Selfish Public Servents holding Ireland to Ransom!

The staff in these offices don't want this carry on, it's a thankless enough job working in a public office at the best of times.
They are missing out on overtime and thats bad enough in todays climate as part of the unions directive.

I worked in an African country in the 1970. The binmen went on strike. The army were called out, but they were not there to empty bins. The rifles were**ed, the bins got emptied. Strike over.
Ah the good old days.

Lol

in my own town today I saw a women knacker driving a silver 2010 Mercedes!!

She must have at least ten kids, this is the only way I can see her paying for the car, a combination of childers allowances and sending the elder childers out in vans to the rural areas to go rip off feeble pensioners

ten kids is par for the course...and unlike the Working man Travellers get their child allowance reduction from the budget reimbursed in their weekly dole...travellers the only people with money in most towns

Can anyone tell me why they don't just go on full strike ??

They would not be paid if going on strike but are being at the moment.

I'm always amused with idiots like timberman until i looked at boards.ie and seen thousands of posts about the public sector and a thread about seanie fitz receive a dozen replies , ample evidence that behan was right , and now i still laugh about timberman and his threads on a gambling forum.

tobywong. 23 Mar 00:25
" I'm always amused with idiots like timberman until i looked at boards.ie and seen.... "

Hard to believe this man is being paid to teach our kids

ho ho ho jolly another begrudger

Toby are you working in the passport office LAUGHING at people outside?....Hope you'll still be laughing when they cut your overpaid wages again....

Thanks Joe,

Does the union not pay their members when they are striking ? I mean surely the unions would have a big war- chest from the boom ?

I think they are being very badly advised by their union bosses, this is going to back fire on them, and they will lose what little public support they may have had. The public are not going to blame the gov, they will blame the union and their members. In my opinion they should either strike or go back to work.

Toby, i would have to agree with you on seanie and the lack of interest in what he has done compared to the level of interest in the public service debate. I think that the average person can't grasp that they are directly on the line for seanie his buddys and nama for that matter, they don't think it effects them :(

:^0 good old Paddy, free holidays at the passport office :^0

Bomb scare at the passport office building :^0
Just in time for lunch.

I'd sack the lot of them!!!!
Everyone has hardship, they should be thankful to have jobs!

I borrowed this from another forum , it is hard to deny any of it:

When the government targeted and scapegoated the rank and file public servants for savage paycuts, they seem to forget that they actually do provide the services that keep this country functioning.

So what do you expect when the 23 ministers go on 8 to 15 day junkets, when the bankers pay themselves bonuses, when NAMA give themselves pay increases before they start, advised by the very people who caused this mess in the first place, when the State Boards are filled with political cronies, when all regulations have been suspended for the past decade, when we build a monument to international tax evasion in the IFSC, when billions of tax payers money is handed over to corrupt and bankrupt banks, when the Sunday Indo et al blame the public servants, what do you really expect?

Reaction is understandable.

In this pantheon of failure, the public servants were the least of the contributors!

Yeah, but ....
.... the failures are in the past.

Now we have to pay ourselves what we are worth. That is happening in industry.

Public servants are ALWAYS the least of the contributors.

It's all about realism.

There is no doubt that public servants didn't directly cause the banks to collapse but everyone jumped on board the good ship Tiger and were happy to see their house price go up.

Every sector be it public or private has or in the case of the public sector now has to face facts that as a country we aren't competitive at our current pay rates.

Undoubtedly the average public sector contributes a good days work and deserves to be rewarded for it. The failure of management and the government to manage costs and structure does not mean public servant employees are expect from pay and pension decreases. The latter being the one in my opinion which needs to be changed dramatically.

Realistically everyone in Ireland needs to accept pension and pay restructuring, the public sector can't hold the country to ransom on two fronts. Nothing happening because they are on strike and stifling any chance of a return to consistent growth by placing a massive lending burden on the country to pay for them.

I don't blame them for striking but the party is over and they have to go back to work with a hangover.

