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Any opinions on this?
Big Buck's 3/1
Voy Por Ustedes 5/1
Master Minded 7/1
Celestial Halo 12/1
Binocular 14/1
Imperial Commander 16/1
Punjabi 16/1
Denman 20/1
Kauto Star 20/1
Well Chief 20/1
Madison Du Berlais 25/1
Mighty Man 25/1
Kalahari King 33/1
Karabak 33/1
Katchit 33/1
Monet's Garden 33/1
Nacarat 33/1
Tidal Bay 33/1
Zaynar 33/1
Barbers Shop 40/1
Cappa Bleu 40/1
Deep Purple 40/1
Albertas Run 50/1
Chapoturgeon 50/1
Racing Demon 50/1
Tamarinbleu 66/1
Points System below
Grade [1] [2] [ 3] races
1st 20 15 10
2nd 16 12 8
3rd 12 10 6
4th 10 8 5
Who in the last few years have won this?
Big Buck's 3/1
Voy Por Ustedes 5/1
Master Minded 7/1
Celestial Halo 12/1
Binocular 14/1
Imperial Commander 16/1
Punjabi 16/1
Denman 20/1
Kauto Star 20/1
Well Chief 20/1
Madison Du Berlais 25/1
Mighty Man 25/1
Kalahari King 33/1
Karabak 33/1
Katchit 33/1
Monet's Garden 33/1
Nacarat 33/1
Tidal Bay 33/1
Zaynar 33/1
Barbers Shop 40/1
Cappa Bleu 40/1
Deep Purple 40/1
Albertas Run 50/1
Chapoturgeon 50/1
Racing Demon 50/1
Tamarinbleu 66/1
Points System below
Grade [1] [2] [ 3] races
1st 20 15 10
2nd 16 12 8
3rd 12 10 6
4th 10 8 5
Who in the last few years have won this?
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binocular 14/1 imho
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Like Denman...If Solwhit won in Newcastle,Kempton an Cheltenham do you think he have enough pts. Can Irish horses be in the betting.
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Think kauto Star won it in '07.
Voy Por Usedeys won this years, not sure about '08 |
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solwhit would have a chance if he went to aintree, should be quoted
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royal shakespear won it in 07 :) shared ir with monkerhostein
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if he won the 3 he hardly go to Aintree, have to give the horse break.
Big bucks looks very solid tho, 3s is too short tho |
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"Last season the much loved Voy Por Ustedes claimed the title, picking up 76 points over 5 races, including two Grade 1 victories, and landing his connections the valuable first prize.
£100,000 is up for grabs, with the prize money to be distributed among the winning horse's owners, traniner and stable staff" |
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Eh '08 Monkerhostin won the Whitbread so was prob that year.
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Weak staying division this year imo- Big Bucks gonna mop up a lot of handy prizes, just depends how much they run him but at 3/1 prob a bit short
VPU probably the only other 1 that would interest me though so dunno |
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I hope C.Byrnes takes Weapons Amnesty down the World Hurdle route. He had unconvincing outing and then a fall. Mightnt be a natural to the chasing game another poor showing and its back hurdling if not decieded already!
W.A can match BB firepower Have him backed at 70s for the W.H Like Denman alot,this is going to be a clean up tr for him G.C & G.N |
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megabucks 19 Nov 23:02 Eh '08 Monkerhostin won the Whitbread so was prob that year. nope, was 06 shared it with royal shakespear, though royal got more points i was a year out. kauto won 07, voy por 09 |
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think inglis drever won in 08
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Past winners
Voy Por Ustedes 76 pts in 2009 Kauto Star........100pts in 2008 Kauto Star........110 pts in 2007 Royal Shakespare 87pts in 2006 Inglis Drever.......94pts in 2005 ........................................................................................ How does the Points System work? The way the competition is scored has been designed to reflect the relevant grade of each race and the horses finishing position, therefore rewarding both excellence and participation. Finishing position Grade 1 races Grade 2 races Grade 3 races 1st 20............................... 15............. 10 2nd 16............................. 12.............. 8 3rd 12.............................. 10.............. 6 4th 10............................... 8............... 5 ............................................................................................................. What prizes are available? The prize fund for the Racing for Change Order of Merit is £100,000 and winner takes all! The prize fund is then distributed as follows: 50% of the prize goes to the owner(s) of the horse 20% to the trainer 30% to the winning stable staff ..................................................................................................... You really need a horse capable of winning at least 3 grade ones and 2 grade twos with the odd place inbetween as 90 pts seem to be the average winning mark. Another problem with it is the Prize fund this year is greatly reduced. As what grade 1 owner is going to be chasing £50k in April if he already had a successful season and risk ruining the horse for next year. Few of the top horses now run 6 times a year so I personally don't think its a competition worth now getting involved in. As I don't think anybody will be targeting it now unlike in the past when it was worth at least double that and had prizes for the place contestants. Plus Irish races are excluded.......Cheers |
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I think Master Minded or Well Chief, they will carve up the races between them.
