So You Think

Same thing happened to workrider soapp - mind you he aint got much hair left!

her majesty told me to convey her condolences as she will be to busy leading in her winner ...also to wish you better luck next time sof......

Hard luck Your Majesty ...... C'mon Ballydoyle!

i'm going to go over myself ...i might just have time to engage in diplomatic conversation or even shake your hand and smile while i help her majesty out of the winners enclosure ....

workrider come on over and join us at the Winners' Party! We'll be easy enough to spot my friend - Mrs soldieroffortune will be wearing either her all Navy dress or the Blue one with the bright Orange disc on the front!

Cummings' swipe at Think's Irish rivals

As many Australians stayed up to watch So You Think win in Ireland in the early hours of Monday morning, Bart Cummings slept soundly, sure of the result.

The former trainer of the dual Cox Plate winner said it wasn't worth a late night given the strength of the opposition in the Tattersalls Gold Cup.

In high spirits after the win of Procyon at Randwick on Tuesday, Cummings was at his mischievous best.

"I saw the race this morning," Cummings said.

"I wouldn't stay up at night for it. The racing over there isn't worth two bob.

"He met better horses than that here.

"It might be different when he gets to France, there is better racing there because they don't have bookmakers."

Cummings has long been an opponent of corporate bookmakers who he says are bleeding the industry.

"If the sheikh (Sheikh Mohammed) left England, racing would be closed down in a month," he said.

"When I was last over there I think there were 18 bookmakers in parliament."

It is no secret Cummings was upset to lose the horse in a deal done between owner Dato Tan Chin Nam and Coolmore during the spring carnival when the legendary trainer was not in the best of health.

Those wounds have healed and Cummings has moved on but he would have welcomed the opportunity to train him for a third Cox Plate.

Asked how he thought the horse looked even against inferior opposition, Cummings was succinct.

"Not as good as he did here."


Just telling it like it is!

Why doesn't he just come out and say "I'm a bitter old man"

After the 2008 Melbourne Cup and the Australian media's intense criticism of Aidan O'Brien's tactics, Jim Bolger was asked by the Aussie meida if he ever had a runner Down Under. He said:

"Maybe if you had a proper race over a mile and a half in which colts carried 9st and fillies 8st 11lb, then I might come out. But you think the Cup is one of the best races in the world even though it is a handicap. A handicap? Imagine. That's not what proper international racing should be about."

Clearly no love lost between the Irish and Australian trainers, is there?

Bolger is right, they have the crowds, the sunshine, but Americain. FFS

He still hasn't got over Vintage Crop taking the Cup back to Europe, the first time it was ever taken to the Northern hemisphere. He said the handicapper favoured the Europeans to tempt them to bring over runners.

Sad sad man. He never travelled horses to the Northeern hemisphere or Ascot.

typical brash Aussie.

Did well in his work this morning.

AMOB 'live' on Twitter ...... "Just jumping off, settled in nicely behind his lead horse, starting to move upsides, eases to the front. Easy, 15 lengths clear! Phew!"

All looks well for Wednesday

thanks for the horsie.................................BART! baahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah!

Could "soft" be included in the Ascot going .....Babs Keating said on RTE1 today that he was over near the course and it was lashing rain the other day.....ok not the most reliable info but a concern all the same.....

C'mon fella

For me its a gamblers last throw.
So You Think is Mr Ed in disguise.

How can you criticise anything this horse has done? He won 2 Cox Plates in Australia which is Australia's weight for age championship race. In the 1st of those he led all the way running them ragged winning by 2 1/2L. He won 2 Group 1s last year before defending his Cox Plate and then a week later hacked up in the McKinnon Stakes.

Since he has arrived in Europe he has won a Group 3 and Group 1 that lacked strength in depth but that is down to the fact that connections of other so called horses are afraid of their lives to take him on. He has won his 2 starts in the Northern hemisphere with the minimun of fuss.

Ballydoyle are talking the horse up but their is substance behind it. He has won 5 Group 1s in Australia and now has won 1 Group 1 in Ireland.

He is a 2/5 shot and a lay.Australian middle distance horses are nothing like their sprinters,to me he wasnt visually impressive in either of his Curragh wins and most critically of all he has had a wind operation.

Who do you have to beat him?
I`ve backed been on both Planteurs and Rewildings wins this season but I`m not planning on backing either today. Twice Over!
He might be too short but just like Frankel, he`s still by far the most likely winner.

