The great o brien supposedly

They tried to mess up goldofin in gstad race with moore angling gstsd wide to push goldolfin horse wide doing so they messed themselves up , they have no honour only cheating rats and now no more gallileo progeny the cracks are appearimg , its quite clear now there prrsent breds are not able to taking race like before most of them gone over top with their guts pulled out

They had moore told to say to  media bento cevelli best he ever rode )

Mics does his bollix on a 4/6fav.

Give up, Mics. You’re a mug of the highest order!!!

Kenbo go tae to **** u dirty lick

As thick as pig sh1t!

And as thick as pig sh@te!

Kenbo u are pos

sibly right, I know!

Go on mics he admitted running Diamond Necklace undercooked, Ben is a Leger hacker

The great jim bolger once said in an irish newspaper piece that he,d have respect for o brien when he won the big races with one horse in race not numerous horses

IN CAPS LOCK IN THE HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND IT BETTER " MICS STOP BACKING VERY SHORT PRICED FAVS ANDF THEN MOANING WHEN THEY ARE BEAT"!

As Mrs Brown said,"Mic the Dik"

AOB is hugely over-rated. The main sycophant in the racing paper ie Racing Post repeated laps up every superlative AOB spouts eg best I've ever trained, etc, etc, etc, year in, year out.

Put your rod away,you absolute cretin,Implausible

O brien tried to delay empsom derby one yr by 20 min by saddling hos horses on the course , he tried something similar in melbourne and the aussies dealt with him appropriately , he think is is above the law but the cracks are now coming with no gallioeo progeny , this was main reason for his success , he will be shown up over next years to be a very average trainer , he uses the york festival to prep his leger horses to mess punter , lambourn was fav other yr at york and half fit at prohibitive price to destroy the  punter , o brien never had any regard for punter , he never gives the punter any info only rubbish waffle, he and his family are a stain on racing

Mics can also put his rod away.
Nobody could be this stupid

impossible123 06 Sep 26 16:37 
AOB is hugely over-rated.


Aidan O'Brien has trained over 400 Group 1 and Grade 1 winners on the flat.

Which is why he is "Fishing",Hugo

Hugo hscken lets see how many hell train in next coming years without gallilio progeny

henry cecil had 114 group1 winners in the most competitive era of horse racing , with much better horses and trainers then imho,  also there is probably 50% more group1 in uk let alone how much more   in ireland, france and usa these days compared to cecils pomp days,  cecil dint run a battalion of horses in the same race  either , so i agree that obrien a great trainer but not the goat for me

With gallileo coolmore would have being nothing , look at o brien ineptness to fix slow starts in states , it keeps happening for such lauded trainer , the yoke in kentuvky didnt break properly out back and gone , u look at that danny murphy a small trainer in ireland he gets his horses out like bullet and thus has won many races being a small operator but this god aidan still cant figure it out , as i said he is going to be shown be a fraud over next 10 yrs , great trainers dont bring horses to france and run like dogs

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There you go Mics.

It's soul destroying to see some decent race horses are being used solely as pacesetters to facilitate another from the same yard eg Hawk Mountain and Puerto Rico - just this season alone. These two horses would have been appropriately and professionally handled if they are residing in another stable.

chelline supposedly coolmore,s latest   reincarnation of pegasus [ the 3rd this season alone ] running a trial in the soft ground AOB says he hates for THE ARC which is almost certain to be run in the same soft ground he hates , AOB must be struggling to find runners for the big autumn races

Soft ground?

Sep 6, 2026 -- 4:51PM, Hugo-Hackenbush wrote:

impossible123 06 Sep 26 16:37

Well, not by himself, big team of people...

Thanks to Jamie, Finbar,John, Andrew, Shane, Yvonne, Andrew, Seamus, Jamie, Patrick, Timmy, Derek,Vanessa, Kieran, Sarah, Alan, Alice, Michael, Anne-Marie, Keith, Joseph, Ryan, Uncle Tom Cobbly...

And then 'the lads' will always have a chat about it later.

One man, divisible by many, interview ennui.

Absolutely agree with Impossible123. If they're not likely to make good stallions they are often discarded. Other trainers could do something with them but Coolmore wouldn't like that
So they get rid. The sport suffers and the billionaires get richer.

What other stable would (or could) run a Derby winner as a pacemaker (Lambourn), shame the way that horse has been used imo.

