The Budget '09

What did he say about smokes? up or down didnt hear that bit

fook that....thats uny for bad land imo! :p

50c on scripts

stay same price

12.5% corp tax stays

That 50c is justified most of the medicines I prescribe are left in drawers or thrown out. ONce had a woman throw out 300 euro worth of drugs in front of me

The dealers will be laughing all the way to the bank when will this gov ever learn

should just buy generic drugs instead

state*

cheap travel for old yanks......

pay off for the kennedys....jaysus

great news about KennedyLand theme park....sounds awesome ffs

soooooooooooo out of touch.

Single mothers and families struggling and they care more about building a shrine for ted kennedy

so what story with dole?

100 for 20-21
150 for 22-24 for the "weekends"

then did he say anybody offereda job and refuses gets 150 or is that just for certain age limit

HEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE :^0

yep**gy

i think that was for over 25s**gy

the chappaquidick water ride will be some attraction

'it is working'... laughable.

theme park the budget sweetner!! cant wait for it to open!!

150 for anyone who refuses..4.1 % cut from 204

spurs to buy big 09 Dec 16:32


great news about KennedyLand theme park....sounds awesome ffs

:^0

spurs to buy big 09 Dec 16:34


the chappaquidick water ride will be some attraction

:D

150 for the weekend is that on top of the 204. Oh to be 22-24 again

fair play- cant argue with that

if they wont take a job, stuff em

that means if we had a proper job centre we could get most down to 150

yes agree its a good idea, if they refuse a job drop their dole. will stop the people who have been on the dole for the last 15 years, enough of them in my area X-(

I think thats the problem**gy there's not enough places for everyone

and there in the pub nearly every night X-(

severe and serious strikes ahead i would think

join them ffs lol

yes shabba so those people will stay on 204 until economy picks up but those offered jobs and refuses gets 150

thats logical, maybe should be harsher

A lot of those on the dole are so useless they will never get offered a job but will instead have to attend training I assume

I agree with you**gy if you refuse a job it shld be cut further it will get people of there hole

six million for horse and dogs

is the dole the same for people over 24

is the mortage relief extension for those in negative equity only ?? Sure thats half the country at this stage

http://www.rte.ie/news/features/budget2010/speech/speech.html

Full speech.

Just listening to RTE now ministers are suppose to take a 15% cut but one of the lads on the panel has just turned around to dermot ahearn and said its a smokescreen and he will only be taking a 5% cut.. very interesting to see if they are really taking the 15% cut utter travesty if there not

im 21 an on joseekers. my stamps mean currently i am on 160.10 per week. is the 100euro per wk for NEW APPLICANTS? Am i exempt as i have already signed on? lucky i am a good professional gambler

yes ur a vested member ....only appies to newbies

new appliciant but assume you'd have to take a job if offered one


they left the basic dole unchaged at 204.50- how are they cutting a supposed 1.3 billion by just hitting the young

they better be vicious with people refusing work and have real steps in place to carry this out- we dont have job centres like uk

the problem is they have to apply for the jobs to be offered them :^0

dole down to 196......btw burton and bruton are fkn brutal.no wonder ff are still in power

they will be taking the full fifteen..hes saying they should have taken a 10% cut already this year so in reality there only taking a 5% cut..

also no mention of rent allowence, guess the landlords and buy to let shower are untouched.

There's 100 of 000's on the dole unless they have something in place where there's enough jobs for everyone to go around then all of this will not work its very easy to apply for a job and get turned down another shambles from tis gov.... NO MONEY MORE PROBLEMS

A vested member SPURS TO BUY BIG u are a gas man.

bobbybocala 09 Dec 17:07

they will be taking the full fifteen..hes saying they should have taken a 10% cut already this year so in reality there only taking a 5% cut..

I get ya now man was unsure about it just when it was mentioned I thought wat the fcuk

any word on betting tax. Someone said to me 20%

Cheers.

rent is the biggest issue that went unanswered alright

both commercial and social

the landlords should bear the most pain in this recession, those who thought they could buy a second or third apartment for a nice investment must suffer-

mortgage relierf is wrong too- we need the housing market to correct itself- only then will we see investment again

You are getting more and more stupid**gykev.

how??

we will never recover unless we correct the housing market- too many vested interests are keeping it propped up

people have huge mortgages as they overpaid for houses- are we supposed to keep the prices artificially high so they don't go into too much negative equity

rent is the biggest issue that went unanswered alright

both commercial and social

the landlords should bear the most pain in this recession, those who thought they could buy a second or third apartment for a nice investment must suffer-


nonsense that only an idiot could spout.

i'll stand up for that

shops are closing right left and centre due to high rents
the government should also have moved for big reductions they pay private landlords for social housing

how many times has joan burton quoted someone?