Public Servents were quick enough to look for Benchmarking comparing themselves to the private sector now lets compare again and reduce wages by at least 20%

the reality is that the state is borrowing approx 30% of public sector pay even after the cuts that have already been implemented. even when the economy starts to improve in a couple of years tax revenue will be nowhere near what it was during the bubble. public sector pay and pensions almost doubled in the last 8 years, which is testimony to the sheer incompetence and recklessness of the ahern era. i'm convinced there are still many poeople out there who still don't realise the scale of the bubble we were living in.

To be fair the public who left their passport till the last minute have only themselves to blame for the predicament they are in.
My passport is out in september i will get a new one before then and i dont have a holiday planned for september either.

Forget about passports..its the whole public service are paid more than the country can afford...

To be fair anyone under 30k isnt breaking the country , only if they are sitting on their rear reading the paper are they a waste of time.

The politicians in the senate and tds with pensions and expenses are no help at all

The social welfare system is breaking the country not the public servants

Pay for play should be enforced. Hourly rates that some "public servants" are earning are astronomical.

These 2 week Easter holidays are mega. Lots of p.s's up in arms ringing Joe Duffy I have been told by a few lay about chums.

Tony to be fair you cant blame some public servants for taking a stand now. The politicians have 2 pensiions that they are entitled to if they retire , the politicians want everyone to keep working till 68 and they dont
Its not a level playing field and there are more nasty budgets promised
There are loads of ways to trim and save money but the govt havent the balls to do it and possibly harm themselves

Many are earning too much money macrocky. With the guaranteed job security they should be hit harder and have their pension schemes moved to defined contribution. These pension payments are breaking the exchequer.

Unpalatable, but required medicine I'm afraid.

the wages have to come down

FOR ALL OF US

not just the public sector, most in the private sector have taken pay cuts but i have yet to see doctor fees fall or dentist fees or solictors fees

but above all we must demand, not just hope that the whole tds and senate sc am be shut down

people like mary hanafin getting huge pensions through her td and her school job is just ridiclous

theres a real mary antoinette about these politicians, they claim all these expenses and perks and then cut the rest of us and take away more and more off our income

OFF WITH THEIR F FING HEADS!!!!

lets get the guillotine ready outside leinster house before the feckers go on their easter break which will last till prob June

tony i know a guy who would have been private sector , when times were good id say himself and his wife were bringing in 2 grand a week nett into the house maybe some weeks it may have been more.
He is out of work now, but the likes of him cant say public sector are well treated as he probably made 3 times any public sector worker earned a few years ago
Tradesmen and professionals made far more than any public sector worker when times were good, noone was queueing up to be a clerk or a postman or a welfare officer then.

I think the govt must give themselves a look in the mirror and then the country will take cuts if deemed necessary.

Passport office workers are being treated disgracefully imho.

To have an employer go on national radio and "threaten" them shows the disregard this government has for the people.

Truth is that 2/3 of the passport printers are being fixed and the ban on overtime pay has meant that a backlog has occured.

This is completely the foreign affairs departments fault.

Of course its all well and good for Martin et al to go on radio and moralise about wage cuts whilst himself, harney et al go on junkets in the name of St Patrick.... a disgrace.

and as for the morons queing at the passport office.
Learn how to prepare for a trip abroad in future instead of wailing.

Honeslty macrocky the pension situation is a crippler. Some eejits on here dont even know the value of this gold dust.

Not many employers in the private sector offer guaranteed pensions any longer - they are too costly.

By the way I'm not getting at lower paid p.s's. Some of the staff with long service are earning ridiculous salaries compared to their younger more energetic innovative colleagues.

I see your point tony but i do think public sector workers are a easy target, you couldnt retire on a public service pension unless you are on serious money , grade 6 emloyees or management.

If i remember the rte programme on welfare fraud a few months ago it was argued there could be as much as 2 billion a year wasted in waste and fradulent and mismanaged claims annually
That would have gone a long way towards tax cuts.

There is hell to come , strikes are coming and the govt are going to have to be more innovative and intelligent in finding money as well as looking at areas like the senate, no more stupid inquiries where the lawyers/barristers clean up

cailini knows it all ;)

No doubt about it macrocky the length of Kildare Street needs a good hosing down.