Tingle Creek Game Spirit Queen Mother The one at Sandown on Whitbread Gold Cup Day can't remember the name. I think Big Zeb only likely to come over for Cheltenham, probably only leaves Kalahari King as a threat ,and he needs decent ground. |
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When Royal Shakespeare won his owner had come to an arrangement with monkerhostin's owners to stop them both running in any remaining points races and bringing the sport into disrepute
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was only one race left 2mile chase at sandown, rs was declared though had never run over fences, and monker was knackered . glad they shook hands, would have been a horrific sight
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one race left but both horses had been flogged for the month of April
wasn't fun watching either run |
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Can't agree about them sharing that year and neither did the bookies.
I backed Monkerhostin that year and all he had to do was complete a 2 mile course with only 5 other runners to win the title. They pulled him out after they agreed to split the money and poor auld Bless lost his money. :( 12 Months later Monkerhostin was still running on the final day of the Winter season and won the Whitbread at that meeting. So much for those boys who said they were killing the horse chasing the Outright title in 2006. Still got it right the last Two years with Vop Por Ustedes and Kauto well it was more the case of I knew Snoopy Loopy was going to get enough points last year even if he had 58pts by November. |
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Win only, Royla Shakesperse wasn't declared they were threaten to.
Monkerhostin was and was among the 6 runners declared for the race and in those days points were awarded down to 6th. That loss still hurts for me ;) cost me about a grand. |
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Just looking at Monkerhostin record in 2006 ran 8 times in all. From November to April. :(
Madness they didn't run him all he had to do was complete the course 8 flippant fences over 2 miles. I could do it myself before heading for the high stool on a average day. x-( |
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Looks Big Bucks to lose now imo - depending on how many times he runs
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[i]Blessington 20 Nov 21:03
Win only, Royla Shakesperse wasn't declared they were threaten to. Monkerhostin was and was among the 6 runners declared for the race and in those days points were awarded down to 6th. That loss still hurts for me cost me about a grand. [/i] royal shakespear was declared at the 5 day stage for the event, this is what prompted the handshake and carve up - as monker was oot and rs had never jumped a fence. |
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I'm pretty sure been so heavily involved at the time that they only threaten to declare him he certainly wasn't declared overnight as you can get that on the internet still.
Monkerhostin was among the 6 runners declared on the Friday. Either way Royal Shakespeare next race anyway was over fences anyway where he finished 2 lengths 2nd to Twist Magic. So he obiviously took well to fences anyway. While the poor auld OVERRACED according to some on here 8/9 year old Monkerhostin after his 8 races. Came back the following year 2007 to run 3rd in the King George, 4th in the Gold Cup and started favourite for the Aintree Grand National and finish 2008 winning the Whitbread Gold Cup over 3 mile 5 furlongs on the last day of the season . And now 3 seasons later is still running off top weight as a 12 year old in £35,000 handicaps inbetween getting beaten by a head giving 2 stone to some donkey called NICHE MARKET. Defintely that 2 mile jaunt at his own speed over 8 fences at Sandown on perfect going would have just killed that horse instead of putting his name into imortality as a winner of the Order of Merit along side Kauto Star, Voy per Usteds and Ingris Dever...Who are you kidding? Racing was r0bbed of a true Champion Order of Merit winner by that stupid decision...Cheers |
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1. royal shakespeare was declared at the 5 day stage, suprising that someone who appears to know everything didnt know this - connections agreed to split the prize so neither were declared overnight.
