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12 Jun 11
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I think this is very much welcomed by most fair minded GAA people. It's great to see and i think SINDO would want to have a good think about things before calling it a crisis. These players train like demons they make millions upon millions for the organisation, surely it is only fair that these players are paid? They give it so much and i think it is only fair. Please let this be the future and hopefully it can improve the standards as well.
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Non-story - no sources named, so could be all made-up for all we know.
I wouldn't wrap chips in that "paper".
I wouldn't wrap chips in that "paper".
GAA players getting paid eh. Apparantely some big ship called 'Titanic' sank and killed a load of people. More news to follow.
I long to see the day that this will happen. I wouldn't wrap chips in that "paper". - steeringjob, I love the quote, the SINDO are blowing wind from their arses.
I'd say there is an element of truth to the stories but its just a few players not exactly widespread to become a cancer on the game, better off investigating the huge payments been made to many inter county and some club managers and mentors.
Now that would be a good expose for investigative journalism if they could infiltrate the GAA code of silence, I don't mind managers been paid a certain amount but some of the rumoured payments are obscene considering the demands they ask of players there's something very hypocritical about it all?.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/crisis-looms-for-gaa-after-stars-admit-to-being-paid-2672644.html
Now that would be a good expose for investigative journalism if they could infiltrate the GAA code of silence, I don't mind managers been paid a certain amount but some of the rumoured payments are obscene considering the demands they ask of players there's something very hypocritical about it all?.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/crisis-looms-for-gaa-after-stars-admit-to-being-paid-2672644.html
agree the rumours of some inter county managers been handed massive pay checks are obscene. would love to see more to this, could see the topic rising this week. a response from the Grab All Association will be interesting.
surely county's paying managers would have to declare same for tax purposes ..would it not be available under the freedom of information act .... no need to investigate ..cant see the gaa leaving themselves open to this kind of thing ....
This is more or less a thing of the past,certainly at club level.It usually involved a local developer or auctioneer etc stumping up the cash (all done under the counter) to bring in a high profile outside manager or player for a period.I would be interested to hear what the corrupt GPA have to say about this.I know of one high profile GPA member who when coaching his own club,engaged in the same practice,he brought in a high profile current inter county manager in an attempt to win a County senior hurling title in Cork,which failed as it happens..!
Workrider its usually done through third parties, mainly wealthy supporters.
I can't believe that the revenue haven't been allover this like a rash, its probably the worst kept secret in GAA circles even the top brass have openly admitted their lack of approval in public.
Surely these brown envelopes/lodgements are traceable, any half decent auditor should be able to track them down?.
I can't believe that the revenue haven't been allover this like a rash, its probably the worst kept secret in GAA circles even the top brass have openly admitted their lack of approval in public.
Surely these brown envelopes/lodgements are traceable, any half decent auditor should be able to track them down?.
Far from a thing of the past scooby its still as prevalent today as it was 20 year ago when it first reared its ugly head, I know for a fact my own club have been paying managers a lot more than the legal official expenses that are accrued.
Im in the sticks silvergreaser all the cash has dried up down this way.Every man for himself now.Survival of the fittest..!
It's alive and well in our area and has been for the last 20 years.......€75/100 a session......Paid monthly....cash or cheque.
Im talking about the lads getting proper money Gant.Any man is entitled to have his expenses covered..!
Exactly Scooby expenses probably just cover petrol and cup of tea and a bar of choclate on the way home in some cases that i know of not even close to loss of earnings. But they should be entitled to something, maybe 25% of the gate money after all people want to see the stars of the GAA not a bunch of old codgers in suits on a committee !!!!
Ex county manager,managing a club side where I`m from,getting £300stg a week....drives 28miles ( round trip )Worst kept secret in the game these "dropsies"
The Sindo's article was not on about Manager, it was in relation to players being paid.
We would not get out of the bed for that in Cork Gant..!
We prefer to call it "gifts" for the players to cover "expenses" like food,mortgage,electricity,heating etc.
When Kepak sponsored Meath there was steak for breakfast, dinner and tea.
Rocket I remember the likes of Keith Barr, Mick Galvin etc not being too worried about people knowing they were getting well paid for playing back in their day. Very surprised you seem to genuinely not believe that players get paid and have been for years now. And we're not just talking about 'expenses'.
Huge money changed hands in Dublin club football for years..........It was the same as soccer no loyalty and jump ship to the highest bidder........In some cases it was a sign on fee, a job or both.
Judas cooney brought this large scale corruption with him when he came from FAS,the Top brass in the GAA is like a whos who of former state bodies FAS HSE ETC.It is Red Rotten at the Top..!
when you see useless soccer players(one from cork in particular!!) getting 30/40 grand a week the gaa are well entitled to what they get.i havent heard of it.
johnny I don't support GAA but I wouldn't have a problem with players being officially paid, it wouldn't be any of my business to be honest, so long as the money's not coming out've my taxes.
