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I've just read this piece from C'OR. I've always credited him with being above the thick mucksavage element that is such a stain on the GAA (and yes I know he played on the edge) but this article was as backward as anything I've come across.

"Would I have done the same thing myself? Yes. Would most other players have done the same if the opportunity arose? Yes. Would everybody else have kept their mouth shut? Yes."


I can't accept that more than 5% - let alone 95%- of footballers would have availed of the "opportunity" that presented itself to TK.

If I'm wrong then clearly I didnt realise just how **kin backward the GAA is.
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Report Oddball207 October 27, 2009 6:52 PM GMT
anyone that ever played GAA or indeed that awful foreign word Soccer would know that is typical and indeed acceptable. Look at the Aussie Rules games...they should have an X rating. I know when i played whether it was defending or attacking...i always did that to my opponent in some way or another. You're being naive
Report badger's back October 27, 2009 6:56 PM GMT
colm played for meath ffs.
dirtiest team of all time
Report timberman October 27, 2009 7:10 PM GMT
Doesnt happen in soccer as most players dive to the ground at the sight of an opposing player within 5 yards of them..
Report fullback October 27, 2009 10:55 PM GMT
dc........
I can't accept that more than 5% - let alone 95%- of footballers would have availed of the "opportunity" that presented itself to TK.

If I'm wrong then clearly I didnt realise just how **kin backward the GAA is.


You aint wrong dc. O Rourke constantly uses his column in the Sindo to impress us all
of his 'manliness' and macho disposition in his playing days. He never loses an opportunity
to remind us of ALL l the 'manly' hits taken and given between Meath and Dublin.
He also has a 'blind spot' for all things Kerry and in the case of the green and gold its," see no evil
hear no evil"
He is right of course that Kennelly's assault was no different to hundreds of such hits that infest
this "sport" of gaelic football and hurling but I, like you, am surprised that a man of his intelligence
seems incapable of pinpointing the timing and intent of Kennelly's mad act.
If Kennelly had belted his own marker or even a nearby opponent at the start of the match, it would be accepted as par for the course by all and sundry.
By his own admission, with premeditation, he sprinted to hit an opponent and succeeded with his aim. He saw the result of his 'handywork' as Murphy lay concussed on the ground and has the gall a few days later to proclaim " my eyes were almost rolling around in the back of my head and I was like a raging bull".
I have never seen an act like this at the throw in of our flagship game 'The All Ireland Final' and it is indeed disgusting to see O Rourke treat it as a common occurrence.

The meek shall inherit the earth :^0
Report dc October 27, 2009 11:33 PM GMT
Oddball.Spare us the macho **t.

I played bogball for 25 years. Gave a thump and took a thump.

I never - and I mean never - gave or took an elbow to the jaw-deliberate or otherwise.Was I incredibly lucky??? I don't think so. I'd be surprised if I witnessed that type of incident once in every ten games.

Who are you kidding here ? If you were even half-right there'd be at least 30 serious fouls to review every Championship weekend.

If what TK did is the "norm" -that everyone is running around doing it - then most of us would have been fitted for the dentures years ago.

Considering his prominent position in the public eye and - more significantly - his job as a school principal, the message CO'R is putting out there is nothing short of disgraceful.
Report Oddball207 October 28, 2009 12:34 AM GMT
regardless of any message o rourke is sending out as a teacher...i am not talking macho bs...why would i feel the need to come across macho on an irish sports forum? dont insult my intelligence with low brow insults. I played the game and i'm not saying elbowing somebody in the face is acceptable or the norm (i got my nose broken on my second game with an elbow) but what i am saying is that real physical contact on and off the ball goes on day in and day out in the sport...and i'd be more worried about the level of shock you seem to be experiencing from this. I dont care what town you live in...go to the centre of it on a Saturday night and you'll see worse. Not in the name of sport.
Report dc October 28, 2009 9:19 AM GMT
Oddball, when the discussion is about an elbow to the head- not the norm in any sport and you make a statement like:[i]
Report fullback October 28, 2009 7:14 PM GMT
dc, well said, but you and I are hissing against the wind here.
Better to convey your thoughts by snail mail to Meath Education Authority
or whoever signs O Rourke's pay cheque.
No point in writing to the man himself as his reply (if he does) will only be
a replay of the many replays between Meath and Dublin in the 90s where
men were men and wimmin were proud of them.
He thinks there are no 'men' in other counties, poor soul. :D
Report grade 1 October 28, 2009 8:33 PM GMT
o'rourke is one of the good guys.
Report dc October 29, 2009 12:28 AM GMT
Fullback.

