Jumps thoughts for season ahead

The front two might just have been the best, but the rest were ridden as if they were just happy to finish third.

Haven't seen too many, but it seems an increasing number of bumpers are being run at a crawl. How many horses does that suit, but the idiot jocks just let it happen? Even though he ended up last, I quite liked the look of the Mulholland horse in that race.

Again quite taken with the Mulholland horse in Mares'. Got a bit tired late on, but a nice school round.

Good time of year Autumn tbh,colour changes,good atmosphere….flat winding down and Cheltenham round the corner…..

Try tiddlywinks if you can’t enjoy….

A nice performance ftom Talk The Man in the beginners chase.
Looked well, and was the winner every step of the race.
One to take out of the race was his stable companion, Catch Him Derry.
Off the track since April 2025, third in that seasons Pertemps final.
Jumped nicely today, his rider was at pains to keep him out the back. Finished well without being asked a question.
A handicap awaits.

In case anyone is interested , Fakenham's 2nd November meeting has been cancelled and an additional meeting is scheduled for 28th Nov.

Cracking days racing today. Looks better than both days at Cheltenham.

A good mares novice to start. Pauling's horse should keep the favourite honest.
Both divisions of the 2m novice hurdle have plenty of exciting types.
A good NHF race. I like the Curtis horse.
Her favourite in the novice handicap chase looks a nice type.

A listed hurdle at Carlisle. Happy to take Golden Ace on here, with the trainers horses slow to start as always.

...ofcourse what we/I  don't know is the relative fitness/readiness of the first time outers...

I think we've all heard that Fairy Park is a potential " star", but is today a warm up run ?

I will be backing her myself ( if I get get around 1.6 ), but I'm dreading Joe telling us after the race that he's "really pleased" with finishing second on her first outing.

The thing is, if anyone knows " the plan", ....they ain't gonna tell us  !!

Conditions are not ideal for Fairy Park, and I wouldn't dream of backing her, but I still hope she wins on the bridle. It's not a strong race. I backed Pointofdifference last night. Unusual to not sell after the debut win. Nobody seems to want to know the Bowen horse from the famous 'Gaye' family, and support appears to be for the Pauling newcomer. Boultydoolin looked an obvious chaser, but sometimes these big horses don't convert, and he is weak. Tizzard sparked the gamble on Diamond Ri. Anyone who has gone in is placing a lot of trust in a few words from the trainer. It's a big day for Jones. Didn't look great to me at Fontwell, and I would still like to know why he went missing.

A below par card for Carlisle. My initial thought was Wilful, but both Rubaud and Burdett Road can forward, so it seems unlikely he will get an easy lead. Not sure how much you can trust Golden Ace these days. I thought she was disappointing in an ordinary Champion Hurdle.

..DD...why aren't conditions ideal ?...Good to Soft they say...very little good I suspect .

Not sure if you have followed the thread, but for obvious reasons I want her to end up in the Mares' Novices. Tizzard says he expects to get her to the Festival so where else would she be going? That race is over the minimum, and today could seem more like 3 than 2 miles. I am not a fan of cutting back in trip. On what we have seen so far, she looks like a bridle traveller who is speed over stamina. If you have that touch of speed and class then softer conditions are only ever going to blunt those qualities. I generally look on Walk In The Park as a sire who adds speed and class rather than stamina. If a fitter rival goes clear, she could end having quite a hard race if she ends up having to chase. To me it's not ideal, but as I say, I hope she bolts up. The market is all over that happening, and fingers crossed it's right.

Let's hope something goes on in that bumper, and we avoid another farce. The Bowen runner had been very weal, but now it looks as if someone has pressed the buzzer. Impossible to read the 'correct' market moves these days.

Well the dream is still alive - it didn't take much for the 50's to be halved. It was handy that she was allowed to set her own pace, and other than the jock being sloppy at the last, she didn't do much wrong.

Shame that we have the chief buffoon on track - didn't even ask about the stable runner in the second.

First two did so much wrong, but even on that ground they had too much foot for Mourne Crystal. I think I was right and he does want a longer trip, but maybe he's no superstar.

To be fair Jones was shocking at the final two flights and would've won otherwise imop. Hobbs horse ran some race after pulling so hard early.

Mourne Crystal made a slight mistake two out, and although he went through the last it didn't appear to cost him any ground. The others were not brilliant, and the winner has crossed the line looking like he had a ton in hand.