The GPA was set up with its main aim to make it a professional game for the elite.The attitude has always been feck the club player.Their figures were a joke,they were laughed at.It seems some started to believe their own hype.They did secure a murky deal with judas cooney which entitles the elite to funds from the tax payer,but at what cost ?? Greed has destroyed our little association..!
Scooby........Cooney was only elected in 2009 and wil be gone next year.......Is your hatred of Cooney a local issue.
cooney has been around the Top table for longer than that Gant,i have never met the man,but having read up on his antics and the antics of others at the Top table with FAS HSE ETC I am confident i can say he is corrupt.500.000 euros the GAA will pay over to FAS for him having the honour of being pres of an Amateur association.I Believe the facilities put into judas cooneys club the last few years would have to be seen to be believed. FAS LOTTO GAA all heavily involved in this corrupt merrygoround..!
Compensation for Judas cooneys time spent with GAA..!
He has that well covered with all the publicity the GAA got allowing the Queen into Croke Park.
Foolish man,got it badly wrong with his actions of late,this will cost him dear of this I am certain..!
Some of the die hards out our way reckon they will get him back by giving him a fill of dodgy diesel.
Well said MJK it should be above the table now a guy from Tallaght getting 80k a week sterling surely some of these players are worth €20k to €30k a year. As scooby says the money goes elsewhere hmmm and people talk about FIFA.
Very similar to FIFA in many ways Rocket,uncontested elections is also a GAA speciality ..!
The whole GAA set up is in the dark ages, no changes can be made until congress comes around every 5 year?.
Reading between the lines there does seem to be a lot of support in the media for some sort of legitimate payment to be brought in for inter county managers, Eugene Magee apart of course.
I can't see how this would have any effect on stopping illegal payments because there's no way in hell the GAA could come up with anywhere near what some of these managers are already recieving or have recieved, in fact it could make things even worse?, the manager pockets the GAA's legitimate cheque while at the same time still continue to recieve the underhand payments from whatever sources within their county of choice.
Anyway by legitimising payments to managers would just open up a hornets nest and the GPA would be allover it like a rash, and quite righty too, as its these well paid managers who put professional like demands on these players both physically and mentally, as long as they remain in the championship you can forget about having any semplance of a social ife, even playing with your club your social ife is severely curtailed, its not like say the 60's, 70's and 80's where you trained about twice a week, usually consisting of a few laps and a kickaround and then off to the local for a few pints to quench your thirst.
Nowadays if a club or county player was spotted in a pub a fortnight before a big game he would be probably bundled into a park vanned with tinted glass windows such is stigma attached almost on a par with injecting yourself with heroin.
The GPA's heart is in the right place but legitimising any sort of payments other than the usual expenses and disturbance money can never be done on a fair basis, say if they get a pay per play allowance the likes of the Corks, Kerrys, Kilkennys etc would recieve an awful lot more because the stronger counties usually get an extended run of things, many good players who play for a weaker county would be short changed even though ability wise they are on a par with many players from the stronger counties.
Don't the GPA get some sort of sports grant off the goverment as it stands for player welfare?, obviously not as much as they would like because of goverment cut backs.
If the likes of Duffy is serious about getting to the bottom of these illegal payments, well lets have some action, he's complaining about been obstructed at every turn, well if that is the case?, well then involve the legal authorities and the revenue commissioners soon have them running for the hills, we're not dealing with the mafia here for heavens sake, even their so called unbreakable code of silence omerta has been infiltrated numerous times, informers everywhere.
Reading between the lines there does seem to be a lot of support in the media for some sort of legitimate payment to be brought in for inter county managers, Eugene Magee apart of course.
I can't see how this would have any effect on stopping illegal payments because there's no way in hell the GAA could come up with anywhere near what some of these managers are already recieving or have recieved, in fact it could make things even worse?, the manager pockets the GAA's legitimate cheque while at the same time still continue to recieve the underhand payments from whatever sources within their county of choice.
Anyway by legitimising payments to managers would just open up a hornets nest and the GPA would be allover it like a rash, and quite righty too, as its these well paid managers who put professional like demands on these players both physically and mentally, as long as they remain in the championship you can forget about having any semplance of a social ife, even playing with your club your social ife is severely curtailed, its not like say the 60's, 70's and 80's where you trained about twice a week, usually consisting of a few laps and a kickaround and then off to the local for a few pints to quench your thirst.