He won the Group 3 by 10L and the Group 1 by 4 1/2L without the jockey having to get serious in either, what more could he do?? win each race by 3 furlongs?

As for a wind operation, that could improve him, it has improved many a horse in the past

i think someone said his sire is 0/30 at the track is that true?

having said that they all might have been 100/1 donkeys but a worying stat if it.

i actually thikshes a smashing horse but havent backed it today.

gl

think hes*[smiley:crazy]

I could end up being wrong but he has done everything that has been asked of him in middle distance races so far in both the Southern and Northern hemisphere and i personally think he is the best middle distance horse in the world and will go through the season unbeaten.

High Chaparral was a noble racehorse but has not been a success at stud.
The wind operation is a negative when betting long odds on shots but i accept the point about him not being responsible for the poor opposition in Ireland.

He has been brought to the boil perfectly by AO'B for today....I feel we will see a super display from this animal today........Tip up a lay @ 2/5 and it wins, a sure it was odds odd or the oldest one in the book tip up the second fav. to an odds on shot........the horse wins you are a great tipster and it loses....are sure the winner was odds on...............We will be all the wiser @ 1550.

GANT007...There is money involved in fact i have gone misere oeuvre.

I am not doubting you for one second..........The piece above refers to a chap that drinks in our local pub.

Well done if you layed, im absolutely shocked

well done wildman..

Well done layers. No excuses for the fav on first viewing.

Well done...........

Fantastic to see that chinned.
Does not help with the Planteur losses, but a great ride by Frankie.

What graceless rubbish in that interview.

Protecting the valuation by claiming it was trainer error and the horse was not fit enough.

Take defeat on the chin and admit that the better horse won on the day.

Very odd interview on BBC there with Pershad,close to tears and mumbling and back to the "listen" thing again,he apologised to Pershad and the TV viewers ffs.

Didn't mention Joseph taking the head off him at the corner either

How can he claim not to have him fit after 2 runs this year and this being Royal Ascot

Better horse on the day at the distance .Pair of them were well clear of the other decent horses in the race .  No disgrace to be beaten , tactics / holding up might be better .

wd op.

thought ryan went too soon myself.

best horse 2nd imo.

the best thing to come out of the race is...this is NO superstar...imo...

id agree with that.

its so demeaning to AOB other runners too , to hear him essentially talk down the great horses hes had by talking this fella up as the best hes trained.

hate to see that tbh.

id agree with that.

its so demeaning to AOB other runners too , to hear him essentially talk down the great horses hes had by talking this fella up as the best hes trained.

hate to see that tbh.

I`ve said that ^^^^ a hundred times before ilwab.
That horse wouldn`t polish the boots of his real superstars of the early noughties.

wouldnt argue with u there GS, at least after that race. galileo/montjeu would have won that race today anyway!

Eclipse next.

The right man on board and Seamus will give him a lovely spin round there tomorrow.

C'mon fella

Play up your winnings lay again and again.

You ever had a look at him close up wildman?

I saw him twice on The Curragh but would not be the best judge of a horse,leave that to Workrider,he did look a noble beast.I am against him solely on his form,feel he has been hyped a bit and has had a wind operation.

wildman he's a superb looking individual, a huge imposing colt with an athletic and muscular build about him. He's a beautiful racehorse to look at close up and workrider for sure would agree with that.

He was under his best there the last day but all these races go to make a season. His trainer will have him spot on for the season that remains.

I think Aiden OBrien was unfairly criticised when he gallantly put the blame on himself at Ascot,wrong if you take the blame and wrong if you shirk it.I have read all the posts on here commenting on the amount of times he says listen and sneering at it,dont they realise that is only a stalling method which we all use when you are thinking although we may use different words.
On the subject of beauty,saw a photograph of his daughter,certainly a looker.

wildman let's you, me, workrider and all of us on here look back one day and judge him on his season as a whole in 2011 So You Think.

Would Coolmore have to pay  for the advertisement on pages 3-5 of the Racing Post today or is it free?

i still think he is a superstar, i may be wrong but the Prince Of Wlaes was a joke race mainly down ton Aidens son and Ryan Moore. It he runs like he did down under i think he will destroy Workforce.


if i am wrong i will be 1st to admit it

I am against him solely on his form,feel he has been hyped a bit and has had a wind operation.

