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01 Jun 10
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the new forum lay out........
the new "front page" on betfair......... complete joke, imo
an lastly, israel.....i'm now against them , not that they are worried, they have the mighty free usa behind them.
the new "front page" on betfair......... complete joke, imo
an lastly, israel.....i'm now against them , not that they are worried, they have the mighty free usa behind them.
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yep, its ok to be a terrorist nation if you have the usa backing you .
Agree about Israel, fkn hate them, what they get away with is unbelievable - just because of their Uncle Sam!
Do you see they Israeli ambassador on rte news yesterday - claimed they were fire upon and attacked with knives - by fkn Aid workers!! I'm neither anti-semitic nor racist, but fk I'd love to see Israel fall into the sea!
Do you see they Israeli ambassador on rte news yesterday - claimed they were fire upon and attacked with knives - by fkn Aid workers!! I'm neither anti-semitic nor racist, but fk I'd love to see Israel fall into the sea!
Anyone who starts a statement with "I'm neither anti-semitic nor racist" is normally both.
....I felt the need to say that, as it appears you cannot have a strong opinion on any political matter without been branded with a label such as racist!
You wanted an entire nation to fall into the sea, it's pretty much as racist as you can get.
Not to mention it's one of the most persecuted nations in the history of the world.
Also lol at your use of the world "claim" and use of the word "aid workers". There's plenty of video evidence of the "aid workers" attacking the Israeli soldiers as they boarded the vessel, they also threw a firebomb and beat them with iron bars. The ship that they boarded is sponsored by the Turkish IHH, a group that openly supports Hamas and even goes as far as funding the families of suicide bombers. Anyone who believes that the ship's sole purpose was to deliver "aid" is insane. Most of the "aid" that gets to Palestine is taken by Hamas anyway and not distributed to the actual innocent people who need it.
It's no surprise that most Irish people take the side of the Palestine's anyway given we've openly celebrated terrorism for years. You can join the rest of the Sinn Feiner's at there protest vigils over the coming days anyway.
Not to mention it's one of the most persecuted nations in the history of the world.
Also lol at your use of the world "claim" and use of the word "aid workers". There's plenty of video evidence of the "aid workers" attacking the Israeli soldiers as they boarded the vessel, they also threw a firebomb and beat them with iron bars. The ship that they boarded is sponsored by the Turkish IHH, a group that openly supports Hamas and even goes as far as funding the families of suicide bombers. Anyone who believes that the ship's sole purpose was to deliver "aid" is insane. Most of the "aid" that gets to Palestine is taken by Hamas anyway and not distributed to the actual innocent people who need it.
It's no surprise that most Irish people take the side of the Palestine's anyway given we've openly celebrated terrorism for years. You can join the rest of the Sinn Feiner's at there protest vigils over the coming days anyway.
Maybe you want Nazi Germany, Iran or North Korea to have or to fall(en) into the sea too. I don't see what "race" has to do with it. Presumably if they were anti-Semitic they'd want New York to fall into the sea too. That persecution has long since stopped. They are now the aggressors, they know how to dish it out now too.
Commandos descended from helicopters onto ships, in international waters, in the dead of night. This is called "piracy". You're entitled to defend your ships from piracy. They are no different legally than Somali pirates. Also, the weapons they had were improvised, from the kitchen. Surely, if they were expecting confrontation with Israel in this way the crews would have brought more to the party than kitchen knives. They have also kidnapped Irish citizens in international waters and have brought them to Israel to be deported, you support the kidnap of Irish citizens presumably.
You obviously don't have any facts Allez, only generalisations, the aid distributed in Gaza is done mainly by the UN and other aid agencies, all who say Hamas by and large leaves them to get on with the job. Hamas has their tunnels for their own needs and it's money, not power, that gets you decent supplies in Gaza. Supplies are available for the rich. Aid doesn't come into it. There were no weapons on board, there was only aid, but seeing how Israel bans pencils, chocolate and cement from reaching Gaza the ships had to be stopped of course.
So get some facts and knowledge of the subject behind you before spouting off. Grown up people know what the situation is. It amounts to a more considered viewpoint than "ah sure Hamas are bad aren't they". You child.
Commandos descended from helicopters onto ships, in international waters, in the dead of night. This is called "piracy". You're entitled to defend your ships from piracy. They are no different legally than Somali pirates. Also, the weapons they had were improvised, from the kitchen. Surely, if they were expecting confrontation with Israel in this way the crews would have brought more to the party than kitchen knives. They have also kidnapped Irish citizens in international waters and have brought them to Israel to be deported, you support the kidnap of Irish citizens presumably.