AOB clearly has much to learn from the sages on the forum

Mics says it as it is. Galileo was their king. Lets not forget the magic parsnips have been passed onto nappy o'brien..

I wouldn't be blaming O'Brien too much...he's got to keep the lhads happy..running a Derby winner as a blatant pacemaker is obscene and there should be some sort of law in place to prevent it..

7 out of the 12 possibles. obriens left in leger

galway 6.30 listed race 16 runners, obriens have 10

another    8 group1, 7 in ireland  this weekend,  ,  , and easy pickings for coolmore , anyway ill watch the irish champion and hope item  spoil the party , just not interested in the others , sad i used to love the st leger, my fav was commanche runs win , he was some horse , consistent winner from 10f to 14, and beat the best as well

The Group races in Ireland are not for punting. They are usually a benefit for AOB / Coolmore. I hope Item and Blue Bolt can sock it to them. My only reservation is the pilot onboard both of them.

OP

Broken record.Pathetic

having a mare

He ran the guts out of his horses this year but no gallileo progeny now  his horses now have no constitution weak as pish , con river finished drunk there

Quit putting money on them numbnutz.

imbecile123
Quoted The Group races in Ireland are not for punting.
Yet stated he had punted a double on CONSTITUTION RIVER for today with MUSICAL TIMES for the Fillies Mile.
You are a irritating f***d

Now he tells us his horses are sick! Bookies' man thro' and thro'. Thank-you very much Mr O'Brien!

I wondered how long it would be until the excuses!

I think other horseracing jurisdictions eg Hong Kong or Australia would have hauled him before their governing body to explain this late disclosure. Unacceptable to me.

He and the lhads run racing...in fact the lhads own it!

He tells the people today that christmas was coughing before ledger , surely if the jockey knew this surely o brien with draw it but no **** the punter a short priced fav  for lerdger and let it run not a bother on horses welfare , i can tell u this if this happened with sir michael stoute the horse wouldnt ran , it shows contempt for punter and disregatd for the horse welfare , a yr ago at york he informs itv racing a min before race that lambourn a duel derby winner was given an easy and woukd come on for race preparing it for ledger and stinky on it from 4/6 to 7/4 out for exercise fuking punter up and down the lands , he has no respect for punter and none for horse welfare  I remenber when he rode in bumpers he used to cut horees up with whip the same aidan  , he was a butcher hiting bumper horses with severity

All this rubbish bout o brien knowing horse etc is rubbish , watch him in hos bunper days he had no respect for horse welfare and even this year he has ran guts puts put of precise and true love , racing them woth no proper breaks in framce uk and ireland no wonder the run like drains , thats why stoute was grestest for me , he knew his horses imside out and only ran them when they were right not over top like aidan does

A top trainer with multiple entries in very valuable races fails to disclose to the media that the stable has a health problem - how can he get away with it? About as cynical as it gets.
Impossible's right - other jurisdictions would have a hard word with him.

coughing is an excuse, the 3 main fancied horses won , the others simply werent good enough and overated

Con River is no world-beater. His limitation has been exposed twice now.

Any trainer who wastes Derby winners like Lambourn and gp1 winners like Hawk Mountain as pacemakers and spoilers is no friend of horses..

He’s shown scant respect for punters and cares not for his horses, Brandy mentioned a virus this morning, he mentioned having it in the yard the last could have months.

The guy is a scab, plenty have called him a gentleman, that he is NOT!

Aidan O'Brien suggests 'low-grade infection' troubling Ballydoyle for last couple of months

Published on 13 September 2026inAidan O'Brien
Last updated 15:31, 13 September 2026


https://www.racingpost.com/news/people/trainers/aidan-obrien-suggests-low-grade-infection-troubling-ballydoyle-for-last-couple-of-months-ahmmp8b3it6D/

Dirty b.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/aidan-o-brien-in-tax-settlement-1.883660

At end of day they all about the money , greed and more greed aidan is no exemption

A munt is a munt and he’s not fooled me.

And I agree the rich always want to get richer which is why he talks so much BS

On Constitution River he added he could go to Ascot. "He'll have an easy couple of weeks and we'll give him a precautionary antibiotic for a week or two, in case there was something there we didn't see. He's always been a very fast horse and it's possible he's a miler we were stretching out to a mile and a quarter, so he could have both options at Ascot, the mile and a quarter or the mile."