Hate to be trying to get your point across now when everyone has buggered off :^0

typical galwayman has a stupid dig then fecks off because he has no proper point to his argument

just a sour pr1ck who'd argue black is white with no rhyme or reason

rent allowance reform would hurt all them coppers stuck with 3 or 4 houses ....there suffering enough poor lads
newstalk s lunch with eammon keane yesterday featured them
......twould bring a tear to a glass eye

Shops are not closing due to high rents- they are closing due to a lack of sales.

Demanding that the government do something about residential rents is absolutely ridiculous. Rents are determined by what people are willing to pay. This is known as market value.

Typical galwayman, buggering off because he does not see the point in arguing with a fool.

tough

thats what got us in this mess in the first place
we have only just pulled at the plaster a wee bit again- we need to yank the fecker off.

this whole crisis can be pointed to one thing

housing- mortgages and rent

if we hadnt big mortgages and high rents that would leave us with more disposable income.

the only way we can get them down is stop propping them up and allow supply and demand find the correct level

the government pays private landlords for social housing

they should be demanding they drop their rent considerably
thats my point
private renters would follow by simple supply and demand

Never thought i'd say it, but that Sinn Fein lad is talking a bit of sense.

very good point**gykev , massive amount of money going to these money grabbing landlords , we are payiny through the teeth for something that should be taxed to the max.landlands have made huges amounts over the years from the irish goverment . been a landlord is like having your own goldmine .

How does this budget affect travellers with ten children??....how much would they need to be earning if they were to return to ( sorry do a days work i meant)...getting an extra 4 euro a child per week on their dole so that would be 650 a week dole plus free accomadation and medical card and a few other bits & pieces call that 2700 a month dole 700 towards housing 200 med card thats 3600 a month which would be 43k nett which would equate to a job of 60k per annum...not bad...

Heard a fellow in the local last night saying he gets €750 per month rent allowance for a single flat (in an old house in Dublin 6w, so I am sure it is well paid for by the landlord) .. as far as I could make out - this is 100% of the rent.

timberman...change the record.

The only thing worse than arguing with one fool is arguing with 2 fools. Especially when the second fool is the biggest fool to ever post on this forum.

Well proves once again that the country is run in the interests of the gombeen men who bankroll the imbeciles who fill the Dáil. Biggest laugh though has to be where they had their dinner last weekend. Actually sums this kip up in a nutshell. Drunken buffoons ranting about teachers and nurses and guards in a hotel owned by ...., well anyone with any knowledge of this bananna republic knows who what I am talking about and I don't want to have my head blown off........

applehunter..the record i refer to is one of the reasons the country is on the rocks....turning a blind eye to this parasite culture is costing us all bundles of money not to mind making people think twice about bothering to get a job...

What Timberman is saying is only simple common sense.
Anyone who isn't wearing their misted-up politically correct goggles can see this.

spot on tumbles ;)

dole should have been cut in half for long term unemployed with or without dependents

In this country it pays to be a criminal. The **s in the banks and the **s who have been running the country have run this country into the ground forever!! We and our kids futures and their kids futures are outside this **hole of a country. I hope Bertie and his team and the bankers cant sleep a wink every night.

My memory is long and revenge will be sweet . Roll on the next Election and hopefully the people of this country will consign these buffoons to history .

Santry , all politicians are corrupt. I will never vote again. It makes me sick to see these**bags do what they want and destroy our lives forever.

There is a mood in the country for massive change in the way we are governed . None of the political parties have yet to fully tune into this mood . On the other hand people will re-elect Ahern,Lowry,O'Donoghue et all . Maybe we deserve what we get .

No politicians should run a country. Bertie Ahern let the banks off with crazy credit and in doing so meant he was raking it again to buy elections. Its simple really. He never gave any thought to the future or listened to several warnings.

when does big bird put you to bed?

ha ha

Necessary budget, at last the public sector was tackled.

Anyone have any thoughts on this ?

If we are all putting our shoulder to the wheel why should almost 50% of the workforce not pay any tax ?

I propose to include all on the minimum wage be included in the tax net at a rate of 5%.

I am sure i will get shot down for this but todays Budget was the first step on the road to some sort of economic normalacy and was framed as best as the Department of Finance could. I would have liked to see the PRSI threshold abolished, another couple of % added to the standard rate of income tax and a 2-3% cut in dole payments for the over 25s. There is an argument that we could have and should have gone even harder today. This is Part 1 of 4.

I have a lot of sympathy for anyone trying to frame a Budget in an economy with a Budget deficit in excess of 12%, deflation of 6% and government debt to GDP spiralling from 40% towards 100%. Any form of stimulus plan is simply impossible. I have zero sympathy for them in relation to the overall situation as I would love to see the likes of McCreevy, Ahern, Harney, Cowen et al strung up by the neck outside the GPO. Their short term policies have mortgaged the future of this country for the next generation. No doubt outside of Dublin they will still find themselves with 30-40% of the vote come the next General Election. Civil war politics will never leave us.