Maybe not the greatest race, but Pointofdifference showed the importance of travelling on the bridle for as long as possible in those conditions. Don't say it too often, but a sensible ride from Bowen. Trainer looks to have a stronger hand this year. Common Sense looked a nice type earlier, and should be winning races, probably right-handed.

Common Sense although btn thought he got a decent ride, nearly nicked
it.

Good day for Tizzard with 4/5 Wnrs.

A brilliant day. Let's hope that wasn't his Cheltenham Festival. Needs to kick on.

Wilful proved a little more versatile than I thought he was although Golden Ace did look the winner before folding on the run in.

Today was a lot better than Cheltenham seems to offer tomorrow. Plenty of early season better ground horses hoping it won't be too soft.

Trainer only has a handful of horses and those that have run so far this season are woeful, but in the last at Cheltenham tomorrow, i keep coming back to Jupiter des Bordes, most of them want to lead go forward and need better ground, if we have the forecast rain he is one i can see getting into it late on, 14s earlier was skinny, some 20s about now slybet ew 4 places looks a bet.

Wilful was my hail mary Champion Hurdle horse for last year , had litle chance of running but biggest potential Celtenham return ever , at least the County helped . A lovely horse who may just lack the wow factor , but guts go a long way . Jonjo said ' lets do this ' at the first two , horse said .... you !

quite impressed by Diamond Ri. He was kept at the back and went wide on most bends but just strolled past the others in the straight. Had a wind op since last season and looked useful in 23/24 season. I doubt if any of those that ran in the 3.46 at Ffos Las are top class but none of them were useless either. Diamond Ri had a stone in hand and would have won at level weights.

He did win very easily. Several in behind were pretty disappointing. Can he sustain that level? His next run will be interesting. It helped today that he had so much in hand that Powell didn't have to ask any questions in the jumping department.

Ground nowhere near as testing as might have been expected today, hence so few non runners.

I thought the coverage was marred by Oli Bell overdosing in the constant effort to find human interest stories. It seems the world is only ever a few minutes away from another one. Where racing is concerned how does this resonate with 99% of the audience who could never dream of having the money to throw away on a racehorse? It will always be a rich man's playground.

Give us a Lucky 15 for the season . . .

Pat Cooney, bet365
The Mourne Rambler (Supreme Novices’)
King Rasko Grey (Brown Advisory)
Nan’s Choice (Mares’ Novices’ Hurdle)
Selma De Vary (Mares’ Hurdle)

James Mackie, Betfair
Old Park Star (Arkle)
Lossiemouth (Champion Hurdle)
Jasmin De Vaux (Stayers’ Hurdle)
Gaelic Warrior (Gold Cup)

Jack Ready, Tote
Witches Familiar (Mares’ Novices’ Hurdle)
Kitzbuhel (Gold Cup)
Sober Glory (Arkle)
Majborough (Champion Chase)

Will Latimore, ****
Kitzbuhel (King George)
Old Park Star (Arkle)
Lossiemouth (Champion Hurdle)
Gaelic Warrior (Gold Cup)

Andrew Lobo, Coral
Sober Glory (Arkle)
Dinoblue (Mares’ Chase)
Bossman Jack (Brown Advisory)
Fact To File (Ryanair Chase)

Grant Bradbury, Ladbrokes
Meetmebythesea (Paddy Power Handicap Chase)
Kitzbuhel (King George)
Il Etait Temps (Champion Chase)
Selma De Vary (Mares’ Hurdle)

Paul Binfield, Paddy Power
Gaelic Warrior (Gold Cup)
Quebecois (Paddy Power Gold Cup)
No Drama This End (Brown Advisory)
Grey Dawning (Betfair Chase)

Jonathan Gatenby, William Hill
Grey Dawning (Betfair Chase)
Lulamba (King George)
Old Park Star (Arkle)
Wodhooh (Mares' Hurdle)

Apparently Spolis is a banned word!

I don't mind them talking to connections after a race but for the 10 minutes before, they should be showing horses, not talking heads. A racing channel should try to give a viewer the same experience as those on course plus more information when possible about falls, injuries etc. As for showing fashion, food or any other distraction they are definite NO.
None of the talked about novice hurdlers looked exceptional. Mourne Crystal, Planters Punch, Cooltobecareless, Mr Hollywood all beaten.