WAPOFS!

Yeah right playing the which race will he take in again as you always do!

'I thought it was brutal riding' - Donnacha O'Brien hits out at Shane Foley's winning ride in the Irish Champion Stakes

Ahhh didummms let’s forget what Action did for puppa in the International! Munt.

Dirty Donnacha can speak!..

I don’t know what’s worse their bre faced lies or the media for regurgitating their endless crud and wearing rose tinted!

Sep 13, 2026 -- 6:05PM, Delashay wrote:

I don’t know what’s worse their bre faced lies or the media for regurgitating their endless crud and wearing rose tinted!

The media....

Since blake joined nappy he is bulding stud farms and  buyimg brood mares , i doubt its from his winnings from ladbrokes as a kid, when u are in the know that pink button is great weapon especially when u have info to hundreds of horses on daily basis , i feel blake is more than just planner id say he is training the horses too

Thet have racing destroyed in ireland , bolger was hounded like a dog when he was getting to the truth of whats going on , they are untouchable unfortunately and they have all the means to destroy other trainers too

It's refreshing to read the negative comments on here and in the media about Coolmore & Aidan as I've been beating this drum for 20+ years!
I see Chris Cook in the RP has been 'brave' in putting the boot in finally regarding the role of G1 pacemakers.

I'm sick & tired of the constant media rímmíng of him about what a genius he is as I say it every season...he hasn't got a clue
95% of the time who his best 2yo & 3yo are in the Spring - you don't have to listen to him to establish that as all you have to
do is look at the SPs of so many G1 & Classic winners!

His numbers admittedly are outstanding...but it's like having five darts every throw - he cannot possibly fail!
The accolades are ridiculous...as if he was superior to Vincent, Cecil, Stoute etc. and remember we've been hearing this 'master
trainer' bóllóx for at least 15 years now and the half centuries of genuine expertise from the others are readily airbrushed from
the record books just because the numbers are greater, though NOT superior! INSANITY!

I've always said that perceived 'moderate' trainers would fare at least as good...so just imagine what any of those legends
above (and many more like Gosden, Cumani, Hern, Harwood, Haggas et al) would've done.
Look what Karl Burke has achieved recently with a bit of quality patronage? Who'd have thunk?
Richard Hannon Snr was very much overlooked for a long time...and I suspect there are many more like him - trainers who've
handled that rare rough diamond impeccably which they've been lucky enough to find instead of having a conveyor belt straight
from the breeding shed.

Coolmore has a permanent production line of the best bloodstock ever assembled in history and they still cannot get a single
horse over a solid three decades in the top 100 horses of the last 50 years!
Sorry fanboys...but res ipsa loqitur - the facts speak for themselves!
I had to throw that in as I backed the horse twice over 30yrs ago...and two wins

Oh...just realised I'm wrong - Istabraq!
AND please do NOT tell me Hawk Wing as ONE aberrant performance hugely inflated his 'level'
He would've been a yardstick for some of the proper 130+ performers of even the 90s who everyone seems to just dismiss
as 'journeymen' champions who danced every dance - Halling, Pilsudski, Daylami, Singspiel to name a few.

I've always qualified any criticism of Aidan by emphasising that it's not a personal critique as I genuinely like the
geezer and I've never seen any trainer be so generous with his time to MSM - it's just a pity that he's not worth
listening to as he talks utter shíté and ultimately, he rarely tells us anything...unless something slips out - you have
to read/listen between the lines to glean anything, or have a good memory.

AND please don't start me on what a pathological LIAR he undoubtedly is - I find it difficult to believe that 'the lads'
have him so compromised - they even called another 'wonder-horse' after what I suspect was for him the most persuasive factor...Fame & Glory!

One thing that has astonished me is how even Ryan Moore must've had a shótgún to his ear to rubber stamp & endorse the búllshít
which everyone can see - it's literal, textbook gaslighting!!

For a guy's who's understandably reticent with his MSM dealings as he's not a natural, call me Columbo but I suspect that stallion
rights percentage has a bearing on his thought process.

He's undoubtedly an all-time great whose G1 haul easily eclipses Piggott & Dettori but it's ALL about quantity - NOT quality.

