TRAP EOIN RUA ex TWO CAR TRAP
32 SEE THE SKY WALLACE GREEN ex TANGO TIME

Reserves 
33 EMLAGH LADY
34 MOON DICE:
35 MOYGANNON MISS
36 WINTER WISHES

PADDY DOWLING CUP

1 BEEPERS SAUNDERS DROOPYS SAUNDERS ex BUTLERS MARY
2 BALLYHILL SELES BALLYMAC MAEVE ex BABY HAZEL

3 LOUGHSHORE GOLD BEXHILL EOIN ex BALLYBRACK MAY
4 CUSHIE COUNTRY CROSS COUNTRY ex CUSHIE MAG

5 IRELANDS AWAKE MULTIBET ex CARRICK SAM
6 CRYPTIC REBEL TRAJECTORY ex NORWOOD COUNTESS

7 GEORGE THE BOYDALE BLUE BOY ex DALE TYRANT
8 GLATTON FRANKIEBEXHILL EOIN ex SOUTHOE QUEEN

9 CRAFTY HIPPO MOUNTEDEN GUEST ex CRAFTY ARUBO
10 SINCE KYABRAM MATT HYLAND ex GARVAN GROOVY

11 PRESENTING OSCAR BALLYMAC MAEVE ex BABY HAZEL
12 GORTIN REBEL DALE BLUE BOY ex CORLEW MINDY

13 MOBHI RETURN TRAJECTORY ex MOBHI RUMBLE
14 CENTRAL SELECTOR DROOPYS SAUNDERS ex WAKE UP TIME

15 CLADDAGH HIGHT MATT HYLAND ex DALTONS HERESAY
16 ISHEBIZZI MATT HYLAND ex LOCHBO POLLY

Reserves 
17 DROOPYS CASANOVA
18 DRUMCROW VIEW:
19 SPIDER MAN
20 WHETSTONE ROCKY

ALL AGE BITCH STAKE

1 GORTMELIA SWEET BEXHILL EOIN ex EASY N SWEET
2 HIGHVIEW FORTUNE HADES ROCKET ex HIGHVIEW HIGHWAY

3 LA MADRINA MATT HYLAND ex VACUME INN
4 BARBER FIFTYFIVE NOBOOTH FOR GARY ex BLUE MOHICAN

5 ITELLYOUJOSIE BEXHILL EOIN ex ITELLYOUMIKEY
6 DALE DIVA BEXHILL EOIN ex TWO CAR TRAP

7 YADONTBEWELL MATT HYLAND ex FORTFIELD GIRL
8 GLENVALE KATIE SANDY SEA ex ITELLYOUMIKEY

9 RUNAWAY HEATHER BEXHILL EOIN ex VACUME BLUEGIRL
10 STAND BY ME ASHMORE VIEW ex FLOW AND RETURN

11 CLADDAGH CROKES MULTIBET ex TARANTELLA
12 MOLLYS LEADER BEXHILL EOIN ex TUNE UP

13 WHETSTONE SNOWY DROOPYS VIERI ex FOIS GRAS
14 SHAUNANNE STAR EOIN RUA ex MULTIBETTY

15 MUNGOS CERELLA DALE BLUE BOY ex MUNGOS MAJESTIC
16 CHARLEMONT RUA EOIN RUA ex MOYGANNON HILL

Reserves
17 SWING ROSE
18 ANNABELS LASS:
19 PARNELL LUCY
20 LOLOS HOPE

BALROTHERY STAKE

1 CHAPMANR UMBLE IMPACT ex DROOPYS MONA
2 ANNABELS STAR ESHWARY ANDO ex LILS GIRL

3 HARD SAVINGS TOP SAVINGS ex CUTE REBECCA
4 GAEL ENDA BALLYMAC KEWELL ex BALLYMAC LARK

5 BALLYMAC ANTHONY BALLYMAC BULL ex BALLYMAC YOUKAY
6 PARKER AGOGO SHELBOURNE ASTON ex LYRICAL GIRL

7 BAY COVE PRINCE MONALULU ex SHES GOLDEN
8 WHETSTONE MONTY BALLYMAC MAEVE ex DOUBLE BUBBLE

9 POCO BEXHILL EOIN ex LILS GIRL
10 NEWGRANGE QUEEN MULTIBET ex RUA NUA

11 SPICE LADY BEXHILL EOIN ex SPICE ONE
12 IMAGINATION RAZOR ASHMORE ex ESHWARY GIRL

13 FOSTERFIELD BIDD BEXHILL EOIN ex CALL BIDDY
14 SMELL A RAT HEAD BOUND ex TRIMS STAR

15 ASHCROFT PUMA HEAD BOUND ex GENEROSITY
16 CLADDAGH JOY COLINA DAMASK ex MOST AGILE

Reserves
17 FUTURE IMPACT
18 SHERGAR:
19 BILLISTOWN NAN
20 QUAY JUDY

BEATERS STAKE

1 TEGANS JOY NINGBO JACK ex SHAUNAS MIRACLE
2 FOXHAVEN ANDY ROYAL IMPACT ex FROSTY JO

3 TANDY MIRACLE NINGBO JACK ex SHAUNAS MIRACLE
4 DREENAN TONY KILLAHAN PHANTER ex BETFOWL

5 HAYESES LANE BALLYMAC MAEVE ex DIRECT CONTROL
6 ELIZEBETHIAN NINGBO JACK ex SHAUNAS MIRACLE

7 SPITAL JACK JUDICIAL BEST ex MUNGOS MAJESTIC
8 ISLE OF AVRIL HONDO BLACK ex AER AVRIL

9 DORNAVILLE BECKY DUKE SPECIAL ex FOXWOOD AOIFE
10 BALSCADDEN DREAM DROOPYS KEWELL ex BALSCADDEN KATIE

11 MOBHI MAGS HONDO BLACK ex MOBHI GUEST
12 FOURKNOCKS RISE CRASH ex SHALOME

13 LADY PEACHES TOP HONCHO ex TOBERADORA ROSE
14 ROCKCLIFFE MAEVE BALLYMAC MAEVE ex DOUBLE BUBBLE

KIMBERLEY & WYMONDHAM CUP

1 BRIDEWELL CRAFTY CRAFTY HUGO ex TEQUILA SUNSHINE
2 ALARM TIME MUSICAL TIME ex CALL UP

3 SOLITINA SOLITARY MAN ex MATTINA HOLLYOAK
4 DOLLAR MANIC MOVER ex FLASHY MILLER

5 MARKET CRISIS BEXHILL EOIN ex TEQUILA SUNSHINE
6 NEW ROSE MATT HYLAND ex DENMANIA

7 CRAFTY TOCOCRAFTY HUGO ex CRAFTY DIVINO
8 ZAP BEXHILL EOIN ex SOUTHOE QUEEN
Reserves
9 AMOREENA

Name	Qualified	Berkie	Boyles
Go Home Hare	East Donegal	10	10
Ashmore Sambo	Regional	10	12
Hopes And Dreams	Glin	10	10
Cuddly Man	Galway/Oranmore	14	14
Bueview Sam	Westmeath	12	14
Offshore Eoin	Lixnaw	14	14
Swanky Matt	Ballyduff	14
Windgap Lar	New Ross	16	16
Path of Peace	Listowel	16	20
Serene Dilemma	Freshford	20	20
Blueview Dan	Trim	25	25
Crafty Denso	Gorey	25	25
Iinidepub	Liscannor	25	25
Prime Example	Abbeydorney	25	25
Scartview Sage	Castleisland	25	25
Skellig Wish	Fermoy	25	33
Eshwary Sea	Ballyheigue	33/1	25
Arise Sir Mark	Cashel	33/1	33
Bahamian Kid	Carlow	33/1	40
Barrack Eoin	Tradaree	33/1	40
Battsteet Tiger	Crohane&Killenaule	33/1	40
Carrowkeal Benji	Mitchelstown	33/1	33
Nickies Rio	Charleville	33/1	33
Safe Hyland	Mallow	33/1	40
Strike the Lotto	Thurles	33/1	33
Tock Tick	Loughrea	33/1	33
Torre Air	Limerick City	33/1	33
Blackpool Swank	Clonmel/Killshellan	40/1
Ballymore Bob			25