I don't mind them talking to anyone, but I don't think so obviously pushing connections to try and promote the game is the way to go. How many people are going to get excited about a millionaire having a little boost to his/her ego? It's the horse that does the running, the owner just signs the cheque. I wouldn't fancy many owners to run 50 yards. The money involved in horses, particularly  at the highest level would actually appear obscene to many people. The connection for the vast majority is the betting, and hopefully, for some, an actual love of the horse itself.

No bets over the last couple of days, fingers crossed for tomorrow. No doubt more wasted words on Constitution Hill. All the talk at the start of season about a horse who hasn't done much for a very long time, and then absolutely nothing for the whole of the season. Win or lose tomorrow, time to knock the farce on the head.

Agree about Constitution Hill. I am surprised that Michael Buckley puts up with it. He always seems quite level headed. Henderson and Nicholls are being left behind by the younger trainers.
Don't stereotype owners too much. I had 25% shares in a few when working hard and also running at a serious level at 40yo when I competed in European and World Veteran Champs and was second in UK Vets at 1500 metres. Never remotely in millionaire class. I have asked a few trainers why they don't train horses over further than the race distance and they usually tell me that a horse would not like it. Which is why so many horses in staying novices and bumpers stop dead in the last 2 furlongs.

I understand that not all owners are millionaires, but the vast majority of viewers will not have £30,000+ that they can just write off every year. It doesn't make them bad people, but it does make it hard for the average bod to have a connection which is what ITV racing are constantly pushing.

He was probably beaten at the time, but Turndlightsdownlow didn't deserve that exit.

Minus Fox, Myretown managed to win again. Although he jumped the last 5/6 okay, there was enough previously to wonder whether he can repeat. Certainly not one to be taking short odds about.

I rarely watch ITV racing but an interview with a first time owner is for me what the sport should be doing. RTV do it a lot. Plenty of shares available from 50% down to 1% or even less so the cost need not be more than a holiday. My brother has a share in the David Pipe racing club. Less than £100 I think and he gets a free entry to every meeting where they have a runner so it saves him more than it costs.

The closest I came was being part of Elite Racing for a short while. It was the time of Soviet Song. I look back and wonder why I did it, even the name now seems off putting. I wonder how much members will get back if Tiffany wins at the Breeders Cup? I am guessing most owners just leave everything to the trainer. If it was me, he/she would only be doing the training. I would want the control of everything else - that would be the fun aspect. That would include picking the jock. Again I am guessing, but I suspect if you are small fry the trainer might be inclined to tell you to go away if you didn't want the stable jock.

Bar the Prix Royal Oak, no bets again tomorrow. I have always liked having a go in bumpers and novice races, basically trying unearth the new stars. Skelton has virtually killed that idea. He has runners - sometimes multiple - in nearly all those type of races. Like most punters, I have absolutely no idea which will be competitive, and which are having a nice day out. He's become an absolute nightmare for punters like myself.

I did think about Bluey in the Old Roan, but I am concerned about Jones. At the moment he doesn't look the same jock. He had that mystery absence, and you never know what is going on behind closed doors. Even the race he won today, he needed the horse to bail him out.

I did reply to your post, but being looked at. Nothing offensive about it at all. Whenever that happens, they never reappear. I can't be bothered to write it again.

Hello sage, hope you are well,we've had some weather last 2 days...
After your 20.53 post I looked up the David Pipe racing club which is currently 150 pounds for 12 months membership, nothing else to pay...still good value if you get free entry to meetings when they run as you said...however, I asked my mate who's in a different syndicate and there's only between 12 to 20 tickets allocated to the club per runner...it's then balloted amongst those who want to go each time...he's put himself in for all the South West courses and hasn't been lucky in 3 years of trying
Not saying the membership isn't worth it but just that you're unlikely to make the money  back in free racecourse tickets

Jamie Snowdon is on a massive upward curve and places his horses well... Ben Clarke is one to follow with a small string

First time that's happened. Wonder what word triggered it?

Snowden getting a better string each year, and the results reflect that. One of the few you can rely on to actually try and win bumpers. Unfortunately, punters have now wised up. No messing about with the one in the last today and went off very short. Take that out, and it's a couple of rags giving the bookmakers another result.

Hi Reg. I know that 12 badges is standard but David Pipe seems to get more.

Cheers sage, that's really good value then
I noticed you posted at 03.51...! Are you still on Farmer's hours?

Not always but I did wake up around then (4.50 on old time) and felt like a wander round the house adjusting clocks and a quick look on here. Got back to sleep later. Hope you slept through the storms over there in Burnham. Thin day for racing today. Still waiting for Kim Bailey to get going but backed most of the Tizzard winners last week. All the best.