Cheers tobywong, you took the hint.

:^0

If they dont want to to there Job ...Simples ...Sack them
Plenty out there to take their job

But they do want the job.
The problem is they are not being given the tools to do it.
The printers are flood damaged beyond repair.

How do you expect them to issue passports with no printers?
Crayons and colouring book maybe?

Nobody wanted these public sector jobs during the boom.....why?..........are they that well paid.

Timberman.....you sound like the lads that drink in my local talking about the good old days in construction.

Have they ever heard of overtime ??? ...Some of us in the real "Private" sector do this for no pay when were behind or have deadlines to make . Its called working :)

Tony Fenton.......how many employers did a legger with so called employee pensions and prsi contributions only for the poor people to find this out while trying to sign on..........bad enough having to wait 6 to 10 weeks.

And others just gave it to brokers/gamblers.

wowiezowiee 23 Mar 21:18


Have they ever heard of overtime ??? ...Some of us in the real "Private" sector do this for no pay when were behind or have deadlines to make . Its called working

You are obviously self employed.........fair play to you.

gant , i suspect tony cailinideas fenton is a gambler in more ways than one ;)

Gant..you are dodging the point you & other Public Servents took the Benchmarking when things were good of 28% rise to keep up with Private sector now private sector down 50% so ye should take a minimum of 20% cut bar those earning less than 30K

Have they ever heard of overtime ???

Have you heard of work to rule?

private sector down 50%......will you come on.

gant, not worth it , he has a huge block on the shoulder and will just pick random figures off his head.

toby you just keep convincing yourself your worth your wages as the country goes hungry..you selfish tossser.......country broke and you wont give up a euro...quick enough to look for your benchmarking during the good times!!!....

I know toby.........I have an hour to kill sitting in the new jeep while the missus baths the 10 kids in the caravan.........Tuesday night is bath night.

private sector down 50%......will you come on.

I work in the Private sector that is utter B*ll*cks :^0
Plenty have been laid off but wages have not been cut by 50%

'Diamond' Joe Quimby 23 Mar 21:47


private sector down 50%......will you come on.

I work in the Private sector that is utter B*ll*cks
Plenty have been laid off but wages have not been cut by 50%

Only responding to Timberman's claims/figures.......

I know Gant :)

loads have lost their jobs, that surely equates to a 50% drop even if our dole is best in europe but for single male not so good, those that have held onto their jobs have seen cuts well in excess of 20%, others have had to emmigrate or in extreme cases things are so bad topped themselves..............a lot worse than a 10% cut on a public service job working at half pace....

my god , you aint got a clue

No Toby you havent got a clue in your nice public service cocoon!!

in all fairness to the these guys on strike, they dont want to be and are forced to be by unions - whether they voted for it or not.

i dont agree with all these strikes but i cant blame guys for trying to look after their own interests - i do the same.

Whichwasnice.....I think you hit the nail on the head with your last sentence.

Anglo staff to receive pay rises, good god what have we come to in this country.

the unemployed should be out on the streets and remove this gombeen government.

^ Biffo got a new hole ripped by Gilmore again today. Even Kenny made him look a chump.

White flag will be out soon.

Someone asked above had we heard about "work to rule". I'm retired now but never worked in a place where there was "work to rule" or a "go slow". Any place those practices take place must be a place that is not managed.

Agreed Kincsem.

Any "Manager" worth his salt would not go on national radio and "Threaten" his employees ala Michael Martin.

wayne dundon driving to dublin looking for his passport tomorrow..explain to him about pay cuts!

No problems in the Cork passport office, so I'm told. All priority passporst issued on time for the public.

remember the german ambassador when he said 4 years ago that this country was heading for disaster. he couldn't believe the number of people who were employed by the state. about 350,000 int he public sector, 150,000 in health and god only knows how many in semi states and quangos. there were very few people hired by export companies because we were so uncompetitive. our cost base is too high mainly because we have so many people employed i sheltered sectors of the economy.