You're right about his Dub-Meath fixation but generallyI find his stuff is well-written and on the button.

There's no excuse for what he wrote last Sunday though.
Report punkha1 October 29, 2009 12:52 AM GMT
Some hardmen till they meet an Aussie!
Report jungleboogie October 29, 2009 8:16 AM GMT
o'rourke's article was spot on.
all the top counties need a nasty streak in them if their going to win anything galvin(ky),walsh(kk),ricey(ty)

let me guess that most of the whingers about o'rourkes article are from counties that never won anything & jump up & down on the moral high ground when kennelley puts in a tackle like he did.

fair to say that most posters would love to have one of these guys on their team.
can anyone name a winning all-ireland football team in the last 25 years that didnt have a few "hard" players on the team?

kennelley did do cork what the dubs should have done to kerry in the QF...when tht ball was been throwing in, the gooch should have got an unmerciful dig...the dubs were too soft...bit nasty,but if u cant beat the top teams,u got to join them!!...as tyrone harshly learned over the years

in gaa,nice guys win nothing,harsh but true..(just ask cork!)
Report dc October 29, 2009 9:28 AM GMT
Jungleb
How many fellas have you stretched in matches?

If the ref was doing his job TK would have spent twenty seconds on the pitch. His "Cop that.We're hard" act would have looked kinda stupid then.

As for laying fellas out when the ball is thrown in.I would guess that one in a hundred All-Ireland winners has ever gone on with that.
Leaving the Meath team aside - how many All-Ireland winning thugs can you name?

In your world doing "whatever it takes" is the way to go. So, if gaining a physical edge is what it's all about, what's wrong with eye gouging or grabbing fellas by the balls ?
Report dc October 29, 2009 9:29 AM GMT
Jungleb
How many fellas have you stretched in matches?

If the ref was doing his job TK would have spent twenty seconds on the pitch. His "Cop that.We're hard" act would have looked kinda stupid then.

As for laying fellas out when the ball is thrown in.I would guess that one in a hundred All-Ireland winners has ever gone on with that.
Leaving the Meath team aside - how many All-Ireland winning thugs can you name?

In your world doing "whatever it takes" is the way to go. So, if gaining a physical edge is what it's all about, what's wrong with eye gouging or grabbing fellas by the balls ?
Report dc October 29, 2009 9:31 AM GMT
*laying fellas out off the ball
Report jungleboogie October 29, 2009 10:02 AM GMT
Leaving the Meath team aside - how many All-Ireland winning thugs can you name?

dublin 95...team littered with thugs
tyrone in the 2000's...thugs everywhere
down team 91,94..share of nice footballers but they had their thugs,as one went on to prove by breaking a garda's jaw in a challenge match!
kerry...already named...in fairness only 1 or 2 thugs..what did billy morgan call them?most cynical team playing gaa

do u want me to go on dc?

point is,every team needs a few thugs with class footballers.
i'd love to see a team winning an all-ireland playing champagne football/hurling...with no dirt.but aint going to happen
wake up quickly buddy!
Report CailiniDeas8 October 29, 2009 10:10 AM GMT
The pathetic apology afterwards citing his father (completely expected) was even more galling.

Very very disappointing behaviour.

:(
Report fullback October 29, 2009 10:52 AM GMT
You said this, I said that, you know nothing, I know everything, Thugs are everywhere,
Kerry have only two thugs, Dublin aint tuff enough, Cork are too clean, Tyrone are filthy,
Kilkenny are worse, etc. etc. etc................................
Bang all that into the one pot and you will inevitably arrive at the conclusion that a previously
well respected and admired gaelic footballer committed an act of sheer thuggery at the throw
in of this year's All Ireland Football Final. It can be argued that this had no effect on the result
but that's not the issue here.
What is at issue though, is Colm O Rourke's assertion that this is common practice in almost
every GAA match and should be ignored.
I am also very comfortable with O Rourke's generally well balanced analysis but he got it badly
wrong in comparing this match to any old match IMHO, and Kennelly's assault as just another
assault.