Still blowing like mad on the coast here.
Kim Bailey has about 8 horses entered up this week, including Jetzet in the Novice Hurdle at Hereford tomorrow that looks interesting.
Joe Tizzard has a lot entered at Newton Abbot on Wednesday (?) I noticed

A day in history today. I can't believe so much bottom of the barrel stuff will ever be shown on a main channel again. In terms of sport the horse was still relatively big in the 70's, but 2026?

Big day for the De Bromhead crew at Wexford tomorrow with Palinca and The Big Westerner. Barry Connell has an interesting newcomer at Galway in Louis Winthorpe. Has he talked this up, or are bookmakers running scared in putting it in at just 4/1 against an odds on shot? He is related to several winners, including Empire Of Dirt.

No horse bets today but bit of a sickener when I saw the results. Only horses I would usually have a bet on at Wexford would be if they were Paul Nolan's. I see he had a 33/1 winner.

Paul Nicholls missed the chance to introduce Order On Time at Aintree so it will be interesting to see where he goes next.

The Kim Bailey horse I mentioned a few posts up, Jetzet, is now a NR at Hereford today
Just been pulled out, I got average 4.3 about it, was into 2.8 earlier today...Will look out for it coming out soon...I presume the G/F put him off

The Kim Bailey horse I mentioned a few posts up, Jetzet, is now a NR at Hereford today
Just been pulled out, I got average 4.3 about it, was into 2.8 earlier today...Will look out for it coming out soon...I presume the G/F put him off

Reg..it's been raining, and continues to rain in Hereford,  according to Met Office

Not today for Louis Winthorpe, but having been a little keen, and scruffy early, bags of promise. Would probably have been second had the jock been a little busier from three out. Didn't seem to have an issue with the ground, and the trainer will do well not to win a novice when upped in trip. The winner won very well. Cromwell continues to struggle.

Did a double with two of Cromwells today. Both lost, and he won two other races.

Just backed Kimai. Looked like she was going to win half the track, but has seemingly found nothing off the bridle. You would have got long odds on her finishing out of the three. Point form was on testing ground, but does she actually want better ground? Those winning colours are not often seen making the running.

Getting a little bit cheesed with the whole game at the moment. The Breeders 'just back the favourite' Cup did nothing to help. What was the point in studying for a meeting like that? Yes, let's have a few shorties, but the whole lot? Breaking even was quite a result.

I did say the rise of Skelton would kill the enjoyment of the jump game. It doesn't seem like Mullins chases every little pot like Skelton does, and he does have one or two who can challenge him. It's now virtually impossible to escape Skelton over here.

Sick to death of trainers coming on and saying the horse will come on for the run. It seems like a case of get the excuses in first. We are now in November, how much time do they need? If a horse isn't fit enough to do himself/herself justice they shouldn't be on track. This is post Martin Pipe 2026, not 1926. If they want to then trainers should be able to get horses fit. That's their job. All this stuff about waiting for the ground as well. Are horses that weak these days? Back in the 70's very good horses used to run on virtually any surface, and many had far more than a handful of runs each season.

On a positive note I highlighted Elliott England last season, and it was nice to see him get a winner over fences today. He should get more rides. Unfortunately, I ignored him today, and instead went with the two 'sexy' profile horses, The Book Thief and The Burren Man. A tragic mistake. Similarly, to Kimai, The Book Thief was another Ellis runner that looked to have every chance before not seeing his race out. Bookmakers no doubt delighted. I wouldn't mind so much if they had actually been placed. I don't know what on earth Derham has done with The Burren Man. That's two pathetic performances in a row. The intention was just to school him round today, and even then he couldn't jump. He wasn't keen so there was absolutely no need to have him out the back. He was ridden like a 50/1 shot, not the second favourite. This is the sort of run that the Stewards should look at. He was never going to be competitive. Maybe if you do the schooling at home Harry?

My one bright spot wasn't really a bright spot. I backed Midnight Escape with extra places. With the exception of the favourite, he was the one to take out of the race. To say the stable hasn't hit form would be an understatement. Yes, a very promising effort, but you are not going to get 50/1 again in his career, unless something goes wrong. You only really get one chance with a horse in races like this, but these days they are rarely prepared to win. The stable don't care if he shows promise, and wins at 4/7 next time.