You obviously don't have any facts Allez, only generalisations, the aid distributed in Gaza is done mainly by the UN and other aid agencies, all who say Hamas by and large leaves them to get on with the job. Hamas has their tunnels for their own needs and it's money, not power, that gets you decent supplies in Gaza. Supplies are available for the rich. Aid doesn't come into it. There were no weapons on board, there was only aid, but seeing how Israel bans pencils, chocolate and cement from reaching Gaza the ships had to be stopped of course.
So get some facts and knowledge of the subject behind you before spouting off. Grown up people know what the situation is. It amounts to a more considered viewpoint than "ah sure Hamas are bad aren't they". You child.
I can tell by the way, that all you know about the whole situation you've picked up in the last 5 minutes. Information you've filtered out as it only suits your own blinkered viewpoint.
From today's Haaretz, Israel's liberal daily newspaper.
When a regular, well-armed, well-trained army goes to war against a "freedom flotilla" of civilian vessels laden with civilians, food and medication, the outcome is foretold - and it doesn't matter whether the confrontation achieved its goal and prevented the flotilla from reaching Gaza. The violent confrontation, whether caused by poor military planning or poor execution, resulted from flawed policy, wars of prestige, and from a profound misunderstanding of the confrontation's meanings and repercussions.
The grave political damage caused by the confrontation is all too clear. Relations with Turkey will probably deteriorate further, and there may even be serious damage on the official level. The proximity talks with the Palestinians, which started lamely and with low expectations, will have trouble proceeding, now that Israel has attacked a ship intended to aid Gazans languishing under a four-year siege. Hamas claimed an outstanding victory without firing a single rocket, Egypt is under redoubled pressure to undermine the siege by opening the Rafah crossing, and it's reasonable to assume Europe and the United States will not be able to let Israel get away with a mere reprimand.
All these developments are little surprise to anyone, and shouldn't have surprised the policy makers in Jerusalem. Nevertheless, it seemed no one could resist the temptation to show the Israel Defense Forces' strength in a place the IDF should not have been in the first place. Because the question was not who would win the confrontation, but who would win more public opinion points. In this test, Benjamin Netanyahu's government failed completely. Israel let its policy of maintaining the siege on Gaza become an existential matter. This policy boomeranged and cost Israel its international legitimacy.
The decision makers' negligence is threatening the security of Israelis, and Israel's global status. Someone must be held responsible for this disgraceful failure. There is no way to convince Israel's citizens and its friends around the world that Israel regrets the confrontation and its results, and is learning from its errors, other than setting up a state inquiry committee to investigate the decision-making process, and to decide who should pay for this dangerous policy.
When a regular, well-armed, well-trained army goes to war against a "freedom flotilla" of civilian vessels laden with civilians, food and medication, the outcome is foretold - and it doesn't matter whether the confrontation achieved its goal and prevented the flotilla from reaching Gaza. The violent confrontation, whether caused by poor military planning or poor execution, resulted from flawed policy, wars of prestige, and from a profound misunderstanding of the confrontation's meanings and repercussions.
The grave political damage caused by the confrontation is all too clear. Relations with Turkey will probably deteriorate further, and there may even be serious damage on the official level. The proximity talks with the Palestinians, which started lamely and with low expectations, will have trouble proceeding, now that Israel has attacked a ship intended to aid Gazans languishing under a four-year siege. Hamas claimed an outstanding victory without firing a single rocket, Egypt is under redoubled pressure to undermine the siege by opening the Rafah crossing, and it's reasonable to assume Europe and the United States will not be able to let Israel get away with a mere reprimand.
All these developments are little surprise to anyone, and shouldn't have surprised the policy makers in Jerusalem. Nevertheless, it seemed no one could resist the temptation to show the Israel Defense Forces' strength in a place the IDF should not have been in the first place. Because the question was not who would win the confrontation, but who would win more public opinion points. In this test, Benjamin Netanyahu's government failed completely. Israel let its policy of maintaining the siege on Gaza become an existential matter. This policy boomeranged and cost Israel its international legitimacy.
The decision makers' negligence is threatening the security of Israelis, and Israel's global status. Someone must be held responsible for this disgraceful failure. There is no way to convince Israel's citizens and its friends around the world that Israel regrets the confrontation and its results, and is learning from its errors, other than setting up a state inquiry committee to investigate the decision-making process, and to decide who should pay for this dangerous policy.
We all know the plight of the Jewish people Allez, but does that make their persecution of Palestine right? Just? I don't fkn think so!!
To carpet bomb a whole city and block entry to it for all aid etc is genocide nothing less!