WATERFORD DAY 1
RESERVE DERBY TRIAL STAKE

2 CELTIC CHIEF BOAVISTA ex WAITING TO WORK
3 BOWER LAZARUS BEXHILL EOIN ex SULLANE FLAG

6 BRIDIES AMIGO RAZOR ASHMORE ex BRIDIES HOLLY
7 KINGSMILL EXILE KINGSMILL DYNAMO ex LARCHILL LIL

10 SHEERAGHS PADDY SHEERAGHS MOCARA ex GALLANT PRIDE
12 SPLASH MESSI RUN ON BOY ex MOLLY BLOOM

RES (B) RIO TEE TEE TYNWALD SMOKEY ex THE OTHER SENSE
16 BLAME LIAM COURT HOUSE ex JUMBOS HANNAH

OAKS TRIAL STAKE

1 TORYHILL NORAH CILLOWEN RETURN ex EOIN BUI
7 QUICKASUCAN BOAVISTA ex WAITING TO WORK

10 DAISYCUTTER BEXHILL EOIN ex GALLANT DAISY
14 BRIDIES ARKLOW RAZOR ASHMORE ex BRIDIES HOLLY

20 DONEGAL STACEY BEXHILL EOIN ex SLIEVEROE LADY
21 PIECE OF STRING RAZOR ASHMORE ex NEWINN STAR

25 NEWINN MINOR BALLYMAC MAEVE ex TYNWALD MINOR
31 SHEERAGHS SCAMP SHEERAGHS MOCARA ex SHEERAGHS BONNIE

URBS INTACTA

2 BOSCOS ZORRO JUDICIAL AFFAIR ex YOMMIES MOLLY
3 PAY ME BEXHILL EOIN ex UPTOWN SMURF

6 CROHANE HIGHLAND MATT HYLAND ex GARVAN GROOVY
7 MARSHALS GOLD DIGITAL ex SHANLESS ROSE

10 MOONVEEN AFFAIR JUDICIAL AFFAIR ex MOONVEEN ELLEN
11 JIVING GIGOLO BEXHILL EOIN ex WHY TANYARD JANE

13 ADIOS ALEXUS MURTYS BLAZE ex WAITING TO WORK
16 TORBAL ANNIEB JANEY MAC AROO ex DALTONS HERESAY

ENNISCORTHY Coursing SATURDAY 26th & SUNDAY 27th November
DERBY TRIAL STAKE

1 ALL IN TED BEXHILL EOIN ex FIERY RUBY
2 ACRES WOOD BEXHILL EOIN ex FLEETWOOD DENISE

3 KIERANS SAM BEXHILL EOIN ex CARRICK SAM
4 MR FANTASTIC BALLYMAC MAEVE ex ITELLYOUPATSY

5 BALLYMORRIS HILL BEXHILL EOIN ex LANTES KATE
6 LANTES ROCKET BEXHILL EOIN ex LANTES KATE

7 GOODNIGHT MOCARA SHEERAGHS MOCARA ex SHEERAGHS BONNIE
8 GRANDADS PRIDE BEXHILL EOIN ex PIMPERS PARADISE

9 CHAMBERS BAY BEXHILL EOIN ex FINGAL SWAGGER
10 COUMDUALA BEXHILL EOIN ex SPOIL THE BROTH

11 IMPROVISATION WALLACE GREEN ex LADY BELLEVUE
12 HE CAN DALE BLUE BOY ex BEAUTYS OUTLAW

13 LISLOOSE JOHN MURTYS GANG ex TESS DURBIVILLE
14 BOY DAZZLER SHANEBOY DAZ ex DRIFTING ROSE

15 PRETTY CATCH SANDY SEA ex PRETTY IN PINK
16 DE BEAR MURTYS GANG ex SARAH MARYS BELL

17 OURO VELHO MATT HYLAND ex RATHCREA LASSIE
18 VACUME COOL DUDE BEXHILL EOIN ex VACUME BLONDE

19 DILLROCK BRONZE RAZOR ASHMORE ex DILLROCK NINA
20 COCONUT MAN TYNWALD SMOKEY ex LA TORRE

21 DUSTYS BLUEBOY BEXHILL EOIN ex MOAT ELSA
22 RANCOR MURTYS GANG ex CROCA OR

23 SHEERAGHS CUSHLA SHEERAGHS MOCARA ex SHEERAGHS BONNIE
24 RAINY PASS CUSHIE THEORY ex WEE ROSE GARDEN

25 WHEELERS WONDER HONDO BLACK ex TULLAGHA BELLE
26 COOLHILL LEGEND BEXHILL EOIN ex FINUGE FLOWER

27 SOFT CLIMATE BEXHILL EOIN ex EVENING STAR
28 ROURKES RANGER BEXHILL EOIN ex MUCKY HANNAH

29 BRENCAL LEGACY JANEY MAC AROO ex RITH AFFAIR
30 HILARK EOIN BEXHILL EOIN ex MARWOOD TYPE

31 KINGSMILL LARCH KINGSMILL DYNAMO ex LARCHILL LIL
32 OUTER CIRCLE WALLACE GREEN ex TANGO TIME
Reserves
33 PILGRIM
34 FAIRLY HANDY:
35 NEDS BOYS
36 BALLYMORRIS EOIN

OAKS TRIAL STAKE

1 BALLYRHAN THEORY CUSHIE THEORY ex RAVEN VIXEN
2 ACRES BLOND WALLACE GREEN ex LOCHBO KATIE

3 PUMPACTION NINA RAZOR ASHMORE ex DILLROCK NINA
4 LOBNAMNA SHAUNA COURT HOUSE ex JUMBOS HANNAH

5 CALYPSO DREAM WALLACE GREEN ex CALYPSO KELLY
6 SUNFIRE BLONDE BEXHILL EOIN ex KINGSMILL BLONDE

7 BIGWOOD VIRGINA WALLACE GREEN ex DALTONS HERESAY
8 MARDINE CHELSEA RAZOR ASHMORE ex VACUME BLUEGIRL

9 ROSIE HEDGE CUSHIE THEORY ex WEE ROSE GARDEN
10 RUNAWAY BLONDE BEXHILL EOIN ex VACUME BLONDE

11 CUSHIE VICTORIA BEXHILL EOIN ex MOAT ELSA
12 BRENCAL EXPRESS JANEY MAC AROO ex RITH AFFAIR

13 MOAT LADY BEXHILL EOIN ex MOAT ELSA
14 HILARK JANE BEXHILL EOIN ex BALLYMAC JANE

15 GUZZYS STAR MURTYS GANG ex TIPSY WOMAN
16 OURO AMARELHO MATT HYLAND ex RATHCREA LASSIE

17 DUNGILL LADY CASTLEMARTYR ex SIBERIAN SUNRISE
18 LISLOOSE MINDY BEXHILL EOIN ex ATLANTIC MINDY

19 KINGSMILL EVE KINGSMILL DYNAMO ex GLOBAL CALL
20 GENTSTOWN SENSE TYNWALD SMOKEY ex THE OTHER SENSE

21 CUNNIGAR CUZ BEXHILL EOIN ex GALLANT DAISY
22 SHEERAGHS SCAMP SHEERAGHS MOCARA ex SHEERAGHS BONNIE

23 BEST BID ESHWARY ANDO ex PEGS BEST
24 COUSINS RUBY DALE BLUE BOY ex BEAUTYS OUTLAW

25 HOT LIKE MEXICO BEXHILL EOIN ex BALLYMAC JANE
26 ANNUAL CRUISE BEXHILL EOIN ex MURTYS JOY

27 COOLHILL KATE BEXHILL EOIN ex FINUGE FLOWER
28 SHOESTOWN ROSE BEXHILL EOIN ex SHOESTOWN LADY

29 KIDS KNOW BEST KILLAHAN PHANTER ex CUSHIE MAG
30 MANNTAN PEARL BEXHILL EOIN ex MEGAN BE NICE

31 VACUME BLACK ASH RAZOR ASHMORE ex VACUME BLUEGIRL
32 BROWNSHILL FLOJO BALLYMAC MAEVE ex TYNWALD MINOR
Reserves
33 PIERCESTOWN IN
34 HEAVENLY GLEE:
35 CANDY
36 SUNBEAM ICON

SLANEY CUP

1 SEAN ANDY SID MONTOS CARHUMORE ex RITH AFFAIR
2 WILTON HERALD BEXHILL EOIN ex TANGO TIME

3 BIKO JACK CRASH ex HIGHVIEW HONCHO
4 FRIENDS MISTAKE HEAD BOUND ex THREE STAR GEM

5 WHEEL OF TIME BEXHILL EOIN ex SOFT RAIN
6 SHILLING COUNTRY CROSS COUNTRY ex CUSHIE MAG

7 CALL THE FIXER MATT HYLAND ex KILTY VACUME
8 HUGHS ROCKET HADES ROCKET ex TYRUR MARCELINA

9 BACALHAU MAGICAL CAPTAIN ex MERCURY PAULA
10 FATBOYZ PACQUIAO ROYAL IMPACT ex HONEY PRINCESS

11 LISLOOSE BLUEJAY MULTIBET ex LISLOOSE LIGHT
12 CANNAKILL SHOP COURT HOUSE ex FAHY DOME

13 BLACK AS PORTER JANEY MAC AROO ex GENTSTOWN JUMPER
14 GENUS GEORGE NOBOOTH FOR GARY ex LEIGHMORE GALE

15 BATTSTREET TIGER KINGSMILL DYNAMO ex LARCHILL LIL
16 NEEDHAM SKILL RAZOR ASHMORE ex TANGO TIME
Reserves
17 COOLPEACH RED
18 CREAGH AN LEON