Oh, and BTW, I come from a county with 119 All Ireland titles not counting Clubs and Girls.
We might know just a little bit about winning? ]:)
Report grade 1 October 29, 2009 10:58 AM GMT
it was a marginally mistimed shoulder by an over excited all ireland final debutant. The aussie made the rest up.
Report Kelly October 29, 2009 11:59 AM GMT
Jungleboogie , I saw most of the matches the Down player you referred to specifically as a thug played , from the age of 15 on . Guarantee you he was fouled n times more often than he fouled . Any action he ever took was retaliatory( sometimes called "looking after yourself " ) rather than instigated by him , all he ever wanted was the ball in his hand , as is generally the case with brilliant footballers .

Down played a match against Kerry sometime after their first recent win in 91 . One of the Down players " clocked " his direct marker , after having warned the Kerry player 3 times to stop messing about , tackling late and leaving a leg in soccer style ( can break a leg ) . No one saw it , no action taken . After the match several of the Kerry players approached the Down player and congratulated him on "sorting out " the biggest messer in Kerry football . That is true sportsmanship , the Kerry players knew their man deserved some form of retribution but the ref was incapable of knowing what was going on . The average refs are a huge part of the problem , unless they have played at a decent level , they only know rules rather than the spirit of the game .

We need to fast -track former good players to high referee status , better than them sitting in TV and radio studios generating media hype . But I guess that would not be popular with the referees committees .

If Nicholas Murphy's jaw had been broken by Kennelly's challenge , does anyone think he would have sued ? Very much doubt it , the Cork lads aint wimps when all is said and done .
Report dc October 29, 2009 12:36 PM GMT
Jungleb
Are you for real? " littered with thugs" "thugs everywhere" !!!?
You make Croke Park sound like the killing fields ffs.
Who are all these hit-men you are talking about??
I can think of a few - McMenamin, McDermott, D
Report ATC October 29, 2009 9:29 PM GMT
That happens in the Laois Senior Hurling championship sometimes DC
Report ATC October 29, 2009 9:31 PM GMT
the oppurtunity didnt arise for kennelly, as was more engineered, it has to be said.....
Report dermo79 October 29, 2009 10:49 PM GMT
'If Nicholas Murphy's jaw had been broken by Kennelly's challenge , does anyone think he would have sued ? Very much doubt it , the Cork lads aint wimps when all is said and done'

I find the attitude in the GAA that what happens on the field stays on the field incredibly backward and more in tune with the Ireland of 40 years ago, how is it acceptable for someone to have his jaw broken by a malicious challenge on the playing field when the same action on the street would result in an assault & battery charge?? I sure as fcuk wouldnt stand for it were that to happen to me because some prik thinks the old GAA mentality as stated above means that ur not a real man if you were to sue him...what a crock of sh1t...everyone has to get up and go earn a living the next day and having ur jaw broken by some blackguard who sees an opportunity to soften you up results in you being off work for months, lovely.
I would agree with earlier posters that I think (thankfully) those kind of incidents aren't as prevalent as many would have you believe, nothing wrong with hard fair hits but off the ball stuff has no place in the game...and Colm O rourke should be settign a better example than that
Report dc October 30, 2009 11:32 AM GMT
Kelly 29 Oct 12:59
Jungleboogie , I saw most of the matches the Down player you referred to specifically as a thug played , from the age of 15 on . Guarantee you he was fouled n times more often than he fouled . Any action he ever took was retaliatory( sometimes called "looking after yourself " ) rather than instigated by him , all he ever wanted was the ball in his hand , as is generally the case with brilliant footballers .