Was his Ascot run was sufficient enough for you to realise there`s nothing wrong with his form? He was the best horse on the day and was asked to do far too much. By not making the pace today they have effectively realised they made a total mess of Ascot.
The reason you should be taking him on today is the very hard race he had there only 17 days ago. But when you consider he won the Cox plate, another Gr1 and ran 3rd in the Melbourne cup all in the space of 10 days last year then he should be well able for it. Little wonder why they use hyperbole with this one. He cost a pretty penny.

Was his Ascot run not sufficient....

I actually agree with ye that he was probably the best horse in the Ascot race,not Ryan Moores finest hour,but i think this is a far superior race.I wouldnt put Rewilding in the same league as Workforce or Snow Fairy so consider this a tougher assignment and without wishing to bore the significance of Ryan Moore knowing all about So You Think may come into play.

Won that with a bit up his sleeve imo. Great race to watch.

love this racehorse

Truly superb performance!

I know this may sound like sour grapes but you can only go on your own impression and whilst he was a worthy winner i dont think he is a champion.I have a feeling they may abandon his European campaign and send him back to Australia would think Await The Dawn a better horse.

RACING NEWS     

So You Think runs to 134 in mastering Workforce.
TIMEFORM HAIL SO YOU THINK DISPLAY

Timeform rate So You Think's Coral-Eclipse win as second to only Sea The Stars' in recent years.

The Halifax-based firm have the performance at 134 while John Oxx's star ran to 136 when winning in 2009.

So You Think - a champion in Australia before this year - and the Derby and Arc winner Workforce were inseparable on a Timeform rating of 133 going into the race, and there was little between them in the closing stages as well, So You Think finally getting on top to score by half a length.

Workforce remains on a rating of 133 - good enough to win the race by three to four lengths in an average year - while Sri Putra ran to 122 in third.

So You Think now goes into a clear third, behind Frankel (141) and Black Caviar (135), in Timeform's Global Rankings in what is proving to be a vintage year for Flat racing.

Its hard to argue against that and they may be right,i just think So You Think takes a long time to pick up and felt the pacemaker suited him.Snow Fairy did not run her race and Workforces best form is over a mile and a half so i would not agree with that rating.
I always go on my own eyes and he just disappointed me on the Curragh twice and maybe i cant get that out of my head.I hope they run him in the Irish Champion because i will be going down the unpopular route again and laying.Having read your article it now seems my fear about Coolmore packing him off to Australia is ludicrous and i may have a long summer eating humble pie but for now i will plough my own furrow.

Beggars belief that anyone could rate So You Think ahead of his conquerer at Ascot in a scenario where SYT in victory today defeated Sri Putra by 5.5 lengths but beat it 6L at Ascot when allegedly not fully fit

Allegedly. Totally agree.
In the same way that SYT had to do his own donkey work at Ascot,Wf was asked to do too much today. Another sitting duck.

I am seriously not disagreeing for the sake of it but whilst i dont think So You Think is a champion i think he is better than Rewilding and i dont believe So You Think wasnt fully fit at Ascot.
Giant Strides i am not sure of your opinion on this subject as on the one hand you seem to agree with Stellar Manipulator with regards Rewilding yet seem to agree with most that he is a true champion.
Anyway differences of opinion on the turf is what makes it so great.

wildman it was real class shown there today by So You Think - and there's still improvement to come from him!

So You Think is a champion, whether he is an all time great the rest of the season will tell us. However 2 Cox Plates a McKinnon Stakes, a Tattersalls Gold Cup and an Eclipse win make this horse a champion

I think he will prove himself to be an all time great by winning the Prix De L'Arc De Triomphe

Completely agree with you Prem

I Would doubt very much so you think would beat Workrider over an extra 2f

moneypenny 03 Jul 11 00:33
   
I Would doubt very much so you think would beat Workrider over an extra 2f

moneypenny - Mrs workrider says he's totally lacking in stamina!

Well he was getting well on top at the finish i thought today. Almost stayed the 2m to win a Melbourne Cup.

Anyway as regarding him i think people are totally ignoring what this horse did in Australia, he was unreal down there

Middle distance Australian racing is inferior to European middle distance racing. Have a look at how well My Kingdom of Fife is doing over there. He was called Kingdom of Fife in the UK  and was last seen getting well beat in an egg and spoon race at Windsor.