ALL AGE BITCH STAKE

1 GRADING BUBBLES JUDICIAL AFFAIR ex RAINSTORM
2 PRETTY MISSDAISY CROSS COUNTRY ex CUSHIE MAG

3 HILLBILLY INCA JANEY MAC AROO ex BREEZE OG
4 GILLOGUE JESS CRAFTY HUGO ex TEQUILA SUNSHINE

5 KINGSMILL PEARL MULTIBET ex FIVE TO THREE
6 MINI MISCHIEF JANEY MAC AROO ex MEGAN BE NICE

7 GLENBEG LUCY WILTON TIME ex PIMPERS PARADISE
8 MATTHEWSTOWN LOC BOAVISTA ex YOMMIES MOLLY

9 MARWOOD KELLY MOUNTEDEN GUEST ex MARWOOD TYPE
10 RAVENS RIDGE BEXHILL EOIN ex BALLYBEG SAMANTA

11 CREAGH SNEACHTA DIVINE DUALS ex MANDYS CHARLEY
12 VACUME VENUS TULLAMORE ex VACUME RUNAWAY

13 BALYBANION PRIZE DALE BLUE BOY ex MUNGOS MAJESTIC
14 MANNTAN MELODY MOUNTEDEN GUEST ex RITH GAN GAISCE

15 WALLACE BRIDE COURT HOUSE ex JULY BRIDE
16 DILLROCK RUBY BEXHILL EOIN ex DILLROCK NINA
Reserves 
17 MANGAN BOUND
18 SOUTHEST LAZEY

Derby, Clonmel 2011, Long Odds                                                                                                   

Name	Qualified	Price	Clocks	Hill	Lengths	Handicap
Ballyrock Eoin	Tradree
Central Creator	East Donegal		1131	157	3.5	25
Graigues Eclipse	Edenderry		1156	158	6	33
Nordan	Dungarvan
Bridewell Crafty	Reserve A		1139	NC	4	30
Kyle Tanyard	Newcastle West
Crushers Hyland	Gorey
Chinook Hyland	Freshford	6	113,811,411,156	161,165,162	3.5,3,2	28,23,30
Denham Matt	Reserve B
Ashmore Lucky	Westmeath		1141	152	3.5	32
Needham Skill	Tubbercurry	2.5	114,711,471,151	154,148,153	2,2,1.5	25,25,26
Key Detail	Clonmel and Kilsheelan
Knockbrack Eoin	Galway and Oranmore
Droopys Babs	Old Kilcullen		1150	161	2	20
Belated Bounty	Cork
Cushie Country	Rathdowney		1158	152	2	28
Name	Qualified	Price	Clocks		Lengths	Handicap
Oola Man	Rathkeale		1129	158	1	24
Gortglas Houdini	Loughrea
Critics Club	Lixnaw
Kyle Ranger	Glin	2	1115,1121,1150prop	166,173,NC	6,1.5,3	24,23,36
Gypsy Rover	Liscannor		1162	155	LOL	20
Jonpamike	Ballyheigue
Castlemartyr Law	Co Kerry
Handball Henry	Listowel		1127	168	4	34
Downsman	New Ross
Coach Bart	Cashel		1140, 1177BTS	170	3BTS,4	20,26
Since Kyabram	East Donegal		1148	158	JU	21
Kilpeacon Ash	Westport
Aristo Emperor	Miltown Malbay
Helens Jet	Reserve C		1161	152	JU	25
Jeffys Harper	North Kilkenny
Stephens Ray	Mooncoin	6	115,311,521,136	158,164,168	2,1,Bye	28,25,29
Name	Qualified	Price	Clocks		Lengths	Handicap
Dodo Deal	Trim
Cooga Blue Boy	Ardpatrick		1156	162	JU	25
Gurteen Oscar	Bandon
Cool Storm	Castleisland		1145	164	2.5	33
Athdara Lad	Glanworth
Coshair Magic	Carlow	6	113,511,431,143	161	2,3.5,2.5	26,25,25
Tynwald Stuart	Abbeyfeale
Crafty Hippo	Dungannon		O/L	O/L	2 O/L	25
Cloverhill Sam	Wexford
Chancy Soprano	Dundalk		1128	173	2	26
Killimor Matey	Crohane and Killenaule		1132	154	1.5	23

BORRIS-IN-OSSORY RESULTS

DERBY TRIAL STAKE

WINNER
JERU CAVENDISH
SIENA STEEL ex JERU
OWNER Miss Jenna M. O'Donoghue
BREEDER Miss Jenna M. O'Donoghue

RUNNER UP
KYLE GAISCE
BEXHILL EOIN ex RITH GAN GAISCE

RESERVE OAKS TRIAL STAKE

WINNER
LISDALEEN STAR
JANEY MAC AROO ex TIPLAKI MOTTE
OWNER Mr Gerard Everard
BREEDER Mr. John Egan

RUNNER UP
EOIN BEO
MULTIBET ex RUA NUA

LAOIS ALL AGED CUP

WINNER
RIGHTTOGOWRONG
BEXHILL EOIN ex READY TO SLEEP
OWNER Mr. Tommy Fletcher
BREEDER Miss Aoife Loughnane

RUNNER UP
SOUND PISTOL
MUSICAL TIME ex LEIGH SHADOW

SURPLUS STAKE

WINNER
DONORE BECKS
BEXHILL EOIN ex RATHCREA LASSIE
OWNER Mr. Louis Duff
BREEDER Mr. John Nolan

RUNNER UP
CHELSEA LIGHTS

The Dáil, February, 1956.



SECTION 9.


Mr. Walsh: 

I move amendment No. 3:—


In sub-section (1), lines 9 and 10, to delete “(of whom not less than [525] four shall be members of the standing committee of the club)” and substitute the following:—


“(of whom not more than three shall be members of the executive committee of the club and of whom two shall have an interest in the breeding of greyhounds or in coursing or greyhound racing, and of whom one shall be a representative of the licensed bookmakers).”


The Bill states that, of the six appointed to the board by the Minister, four of them will be taken from the standing committee of the Irish Coursing Club. Our amendment is to the effect that, of the six taken from the general body on to the board, not more than three will be members of the Irish Coursing Club. The others then will be left at the discretion of the Minister, as well as an independent chairman.

An Ceann Comhairle: 

I take it that amendments Nos. 3 and 4 may be discussed together?

Mr. Walsh: 

I think so.

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

I have no objection. There is a slight difference. Are they being taken together?

An Ceann Comhairle: 

They are being discussed together, but separate decisions can be taken, if the House so desires.

Mr. Walsh: 

On Second Reading, I mentioned that this board, comprised of four members of the standing committee of the Irish Coursing Club, would not be a suitable board. I mentioned that, having regard to the report submitted to the Minister by the commission dealing with coursing and track racing generally, it appeared to me that these people who now comprise the standing committee would not be suitable people to have a majority on the board. They have been placed in the dock and have been found guilty of not being able to control their own affairs. The Minister's intention in this Bill is to put them back into office, although he admitted that there were cases of malpractice, of neglect of duty covering greyhound racing, sales of [526] dogs, and so forth. If the section inserted by the Minister were accepted by the House, it would mean that we were legislating for these people and condoning all that has been wrong, or that is believed to have been wrong, in the past by reappointing them to take complete control of greyhound racing.


The industry deserves better than that. If there is to be a board to control the industry, the most that these people would be entitled to would be three of the six. The Labour amendment states more specifically than our amendment that the other three members could be selected from breeders, bookmakers and any other parties. It would be very wrong to agree that the four members of the standing committee should be appointed in that way. I know that the representatives of the standing committee were very anxious that they should get a majority. I have had discussions with them on one or two occasions. It was one of their very strong points that they should have four of the seven who would be appointed to the board. That is tantamount to giving them complete control again. Having regard to the condemnation by the commission set up to investigate the greyhound industry generally, I do not believe that that should be the case.

Minister for Agriculture (Mr. Dillon): 

Perhaps I had better say a word on Deputy Ormonde's amendment, as moved by Deputy Walsh, in order to clarify the position. We covered most of this ground in the course of our discussion yesterday.

Mr. Briscoe: 

Oh, no. We did not. The Minister did.

Mr. Walsh: 

We did not.

Mr. Briscoe: 

We were perfectly in order on this side yesterday.

Mr. Dillon: 

I am not querying anything. I am merely seeking to explain to Deputies that the considerations envisaged yesterday largely apply to the issue joined here. I want to point out to Deputy Walsh that, while it is true that the report substantially found that many matters required reform, the [527] historical reason for that is just as well known to Deputy Walsh as it is to me.


The executive of the Irish Coursing Club was originally established in 1916 to deal with relatively simple matters arising out of the administration of coursing matches in rural Ireland, breeding and the keeping of the stud book associated with that sport. There then arose, about 1920, an entirely new set of circumstances, arising out of greyhound racing and, in reference to the control of that new and, at the time, relatively trivial branch of the sport, there was a complete vacuum; there was no control board and the executive of the Irish Coursing Club, I think rather reluctantly, consented to undertake control of it. Nobody foreseeing at that time the magnitude of the problem that would arise in the administration of such an industry as greyhound racing, the plain truth is they never had adequate powers to deal with it.

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

They took the powers.

Mr. Dillon: 

They tried to adapt the constitution they had to the entirely new circumstances created by greyhound racing. Deputy Mrs. O'Carroll feels that they took the powers, but the problem was that they had not power to take powers adequate to deal with so powerful and influential a vested interest as greyhound racing became, and it is because adequate powers are wanted that this Bill is before the House. If the Irish Coursing Club were functioning satisfactorily and had the power to do what required to be done and had the sanction of the authority of the Oireachtas to enforce the regulations that were necessary, the necessity for this Bill would never have arisen.