They don't even want foreign media or governments to see what they are at.
Ok, they want rid of Hamas, but what they have done will have turned even the most neutral Palestinian towards them!!
To carpet bomb a whole city and block entry to it for all aid etc is genocide nothing less!
They don't even want foreign media or governments to see what they are at.
Ok, they want rid of Hamas, but what they have done will have turned even the most neutral Palestinian towards them!!
Ricky you are so painfully clueless, it must be an effort for you to function on a daily basis. It was no surprise you would turn up here, given your past postings on similar subject matters.
- These "aid workers" were deliberately trying to break a blockade of Gaza, put in place because of thousands of terrorist attacks on innocent Israeli civilians.
- The ship was sponsored and manned by a shady "pro-Israeli" violence organisation.
- Maritime Law actually allows you to stop vessels believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture".
- These "aid workers" could have pulled into port, and not tried to breach the blockade or when stopped they could have peacefully surrendered, instead they chose to attack armed soldiers with iron bars, home-made firebombs and knives. You could argue they deserve to be shot for this stupidity alone.
I'm not going to go into a debate on the entire conflict, as it's pretty much pointless with someone of your viewpoint.
- These "aid workers" were deliberately trying to break a blockade of Gaza, put in place because of thousands of terrorist attacks on innocent Israeli civilians.
- The ship was sponsored and manned by a shady "pro-Israeli" violence organisation.
- Maritime Law actually allows you to stop vessels believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture".
- These "aid workers" could have pulled into port, and not tried to breach the blockade or when stopped they could have peacefully surrendered, instead they chose to attack armed soldiers with iron bars, home-made firebombs and knives. You could argue they deserve to be shot for this stupidity alone.
I'm not going to go into a debate on the entire conflict, as it's pretty much pointless with someone of your viewpoint.
The whole blockade of Gaza is Illegal, and disgraceful to say the least!
What about the poor innocent Palestinians Allez? Or are they all members of Hamas iyo?
What about the poor innocent Palestinians Allez? Or are they all members of Hamas iyo?
Down, lets say Israel get rid of the blockade and allow a Hamas ruled country to bring in what it wants, free trade so to speak. What if they use to bring in weapons more destructive that the rocket-launchers they are using and it is clear from their aims they will kill Israeli civilians.
I actually don't agree with the way they enforce the blockade, it's definitely damaging to some of the Palestined who deserve our sympathy. I would also agree that more genuine aid workers should be let in. However while I disagree with some of the methods if implementation I agree entirely with the reasoning behind it. Allowing Hamas to be supplied unchecked by the Israeli's would lead to the deaths of Israeli citizens.
I actually don't agree with the way they enforce the blockade, it's definitely damaging to some of the Palestined who deserve our sympathy. I would also agree that more genuine aid workers should be let in. However while I disagree with some of the methods if implementation I agree entirely with the reasoning behind it. Allowing Hamas to be supplied unchecked by the Israeli's would lead to the deaths of Israeli citizens.
Anyway pointless argument to be honest, don't know why I got into it. Good luck Down, you are one of the better posters on here to be fair.
Find one thing I've said which is untrue. I've found plenty of things you've said is untrue. You've ignored them and some important facts I've pointed out.
The blockade is illegal. The blockade is not designed to stop terrorist attacks but to punish Gazans for voting for Hamas in democratic elections and to generally make life intolerable there in order to main control over it. The last thing Israel wants is economic development and an improvement in the quality of life under Hamas, if at all. As a senior adviser to Sharon said, "we're putting them on a diet".
Boarding the ships was an act of piracy, you ignore this, the crew were clearly in fear of their lives. They were entitled to defend their ship. There is some evidence, and I would accept it over the word of the IDF, that not only did the Israelis fire first but they came onto at least one ship with the objective of assassinating at least one individual. The IDF are a totally discredited organisation, nothing they say can be taken at face value and there's no act so low they couldn't carry out. Including for example shelling women and children in UN compounds. Found to be a deliberate act by an independent investigation.
The blockade has no basis in law therefore your quote is bullsh1t. Maritime law comes down heavily on the side of the humanitarian flotilla if you're so clued in on it. The ships were in international waters and Israel had no right to board or inspect it. But sure ignore facts that don't fit in with your opinion. The flotilla had given Israel at chances at both endpoints to inspect the cargo, just not by bringing it to a port where it would be stripped bare of anything useful. You say Hamas interferes with aid, it doesn't, Israel interferes with aid. No cement for example. It wants Palestinians to live in a piss poor society.
The aid workers could and should not have pulled into any Israeli port where their cargo would have been pillaged.