The sad thing is that for 99% of young lads, when they take up the game, it's all about the ball. The joy of the high catch, running with the ball, kicking a score. If you watch kids kicking ball in the schoolyard you wont see a single nasty blow.The corrupt notion that it is necessary to have a dirty streak in you to succeed, that it's vital to let your opponents know that you're a "real man",
is gradually fed to them via the GAA culture drip until you end up with the state of affairs we have today where a normally clean player like TK lets fly with a vicious, unprovoked elbow to the head and is applauded for it.

People like Colm O Rourke should be taking every opportunity to highlight and condemn this kind of backward thinking.
In his article last week he did the complete opposite.
Report kincsem November 2, 2009 11:10 PM GMT
Its a man's game and if you can't take a strong challenge you would be better off playing soccer with the girls.

Did I say that right?
Report superhero November 2, 2009 11:25 PM GMT
Yawn
Time to move on chaps
Report GANT007 November 3, 2009 12:41 AM GMT
Superhero....thats the exact words id say Colm said whe sheikh Mo made the offer for TEOFILO..
Report dc November 5, 2009 10:26 PM GMT

"I have been publicly vilified and I want to tell the truth.

"I admit I have made a mistake and a big one. I should never have allowed the piece regarding the incident with Nicholas to be described in the fashion in which it was.

"I gave an interview to the Australian ghost writer, Scotty Gallon, just a couple of days after the All-Ireland. I didn't read it over as I should have and the first account I saw of the incident was on last Sunday morning.

"Scotty used an expression, 'cop that', to describe my feelings immediately after I connected with Nicholas. I said no such thing. I'm sure Nicholas can confirm that and yes I did explain to him what happened immediately after the match.

"The Wednesday after the All-Ireland was a rush. We had a deadline to meet. Books don't get formatted and printed overnight. I was on a high and the last thing I wanted was to talk to Scotty over the phone. Looking back on it I should have insisted on reading a proof of the book.

"I didn't and I paid the price. My fault 100 per cent.

"What really happened was this: It was my first AllIreland final and I was very emotional. Maybe too much so. I admit I did intend to get physically stuck in right from the start. I didn't plan to tackle any particular Corkman but I did intend to shoulder charge an opponent immediately the opportunity arose. Shoulder is the key word. On my solemn word I did not and would never intentionally go out to hurt another footballer. The challenge, I admit, was over the top. I was too pumped up. The words 'while I hadn't wanted to come in and seriously injure anyone I was determined to make a statement' were not included in the extract from the book, even though this sentence followed on. That one line would have clarified my intentions but it was not included in the piece.

"I cannot believe this happened. The piece was totally unbalanced due to the omission. At no stage did I know the extract was going in the paper. No one told me.

"I was stupid and naïve but I did not deliberately go out to hurt Nicholas. I just wanted to show I was up for it. That's all.

"Let me also clarify Paul Galvin had absolutely nothing to do with my plan. We agreed to get stuck in but you'd want to be mad to take a player out of it deliberately in the first minute of an AllIreland final. Where's the sense in that? It would have cost Kerry the game.

"This is the worst few days since my Dad died. I desperately wanted to win an AllIreland for him, not for me. I wouldn't go out to deliberately do anything to sully his memory or the good name of Kerry football. And I never have. I'm not that type of footballer.

"I sincerely apology to all Kerry supporters and the Kerry management team for any bother I might have caused."


Report fullback November 5, 2009 10:35 PM GMT
And........the number of texts to RTE1 radio tonight slamming his effort to get out from under
is testimony to his failure to convince anybody of his innocence.

But.........it's time to move on. He has dug his own grave whether unwittingly or otherwise.
Not literally of course.

Forget him. He thinks he's important. He's not.
Report Ciarrai33 November 6, 2009 9:22 PM GMT
Listening to Tadgh last night was heart-rendering. His apology was fulsome and no doubt will be accepted by the big-hearted Nicholas Murphy. An All Ireland Final is a one off for most players ( unless you are from Kerry or latterly Tyrone ) and emotions run high - no surprise. I won't instance the many ' incidents ' that can and do occur in the early stages of such finals and Kerry have had their fair share of being on the receiving side in the recent past (ask Gooch ) so no change when Kerry meet Cork yet again. And like it or not Colm O'Rourke was right when he said " it happens but its not spoken about or declared " And he should know - and Cork.