I am sure i will get shot down for this but todays Budget was the first step on the road to some sort of economic normalacy and was framed as best as the Department of Finance could. I would have liked to see the PRSI threshold abolished, another couple of % added to the standard rate of income tax and a 2-3% cut in dole payments for the over 25s. There is an argument that we could have and should have gone even harder today. This is Part 1 of 4.

I have a lot of sympathy for anyone trying to frame a Budget in an economy with a Budget deficit in excess of 12%, deflation of 6% and government debt to GDP spiralling from 40% towards 100%. Any form of stimulus plan is simply impossible. I have zero sympathy for them in relation to the overall situation as I would love to see the likes of McCreevy, Ahern, Harney, Cowen et al strung up by the neck outside the GPO. Their short term policies have mortgaged the future of this country for the next generation. No doubt outside of Dublin they will still find themselves with 30-40% of the vote come the next General Election. Civil war politics will never leave us.

Having people completely out of the tax net is a joke I agree 5% or so nominal interest

whatever about the budget, joan bruton is one of the most irritating human beings ever to have inhabited this planet.

she may be, but she was right, whereas that ff mouth piece Ryan was just spouting the new government spiel!

yes mansfield is a total cnut

shes annoying alrite ,,,,,,and making fun of domestic violence was outrageous ffs

if only tubbsy was here.

;-)

'Sinn Féin's Caoimhghín

"Being a landlord is like having your own goldmine"

That is surely the stupidest comment posted on here this year.

too right upwaterhiil we are a nation of moaners... we are getting what was coming to us,a proper reality check

**gykev- you normally post good sensible stuff but you're mistaken mark about landlords and their alleged vast profits .
I happen to be a landlord myself -bought an apt. 9 years ago. ..never made a profit any year since. My hope was some appreciation in the value -now that's gone down the toilet . I'm not bitter or depressed -just a little bemused and chastened by the whole experience . I invested -I did not gain . No big deal . Life goes on.
But you must realise that for most latter-day landlords -the costs and risks are huge and the gains far from assured . Unless one had large capital to start with and bought without a mortgage -I can't see how one can turn a profit.
The costs are never ending - morrgage interest , service charges , car park , repairs , replacements , fees . Last year I had to pay 3000 quid for a painting and renovation job . Also -one bad tenant and you're fu.cked.
The idea that I have some cache of property-related profit to share with the hard-pressed Irish people is simply absurd.

Vubiant, forgive me for asking and I hope you dont mind my being impertinent but why did you buy an appartment to rent?

No bother . I myself have no business or commercial acumen whatsoever .
But about 10 years ago some of my financially savvy friends persuaded me to re-mortgage and invest in some property . They said it would be a sensible thing to do which would offer the prospect of providing some financial security for my retirement years .
What they said seemed to make sense so I duly did .
I'm sorry now I bothered bringing the headache of property on myself . The usual shambles occurred at the beginning -it took years to sort out the mess left by the first management company . They were negligent to the point of criminality.
Unless you have some grasp about commercial realities and the carry-on of the various professions you're going to be cannibalised .

You have my sympathies. Indeed shambles, mess, headache, negligence and criminality are common enough words when landords discuss their problems nowadays. A far cry from another era when landlords had all the power. You might be familiar with an anecdote about Joe Kennedy and the shoeshine boy having a discussion about stocks/shares before the Crash in the late 20's. The former was so astounded when he heard the latter discuss the markets that he knew it was time to bail out. Everybody wanted a piece of the action. Looks like a lot of people here succumbed to the property bubble. Not meant as an insult to you or anybody else but I'm trying to make sense of the mess that some people find themselves. Good Luck.

Vubiant 10 Dec 22:33
**gykev- you normally post good sensible stuff but you're mistaken mark about landlords and their alleged vast profits .
I happen to be a landlord myself -bought an apt. 9 years ago. ..never made a profit any year since. My hope was some appreciation in the value -now that's gone down the toilet . I'm not bitter or depressed -just a little bemused and chastened by the whole experience . I invested -I did not gain . No big deal . Life goes on.
But you must realise that for most latter-day landlords -the costs and risks are huge and the gains far from assured . Unless one had large capital to start with and bought without a mortgage -I can't see how one can turn a profit.
The costs are never ending - morrgage interest , service charges , car park , repairs , replacements , fees . Last year I had to pay 3000 quid for a painting and renovation job . Also -one bad tenant and you're fu.cked.
The idea that I have some cache of property-related profit to share with the hard-pressed Irish people is simply absurd.


:D :D :D
some savvy friends you have :D

boils down to greed and i have no sympathy for you :)

badger's back 10 Dec 23:55
boils down to greed and i have no sympathy for you :)

Badger..unless you're takin the**s that's a very weird sentiment to express on a betting forum.