Great grey..........this country was blinkered by money............a 17/18 year old straight out of school was getting €1000/1200 on the sites labouring granted he had to work till 1pm on a Saturday, hungover..........before you shoot me down I am referring to my own brother.
He was lucky enough that he had his college place deferred.
Lads on the sites for years (friends and family included) believed there was nothing outside the construction industry and are finding it very hard to adapt. Hardest hit idustry.

also greediest industry gant, when things were good!

now theres nothing outside cushy public sector jobs where you need only to sit upright in your seat to guarantee 40 years soft wages!

All former construction workers crying in their milk now that the gravy train is gone , pathetic .

I know lads in their 30s who say they may never work again as its all they know.

Get off your fkn ar ses and retrain or lose your social ya lazy f cuks .

The public sector jobs were all advertised in the national papers and the tests held at centres nationwide. They were open to all citizens.

To be honest most good tradesmen and hard grafters are still picking up work.

these people who have lost their jobs were paying loads of taxs which helped overpay the public sevent and give them all these rises for ** nothing only turning up .... but now the dough aint there to pay these hundreds of thousands of overpaid lazy selfish gits like you!

Hold on you obviously ain't got a **g clue if your taring everyone with the same brush!!!!!

My mother works as a secretary in a secondary school. She does not get big wages, she gets payed very average wages. She only gets paid for the hours she works. When the school goes on holidays (summer, christmas, easter and mid term breaks) she has to go down and sign on the labour for the week or weeks she is missing. On these weeks she gets fook all money of the department of education and very little of the social welfare. She never got big raises and has now had her wages cut. Why should that be??

You seem to just harp on about the top bracket people who get payed fortunes. These people like my mother don't get paid fortunes and they should not be getting wages cut when those in the pay brackets above them lose fook all of their pay

well said A.I.

Excellent post as usual tobywong.

:|

cheers cailini old pal ;)

timberman.............time to take a chill pill and don't lose the run of yourself making up things for the sake of having a cut a public servants.

I'm sure if all private sector workers were tarred as developers, senior bankers, Barristers and their earnings.........would you be pleased.

Dont tar us all with what you read in the papers or even what Joe Duffy, Vincent Browne or Matt Cooper reckons.

GANT I dont blame the public servants. The example set by their pay masters doesn't encourage even adequate performance.

Most in the private sector look on aghast at many of the "work" practices and schedules in teh public sector.

Teachers hours, for example, are a little on the, how shall I say, light side.

ah tony take off that "know it all hat" , i thought you reserved that for cailini only :D

:^0 top form tobywong.

Most in the private sector look on aghast at many of the "work" practices and schedules in teh public sector.

What rubbish. I love the way the private sector of which i'm apart take the moral highground about work rate and efficiency. :^0
Both are about the same as regards workrate and efficiency imo.

Passport workers are spot on with this.
They have their pay cut whilst the likes of Harney, Cowen et al go on free holidays abroad in the name of paddys day. Even that clown George Lee gets free parking for life because he served in the dail for a few months and actually has the neck to use it. And then Hanafin gets paid a salary and pension for a job she doesnt do.

The cabinet is made up of teachers and lawyers. you couldn't make it up. Best of luck to the passport office workers.
I hope they stick to their guns and tell the likes of Michael Martin where to stick his threats.

awesome impact..i have sain previous postings anyone on under 30k shouldnt face any cuts...bit rich her having to sign on for the summer whilst teachers take 4 or 5 foeign holidays...teachers 22 weeks holidays a year is worthy of a place in the guiness book of records!!

Tony Fenton............Bank opening hours 10am to 4pm.........take 2 x 15min breaks and a 45 min lunch( 1 hour on Friday) not that long of a day.

Bank opening hours 10am to 4pm

The branches are open 10-4 but working hours are longer
9-6 in most cases.

banks customer hours are a joke , up to a few years ago the working man had to take time off to go to the bank.

'Diamond' Joe Quimby 24 Mar 22:11


Bank opening hours 10am to 4pm

The branches are open 10-4 but working hours are longer
9-6 in most cases.

I know, been there done that but others wouldn't believe it.
A bit like teachers hours taking out the 6 months holidays they receive.

