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MayoMan
23 Jan 11 14:57
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Who do you think is the better horse over the hurdle ?   I still think its Binocular but interested to hear opinions on this.
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Report Monte Christo • January 23, 2011 3:07 PM GMT
In my opinion binocular is the better hurdler.

Champion is going to be the race of the meeting though.Can't wait.
Report MayoMan • January 23, 2011 3:14 PM GMT
I Agree MC - Thats the day i'm going to take off work this year. Should be a cracker of a race - Hope they all get to the starting line now.
Report tom40 • January 23, 2011 3:21 PM GMT
the way binocular won the champion last year is one of the most impressive performances ive seen at chelts
there and then i decided i´d look no further for the winner of the 2011 champ hrdle

hurricane is a great pretender and it´ll be a race to look forward to but i feel binocs 5yrold performance in the champion and last yrs (not to mention his good performance in the supreme novices) makes him a very worthy fav
itll be a new game for hurricane off such a hot pace and away from home on quicker grd at chelts imo
Report moneypenny • January 23, 2011 3:25 PM GMT
Personally i think that last years novices are better than both of them
Report kavvie • January 23, 2011 3:35 PM GMT
its the race of the festival..throw in menorah(my fancy) and peddlers cross..not to mention dunguib mille chief and kyber kim as live outsiders..its gonna be some contest
Report tom40 • January 23, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
indeed moneypenny 2 fantastic contenders
peddlers already showing his worth at newbury
menorah sure to love the very hot pace

what a race in prospect!
Report DECALEC • January 23, 2011 4:45 PM GMT
i like the winner (MENORAH) TOO[;)]
Report Newmanix • January 23, 2011 6:08 PM GMT
walkon?
Report slickster • January 23, 2011 10:04 PM GMT
champion hurdle this year is, quite simply, a 2 horse race. hurricane fly or binocular. THE REST DON'T COUNT. up to you how you play it.....
Report downallstar • January 23, 2011 10:14 PM GMT
4 horse race imv.
With Peddlers Cross leading the way.
Report wildmanfromborneo • January 23, 2011 11:06 PM GMT
Hurricane Fly is a lay for the champion hurdle.Binocular,Menorah and Peddlers Cross have all won round Cheltenham,Hurricane Fly has never even seen the place that has to be a negative.
Report downallstar • January 23, 2011 11:12 PM GMT
HF's sire is a negative, yet to have a winner at Chelt, 0-32 going into last year.
Even though sons & grand-sons of Saddler's Wells do very well there, SW being Montjeu's sire.
Saying that HF is without doubt the best NH progeny of Montjeu.
Report moneypenny • January 23, 2011 11:21 PM GMT
The only thing we know for sure about Hurricane Fly is that he is easily the best hurdler in Ireland
Report wildmanfromborneo • January 23, 2011 11:22 PM GMT
The more i read this thread the more convinced i am that Hurricane Fly is the lay of the meeting.
Lay lay lay....
Report neill d • January 23, 2011 11:23 PM GMT
Go Native has won a Christmas Hurdle and a Fighting Fifth in England and Hurricane Fly has treated him with contempt the twice they have met in their novice season, he must be outstanding. Solwhit has also won an Aintree Hurdle and beat the then champion Punjabi and Quevega at Punchestown in 09, Hurricane Fly must be a live contender given the ease with which he is beating these horses.
Report neill d • January 23, 2011 11:26 PM GMT
4 places 1/4 odds with Stan James looks very good value
Report downallstar • January 23, 2011 11:27 PM GMT
I can't call him either way tbh as regards the CH.
Report slickster • January 23, 2011 11:28 PM GMT
anyone saying hurricane fly is a lay is a fool. haven't seen the best of him yet by a long way.
Report Giant Strides • January 23, 2011 11:32 PM GMT
I`d have HF over Binocular, but I don`t think either will win (which means you can fill your boots with the forecast!).
Potentially the best CH I`ve seen. Fascinating race.
Report wildmanfromborneo • January 23, 2011 11:33 PM GMT
Slickster....Its an opinion,nothing more nothing less,it may turn out to be wrong but so what in racing you get used to being wrong.Come the day i think Hurricane Fly will be a place lay as well,i think i will be pushing all in here.
Report slickster • January 23, 2011 11:39 PM GMT
best of luck with that wildman...
Report wildmanfromborneo • January 23, 2011 11:44 PM GMT
Slickster.....Either way we will murder a few pints after it.
Report flushgordon • January 23, 2011 11:44 PM GMT
peddlers will eat them all.
Report Rage Against The Machine • January 23, 2011 11:55 PM GMT
downallstar,

Can I ask where you got that Montjeu/Cheltenham statistic from?

Be My Native was another sire who had a terrible record there. I know he had a few winners (Native Emperor is the only one I can think of at the moment)but it was a shocking return considering the number of runners. I suppose his progeny preferred plenty of cut, which they rarely got.

Unfortunately the BMN angle is practically gone now :(
Report downallstar • January 24, 2011 12:05 AM GMT
Rage - I had my own stats going into last year, forgot to update them, I'd say anyone with Raceform interactive could update us. There are plenty of trends/stats site nearer Cheltenham, hopefully one will update the figure.

I am wary of this stat though as Won in the Dark is probably the next best Montjeu, and well HF is in a different league to witd.

I like the Saddlers Wells(sons & grandsons), Kings Theatre & Presenting angle myself.
Report Rage Against The Machine • January 24, 2011 12:15 AM GMT
Thanks for that down,

Little things like that, while not the be all and end all, are handy weapons to have in the armoury.
If memory serves me correctly, Presenting didn't have one until War Of Attrition won the Gold Cup. How many runners he had previously though, I don't know.
Report downallstar • January 24, 2011 12:27 AM GMT
He's making up for lost time!
Report mr phantom • January 24, 2011 2:57 AM GMT
Gr8 race cant wait for it like us all. Peddlers cross each way for me at the mo but wont decide till the day to bet thats even if i have a bet. A race to savour without doubt.
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