Newmarket Guineas

The draw will be a significant factor , i would not want frankel up the centre of the track racing on his own, did not look happy in the dewhurst seemed to  want to hang right? Roderick  o' connor ran a cracker in that race and should place but with pathfolk and Casamento in the field frankel will have a lot more to think about?

I suppose we`ll know more about the draw in a couple of hours but the field is likely to be one of the smallest I remember too. Always preferable when they go up the middle. I would never like to see a repeat of the 2002 race. That`s definitely how to get a good thing beaten!

Saamid hugely impressive when landing his maiden [at Leicester, IIRC]

Well worthy of an EW poke at the price.

Agree with you about Frankel,i think the small field is a negative he might not settle,there is also a chance that even he was to run his race one of the others can have improved and beat him on merit.

Memory @ 6/1 in the fillies for me. Great gear change.

I thought ROC W/O Frankel was a bet....but i cant get around the market drift for him despite running

Final decs

Saturday April 30 2011
Newmarket 15:10
Qipco 2000 Guineas Stakes (Group 1)
£350000.00 added, 3yo only, 1m, Class 1, £198695.00 penalty
13 runners
Going: Good to Firm, Good in places
Surface: Turf

1 (12)        112419-    Broox (IRE) 180    3     9-0    E J O'Neill    William Buick           
2 (10)        1211-    Casamento (IRE) 189      3     9-0    M Al Zarooni    L Dettori     119       
3 (5)        0419-11    Dubawi Gold 21      3     9-0    R Hannon    R Hughes     101       
4 (1)        1111-1    Frankel 14        3     9-0    H R A Cecil    T P Queally     126       
5 (4)        11-    Fury 210      3     9-0    W J Haggas    J P Murtagh     103       
6 (7)        41-2    Happy Today (USA) 17      3     9-0    B J Meehan    Martin Dwyer     102       
7 (8)        12-    Loving Spirit 197        3     9-0    J A R Toller    R Havlin     98       
8 (11)        114-1    Native Khan (FR) 16      3     9-0    E A L Dunlop    O Peslier     111       
9 (2)        111-    Pathfork (USA) 231    3     9-0 t1    Mrs J Harrington    F M Berry           
10 (13)        13414-2    Rerouted (USA) 17      3     9-0 b1    B W Hills    M Hills     110       
11 (3)        3121-    Roderic O'Connor (IRE) 181      3     9-0    A P O'Brien    R L Moore     119       
12 (9)        116-    Saamidd 196    3     9-0 t1    Saeed bin Suroor    M Barzalona     115       
13 (6)        561245-    Slim Shadey 217    3     9-0    J S Moore    Luke Morris     101       

Last Winner
Year    Horse    Trainer    Jockey    SP    Age    Wt    Draw
2010    Makfi    M Delzangles    C P Lemaire    33/1    3    9-0    15

Betting Forecast: 8/15 Frankel, 5/1 Pathfork, 7/1 Roderic O'Connor, 12/1 Native Khan, 14/1 Casamento, 16/1 Fury, 25/1 Saamidd, 50/1 Dubawi Gold, 50/1 Rerouted, 66/1 Loving Spirit, 100/1 Broox, 100/1 Happy Today, 200/1 Slim Shadey

Saamid did look good but the form is debatable sjn.
It`s probably folly taking on a horse as potentially as good as Frankel but I don`t think his Greenham run was an improvement on last season which he made need to beat one or two of these imo.
He`s drawn 1 near Ro`C so assuming the stalls will be in the centre he wont have far to drift to find the rail.
Then you have Pathfork and Casamento on the stands side. I hope the congregate up the middle for the races sake.

..MAY need..

Not a ideal draw for a colt that hangs right, got to take him on and try and get him outa the two, id say Queally would want to miss the break a little

The record of Guineas' fav - on the back of steller 2 y/o seasons - the following May is less than stellar.

Happy to oppose Frankel at his current price.

If I am wrong, I do my dough, simples.

Mick Halfords RP trophy winner Casamento is coming in for a some support. And rightly so. Very good animal. I have a little on at 20`s. 2 bets to beat the superstar. 
Can`t wait for this one. Hoping for a great race or a great winner.
Enjoy all and good luck!

I am very disappointed that this super colt Frankel has not been given due praise on this thread....hail the hero FRANKEL...hail the living legend HENRY CECIL....hail irishjockey TOM QUEALLY...what a performance...cracked out got on with it skated home....if this had been a ballydoyle horse SOF and others would have been on singing the praises of AP O B.....what a way to win your Classic..Superstar..and the living legend Henry told us all though the press "I have him where I want him"no listen lads or we hope he will run a nice race Hail the new Superstar.....