I have emphasised repeatedly in the House that I am not looking for power for myself, or any successor in the office of Minister for Agriculture, to run the greyhound racing industry. What I am trying to do is get an agreed measure which will give a board truly representative of the whole industry effective power to run the industry [528] right. If they do not use it, there is nothing we can do about it. I am not going to run the greyhound industry; they have got to run it themselves; and what I am asking Oireachtas Éireann to do is to give them the power to run it.


Why go on pouring contumely on a body of perfectly decent men and making observations suggesting that these men were in the dock. That is not true. The situation that grew out of the circumstances in which these men found themselves was under inquiry and was found to be unsatisfactory under the same historical background. I should like to say that I do not see how any 21 men could do better than they did. They had not the power necessary to control the very powerful vested interests which, it is suggested, they should have controlled.

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

Would the Minister define “vested interests”?

Mr. A. Barry: 

Greyhound racing.

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

Which aspect of it?

Mr. A. Barry: 

The tracks.

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

Or the Irish Coursing Club.

Mr. Dillon: 

When you have a body of men dealing with small coursing clubs throughout the country, the members of which have friends and acquaintances on the Irish Coursing Club, it is a very simple thing to control the sport. The rules required are very few, easily enforced; but when an organisation is set up to do that limited job and finds itself suddenly called upon to enforce a whole code of rules against a great industry such as the greyhound industry became, I know they were not able to do the job. If I had thought they were, I would not have troubled the Oireachtas with this Bill. Deputy Walsh has said he agreed he had in contemplation a Bill of this kind because he found that the powers requisite to deal with the greyhound industry as it is now——

Mr. Walsh: 

Not as it is now.

[529]Mr. Dillon: 

——to deal with the industry as it is now were far different from the powers appropriate for the control of the industry——

Mr. Walsh: 

That is very questionable.

Mr. Dillon: 

That is my reading of the situation. This whole issue boils down to this: is Oireachtas Éireann going to establish a different principle in relation to the greyhound industry to control that industry from that which it established when it passed legislation setting up the Racing Board?

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

Two different types of industry.

Mr. Dillon: 

When the Horse Racing Board was established, the Turf Club and the National Hunt Club of that day said: “We require a majority on this Racing Board.” The Turf Club and the National Hunt Club never submitted any of their members for election by anybody. They are a self-perpetuating body who co-operate with whomever they like. The Oireachtas gave them that authority.

Mr. McGrath: 

We heard all this last night.

Mr. Dillon: 

That is exactly what I am saying. I am going over the same ground on which Deputy Briscoe rebuked me. The Oireachtas gave them that authority. Now we have a board here, the executive of the Irish Coursing Club, with the following names: B. Rahill, P.J. Henehan, T. Aherne, J.D. Bruton—the Lord have mercy on him—J.M.Collins, J.P. Frost, P.P. Coffey, C. Murphy, Rev. W. Dowling, P.P., Rev. E. O'Flanagan, P.P., M.J. Mulhall, James Clarke, P.J. Cox.

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

The Minister left out one name, that of Arthur Morris.

Mr. Dillon: 

And I am asked to say I will not give these people exactly the same authority as Oireachtas Eireann thought it proper in an earlier measure to give to the horse racing people.

Mr. Walsh: 

No, no.

[530]Mr. Dillon: 

These are my findings, and the people whose names I have read out are eminently respected citizens of this country who have every right to every respect, but they are not my kind of people. I have, however, got what I expected from my kind of people. They have said: “We agree that even though he will choose four of us from the original 21, we think we should go to election in a democratic way and if we are not elected in that way, off we go.”

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

So the Minister has discussed this with these people already?

Mr. Dillon: 

Of course I have.

Mr. Briscoe: 

With the Irish Coursing Club people?

Mr. Dillon: 

Yes, but is there anything wrong in this? These people have said they are not making the claim to authority that the Racing Board people made—the claim that the Turf Club and the National Hunt Committee made. My kind of people said: “All we ask for is that the executive of the Irish Coursing Club have four out of seven, but we agree that a condition of that is that all the candidates will submit themselves to election at the hands of the coursing clubs and the tracks of the several provinces, and, if we are not elected in that way, we will cease to be members of the board.”

Mr. S. Collins: 

They still have a perpetuity of four

Mr. Dillon: 

And should they not have, if they are elected members of the industry by the industry? If they are elected in a democratic way in the several provinces in fair proportion to the number of clubs and tracks in the provinces, should they not have that right?

Mr. S. Collins: 

The Minister is not then giving this Oireachtas the right to take its own views as to whether the practice is right or wrong.

Mr. Dillon: 

I do not want to put on our own people the public slight of saying that you cannot get, out of that [531] list I have read out, four honest men, whereas the Oireachtas was willing to bind itself to give the authority to the Turf Club and the National Hunt Club.

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

On a point of order, nobody has suggested that these men are not honourable men.

An Ceann Comhairle: 

That is a point of fact; not a point of order.

Mr. Dillon: 

All I am asking the Oireachtas to say is that in the first choice of the list of persons I have read out, it is my duty to find four honest men. That is all, with the additional reservation that they must be not only four honest men, but four representative men. Even though they be men of the highest integrity, if, when they go to their clubs and tracks for election, they do not get elected, they cease to be members of the board. Is that an unreasonable requisition to make? The requisition is that I shall be constrained to choose four honest and representative persons to go on this Racing Board. That is all, and I do urgently and strongly press on my colleagues here that I should not be asked to sponsor the proposition that what we previously unanimously conceded to the Racing Board, at the instance of the then Minister for Finance, now President of the State, we would withhold from these people for no better reason than that they are our kind of people and that the others were not. Is there any Deputy in this House who will say deliberately that it is impossible, out of that 21, to find four honest men?

Mr. S. Collins: 

That is not the issue.

Mr. Dillon: 

Of course, it is that, out of that list, I should be allowed to pick four honest members within two and a half years who would submit themselves for election. That is the whole issue.

Mr. McGrath: 

I am afraid that the Minister does not know anything at all about this business.

Mr. Briscoe: 

He knows an awful lot that he does not pretend to know.

Mr. McGrath: 

I said the Irish Coursing Club had enough power. Is not [532] the whole cause of all the trouble that they had too much power?

Mr. Walsh: 

Hear, hear!

Mr. McGrath: 

Are we all not very well aware of the fact that the register of litters contained the names of dogs that were never bred when greyhound racing started in England 30 years ago? Pedigrees were given to dogs and nobody knew where these dogs were born. Everybody is well aware that dogs without pedigrees were bought and sold across channel with pedigrees that had been dug up for them. Many people bought dogs for £1 or 30/-, and had pedigrees found for these dogs. Surely the Minister does not think we are all fools. That has been going on all the time, and, as far as I can see, the Minister does not know anything about it. People that were opposed to the Irish Coursing Club at that time eventually became members of the Irish Coursing Club themselves and everything was all right for them, but I happened to be chairman of the Cork Greyhound Racing Association for a good while before the Minister became interested in greyhounds and I know a lot of difficulties arose and a lot of things were done simply because the Irish Coursing Club had too much power.

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

There have been a lot of repetitious speeches on this Bill and all of them on the same lines. I believe it is on Section 9 that the whole success or failure of this Bill depends, that is the section dealing with the constitution of the new control board for the greyhound industry. I shall not go over the ground covered by the Opposition or by the Minister, except to take up two points in the Minister's speech. He said that his main anxiety—and I do not doubt it—was that the board would be truly representative and I am afraid he is relying on his own omniscience in the selection of the men and feels that he himself will be able to select four people from the 21.


As the section stands it seems even more dangerous. It states:—


“Of whom not less than four shall be members of the standing committee of the club.”


[533] But if that section were left unchanged, we could reach the stage where the whole six would be composed of the Irish Coursing Club. That is one reason why we have put down this amendment, (a) to ensure that at no time would it be possible for them to have full control of the Racing Board and (b) to diminish the amount of power being given to them by the Minister under Section 9, as it now stands.


I could not agree more with the Minister that these names which he mentioned as members of the standing committee are all decent, honourable people. I know most of them individually, but, individually and collectively, you could not find a better body of men, from the point of view of honesty and integrity. I am putting it to the Minister like this: over the years these men have had many other interests and because of that although they are the standing committee of the Irish Coursing Club and entrusted with running the affairs of the Irish Coursing Club, although they are the responsible body, they were not able to give the attention and interest to the day-to-day administration of Irish Coursing Club affairs that was required, and for that reason, as time went on, all the responsibility and all the powers were gradually centred in Clonmel. I am not satisfied that, if the board is constituted in accordance with the proposals the Minister has outlined, that power will not still be left in Clonmel. That is the danger as I see it.


While much credit must go to the people in Clonmel who originally gave the infant industry the necessary support, encouragement and organisation, at the risk of being platitudinous I would say: “All power corrupts and great power corrupts greatly,” because the Irish Coursing Club standing committee, through the Clonmel control, has certainly corrupted the greyhound industry and certainly did not act in the interests of the small dog owners and small breeders. Things became so bad a few years ago that the Greyhound Owners' Association was formed to counteract the influence exerted by Clonmel. The association tried to issue its own newspaper to refute the Clonmel people, but unfortunately [534] the association consisted of only the small “doggy” men to whom the greyhound industry was a sport and a means of making extra money. Unfortunately, the Clonmel people had more money and more power, and a more powerful paper, and the greyhound owners, as such, had to fade out of existence.