Day rounded off with the gambled on Victory Tip at the Curragh, and watching Lee just sitting on the bridle as everything overtakes him.

Things can only get better? These days I am not so sure.

The last few days makes you wonder why bother?

I'd normally get stuck into the Down Royal meeting.  Had the 4/1 winner on Friday, then after bigging up his horses yesterday three non runners. Didn't bother having a bet.

Ex Aga Khan/Dermot Weld winner Almazann purchased by Willie Mullins/Harold Kirk

Got the dreaded email from Bet365 today saying that my account would be restricted. That's probably as good as a ban. After all the other bans and restrictions, it was only that account that gave me a reason to continue. No credible bookmaker should restrict anyone whose normal bet is an under £20 single. To do that is shameful, but this sort of thing doesn't make the Racing Post. They are too bothered about the well heeled punters who can't get £1000's on. If licences were removed for this practice there would be no bookmakers left.

My last unrestricted bet was Jaycee Reilly. That run sums up racing these days. The horse was given no chance of placing. At one stage he did move up, but was very quickly allowed to drop back again. To be honest I felt cheated. It's happening more and more, and instead of said horse being banned and fines issued, nothing happens. The bookmakers say thank you very much Mr Gordon, and the punter just has to take the rubbish on the chin. The only clue was the lack of support in the market. Invariably, horses from this yard are ridden forward. Not this one.

Still 50 odd years of mainly enjoyment is not a bad innings. I may still look at ante-post stuff, but day to day has gone.

I'm surprised it has taken so long dd

Again Nolan at Wexford 18/1. Printing money

No so big a price but still a winner again

I can only imagine that I slipped through the net Duffy. Multi-million pound Company can't stand bets for peanuts. You couldn't make it up, and so many of the others are even worse. Much worse.

Some x-rated stuff at Chepstow today. Yes, there were some promising performances, but unless you are in the inner circle who wants 4/9 shots? There's no longer anything for the each-way backer, even if you could get on. Laughable exits from O'Neill and Andrews. Andrews looked like he was falling off before he got to the fence. Sounded as if Fitzy was auditioning for Long Lost Family. Gethings crossed the line on a horse with an absolute ton left to give. Embarrassing.

,,,,Just in case any jumping fans didn't get to watch 1.25 and 1.58 at Chepstow.....take a look,... and write down the winning names I reckon.
....Serious talent there, a bit further wouldn't come amiss either.....I will follow both of them ,until /or if,  defeated.....cheers.

I did indirectly refer to them, but my post was removed. Not sure which bit of critricism got it removed - bookmakers, O'Neill, England, Gethings, Fitzy, or bookmakers.

Rich you may be right though I thought the ones in the first race were all a bit in the slow side. Haven't seen times but it looked as though Sheehan was going as quick as he dared to put pressure on the other one most of the way, yet there was a whole load of them still in contention at the home turn.

MJK - you must be having a cracking start to the month. VWD

richgit - agree both looked good but chepstow can be a bit strange for carrying form forward. Nicholls is getting swinging it would seem

..........OK fellas.....I'll temper my enthusiasm when they're next out.....only go half mad !

you could add Nicholls flat winner today as well, assuming it can jump it looks to have a future .... possibly with Dan if its any good

Celtic Dino (Sam Thomas) - Anyone know what the plans are for this, last run was
in the Christmas Hdle behind Sir Gino when he was 2ND Fav @ 4/1.
Is he staying over hurdles or going chasing?
Think there's a nice race in him.
Cheers.

Thanks Betty's.

This will be my last contribution on here.

Having effectively lost the accounts with the firms who offer each-way extra it's no longer feasible to look out for 50/1 shots who might finish 5th or 6th. That ship has sailed. Two farewell bets today with The Flaggy Shore and Newgrove. The Flaggy Shore has the penalty and a tendency to jump right to contend with, but I was putting my hopes on experience, and the hope that Princess Day might bomb out again. Scott hasn't been in form for 2 years. Skelton has been riding the novice hurdle horses much more forward, and hopefully, there will be a similar trend with the bumper horses. We can only hope. There's no value down the line with the 'obvious' so I will be looking to see if the likes of Alltheliesyoutoldme, He's Happy, and Power Of Authority show a modicum of promise.

Good luck with keeping the thread going.

.....Goodbye DD....

How ever good could Presley be? Enormous stride but very green, made mistakes but still beat what might be an above average field.

All the very best dd.

Yes well done DD always informative .