I couldn't believe it when I saw the first symptoms of his condition (avarice) and he started to LIE for the team, effusing that
St.Mark's Basilica...then Luxembourg then Auguste RodENT then City Of Troy were the best he'd ever ridden!
It becomes embarrassing when he's hailing their latest 'Pegasus' in Constitution River - does your average punter realise that Coolmore's
'elite' are literally a stone off the true greats of the turf? Even way behind the four stellar globetrotters of the 90s I mentioned.

'Strangely' enough...the best recent pair SMB & CoT both didn't wanna stick around at 4yo and try to prove it...though to be fair to the operation,
they DO keep them around at 4 & 5yo - alas...that was a huge surprise if they did in the great 80's era!

What's even more annoying than the media is the average punter/pundit being well hoisted up their ársés and echoing all that bóllóx.
It's like people on their ársé & life's no-hopers/also rans having even a shred of confidence in these thieving scúm politicians!
ALL of them with zero exceptions!
It's clichéd but SO true...they ARE turkeys voting for Crustmas!

Anyone who disagrees...what price that both Aidan & Ryan are spouting the same shíté next year again...and that they won't get a performer
to reach an official 130?

Herbie you’re right with a lot of it but I believe that they do know their pecking order.

They work them together they know but won’t ever say, that’s part of the game.

Today Gasstd has been a BIG mover for the Champion Stakes 16’s from 25’s after AoB said that River was soooo fast that he might be a miler and take in the QE11

Even someone as dismissive as ME must sometimes take notice of their rumour mill
as when the money's down it does speak volumes so that's quite intuitive about Gstaad
though I couldn't trust what might seem to be an obvious target...especially as he's
got Breeders Cup Mile written all over him though I'll be shouting on Notable Speech.

So far it's been way off target with Albert Einstein but they MUST know - especially as
they will gallop him over his full trip at home...unlike the middle distance performers
when there must be plenty of guesswork - that's why I maintain the point about him as good
as playing bingo with the 10/12f 3yolds despite you disagreeing with it.

Nothing that Albert Einstein does in future would surprise me as pound for square inch
regarding column inches, I'd say only City Of Troy was as much hyped - it'd be advised not
to overlook him if he traded at double figures for any target...despite having poor form.

What you are saying Herbie, is that it doesnt matter how successful Aiden is, you will always slag him off?

Dela - a PS to that pecking order - as you well know...it's not too inspiring an
argument when invariably in the first week of June it's blown out of the water

He’s set up for that race perfectly Herbie, be fascinating to see Erendali go if he makes it.

They used Albert as a decoy, knew that Gasstd was their best ;)

There’s one I wanna do in the turf but it’s not been priced

Tiger - tell me what you disagree with in particular?

I'd like to see an ELITE performer from them...one to rank alongside your Frankels, Dancing Braves, Shergars,
Nijinsky's, Mill Reefs etc. - in fact...even that second tier of greats I mentioned earlier...but not a sausage!

Is that really too much to ask?
Especially considering on paper, they are dominant with the top breeding operation in the world...and for decades!

Still waiting after 30 years so I'd give a reluctant nod of approval and appreciate brilliance as I always do when
I see one and I'll reiterate that the only proper champion he's had is a jumper!

I don't think I could've made it any clearer

Dela - American, UK or French?

I think More Thunder might be an interesting curve ball for that though his main problem
would be an embarrassment of oportunities which must wreck the Haggas' heads as there's
a sufeit of late-season options over 6/7/8 furlongs.

American, UK or French?

Don’t follow you mate?

Couldn’t fancy him in the States, they tried the bend at Ascot.

AOB / Coolmore could only afford to do what they're doing as the production is free to use. Of course are expenses to facilitate this freebie however, the incomes from stallion fess, etc, exceed this many multiples.

But, breeding within (similarly with some ethnic groups) is never the greatest unless the stallions and mares are world-beaters which most are not eg no Dubawi, no Frankel, no Night Of Thunder, no Kingman, no Sea The Stars, no Siyouni, no etc. Also, other breeding outfits have progressed and outperformed them eg Godolphin, Juddmonte, Aga Khan, Shadwell, etc. These entities have better quality stallions and mares.

And, keeping all your eggs in one basket is never a wise business venture in any field esp horseracing / breeding.

How much longer can Coolmore stay competitive at the tracks and as a breeding entity with their shrinking quality of stallions and mares?