I understood this commission was set up to go into the whole question of the dog business, with a view to putting this very important and potential export industry on a very firm and sound basis. That, I think, was the intention of the Minister. That was the intention of the committee investigating and it is also what we all hoped would emerge in this Bill, as a result of that report. If Section 9 is amended as I suggest it should be in my amendment, I could almost say every other section of the Bill would then go through possibly without any bother, because it all hinges on the reconstitution of that board on proper lines.


I would ask the Minister to consider this, that, having regard to the fact that since that report was issued some time has elapsed, and it was only after the lapse of time the Bill was given its present form, but the committee of the Irish Coursing Club, or Clonmel controlling interest—for want of a better term—was well aware of the recommendations contained in that report and also well aware that the Bill would be based on that report. Yet, in spite of that, instead of pulling up its socks and turning up its sleeves and getting down at that stage to trying to do something decent for the industry, no such action was taken. It appears they did not consider doing that; they had no ideas; they were lax and did not care what form the vote would take; they felt their power was not going to be touched.


I wonder if the Minister knows that there was some months ago a demand for greyhounds for Italy from this country. Any body controlling an association which would get a demand like that and which would have the interests of its members at heart would immediately circularise dog owners and coursing interests in the country and tell them that there was [535] a demand in the Italian market for Irish greyhounds and so give these men a chance to make more money. That did not happen, although this report was issued and the Bill was in the process of being drafted. Instead, the Clonmel section went around the country and bought up the dogs themselves at not very high prices, took them to Italy themselves and sold them at very enhanced prices. I ask the Minister, in view of that instance which is indisputable, does he still believe that he will be able to pick four honourable men who will control the industry in the best interests of the industry?

Mr. Dillon: 

Does the Deputy know the end of the Italian transaction?

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

I know that two lots of greyhounds went to Italy.

Mr. Dillon: 

Does the Deputy know if they were ever paid for?

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

Surely the Minister is not going to quibble with me over that?

Mr. Dillon: 

That is a very important part of the transaction.

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

I am quite certain, if they were not paid for, that these people were well compensated for their losses. I am quite certain they did not lose anything.

Mr. Dillon: 

I am merely asking the Deputy a question.

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

And I am asking the Minister, in view of the practice indulged in when the small dog owners, breeders and members of coursing clubs were not informed that such a chance was going——

Mr. Dillon: 

Maybe they were very lucky.

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

That could be. But that does not get away from the principle involved. I would again ask the Minister to accept our amendment which is possibly a little more drastic than Deputy Ormonde's. We ask that not more than two shall be members of [536] the standing committee and that the remaining four shall consist of two prominent breeders, one bookmaker and one greyhound track representative. I want to ensure that the club members will not have control. I think the two prominent breeders or owners should also be on that board. It might not be possible to get them from a representative body, but I am quite certain that the minutes or records of the old greyhound association are available and if these were given to the Minister, he could then use his omniscience to select names from them.


I think also the bookmakers are entitled to representation on that board. They give a good deal of employment and employ assistants who depend for their living on that employment. They do a lot of indirect bookkeeping for the Government and they are entitled to have their interests safeguarded. I am not satisfied that the Minister could honestly feel that he would have any truly representative board without having all sections of the industry on it. As a matter of fact I am only sorry that we cannot provide representation on that board for the punters, but I know that that is impossible. We must not give control to the standing committee of the Irish Coursing Club and we must include on that board bookmakers, dog breeders, trainers and such.


The Minister has talked about the rules used by the Irish Coursing Club over the years. I am sure the Minister has the rule book before him and, if he has not, I have it here. There are about 155 of these rules, but there was no one ever to enforce them, except the people in Clonmel. The rule book did not matter; whatever suited the people in Clonmel was what mattered. All sorts of rules were broken from time to time to suit Clonmel.


I am quite convinced that, unless the Minister changes the representation on the board and reduces the majority given to the Irish Coursing Club, the status quo will be maintained. The trouble with these State or semi-State bodies is that, when a Bill goes through this House, they can be managed or mismanaged, and we [537] cannot even ask a question in this House about them. I would ask the Minister to consider this amendment with a view to accepting it.

Mr. S. Collins: 

I do not accept for a moment that the issue raised in this amendment is whether or not it is possible to get four honest men from a list of 21 men. I can see that it is quite possible to get a far more extensive number than four from that list, but the issue is a simple one. It is whether or not the House considers that the control of this new greyhound industry board should be granted in perpetuity to the Irish Coursing Club. That is the issue and not the personality or integrity of the individuals. I am approaching the question in that way.


I am not going to argue that a very strong case cannot be made by the Minister that the control should be in the Irish Coursing Club, but I am going to ask the Minister if he can adduce any argument to convince me that, on the merits of the Irish Coursing Club, that body should be given control in perpetuity of the industry. I am acknowledging without question that every one of these 21 men is an honourable man and properly elected to this body, but the Minister himself has admitted that there are four substantial interests connected with this industry. He himself has said that these four interests consist of the coursing club, the racetrack owners, the breeders and the bookmakers. I am putting the rhetorical question to the Minister, why, on this small board, he chooses not to give representation to one of those four primarily interested bodies?

Mr. Dillon: 

Which body?

Mr. S. Collins: 

The bookmakers.

Mr. Dillon: 

There is nothing in the Bill to prevent me giving them representation.

Mr. S. Collins: 

Why does not the Minister give me an assurance here that they will get representation?

[538]Mr. Dillon: 

They would have got that assurance, if they had not acted up the way they did.

Mr. S. Collins: 

I am not interested in the way they acted up.

Mr. Dillon: 

Neither am I, but even though they acted improperly, I have no reason to dissent from Deputy Collins' proposition that interests such as the bookmakers' should have representation on the board, on the same principle as representation was conceded to them on the Racing Board. But for their acting up as they have been doing, that could have been said sooner.

Mr. S. Collins: 

I take it that the Minister has some very cogent reasons to adduce as to why control in perpetuity should be vested in the Irish Coursing Club. If he has, I have not yet heard them. I want to say this. The Minister is drawing the parallel that, some number of years ago, when the Racing Board was set up, a certain practice was established. I am not going into a discussion on the question of who are the nominal members of the Turf Club or of the National Hunt Club, but I am going to say this, that were I in the House then, there would not have been unanimity in giving control in perpetuity to such a body.


My approach to it is this: if there is a case that can be made why control in perpetuity should be given over to a body that has already proved itself unsatisfactory in the running of its own affairs, I will accept that without question, but my view is that the control board in this whole instance is too numerically low altogether. Seven is a very small number. Of necessity, a quorum for a meeting of that board will be substantially smaller. I am going to approach this question completely differently from the way in which both Fianna Fáil and the Labour Party approach it, because my belief is that, if you can get willing co-operation between the people who will ultimately be concerned in the fruitful functioning of this industry, you will have an impetus that will give it a reasonable prospect of success. I feel that, if you are [539] going to start off by virtually irretrievably hampering these other interests, you will start a board, the motto of which will be: “Do as I say”, and not “Do as I do”.


These amendments and the section they purport to amend are the real kernel of the whole Bill. The Minister comes in here, and, with his command of language, purports to put a certain point of view. In emphatic support of that, he has, to my mind, stood on a premise which is completely untenable, because the issue in this section is not in any way connected with individual members of any lists. The issue involved in the section is purely one of determining where the control in perpetuity is going to be under the new board to be set up to control the greyhound industry.


Let the Minister not think that I am against him on the issue as to who the controller might ultimately be, but I want to get the issue clear first before arguing it. The Bill lays down that not less than four will be members of the Irish Coursing Club. Let me be frank. I do not envisage the difficulties which my colleague, Deputy Mrs. O'Carroll, envisages, that ultimately the number might be six, with an independent chairman, but I do envisage that it would be quite within the competence of this small, omnipotent, controlling body to manipulate meetings and everything else in connection with the board to suit the convenience of the majority. That might often lead to the exercise of anything but fair judgment in relation to certain problems.


I would urge upon the Minister not to accept these amendments but to get down to the real purpose, aided by the views drawn from the common pool of our genuine interest, and do something that will, in the ultimate analysis, be effective and good. This is something that between now and the Report Stage of the Bill could be approached in a far less acrimonious and more practical way. My own personal feeling on this section, dealing with the matter in globo, is that the design of the board is too small and that, in the ultimate analysis, the quorum required to constitute it as an authoritative [540] body will be too small and that we are narrowing the thing down too much to a totalitarian control.


The Racing Board has a larger number, if the Minister wants to draw analogies. It has an infinitely less number of meetings, engagements and everything else under its control. We know the value of the horse-breeding industry to this country and we know the number of race meetings. Has the Minister and his Department got down to the question of equating the matter of coursing and dog racing fixtures vis-á-vis racing? How is it that a Bill can envisage an infinitely smaller body than the Racing Board to exercise control over this widely dispersed form of sport?


This is a problem worth resolving in a cool, calm, reasoned atmosphere. I do not know whether the Minister is very keen on dog racing or coursing, or whether he has attended any of these meetings, but looking at the industry in a straightforward manner, on the basis of the number of dog tracks, coursing fixtures, open coursing fixtures and the various types of fixtures within the control of this new board, it would appear to me that it would require, if anything, a bigger board to try to manage the affairs of dog racing and the greyhound industry generally than to look after horse racing.