Always a good read your posts DD

Rubaud continues the evidence that horses that were with Paul Nicholls in the last 2 years are nearly all improving. Sadly for Ditcheat, most of them are with other trainers such as Pic D'Ory, Joyau Allen, Fire Flyer to name a few. It could be that they were suffering from a low grade virus and the ones that have stayed at Ditcheat are worth backing along with the ones with Skelton, Henderson and others.

its never been a chaser imo rubaud, uprooted 1 down the back 10 years ago he'd have been on the deck

but the mildmay course isn't what it was

haldon gold cup in its day it was 160+ horses 170+ some years
...trash now

Jockey upgrade at the stable!

If they ran that race again next week I'd lump on the Skelton horse. Pulled far too hard first half of the race.

pumpkins winners lately been spread about

will all end in tears

It will end soon with PFN destroying Pipes record and much more kudos than Pipe.

The success of horses that have been moved from Ditcheat can be interpreted 2 ways. Either the yard had an issue and moving them after a rest and recovery has proved how good they were before the move or the alternative view is that the new trainers have got them healthier and fitter. The next few weeks will tell a story. If the Nicholls youngsters run really well then the answer was that they had a low grade infection last season. No Drama This End will be an important indicator today.

since skelton started training in 2013
all horses switching to skelton (from anyone) 133/526 (25.3%) prop staking to BSP +12.3% before comm
all horses switching to pumpkin (from anyone) 27/154 (17.5%) prop staking tov BSP -31.0% before comm

forget all this about low grade infections excusing pumpkin as a trainer
unless he's had a low grade infection for 13 years?

whoopsie

An absolutely rubbish day for me over the sticks. I had four losers and an NR. I backed No Drama This End despite not being a fan of the jockey, and was bitterly disappointed by the result. He made a few tired-looking jumping errors and looked to have wandered to his left up the straight. I'm prepared to give him one last chance over three miles, but where do you go with him now? Two decent-looking cards at both Naas and Sandown tomorrow to get stuck into, and I'm going to have a deep dive later after I've had my chicken madras.

Bad day here too. All jumping now until next Saturday so I will be very cautious. The jump season is usually settled down by now but with so many horses making a seasonal debut, it is best to watch and make notes for later.

No Drama This End to be aimed at the novice chase at Sandown's Tingle Creek meeting and then a possible tilt at the Kauto Star at Kempton on Boxing Day.

beginners chase be my choice

ye Harry Redknapp hosse, Mourne Crystal, entered in Cheltenham maiden on Sunday in the 12.50 race.... anotherre race atte bout 2miles he tackles...  going is Good-good to firm in places atm,,   some rain due at weekendde.... lookes opposable to me regardlisse of going..                                                                                                                                                     
                           On Friday, also atte edquarterres, me likesse Rebel Tribesman in Cond Jockeys race 1.10 & Hitintheheadlines ~6s in Albert Bartlett race atte 3.30....reckon going be good on Friday - mebbe lotte softta come Sunday..... dey,ll do me demme two iffe dey #posdteuppe gl :)

The Schloer chase is a puzzle. Jonbon is going on 11yo. If he is still the horse he was 2 years ago he wins but he has some bad memories of Cheltenham. Gidleigh Park has not won for almost 2 years and I could not back him at any price. Saint Segal is much more reliable and Jane Williams is in good form so he has to be the choice today. He is only 4lb wrong with Jonbon on RPR.

Sage, I doubt Jonbon remembers anything about Cheltenham other than it might seem familiar. Three possible negatives, the track, his age and possibly the unfamiliar jockey but RPRs could be compiled by Gaze. NH reckons he has him in better nick this year so if running near his OR he should beat this field even with the slight negatives, he would be 1/2 without the negatives imo. Good luck.

Btw for Jonbon backers, 365 are going 13/8 super boost.

13/8 would be tempting but I am not going to open a new account. Shame that Gidleigh is out as it has spoilt the market.

Mighty Bandit for me, progressive last year, second season chaser this, may be mileage in his mark. Aintree form with a couple of mistakes behind Mirabad looks decent form.

Rule 4 .35p sage, now evens super boost and 9/2 Saint Segal boost.

My Saint Segal bet cut from 8.8 to 6.1. He is the outsider of 3 which is a puzzle given his rating against Mighty Bandit and he has the benefit of a run. I expect SS will be tailed off now.

No contest in the end.

I bet ss as well sage with fitness edge over them he's run shocking

like you say got fair price but no good