So why do you think they haven't got a gold-dust stallion? NO excuse as I see it!

Wootton Bassett was certainly promising and he didn't come through their ranks
being a son of a second division Godolphin stallion in Iffraaj!

They were unfortunate to lose him and all their eggs in the basket are now on Justify...
another import, non-Coolmore horse & their Great White Hope in his son City Of Troy.

I'd call that failure that they've had to look elsewhere, the ridiculous hype, bottomless
pit of money & numerous opportunities.

That said...I hope for the benefit of the sport they can unearth another Galileo and next
time spread 'em around a bit

herbie that 16.10   was superb

Gstaad missed the Jacques le Marois' on 16th August due to an infection; Gstaad ran like a dog on 6th Sept in the Prix du Moulin. 

Christmas Day coughed before the St Leger on Saturday; Christmas Day ran like a dog in The Leger.Yesterday AOB disclosed some of his horses were affected by a 'low-grade' viral infection.

The infection that prevented Gstaad from running in the Jacques le Marois on 16th Aug and underperformed in the Prix du Moulin and yesterday's disclosure, could they be related? If so, why did AOB not disclose the infection earlier ie post Moulin's race or shut down the yard until blood tests were taken from every horse in the yard? If memory served Hendo had a similar predicament ie some of his charges ran like sicked puppies. As such, he only ran a handful of horses.

doubt there is an infection, the really fancied horses all won, the others were overated and simply not good enough

The Paddywhacker speaks with forked tongue

Agree, Herbie @ 16.10 is an excellent post.

Bravo that man.

E&J & Slippy - thanks guys. A friend I emailed it to laughed and said it should be an exposé in the RP

I have started to notice people being a bit more responsive to this anti-Coolmore/Aidan brainwashing recently
as they've finally noticed the evidence is smacking them right in the boat and so Chris Cook who's a likeable &
knowledgeable guy putting his head above the parapet is a start amongst the pro's.
I wonder what his 'punishment' will be?

The ones who've been rímmíng him for the last 20 years need to take a good look at themselves...and a good mouthwash

I'd really like to know what the pundits who are worth listening to have to think but the sensible ones went AWOL from
here years ago. I like Matt Williams...even with his broad Scouse accent (which is usually a lunge for the 'mute' button
with me) as he's one of the few who says it as it is...and that's probably the reason we rarely see him on TV nowadays
I like an opinion even when it conflicts with mine.

I don't know why they can't retain their anonymity and fire a polite, constructive salvo back at me if they disagreed...
but I suspect they'd nod along at every syllable.

I know Chapman's not too popular with many but I've always admired anyone with his knowledge (if not presentation-style)
and to be fair to him...he can be politely critical & opinionated, with his constraints as he has a career to consider.


Delashay - my American, UK or Frech question was in response to;

'There’s one I wanna do in the turf but it’s not been priced'

Dela - you might just be onto something about that turn scuppering a possible US tilt at the BC Mile as it was 
proffered as an excuse for his defeat at Ascot against Zeus Olympios (though he's no slouch) as another pair who
were obviously inferior to him also finished ahead and I did hear Maureen alluded to reservations about a bend,
which listening between the lines must cast a doubt on a very obvious target in The Foret on Arc day.

A turn gives the chance of a decent breather for a lesser horse, enabling a shot at a better one and as More Thunder
doesn't need one as he's resolute when he gets his head down, it's not playing to his strengths...though I wouldn't
be convinced just yet on the evidence of that one run, as well as defeat in last year's Foret, though he ran well to
be placed - incidentally he was the same distance behind Ten Bob Tony as he was when that fella astonished in the
Queen Anne, albeit on different ground & trip - probably why I gave him a mention before the race saying he'd win a
G1 when he had his optimum conditions...which I didn't believe were fast ground and a mile!

That's not to say they won't consider the BC Mile for More Thunder if all's well after Champions' Day, it might well
become a viable option.
Then it's on to Champions' Day (he's surpringly not entered for the Sprint...paving the way for his classy stablemate
Almeraq to seal a great season and become undisputed champion sprinter) but he's got QE2 & Champion Stakes entries!

So it's probably unlikely he'll tackle the BC Mile...but I hope he does as he CAN easily win a G1 over 6/7/8f.
Then again...Haggas is hardly a cavalier trainer as he does look after his horses so I wouldn't know what he has planned.

