Remember all the fat cats telling us to vote for Lisbon 2.

How can i find your thread? Also not surprised you have read the books on Fred Archer,what price Robo and Slickster never heard of The immortal Tinman.

if you go to gubbed wildman , yeah the tinman what a jockey .. people forget there were no cars etc etc in those days ... his honesty was legend .. beat himself money wise time after time ....

You'll find that the prospect of a PAYE tax refund in respect of 10 consecutive years' worth of earnings, is a powerful incentive to the "Lunster" rugby players...

Snouts in the trough...

Where do you think we would have gotten the bailout money from if we weren't in the EU?

It was the EU that asked us to bail out the banks to save the Euro,so they owed us.Also if we had voted down Lisbon 2 we would still have been in the EU.

We have no business in Europe anymore,We should burn the Bond holders and leave the Euro!



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Still in the EU yes but with no support from any other nation in the continent.

Lisbon has nothing to do with our predicament

and wheres the knowledge enconomy gone.i thought we were the smartest of europe,or did everyone just get stupider over the last few years

"We have no business in Europe anymore,We should burn the Bond holders and leave the Euro!"
So what do you suggest we use to pay public service workers and run the country?

db1974.....Lisbon has everything to do with it they have us locked in,no need to be nice to us any more,so the first chance they got to punish us for the hardship we caused over Lisbon they grabbed with both hands.When the hard nosed I.M.F. cut us a better deal than our so called allies in Europe you knew it was pay back time.
Europe have blocked our attempts to curb welfare fraud,sham marriages and the ridiculous paying of millions in childrens allowances to children not domiciled in the state.

Can you give me a link to where Europe have curbed our attempts to curb welfare fraud and/or sham marriages please

The European court blocked our attempt to legislate against sham marriages i am not sure what you mean by link but it is the aim of Europe to spread the wealth thats why we must continue sending millions in childrens allowance to poorer countries and attempts we have made to curb social welfare fraud have been struck down as discriminatory to facilitate this wealth distribution.I would have a sporting wager that db1974 gets his wages from Europe.

We have 30 billion in pension reserves Eric,Banks bust not State!

They are proposing we put 10 billion of that fund into anglo before we get access to another 85 billion borrowed at 6% most of which will go to the banks also,20 % of our yearly tax take will go on paying the interest on this loan,it is madness!

Steeringjobnap....Well said i had not thought of that,also explains how they managed to dragoon all those other sports stars into there dishonest campaign.
Scoobyknows........Scooby does indeed know absolute madness.

the country currently spends 20 billion more than it earns annually. sounds lke a bust state to me..

Ericthered7......If you stopped the transfer of wealth to eastern Europe and scrapped all the quangos, passed a law not allowing pensions over 100 thousand a year, cut free legal aid,not allow anyone claim expenses we would be some way there.It would discommode the elite the very ones that bamboozled us into changing our minds over Lisbon.

I want a link to a reputable news website stating all the things you are posting

Otherwise it's just more anonymous bullshit posted on a sports forum

Are my posts more anonymous than yours? I also notice you neglect in Brigid Laffan style to tell us if you are paid by the EU.I wont descend to your language but i am angry because people like you hoodwinked the Irish people with promises of prosperity and now look another generation of Irish people are emigrating,i emigrated in the sixties but was lucky to get back,i dont see the present emigrants ever returning and thats the fault of the European elite who have been bought.Being bought was a valuable lesson for ye because ye used it to buy the second Lisbon vote.

I'm still waiting for the "proof" of your allegations

Tell me how i can prove them and i will try.I notice you again dont respond to my questions the most important one being are you paid by Europe directly or indirectly.During the Lisbon debate all these people were trotted out by the yes side supposedly impartial but they turned out to have a vested interest.The most memorable event in the debate was when Brigid Laffan was exposed as an employee of Europe not the honest broker she claimed,there was a photo in the paper some weeks back of the same Brigid Laffan conferring an honoury degree on Brendan Halligan i found it nauseating they are still paying each other back.

Firstly you never asked me a question about where I worked. You made a throwaway comment at the end of your post at 17:52 about where you think I work or earn a living.

Secondly I asked you to provide a link to a reputable news website story showing that Europe has blocked our attempts to curb sham marriages and welfare fraud. Personally I don't believe you can do it because I don't believe it to be true.

The EU is many things, some good and some bad (I certainly disagree with the payment of childrens' allowance to children who don't live in Ireland). But to claim that they are blocking our attempts to curb welfare fraud and sham marriages is hard to believe. But I'll hold my hand up and admit I was wrong if you can provide me with some believable form of evidence.

And to answer your obsessive query I'm from Africa originally, married to a Lithuanian girl who I never met before our wedding day and haven't seen for about 2 years now. I live in Newry but travel down to Dundalk every week to draw my dole. What do you do yourself?

I never intended to insult you but the question about your being paid by the EU was to see if you had a vested interest.I was disappointed when listening to reasoned debates to discover that one side was concealing a vested interest, the worst of these was Brigid Laffan, i thought she was a professor so i listened to her arguments,they were well made but when it was revealed she was just doing  her job i realised that all the yes side were doing it for money and as usual the ordinary people were left to pick up the bill.
A lack of knowledge of computers is hampering me in providing you with links.Dermot Aherne in conjunction with the Danish government looked for derogation on some human rights law to prevent sham marriages the European courts turned them down.
I worked in England for close on twenty years was lucky enough to get back to my beloved Tipperary where i now farm forty acres of land,i also follow the horses.

db1974....You have gone quiet.It seems to me you learned well from the yes campaign,again in Brigid Laffan like fashion you conceal your vested interest,i do not believe you are African indeed from your user name i can deduce you are a 36 year old Dublin born civil servant with some European connection.I was up front and gave a laymans point of you dont you think you should have done the same.