It was said in argument that the Irish Coursing Club up to now had not the powers to enforce certain things. Let me disillusion the Minister to this extent. Even if this Bill is passed, as the Minister sees it now, you are ultimately going to find yourselves with this Bill law and many of the powers that would be necessary for the enforcement of decisions will still not be there.


We are all aware of what happened once the Reilly-Conyngham Club case was decided on the horse racing side of the industry. The resolution of certain problems was shelved. Nobody has been sufficiently courageous in the greyhound section to try something on a similar line, so that I will put this point of view to the Minister. There are wide fields that neither himself nor his advisers have cottoned on to at all [541] within the concept of this industry. Now is the time, before we pass control over to a board, to make sure that we are passing it over in a way that will be fair to the various sections that make their living therefrom.


Finally, if there is some cogent reason other than a bad precedent of the Racing Board with its perpetuity of control for the Turf Club and National Hunt Club and if there is something that compels the Minister irretrievably to plump for control of this body to lie in the Irish Coursing Club, I should be very glad to hear it and to support the Minister, if that reason carries conviction, but I think the Minister could, no matter how truant he may have thought some elements to be, at this stage of the discussion, give us a fair and frank indication of the interests he will have represented on the board, as well as the Irish Coursing Club. If he did that, a lot of the discussion might evaporate.

Mr. Briscoe: 

We are discussing amendments Nos. 3 and 4 together. Deputy Walsh pointed out that, while we moved amendment No. 3, amendment No. 4 by the Labour Party is, in fact, more explicit. If the Minister indicated that he was prepared to accept the Labour amendment, I am sure there would be no great disagreement between us then. But the Minister has not given any indication other than that he proposes to stand rigidly for the section as it appears in the Bill.


Yesterday, the Minister admitted quite frankly that there were at least four distinct interests and, when asked to tell us what these four interests were, he gave them to us. Now, at least three of these interests, to take it mildly, should be equal to the interest of the Irish Coursing Club. Obviously, the Minister would not have introduced the Bill with the section as it is if he either did not believe or wanted us to believe that he believed that the interest of the Irish Coursing Club on its own was far greater than all the other three interests put together. I disagree with that point of view. From the historical aspect, as outlined, it is true that subsequent to the establishment here of a separate, [542] controlled body for coursing, greyhound racing in the ordinary greyhound racetrack developed and has now in my opinion become, from the point of view of value as an interest, if not equal to then certainly not less as an interest to the nation than coursing itself.


The Minister talked about the difficulty of exercising powers by the Irish Coursing Club. The Irish Coursing Club, as Deputy Mrs. O'Carroll has pointed out, has been using its powers very extensively. The greyhound racing tracks in this country are under licence to the Irish Coursing Club. There are many groups who wanted to license a new greyhound track but could not because of the rules of the Irish Coursing Club and their authority to decide whether they could or could not and if, in fact, they did open up, they would not be very successful. So much for that.


The Minister says he wants this board to be truly representative of the whole industry. These are his words. I am saying to the Minister that if he adds up the industry, by taking each of the four interests separately, he will find that the Irish Coursing Club certainly does not qualify for four-sixths or, in fact, for two-thirds of the control of the whole representative industry of the nation. The Minister, I think, has not briefed himself very well when he uses the argument that he is basing this on what Deputy Collins rightly pointed out was a bad precedent. I agree with the proposition that Deputy Collins has put to the House. We are not at this moment in our discussion reflecting whatsoever on the membership of the standing committee of the Irish Coursing Club.

Mr. Dillon: 

Tell Deputy MacEntee that.

Mr. Briscoe: 

I am talking about our discussion here. However, the Minister is putting the qualifications and the integrity of these people to the test and wants to make that the issue.

Mr. Fagan: 

And rightly so. They were elected by all the coursing clubs in Ireland.

[543]Mr. MacEntee: 

They are not. If the Deputy will read the report of the advisory committee——

Mr. Briscoe: 

Deputy Fagan can make his own speech whenever he feels like it. The issue here is a principle. When the Minister reads out 21 names, can he give us a guarantee that if there are changes in election to the standing committee, he will still call them his type of people? How does he know what the future will produce? Surely the industry as a whole and all the interests concerned are entitled to a guarantee, in legislation we pass here, that a monopoly situation in relation to any one group is not to be perpetuated?


He talked about the Racing Board. If the Minister had said: “There is the ordinary coursing side of this. If you like, add to it, the breeding, and so forth, but there is also the greyhound track side. Added to that, if you like, there is the bookmaking side of it”: if there were two groups, as there are in the horse racing, and if he had said: “Let the other interest set up a body of their own. Let them elect a standing committee and, from the two standing committees of the two distinct groups, we will have a Racing Board”, I could understand him. But, throughout, this savours very much of the circular that the Irish Coursing Club sent out and in this circular, which was produced by this body and sent to members of this House, amongst others, are some of the following extracts. It states:—


“It is untrue to say that the Greyhound Industry Bill was introduced against the wishes of the Irish Coursing Club. The Irish Coursing Club, in fact, took the initiative.”


Now, they say this—and when this comes from them, we must have some regard to it:—


“The Irish Coursing Club has a certain legal status and legal rights and it is extremely doubtful if even Dáil Éireann can ride rough-shod over them.”


This is what they say to us—the people to whom the Minister wants to give control for the benefit of everybody concerned. It—the Irish Coursing [544] Club—is resigned to having some of the authority transferred to a new body, but the Irish Coursing Club is constitutionally entitled to a voice in setting the limits of transfer of authority. Surely to goodness, if that is their approach to it, we might as well say: “Leave things as they are. They have the authority and they are only submitting to the transfer of certain limited bits of their authority to this board, but they are indicating that they are retaining the authority and, no matter what Dáil Éireann does, it does not concern them.”


May I also point out to the Minister that, in his own explanatory memorandum which he sent to members of Dáil Éireann with the Bill—this is his own explanatory note, such as accompanies most Bills—we read:—


“The provision in Section 9 that four of the seven members of the board should be appointed by the Minister from among the members of the standing/executive committee of the club was not recommended by the advisory committee,...”


—was not recommended—


“—but is analogous to the provision in the 1945 Act that six of the 11 members of the Racing Board for horses should be members of the Irish Turf Club....”


I think everybody who has spoken on this matter has exploded that particular approach sky-high. It does not arise; it is not relevant. Even if the Minister himself wants to examine what he said yesterday, he will find he is flogging a horse in this race that he is not prepared to ride. He ridiculed this group yesterday. They are not his type—“not my type of people”. These 21 are on the Irish Coursing Club, but, nevertheless, it suits him to try and bring it in here as if anybody would accept it. He goes on then to explain all about the transitional period; that does not arise here. Now the Minister has heard Deputy S. Collins from his own side of the House. He has heard Deputy Mrs. O'Carroll speaking on behalf of the Labour Party. He has heard us on this side of the House. He has heard a majority opinion of the House on this section. [545] He has been talking about the truly democratic body he wants to see emerge: let him at least behave in this House in a truly democratic manner.


We are speaking here with one voice, those of us who are concerned about this Section 9. If the Minister wants this Bill to be a success from the point of view of leaving this House as an Act which will help the industry in time to come, he will have to indicate here acceptance of one or other of these amendments, preferably of the amendment tabled by the Labour Party. Deputy S. Collins says he does not believe either of these amendments is the answer to the problem and he would like to hear some suggestion emerge on the Fourth Stage. I was hoping that Deputy S. Collins would give us an idea as to what better suggestion he could make other than either of these two amendments.

Mr. S. Collins: 

I will do so later.

Mr. Briscoe: 

If the Deputy would indicate it now, it might help.

Mr. MacEntee: 

Why not shed his wisdom now?

Mr. Briscoe: 

There might be even more unanimity. The Deputy agrees, as we all do, that Section 9, as drafted, is not the proper way to approach this matter.

Mr. S. Collins: 

I think the board is far too small.

Mr. Briscoe: 

That may be another way of approaching the matter, but we are all agreed that, whatever the size of the board, there shall not be a monopoly for one particular section over all the rest. When we were considering this amendment, we thought of all these things, and I believe we have some amendments in relation to some of the points raised here by Deputy S. Collins as to the number which shall constitute a quorum, the arrangements for meetings and so forth. That was something that struck everybody.


It is suggested here that refusal to accept the control of the Irish Coursing [546] Club over this new body is a reflection on the individuals who constitute the standing committee. May I point out to the Minister what the Irish Coursing Club thought about their critics? I do not know whether the Irish Coursing Club wants protection in this Bill, but I do know they want protection against something which was touched on by Deputy Collins; if they warn somebody off, they want to be free, as far as they are concerned, from any possible legal action subsequently. They say in their circular that they were “aggrieved because the proceedings of the advisory committee were held in camera. The Irish Coursing Club representatives were asked to attend a second time, and there is hardly a single page of the report that does not reflect in some way on the club and its members.” That is the advisory committee which the Minister set up and in relation to which he selected the personnel to examine into this matter; that is the committee which produced these reflections on the Irish Coursing Club and its members. What is most extraordinary is that some of the most outspoken members of the Irish Coursing Club themselves “were at one time warned off or suspended under the rules of the Irish Coursing Club.”