“why did AOB not disclose the infection earlier ie post Moulin's race or shut down the yard until blood tests were taken from every horse in the yard? If memory served Hendo had a similar predicament ie some of his charges ran like sicked puppies. As such, he only ran a handful of horses.“

Impossible that’s correct and you’d think that that would have been the case. I didn’t too wonder about Gasstd, but you know these stories have a purpose
They are put out with a means to an end.

It’s teeing up something for later the timing isn’t just plucked.

Delashay - my American, UK or Frech question was in response to;

'There’s one I wanna do in the turf but it’s not been priced'

Herbie  I’ll let you know, a jock has already been pencilled in and booked ;) a British jock.
If all goes well in its next race it’ll be onto the States.

I’m not sure that Haggas is one to target the breeders cup but I’d not fancy More Thunder there, he’s had a go at the G1’s with his optimum conditions and failed.

New series airing on RTÉ Kids this afternoon.

'Aiden & The Chipmunks'.

It’s got Joey to a T with those specs!

And the nappy too!...with thanks to slickster

So remember that Aidan O’Brien has the full backing of Coolmore behind his every move, and yet in all that time only three of his horses have reached a rating of 130: the totally overrated Galileo, and the equally overrated Hawk Wing  although to be fair to Hawk Wing, he did produce one amazing performance that earned his rating, backed up by the clock and achieved on heavy ground. Meanwhile, Rip Van Winkle hit 130 after beating Paco Boy in the Sussex Stakes. He was the last Coolmore horse trained by O’Brien to reach 130 in his career.

So that’s three horses from thousands, which is a statement in itself. However, there is more information available which casts doubt on his brilliance — or alleged brilliance. While training for Godolphin, Saeed bin Suroor has trained four horses rated over 130 if you include Lammtarra, along with Daylami, Dubai Millenium and Daylami that’s right the amazing Saeed bin Suroor has trained more horses rated over 130.

Other trainers to have horses rated over 130 include Henry Cecil, John Gosden, William Haggas, Sir Michael Stoute, and probably others I have missed but none of them have the backing of a breeding empire like Coolmore.

Mentioned Daylami twice in my post and missed out Fantastic Light

Hawk Wing: Rated 136, famous for an 11-length win in the 2003 Lockinge Stakes.
Galileo: Rated 134, the 2001 Derby winner and legendary sire.
Rip Van Winkle: Rated 134, top-class miler and Juddmonte International winner.
Stravinsky: Rated 133, brilliant sprinter who dominated the July Cup and Nunthorpe.
Rock of Gibraltar: Rated 133, historic winner of seven consecutive Group/Grade 1 races.
George Washington: Rated 133, outstanding 2000 Guineas winner.
Fame And Glory: Rated 133, top-tier middle-distance star and Ascot Gold Cup winner.
So You Think: Rated 133, multiple-time Group 1 champion acquired from Australia.
Excelebration: Rated 133, top-class miler.

Other superb horses,
 
Giants Causeway,
Paddington
Y eats
City of Troy

And lots more.........

George Washington  A fast ground horse sent out on a knee deep dirt track to win a race he’d never of won on fast.
Perhaps the start of running G1 horses into the ground literally.

F&G thumped by Sea the Stars
SLOW YOU THINK battered by Rewilding
EXCELecbration average

Was RIP the good? Not so sure about those ones and the rest were before my time.

? You really think horses are machines? ffs. The previous poster said he only trained 3 horses that were rated 130 and higher, I've simply given a list of 9!

Were those Official Ratings,TT?

Timeform or International ratings.

My post is factual official ratings nothing to do with Timeform or any AI inspired answers, I am afraid Tiger your totally and utterly incorrect

Timeform Ratings were always exagerated,TT.
However,to suggest that AOB has never trained 130+ Rated horses is utter stupidity (a daily occurrence on here)

Only the top three in your list and the three I actually mentioned ever reached 130 or more the rest never did

Irons, not sure if your meaning me but just to clarify I said he trained three horses over 130, never once said he had not trained any, did say that he has trained three out of the thousands of horses he has had to reach 130 or more

Ooops, my last reply has to be approved by the moderators!

Mine disappeared, no TT I dint think that they are machines.

Looking back if a horse isn’t seen as a stallion he’ll be treated like Gorgeous George was.