2. monkerhostein was massively overraced that year to win the prize, and the fact they got him back was a miracle lets have a look at the evidence just 13 days after aintree (having also contested the gold cup) Cheltenham Result 19 Apr 2006 « 3:30 » Faucets For Mira Showers Silver Trophy Chase (Limited Handicap) Grade 2 (Class 1) (5yo+) 2m5f Good 17 fences £28,644.00, £10,829.00, £5,489.00, £2,804.00, £1,474.00 WATCH RACE - 20p RESULT RATE RACE Hide all comments in running Show all pedigrees HORSE/SP AGE WGT TRAINER/JOCKEY OR TS RPR RATED « 1 Our Vic (IRE) 5/2J 8 11-1 M C Pipe 158 134 173 |
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Blessington 30 Nov 13:13
I'm pretty sure been so heavily involved at the time that they only threaten to declare him he certainly wasn't declared overnight as you can get that on the internet still. Monkerhostin was among the 6 runners declared on the Friday. Either way Royal Shakespeare next race anyway was over fences anyway where he finished 2 lengths 2nd to Twist Magic. So he obiviously took well to fences anyway. beaten miles by twist magic you clown 24l |
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Point is Royal Shakespeare went chasing anyway.
Anyway your picking at straws if thats all you can come back with. The fact is on only his 3rd outing over fences he was 3rd to Jack the Giant and Twist Magic in the Wayward Lad chase at Kempton at Christmas giving them 4lbs and beaten only 4 lengths by Twist Magic. That makes about 2 lengths off level weight according to the handicapper. :^0 |
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is 2l close to 24l, or do you think you are talking to idiots that don't have a clue on this fourm?
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Nah I'm talking about his Kempton Park run at Christmas your talking about Falkenham which is the racecourse version of running around a flippant saucer.
You know the winner of that Sandown 4 runner race would have been 20lbs worse off in a handicap with the Monk and he only had to finish 6th in a 4 horse field. Some of the runners he was over 20Lb better in running last against them was never going to kill him. :( Personally I think it was a disgrace how that Order of Merit ended and the biggest mystery to me is how they weren't charged with bringing racing into dispute. As surely it was no different to when the motar racing teams give orders to their drivers not to pass each other on the last lap. :0 Its just not sport imo......Cheers |
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that wasnt his next race though was it? you should be tiger woods PR man imo
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Nah but the point is he was no fool over fences and the trainers knew it that April.
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Place Horse Trainer Points
1 Kauto Star Paul Nicholls 40 1 Go Native Noel Meade 40 3 Big Buck's P Nicholls 35 4 Deep Purple Evan Williams 30 4 Zaynar Nicky Henderson 30 4 Twist Magic Paul Nicholls 30 7 Madison Du Berlais David Pipe 28 7 Karabak Alan King 28 9 Planet of Sound Philip Hobbs 27 9 Celestial Halo Paul Nicholls 27 11 Albertas Run Jonjo O'Neill 25 11 Khyber Kim Nigel Twiston-Davies 25 13 Well Chief Martin Pipe 24 14 Cape Tribulation J M Jefferson 22 15 Lough Derg David Pipe 20 15 Tidal Bay J. Howard Johnson 20 17 Poquelin P F Nicholls 18 18 Barbers Shop N. J. Henrderson 17 19 Imperial Commander N. A. Twiston-Davies 16 19 Don't Push It Jonjo O'Neill 16 19 Sublimity Robbie Hennessy 16 19 Medermit Alan King 16 19 Forpadydeplasterer Thomas Cooper 16 19 Starluck A Fleming 16 BET365: Big Buck's 6/4, Zaynar 6/1, Kauto Star 10/1, Twist Magic 12/1, Go Native 14/1, Voy Por Ustedes 16/1, Deep Purple 16/1, Khyber Kim 16/1, Celestial Halo 20/1, Imperial Commander 20/1, Planet of Sound 20/1, Denman 25/1, Petit Robin 25/1, Master Minded 28/1, Binocular 33/1, Punjabi 33/1, Karabak 33/1, Madison Du Berlais 33/1, Poquelin 33/1, Tidal Bay 40/1, Well Chief 40/1, Tranquil Sea 40/1, Albertas Run 50/1, Lough Derg 50/1, Solwhit 50/1, Diamond Harry 50/1 Big Bucks goin straight to Chelters? Leaves the door open for the others imo |
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75 points will be very hard to beat, if he wins chelt and aintree - which looks a formality barring injury
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BB 6/4 looks okayish!
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