Mr. MacEntee: 

For what purpose? Warned off because they criticised the standing committee.

Mr. Briscoe: 

They say you must not accept their evidence against us because we warned them off, and they do not say why they were warned off. Here is the body to whom we are supposed to give absolute control now of a most valuable industry, affecting the livelihoods of a great many people, apart altogether from its value to the nation. These are the people who convict themselves by admitting publicly that the advisory committee set up by the Minister found them guilty of certain misconduct; and they say that there is hardly a page in the report that does not reflect in some way on the club and its members.


Are we to take it that the Minister set up this advisory committee to throw mud at the Irish Coursing Club [547] and its members, or are we to take it that the members of this advisory committee did their work honestly and produced a factual report, to which they now take exception? And notwithstanding this report of the advisory committee, the Minister says now, as Deputy Mrs. O'Carroll said: “Clonmel has had control and Clonmel will continue to have control.” I wonder will the Minister see reason.

Mr. S. Collins: 

I would like the Deputy to develop that. How is Clonmel to have control and keep control? I want to be convinced of that.

Mr. Briscoe: 

I said Deputy Mrs. O'Carroll said that Clonmel has control at the moment and that it will continue to have control. Perhaps Deputy Collins might consult Deputy Mrs. O'Carroll. I am only quoting what she said.

Mr. S. Collins: 

I only want to be convinced by somebody that that is so.

Mr. Briscoe: 

The Deputy has stated that he does not want a majority of the Irish Coursing Club controlling the board to be set up under this Bill.

Mr. S. Collins: 

I did not say that. I said I wanted to be convinced of some reason as to why they should have a majority in perpetuity.

Mr. Briscoe: 

I see. We are trying to give the reasons why they should not have a majority. We are not approaching this in a negative manner. We are approaching it in a positive manner. The Deputy is now stepping out from the railway lines he followed when he was speaking and he is now taking a negative attitude.

Mr. S. Collins: 

No. I never stepped out.

Mr. Briscoe: 

But the Deputy is stepping out now.

Mr. S. Collins: 

Deputy Briscoe had better read my speech.

Mr. Briscoe: 

I have heard the Deputy's speech—it is quite clear in my mind—and I was paying due credit to the Deputy for the line he took. Now it is coming to the time when we [548] must decide the issue and we will have to go into the division lobbies, and the Deputy is taking the line that the Minister has not proved home that this is necessary. The Minister has tried to prove to the best of his ability that this is necessary. He has used every possible argument to substantiate his case, but none of his arguments has impressed itself on those of us who hold a different view. The Deputy is asking for something which is impossible. Perhaps it might satisfy him in his subsequent decision on this issue.


Does the Minister not now realise that there is some substance in what has been said to him in support of these amendments? Or does he consider what has been said as of no significance and not worth being considered by him in any event? I can tell him that, if he agrees to recognise the overall position, as he calls it, and if he wants to make this Bill and the board truly representative of the whole industry, he must accept the point of view we are expressing.


There is no use in the Minister wasting the time of the House or wasting the pages of our verbatim reports by reading out again for the fourth time, having read it out twice yesterday, the list of the names of the present standing committee of the Irish Coursing Club. They are not in issue. It is the overall, long-term position that is in issue. The Minister cannot guarantee that, if there are 21 strictly honest men on this standing committee to-day, there will not be 21 different ones at some future date. Let us make provision in legislation that there is a protection beyond, if you like, the elected period of people in office or even the lifetime of an individual. I consequently, at this stage, say I am not at all impressed with a single remark made by the Minister in defence of the wording of the Bill as it stands in Section 9. We will have to hear a great deal more to make us change from the attitude we have adopted.


There are four interests. The Minister mentioned them last night. Has the Minister—as he has indicated a minute ago, I think, in what I thought was a personal conversation [549] between himself and Deputy Collins and which he repeated to us here—now admitted that there must be a position on this board for a representative of the Bookmakers' Association? Is he admitting that or is this particular interest to be left always at the outside of the door coming with their hats in their hands to ask this board with its majority of four Irish Coursing Club members if they can have this, that or the other? I hope—I do not see any of the representatives here now—that the Labour Deputies will press their amendment to a division.

Mr. Dillon: 

I want to deal, if I may, with the specific point made by Deputy Briscoe. It is important that this should be clarified because it becomes more and more difficult to find out what foot Fianna Fáil are standing on. I understood that they objected to the choice of a majority from the executive of the Irish Coursing Club as at present constituted.

Mr. Briscoe: 

Not at all. That is not the point.

Mr. Walsh: 

No. There is no objection to the personnel.

Mr. Dillon: 

Deputy Walsh and Deputy Briscoe say that is not the point. What does Deputy MacEntee say?

Mr. MacEntee: 

I am not going to be cross-examined by the Minister. The Minister is on the defensive.

Mr. Dillon: 

It is quite impossible to know on what leg they are standing. Now it is not the personnel at all that they object to. I want the House to look at column 1645, Volume 153, No. 11, of the Official Debates of 15th December, 1955. I was speaking:—


“One of the conditions pecedent to introducing this legislation was that there should be incorporated in the Schedule to the Bill and submitted to Dáil Éireann a new constitution for the Irish Coursing Club which placed upon them the obligation for a period of two and a half years to secure an executive for the Irish Coursing Club, every single member of which would be democratically [550] elected by the coursing clubs and racetracks in a fair proportion. Is there any other better way in which you can secure democratic control?


Mr. Walsh: No.”

Mr. Walsh: 

Did we not fight that last night for three hours?

Mr. Dillon: 

Wait. Deputy Walsh goes on to say:—


“Do not appoint your board until you have that done.


Mr. Dillon: We are all agreed about that. I think we are all agreed that if you get such a democratically controlled body it is a good thing that they should exercise a predominant influence.


Mr. Briscoe: There is no doubt about that.”

Mr. O'Malley: 

As opposed to a controlling interest.

Mr. Briscoe: 

It does not say “control”. It says “influence”.

Mr. Dillon: 

A predominant influence.

Mr. Briscoe: 

It does not say “control”.

Mr. Dillon: 

If you can tell me what is the difference between a predominant influence and a controlling influence you are a better man that I am. Now the argument is that it does not matter how they are constituted. Fianna Fáil have changed their minds and they think now that, no matter how the Irish Coursing Club is elected, you should not take four from their body.

Mr. Walsh: 

That is right.

Mr. Dillon: 

I want to suggest that the whole aim and object of this legislation is to get the greyhound industry under the control of a board which shall be truly representative of all interests in the greyhound industry. Now there is scheduled to this Bill a new constitution for the Irish Coursing Club——

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

On a point of information. Would the Minister give us [551] his definition of the interests of the greyhound industry?

Mr. Dillon: 

Let me continue. Under that new constitution of the Irish Coursing Club, they must hold elections at each and every racetrack in the country and every coursing club must take part and no coursing club can take part—so as to ensure against the creation of fake or ghost clubs— unless they have had a coursing meeting in the previous 15 months, in electing an executive truly representative of the clubs and the tracks.

Mr. S. Collins: 

That is the way it is done at the moment.

Mr. Dillon: 

No.

Mrs. O'Carroll: 

It is in the rule book.

Mr. Dillon: 

This is a completely new system of election prescribed in the Schedule.

Mr. MacEntee: 

The Deputy cannot read.

Mr. Dillon: 

I want to submit to the House that the proper people to have a majority on the control board of this industry are the representatives of the industry.

Mr. Walsh: 

Agreed.

Mr. Dillon: 

Very well then. Can I now be certain that Deputy Walsh has come down on the side of the proposition that the right people to have a majority on the control board are those who represent the industry?

Mr. Walsh: 

There are four interests in it.

Mr. Dillon: 

Now, he is off again. To keep Deputy Walsh pinned down for two minutes to one proposition is like trying to catch quicksilver or a pig with a fork.

Mr. MacEntee: 

Not one of the Monaghan pigs.

Mr. Dillon: 

I am making the case without equivocation that the right people to have a predominant influence on the board are the democratically [552] elected representatives of those engaged in the industry. I, therefore, propose that, under the new scheduled constitution, such persons shall be elected and that hereafter the Minister for Agriculture in choosing the board will turn to the 21 persons democratically elected and from their number take four. Until these elections have taken place—and they cannot take place until there is a board in existence to supervise their proper conduct—ad interim I propose to take four from the existing board of control, subject to this proviso that seven members of the existing board of control must go for election within six months, seven more within 18 months and seven more within 30 months.

Mr. S. Collins: 

Could the breeders, the racetrack owners and the bookmakers not give you democratically elected people from which to choose?

Mr. Briscoe: 

That is the point.

Mr. Dillon: 

If the Deputy will read the scheduled constitution in this Bill, I think he will find that there is set up machinery to ensure that there will be fair representation for all legitimate interests concerned in this industry. I am submitting to the House that, having got that, ad interim I will choose four from the existing 21, subject to the overriding proviso that they must submit themselves for election and, should they fail to get elected, cease to be members of the board.

Mr. O'Malley: 

Who represents the bookmakers?