The blockade is illegal. The blockade is not designed to stop terrorist attacks but to punish Gazans for voting for Hamas in democratic elections and to generally make life intolerable there in order to main control over it. The last thing Israel wants is economic development and an improvement in the quality of life under Hamas, if at all. As a senior adviser to Sharon said, "we're putting them on a diet".
Boarding the ships was an act of piracy, you ignore this, the crew were clearly in fear of their lives. They were entitled to defend their ship. There is some evidence, and I would accept it over the word of the IDF, that not only did the Israelis fire first but they came onto at least one ship with the objective of assassinating at least one individual. The IDF are a totally discredited organisation, nothing they say can be taken at face value and there's no act so low they couldn't carry out. Including for example shelling women and children in UN compounds. Found to be a deliberate act by an independent investigation.
The blockade has no basis in law therefore your quote is bullsh1t. Maritime law comes down heavily on the side of the humanitarian flotilla if you're so clued in on it. The ships were in international waters and Israel had no right to board or inspect it. But sure ignore facts that don't fit in with your opinion. The flotilla had given Israel at chances at both endpoints to inspect the cargo, just not by bringing it to a port where it would be stripped bare of anything useful. You say Hamas interferes with aid, it doesn't, Israel interferes with aid. No cement for example. It wants Palestinians to live in a piss poor society.
The aid workers could and should not have pulled into any Israeli port where their cargo would have been pillaged.
GL Allez, this is why I didn't start this thread myself, because I knew what would happen. 
And this is nothing compared to what Israel has done in the last 4 year. Killing over 2,000 innocent people and destroying half of Lebanon and what was there of Gaza to begin with. They're terrorists, nothing more.
Hamas can get anything it wants in through it's tunnels, their missiles are crude home made devices anyway, petrol and metal.
Hamas has made serious efforts to stop missiles being fired into Israel. You surely aren't clued in enough to know this Allez but there is more than Hamas in Gaza. Hamas are actually effectively policing Gaza for Israel. Something you surely don't know either is Hamas offering Israel some pretty generous ceasefires, but given Israel doesn't want to talk to Hamas, under a pretence, it's a non runner.
But don't let these inconvenient facts keep you from taking in hook, line and sinker the narrative put out by senior Israelis and believed by idiots.
Allez 01 Jun 10 11:41
Down, lets say Israel get rid of the blockade and allow a Hamas ruled country to bring in what it wants, free trade so to speak. What if they use to bring in weapons more destructive that the rocket-launchers they are using and it is clear from their aims they will kill Israeli civilians.
I actually don't agree with the way they enforce the blockade, it's definitely damaging to some of the Palestined who deserve our sympathy. I would also agree that more genuine aid workers should be let in. However while I disagree with some of the methods if implementation I agree entirely with the reasoning behind it. Allowing Hamas to be supplied unchecked by the Israeli's would lead to the deaths of Israeli citizens.
Hamas has made serious efforts to stop missiles being fired into Israel. You surely aren't clued in enough to know this Allez but there is more than Hamas in Gaza. Hamas are actually effectively policing Gaza for Israel. Something you surely don't know either is Hamas offering Israel some pretty generous ceasefires, but given Israel doesn't want to talk to Hamas, under a pretence, it's a non runner.
But don't let these inconvenient facts keep you from taking in hook, line and sinker the narrative put out by senior Israelis and believed by idiots.
Allez 01 Jun 10 11:41
Down, lets say Israel get rid of the blockade and allow a Hamas ruled country to bring in what it wants, free trade so to speak. What if they use to bring in weapons more destructive that the rocket-launchers they are using and it is clear from their aims they will kill Israeli civilians.
I actually don't agree with the way they enforce the blockade, it's definitely damaging to some of the Palestined who deserve our sympathy. I would also agree that more genuine aid workers should be let in. However while I disagree with some of the methods if implementation I agree entirely with the reasoning behind it. Allowing Hamas to be supplied unchecked by the Israeli's would lead to the deaths of Israeli citizens.
allez, is you the israeli ambassador to Ireland.....bet you are.
cant disagree with one word that ricky has posted on this thread, surprisingly 
have a look over on chit chat guy called mister p .gives a new version of who was on that aid ship.
I don't know or care who was on it I do know they were unarmed and their objective was to get to Gaza. That's all they wanted.
Said i'd leave it, but, they shot 19 people wielding sticks(their own footage!), and have 6 Irish Citizens hostage!!!!!
Good to see the Irish Government have a pair of balls for once!!!!!
Good to see the Irish Government have a pair of balls for once!!!!!
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