Massive performance from frankel,and his likeable connections,fascinating to see where he will go next will it be the dante and derby route or stick to a mile at royal ascot ??I wud imagine the only chance we have of seeing him race in ireland might be the champion stakes in sept,i suppose coolmore will be satisfied with the galileo factor.

defo should not go for the derby. waste of time.

superstar btw.

absolute beast should'nt go for the derby imo

Very strange race. It was like a solo run. He must have been at least 10l clear at one stage!
It`s hard to crab a performance like that but I still can`t get away from the fact that a 100 rated listed class horse was 2nd and Native Khan definitely needs further. The others were abysmal for whatever reason (999/1 Slim Shadey was 4th!).
He has extraordinary ability but he`s not the perfect racehorse by any means. 
FWIW, I think Cecil is nuts if he runs him in the Dante on Thursday week.

Listen lads... he has so mush speed he'd win the July Cup ..and sher god willing if we get a nice even pace he'd stay a mile an a haf so we cud go the Arc route[;)]and in any event we hope he runs a nice race...SoF sed he bred in the purpl

HR Cecil is most certainly not NUTS...A living LEGEND, yes..Giant was there really a second in this race??did anyone see how far back Pathfork was and being driven hard by Fran..half a mile back, and Casamento back there too.....This race was won after just 2furlongs and Simon on CH4 said he was ten clear....and a fantastic commentary by Simon he did justice to the new SUPERSTAR......my only regret is that I didn't go over to see it ......maybe WORKRIDER stayed on to witness this great great performance...

Nobodies doubting his legendary status JTOTDL, but running it 3 times in 26 days would be totally nonsensical.
There`s plenty of options later on. Like the July Cup!

Fair enough Giant ...and a very fair comment from you once again...perhaps the living legend was havin his own bit of fun winding up the opposition....would love to see him shoot up the Curragh...listen lads we had  oops bedtime .....

hello jaytrump .. that was a superb performance today from a wonderful horse.. i must  admit i did question weather he would prove as good a 3yo as he was a 2yo...he has impressed me immensely so far ...he has answered every question that has been asked of him  ..a true champion in the making ...i hope henry sticks to mile races with him now ....maybe he might come over for our gns....then again henry just might hold him back for the st james  palace stakes at  royal ascot... no need to let him run over futher just yet ..delighted for henry a true gent ...

He was beating a train at home. Would the train have got up for second today?

Explosive, Unreal, Athlete.

Come on Memory, show them what ur made of.

He's Frankenstein with Usain Bolts legs....Franklestein.

best i ever seen and i have seen a few , it was over within a 100 yards , fantastic to see an animal so dominant and trained by a gent , superb stuff

Well done all.........great compliments for a great performance by Frankel.........which has been acknowledged by many of you on this forum, showing not only your love of horseracing but your admiration for the HORSE.....all of you true sports men and women

It sucks when you don`t capitalize on a great horse.
I even backed the only horse to trade at odds on against him. Nathaniel on debut.
However. there`s no harm debating his merits or the fact that most of the field did not run to form.

yea a true gent the day he

went on a drunken rampage

driving thru newmarket

Frankel either goes for the derby or st james's at royal ascot,u wud imagine he will stick to a mile (gone out to ten on here for epsom),world domination will run in the dante on thurs week,anyone know anything about seville?trained on?likely to have a prep run for epsom???

frankel-14 for espsom on here now (for pea nuts all be it)

I have been looking at epsom derby betting,it's 19s bar first 4   
FRANKEL -looks certain to stick to a mile and go for st .james's palace (avail @ 17 for epsom) 
WORLD DOMINATION(6.2)and CARLTON HOUSE(7.2)are unbelievably short in the betting for the form they have achieved,they have both only won maidens all be it impressive and imo  are priced up cos of their connections,these 2 are expected to meet thursday day week in the dante.   
I really liked seville as a 2 yo ,anyone know how he has trained on or likely to run in a derby trial???

So Frankel goes to Royal Ascot.
No Dante or Derby which on running style makes perfect sense to me.
More worrying is the fact that he joins a trend of Newmarket Guineas winners who don`t turn up at the Curragh 3 weeks later.
Since Island Sands in 1999, only 4 have attempted the double and only one of them was not trained by APoB.
Cecil himself has had only 4 runners here since 2000!
All the Aussies who tuned in on Monday to see SYT must have squirmed when they saw the state of the infield at the Curragh! "Where have they sent our superstar to race"?
One Celtic tiger later and our racecourse stadia and facilities are nothing short of embarrassing. So much money washed around the sport herein the last decade and what do we have to show for it?
The best facility is at the only major course without a lengthy racing calendar or extensive graded programme.
Galway!
I give you Ireland. Be proud.

Apologies. Before I`m corrected, Cecil has had 6 Irish runners.