Workforce was given a poor enough ride today by Ryan Moore. The horse is clearly better over 12 furlongs and the Stoute stable are having a poor enough time at present .

Today was SYT's day with everything in his favour and on the day the best horse won, however I couldnt see him being good enough to even place in an Arc

Workrider [:)]

I trust you'll put up a tasty pruce then for the Arc

only kidding but i think the horse in a monster

Laying horses at 7/1 + wouldnt be my game PF however I like the look of Workforce at 5/1+ on here.

On a line through Sri Putra the horse didn't exactly run any better than at Ascot which sugeests both his runs in Britain is as good as he is, which is not to say the horse is bad, he's a damn decent horse but imo no world beater and I'd be willing to take him on whenever or IF? he ever steps up to 12f.

me neither mate, not a layer at all really, at least he has brought plenty of debate to the season and it will run the whole season until Longchamp by the looks of things

Sure thats what the games all about , opinions.

C'mon fella

another riveting post from the forum dullard

Morning slickster

i thing so you thing may win the champion stakes but he is more like a 4/7 shot then a 2/7 he may be worth a lay.

Superb performance from horse and jockey

I thought he was workmanlike today and has absolutely no chance in the Arc but i doubt he will go there,i would imagine he will head for the Champion Stakes provided Frankel isint running.Remember he is effectively a five year old and also despite his great exploits in Australia the Australian handicapper only allocated him 8-10 in the Melbourne Cup so he like me didnt believe the hype.

overrated.

Absolutely correct. He is 8 lbs overated by the handicapper.
The Australian handicapper saw it fit to allocate him 8.11 in last years Mel. Cup. The same weight was allocated to Campanologist who at the time was rated......wait for it.............116. This is where the facts speak for themselves. The Aussie handicapper therefor rated this "superstar" in the same ballpark as a European group 3 performer. He then arrives in Ireland and the hype machine went into full swing. Let's look at the facts. He wins an egg and spoon race first time out at the Curragh. He then returns to the Curragh to win the worst G1 I have ever seen in Ireland. He is then beaten fair and square by Rewilding (OR 120), in my opinion his best run in this hemisphere. He went on to beat Workforce at a time when Stoute's yard was under a cloud. ( at that time the yard was on a 30 run loosing streak). Back to today, easily the worst Champion Stakes field I can remember, he beats a good filly, all out by half a length. Snow Fairy also has an OR of 120
Assuming Snow Fairy ran up to her best today any fair minded person could only give So You Think a rating of 121. Yet he is rated by our handicapper at 127. On all known form I rate him at 119 and furthermore he will never win a G 1 over a mile.  Listening to John Magnier today suggesting he will shuttle him in both hemispheres as a stallion brought a smile to my face. I reckon So You Think will cover  about 600 mares at €50k a pop before breeders realise the folly of their ways. His pedigree, size and style of running suggests he won't be producing early two year olds. It will be interesting to see where it will all end.

Back to today, easily the worst Champion Stakes field I can remember...

Short memory.
Which of the beasts in behind New Approach in 2008 had won four G1s and £2m in prize money!? 

Arc winner!

Yup Sarafina is the Arc winner

She'll be a gallant 2nd BJG

Ryan Moore would have won had he been allowed to ride Snow Fairy. Best horse finished 3rd. So You Think should make a good National Hunt sire.

SYT,the most over hyped beast I've seen in a long long time,just think of some of the Balydoyle inmates that APOB was willing to put below SYT in the pecking order.

Shouda, coulda, woulda, Gothchee!

Agree Pun, been saying all along that he's not the horse he's made out to be. Todays price said it all.

In the footsteps of Nijinsky.

Ballydoyle advertisment SO YOU THINK *UNBEATING within the rules of racing
*BEATEN TWICE BY jockeys who broke the rules

What rules did Danedream or Andrasch Starke break? Yes i didn't think the ride in the Arc was the best but he would never of beat Danedream, or the ride given to him at Royal Ascot was great but he was beat fair and square again on Saturday when pretty much everything seemed to go to plan.

Take the day off fantasy i was having a jest

Just read So You Thinks sire High Chaparall is 0-35 at Ascot with his offspring.

take the day off

Got a terrible flogging last night. A good G 3 horse at his best.