Cuts need to be made from the top down and whilst the likes of Cowen, Lee, Harney, Hanafin et al refuse to disembark the gravy train, the passport workers have my full support.

Bit rich for someone employed in the education sector to say bank opening hours were a joke!!

And now that I think of it parents having to take half days for parent teacher meetings is not exactly a great badge of honour for your profession either.

fire with fire tomli ;)

GANT007 24 Mar 19:08
No problems in the Cork passport office, so I'm told. All priority passporst issued on time for the public.

Country of issue - REPUBLIC OF CORK :)

'Diamond' Joe Quimby

Politicians are public servants. Hope this helps.

Nice rant all the same.

:-)

Timbermans generalisations may be hard to swallow but the one telling All pathetic construction workers to stop crying, get off their lazy arses and retrain wins the Mcvitie.

cheers kk , i knew you would approve ;)

No problems in the Cork passport office, so I'm told. All priority passporst issued on time for the public

Smaller population in cork but its unimaginable there was 50/60 thousand stupid people in dublin leaving the country next weekend that hadnt their passport got.

Its not a sweetshop they were going passports have to be processed , i would leave them out in the rain, its their own stupidity that put them in a awkward situation now

The public service are right to take a stand. The govt are writing their own cheques, they have 2 or more pensions, they brought billy kelleher home for the dail vote theo other day at a cost of 6 grand and they tell people you must work till you are 68

Politicians are public servants. Hope this helps.

:) Lumping everyone in the same boat doesnt work sadly ;)

you know what i meant ;)

Macrocky spot on.

O'Cuiv actually tried blaming FG for Kelleher having to fly back.
Anyone care to expand why Billy Kelleher was in Australia???

What about the hundreds (maybe more) people that sent in their applications via post, most via the express passport system, which you probably pay more for!?



The whole country is a joke!!
And if we have to give Anglo another penny, never mind fkn Billion!! There should be hangings!!

A little song about passports :) :)

http://www.dublins98.ie/onair/shows/morning-crew/passport943/

The passport express should have been shut down when management and the DFAffairs realised it couldn't be fulfilled.

But Michael Martin is too busy in Paris and on radio threatening employees, whilst the manager**ey threatens employees with outsourcing to actually do this.

The hard pressed CPSU members should be thankful that their union subs will allow Blair Horan to retire on a monster pension.

These dudes are as bad as the politicians.

Good post KK.

:-)

According to 6-1 news, the pension office staff now hold a veto over any deal broked by Kieran Mulvey.


Are the CPSU absolutely f**king insane.

The entire public service is at the whim of the "passport office"

My sympathy has suddenly gone out the window.

Outsource the passport office and sack them.

Diamond Joe.............I don't think thats true.
Don't believe all you here off the well paid RTE people who are also paid by the taxpayer.

Why does all industrial action by civil & public service workers involve the withdrawal of services & hurting the public?
Do they not realise how self-defeatist these campaigns are?
The public suffers & public opinion against the unions grow.
That's no way to win support.
Why (for example) didn't all the staff in the passport office decide to wear sombreros or straw hats, pink t-shirts, giant ears or rubber red noses to work & continue perform as normal?
This would have had the same effect of raising awareness of their grievance, the public wouldn't suffer & they might actually get support.
Did a single member of Dail Eireann suffer personally through the passport office?
If the sombrero wearing scneme is not seen as militant enough, why didn't the passport office cancel Mary Harney's passport when she was in New Zealand?

But what really gets my goat is this.
I know someone who needed to renew his passport to get to Cheltenham. He has political contacts & he was able to obtain his passport @ 5pm on Monday 15th March.
So it appears that this industrial action is in place primarily to inconvenience the public whilst still function efficiently for those with political clout.

Trent razor.............the staff were guided by the unions.
Did it work ................Yes.
It also worked for Construction workers on sites over the years, farmers and taxi drivers.......so the secret is out upset the public and people will take you serious.
Most emergency passports were issued if the staff got enough time and as for cheltenham those without passports usually go on the boat. Very silly to book a ryanair flight without a passport.