So lets get over it. Kerry can't ever forgive McMenamin and now Cork have a scapegoat in Tadgh. But Murphy played better than Canty O'Neill Lynch O'Connor Goulding so Tadgh did'nt do too much damage. Had Tadgh kept his mouth shut and his Ghostwriter under control there would be no fuss. But the archtypical cute Kerry hoor he aint. And he is going to have to live with that. His joy at winning the Celtic Cross has been totally wiped out. Thats his punishment.

Am concentrating on the Breeders Cup and am ahead so lumping my winnings on Sara Louise in the 11.02.

Will buy you pint/s next Saturday night ? we do have a lot to catch up on.
Report fullback November 7, 2009 1:03 AM GMT
You are on a losing streak C33.
Your decision to back Godolphin and Frankie in the 11.02 race was not an 'Informed Decision' :^0

Worse still is your decision to defend the indefensible ie. the stepdancer from Listowel.
Ricey and Francie wouldn't share the same toilet as that creepy crawlee pothunter who you
clasp to your Kerry bosom, like a miscreant child.
His 'fullsome apology' was aimed at innocents like you and not to the GAA general body or
'the big hearted Nicholas Murphy'
Nick Murphy can shave in comfort for the rest of his life and when he sees his face in the mirror
he will see the face of a sportsman without medals.
The stepdancer will forever see the mug of a ** and somebody who has disgraced
the heritage of 125 years of honest Kerry football teams.

Nobody is using his foul act as a reason for Kerry's win or Cork's loss. We can all understand
statistics, but he has sullied his family's contribution to Kerry football and most fair minded Kerry
people agree with that.

End of rant
Report superhero November 7, 2009 8:28 AM GMT
Give it a rest fullback
methinks your trying a bit too hard to be like Bless with your posts
Report KK 05 November 7, 2009 10:31 AM GMT
Storm in a tea cup.
Report Ciarrai33 November 7, 2009 11:29 AM GMT
Kerry have rattled a fair few Cork cages in the past but obviously Cork can't stomach the experiences of 2007 , 2008 and this year particularly. I have never known so many Cork people to be so disappointed at losing this year to Kerry. Maybe having hammered us in the Munster semi , having destroyed our ' bogey ' team in Tyrone and having obliterated Donegal they felt that at last their day had arrived .

And to get a 5 point lead after 10 minutes must have re-assured them and to lose out again must have been a sore bitter pill to swallow. And then Kennelly speaks and salvation is to hand in the guise of a scapegoat. And no acceptance that Canty , Lynch , O'Neill ,Goulding and O'Connor did not perform. Much easier to blame that man who destroyed the great Rebel talisman Canty and in doing so deprived Canty of Footballer of the Year and ensure that of all people Paul Galvin gets it instead !

Take a look at the tape - 21 minutes in - and see Murphy deal with Galvin and indeed at match end see Canty ' floor ' Quirke. Protestation from Kerry ? None.

Get over it Cork - we're giving you a chance next year - no Dara , no Tadgh , no Tommy Walsh or David Moran and possibly no Thomas O'Sullivan , Tommy Griffin or Mike McCarthy. What excuse will you come up with when we beat you then ?

End of rant. Pints next week ?
Report superhero November 7, 2009 11:41 AM GMT
Strongly rumoured Dec Sull is taking a year out too. Not sure if its true but if it is then thats bad news
Report fullback November 7, 2009 3:09 PM GMT
superhero 07 Nov 09:28
Give it a rest fullback
methinks your trying a bit too hard to be like Bless with your posts


Not me that brought this topic back SH. Check your facts before you make foolish
accusations. I will always reply to unfounded allegations if I'm in the mood and despite
C33s attempt to justify alll things Green & Gold to the exclusion of visual evidence, I am
still in the mood to call a spade a spade. God forbid that I would ever spout the claptrap
that Bless throws in here. He's a sh1tstirrer, I just sweep it away. :^0

AND............I wont even post on the other thread about the cowardly baxtard that is
running away from the consequences of his 'bravery'
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