There is very little point in having a debate with someone who cannot provide some form of backup for their wild claims.

Until you can provide some sort of evidence that the EU blocked our attempts to curb social welfare fraud and sham marriages this thread/debate is a waste of time.

At least give me some more detailed information:

1. What type of social welfare fraud is alleged? Why is it fraudulent and why would the EU have a vested interest in blocking our attempts to curb it?

2. Where are these sham marriages supposed to have taken place? Who is alleged to have gotten married and again, why would the EU have a vested interest in blocking our attempts to curb them?


You clearly cannot answer these questions or even provide one example of either allegation so you are attempting to deflect your own incapabilities/inadequacies back to me by claiming that I have a vested interest in Europe (again without any evidence whatsoever).

If the best you can do is baseless allegations then I would suggest that you let the thread die

db 1974 , wildman is correct about the sham marriages , i remember reading about it myself about a year ago ... not quiet sure how they termed it , but it was something to do with THEIR rights ..... amazing but true ... i think the uk had the same problem with a simular european ruling .... but now seem to have taken matters into their own hands .....

Well if 2 people read something a year ago then it MUST be true

Right - did my own digging

Sham Marriages
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper
/opinion/2010/1012/1224280877982.html

This article basically states that Ireland is one of the easiest countries in the EU to enter into a sham marriage because our laws aren't good enough to allow the Gardai and other law enforcement agencies to ask questions that can be asked in other European countries (eg - registrars can stop the marriage if they have suspicions and also both spouses can face jail time if convicted)

The fact that other European countries can ask these questions would indicate 2 things:

1. Ireland has shoddy laws in this area (no surprise there)
2. The EU doesn't have a problem with proper laws being enforced.

The EU does have a problem with across-the-board questions being asked and to some extent, this is fair enough. It stinks of racism to ask EVERY single Latvian woman and Pakistani man if their marriage is a real one or a fake one (nationalities are from the article in case anyone thinks I is racist!). Imagine if the IRA detonated a bomb in England and EVERY single Irish person was dragged into a police station in the UK to answer questions about there whereabouts.

So the problem actually lies with our law-making agencies, aka The Government. Nothing to do with the EU at all.

For the benefit of db1974 see my computer skills have improved.

The Movement is Growing Wildman,More people are coming in,We are getting to Know people that we did not know before,Great Stuff!

Here wildman - from politics.ie:
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EU limits Irish Government's 'sham marriage' investigations -

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Am I the only one who finds it incredible that the EU will continually interfere in the details of a states legal system, this time the EU wants to prevent Ireland investigating the acting against sham marriages so people can enter and stay in state under false pretenses?
Ireland should be allowed to do this, the EU should not interfere.
Another reason not to hand over more power to the EU institutions.


Quote:
IRISH GOVERNMENT investigations into “sham marriages” must not encroach on European citizens and their non-EU spouses’ right to move freely in the EU, say new guidelines.

The guidelines due to be published tomorrow by the European Commission also say the same fundamental right of free movement in the EU also applies to non-EU partners in “durable relationships” who are not married.

The guidelines have been drawn up in response to complaints voiced by Ireland and Denmark following a landmark ruling by the European Court of Justice (ECJ) in 2008 in the Metock v Ireland case.

This test case was taken by four married couples living in Ireland who faced deportation. In each case the four EU citizens married asylum seekers, whose request for leave to remain in the Republic was subsequently rejected by the Minister for Justice. The Government argued unsuccessfully that it should be allowed to deport non-EU spouses who had not lived in another EU state prior to arriving in Ireland, to combat “marriages of convenience”. 

Wednesday, July 1, 2009
JAMIE SMYTH European Correspondent
EU sets limits on Government's 'sham marriage' investigations
EU sets limits on Government's 'sham marriage' investigations - The Irish Times - Wed, Jul 01, 2009

Thanks for that,as your user name suggests you are a true patriot.I too am disgusted the way all our laws are challenged by the E.U. and some hotshot lawyers trying to circumvent the rules, with the same lawyers getting paid by the state.
Wonder will db1974 withdraw the lie accusation?

Again for the benefit of db1974..In the Irish Times today page 4 you will see the link you demanded before,maybe now you will withdraw the lie accusation and answer the questions you evaded.
Do you think the E.U. treated us fairly with regard the alleged bail out?
Do you still think there are no sham marriages and that the E.U.does not interfere with Irish laws?

Ha - I saw this yesterday actually and remembered this discussion - I thought the thread would be gone at this stage so didn't bother looking for it.

Not before time , why wouldn't they flock here , get married , get all the benefits , and all it takes is , a few back handers here and there ..There should be a inquiry about how this was allowed for so long....

I see you've learned to bring up old threads Wildman, another weapon in your arsenal!!

i think you'll find it was db1974 who brought this thread back up.

No actually wildman brought it up but his post has been deleted for some reason. TBH I don't know why as there was absolutely nothing in it which would warrant deletion IMO. He merely referenced the fact that Joan Burton had mentioned new measures to combat these sham marriages.

Something is rotten in the State of Denmark here methinks.