Nowadays if a club or county player was spotted in a pub a fortnight before a big game he would be probably bundled into a park vanned with tinted glass windows such is stigma attached almost on a par with injecting yourself with heroin.
The GPA's heart is in the right place but legitimising any sort of payments other than the usual expenses and disturbance money can never be done on a fair basis, say if they get a pay per play allowance the likes of the Corks, Kerrys, Kilkennys etc would recieve an awful lot more because the stronger counties usually get an extended run of things, many good players who play for a weaker county would be short changed even though ability wise they are on a par with many players from the stronger counties.
Don't the GPA get some sort of sports grant off the goverment as it stands for player welfare?, obviously not as much as they would like because of goverment cut backs.
If the likes of Duffy is serious about getting to the bottom of these illegal payments, well lets have some action, he's complaining about been obstructed at every turn, well if that is the case?, well then involve the legal authorities and the revenue commissioners soon have them running for the hills, we're not dealing with the mafia here for heavens sake, even their so called unbreakable code of silence omerta has been infiltrated numerous times, informers everywhere.
you could have awakened a hornets nest there silvergeaser....
The nest should`ve been opened long,long ago.This organisation are a law onto themselves,with hand-picked rules of a draconian nature!Money is now everything and the sport is secondary but only for the bigwigs and not the players.A blind eye will be turned to any financial gain as long as you`re not dipping your hand in the pot that`s on the main table
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13 Jun 11 13:30 Joined: 11 Feb 10 | Topic/replies: 791 | Blogger: silvergreaser's blog
Workrider its usually done through third parties, mainly wealthy supporters.
I can't believe that the revenue haven't been allover this like a rash, its probably the worst kept secret in GAA circles even the top brass have openly admitted their lack of approval in public.
Surely these brown envelopes/lodgements are traceable, any half decent auditor should be able to track them down?.
Did accounts once (as a junior) where I knew the manager was being paid but there wasn't even a sniff of it in the accounts. Those clubs have a lot of cash floating around and plenty of willing donors.
Nothing to do with auditors, its up to the revenue but what can they do?
13 Jun 11 13:30 Joined: 11 Feb 10 | Topic/replies: 791 | Blogger: silvergreaser's blog
Workrider its usually done through third parties, mainly wealthy supporters.
I can't believe that the revenue haven't been allover this like a rash, its probably the worst kept secret in GAA circles even the top brass have openly admitted their lack of approval in public.
Surely these brown envelopes/lodgements are traceable, any half decent auditor should be able to track them down?.
Did accounts once (as a junior) where I knew the manager was being paid but there wasn't even a sniff of it in the accounts. Those clubs have a lot of cash floating around and plenty of willing donors.
Nothing to do with auditors, its up to the revenue but what can they do?
Aren't these revenue guys auditors in their own right Tavaris?.
Maybe these managers have swelled bank accounts where a simple means test of what they earned through legitimate employment can be offset against other lodgements, transactions or investments?.
Then again if they get a whiff of an internal investigation they'd be rushing to cover their tracks, I'm sure many of them are in a comfort zone and think they're untouchable, the GAA one of Irelands great institutions, the all conquering Catholic church thought the same now its only a bit player in Irish society the respect and control they once monopolised has been well and truely shot to pieces.
Nobody should be above the law, as I've said I don't particulary mind managers getting a little something but some of the payments that many of them shamelessly demand can only be described as pure and utter greed, these managers are actually professionals in all but name, because they're earning more annually from just managing a GAA team than the vast majority of blue and some white collared workers in this country, that of course on top of their often well paid jobs or business ventures.
Maybe these managers have swelled bank accounts where a simple means test of what they earned through legitimate employment can be offset against other lodgements, transactions or investments?.
Then again if they get a whiff of an internal investigation they'd be rushing to cover their tracks, I'm sure many of them are in a comfort zone and think they're untouchable, the GAA one of Irelands great institutions, the all conquering Catholic church thought the same now its only a bit player in Irish society the respect and control they once monopolised has been well and truely shot to pieces.
Nobody should be above the law, as I've said I don't particulary mind managers getting a little something but some of the payments that many of them shamelessly demand can only be described as pure and utter greed, these managers are actually professionals in all but name, because they're earning more annually from just managing a GAA team than the vast majority of blue and some white collared workers in this country, that of course on top of their often well paid jobs or business ventures.
silvergreaser you make a lot of good points.but pure and utter greed?a guy has expertise in a field.he sells his time and gets paid for it.like every other job!..my prob would be the underhandedness of it.the failure of the gaa to adress and embrace this...i know managers getting paid now...and as far back as the early 80s...so its not a new thing..
Down with Judas cooney,I voted for assassinations ..!
If it was left up to me,I would hang him from the hogan stand,then burn the stadium around him..!
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