Mr. Dillon: 

There are two other appointments to the board, outside these four, which will be used to choose good men, be they representative or not. I did say to Deputy Collins that I believe the precedent of the Racing Board might, with prudence, be followed in that regard and on that board there is representation of the bookmaker. I have always believed that.

Mr. O'Malley: 

. I could not hear the Minister. Will he repeat the part about the Racing Board?

[553]Mr. Dillon: 

I said repeatedly on the Second Stage that I regarded that precedent of the Racing Board to be one which might, with perfect propriety, be followed in respect of this board. The four members chosen from the executive of the Irish Coursing Club are designed to represent the owners, the trackmen and the coursing men. There are two other vacancies which the Minister is supposed to use to complete the board, and there is the chairman.


I could be arguing, I know, with the present mind of Fianna Fáil until the cows come home, and I would not change them. I know that if Deputy Briscoe could get Deputy O'Carroll or Deputy Collins to lead him into the Lobby, he would go trotting in after them in the hope of establishing a rift in this Government. He will not succeed. I want to assure both the Deputies who have spoken from this side of the House that my aim is to get—and that purpose will be achieved under this Bill—a fully democratically representative body on the Racing Board and fair representation upon it for all legitimate interests associated with the industry. They will have to take my word for that.

Mr. S. Collins: 

It could be made very simple if there were any way of giving an assurance that election to the Irish Coursing Club will not mean election of four people representing coursing, as distinct from people representing breeding.

Mr. Dillon: 

The Deputy will have to refer to the Schedule giving the new constitution.

Mr. Fagan: 

I want to bring people's minds back. I had 40 or 50 greyhounds at one time and I registered them in the English Stud Book. I joined the Irish Coursing Club when Mr. Morris and others tried to start the Irish Coursing Stud Book. I have been a member of the Irish Coursing Club since its inception. I attended many meetings of the club. I was the means of starting two or three coursing clubs in Westmeath. I think I was the means of starting about the third part of coursing in all Ireland. My memory goes back a long way.


[554] My impression all along the line was that, in the Irish Coursing Club, the members always tried to run it straight. All the men who met there gave their services free and were keen to run coursing for the love of it. I won stakes. I was the first man to walk a dog into Shelbourne Park. I know what I am talking about. The more we tried to run the Irish Coursing Club straight, when we began to gather in a little money, the more wolves were out to take it from us. Certain associations sprang up that wanted to take control of the Irish Coursing Club. In one case, a man who was leading such an agitation was a man I had warned off for trying to pass me, as slip steward, with a painted dog. That is the sort of thing that we in the Irish Coursing Club had to fight all along the line. When dog racing started, everyone was fighting for his own interest. The value of greyhounds was increasing. Deputy McGrath has referred to the value of pedigrees. It was very hard to curb abuses in that respect, but the Irish Coursing Club did curb them. At present, they have a group of officials that it is very hard to get behind. It is now impossible to produce a false paper in order to register a dog. Some years ago that could be done. A lot of these abuses have been curbed by the action of the Irish Coursing Club. That is why I am solidly behind the Minister in giving the Irish Coursing Club major representation on this new board. This can be changed as time goes on. At present, the Irish Coursing Club is composed of every honest breeder in Ireland. Every coursing club is composed of the local breeders. Everybody knows that the rule of the Irish Coursing Club is that you cannot run a dog at a local meeting unless you are a member of the Irish Coursing Club. Therefore, the Irish Coursing Club is composed of the men who breed the dogs. Every one of these clubs sends two members every year to a meeting of the Irish Coursing Club and, from them and other parties, the board is composed. It is just and right that the Irish Coursing Club should have four on the board, because they represent the backbone of the industry, the small farmer who breeds dogs.


[555] I have listened to Deputy Briscoe and I have attended meetings of the Irish Coursing Club. I heard such speeches as his from those who were trying to get the grip. The Minister is going to stop that. In a year or two, he may have an honest, right and proper Racing Board to look after this matter. I would ask that the Irish Coursing Club be given full representation on this board, so that it may continue its work for the industry.

Mr. MacEntee: 

The Minister for Agriculture seems to be in a bit of a fog. He wants to know what leg Fianna Fáil stands on. It stands, as it always stood, on the principle that it does not want corruption in public life or corruption in sport. If ever there was a Bill designed to perpetuate corruption and to give something to those responsible for corruption, this Bill is.

Mr. Dillon: 

Is Deputy Walsh listening to this?

Mr. MacEntee: 

It is time the Minister stopped his talk about throwing mud, because after all, I did not set up this advisory committee. I did not try to influence its findings; I did not give evidence before it; and I did not sign its report. But Deputy Barry, sitting behind the Minister, did and Mr. Peter P. Wilkinson, well known to the Minister for Finance, did. If the Minister wants to know on what leg we are standing, I shall tell him. It is on the leg that we want to see the conclusions of the advisory committee taken seriously by the Minister for Agriculture, and we want to clean out of this board, and we want to clean out of the industry the widespread corruption which the Minister's own inquisition found existed there.


Let the Minister not talk about throwing mud. This is a public document, issued by the Minister for Agriculture himself. It is the report of the advisory committee on the greyhound industry. Let us read from its pages. These are not my conclusions. As I say, I was not there and I am taking the words of the Minister's nominees that the statements in this printed document as published by the [556] Minister himself are well founded. What do they say on page 11? I shall give the references and any person who cares to may check for himself. In paragraph 20 of the report, there appears the statement—this is not throwing mud, except such mud as Deputy Barry and Mr. Peter P. Wilkinson and the other chosen nominees of the Minister themselves have made:—


“Although the object of having a duplicate card in the custody of the Irish Coursing Club is obviously to provide that the two cards should at all times correspond; in other words, that any records of the dog's performance entered on the owner's card should as soon as possible appear on the duplicate card, adequate steps to achieve this are not taken.”


“Adequate steps are not taken to achieve this.” Upon whom does the responsibility rest to see that adequate steps are taken to ensure that the cards truthfully and accurately record performances of the dogs? Who, but the standing committee of the Irish Coursing Club to whom the Minister for Agriculture is about to hand over the control of the whole greyhound industry in Ireland. In their report, the committee went on to talk about the results:—


“The result is that cases have occurred where record of a dog's performance, entered on the original card, has been falsified and difficulty has been experienced in providing evidence of such falsification.”


That appears on page 11, in paragraph 20, of the Minister's own official document. And yet he talks about throwing mud, when one with a knowledge of the background and circumstances which this Bill is designed to cover up, as I believe now, tries to expose the insincerity and the hypocrisy of the Minister in his dealing with this Bill. On page 12, in paragraph 21, there appears a statement as follows:—


“A reference was made in paragraph 13 to the substitution of copies.


We have been informed that inasmuch as a period of 16 months from [557] the date of birth may, and usually does lapse, before a litter or any member of it is seen by a recognised official of the Irish Coursing Club, there is very grave danger of substitution of puppies and that in fact frequent cases of substitution occur.”

Mr. Fagan: 

That is not so now.

Mr. MacEntee: 

We have all seen copies of a document circulated to the members of this Dáil, obviously issued by some person representing the Irish Coursing Club, which challenges Dáil Éireann to try to legislate to clean up this industry. But that is only by the way. I want to get back to the paragraph which has been quoted. The paragraph reads on:—


“It is almost inevitable that some mortality takes place amongst puppies in the early weeks of their lives. Cases are apparently not unknown where the litter was replenished from other litters possibly bred from mediocre parents.”


We have heard a statement by Deputy McGrath to which my friend on the Government side, Deputy Fagan, has subscribed——

Mr. Fagan: 

That does not hold good any longer.

Mr. A. Barry: 

He owns a few now himself.

Mr. MacEntee: 

In paragraph 22 the following statement appears:—


“We are satisfied that the present regulations, as described in the foregoing, offer considerable scope for abuse into a small minority of unscrupulous breeders, mainly because of the fact that definite identification marks are not placed on an animal until it is 16 months old. More than one witness was in favour of ineradicable tattoo markings at a much earlier stage and a maximum age of eight weeks was suggested. In support of this recommendation, it was pointed out that the introduction of outside puppies into a litter of puppies eight weeks old could scarcely fail to be detected by an experienced official of the Irish [558] Coursing Club, whereas at 16 months, and even at four months, such identification would be much more difficult.”


It is quite true that there were veterinary grounds to object to that.

Mr. Dillon: 

Go on and finish the paragraph.

Mr. MacEntee: 

In any event——

Mr. Dillon: 

Finish the paragraph. If you want to throw mud, throw it honestly.

Mr. MacEntee: 

We do not forget Messrs. Maximo & Morris, and the Minister had better not forget that. If the Minister does not mend his hand and try to meet the legitimate objections we have in this House to this Bill, there will be some other disclosures before this debate ends. I was saying——

Mr. Dillon: 

I thought you would drop dead before you would mention Maximo before this House.

Mr. MacEntee: 

I said there were strong and valid reasons——

Mr. Dillon: 

You were the people who brought him to the President's house.

An Leas-Cheann Comhairle: 

Order! Deputy MacEntee, on the section.

Mr. Dillon: 

But did you hear, Sir, what he said. He flung Maximo and Eindiguer at me. He was the man who brought him to the President's house and now he brings him up before me in this House. He has no shame.

Mr. MacEntee: 

Who was the first person he met? It was the man who controlled

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