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Just to keep it on track, I think I can partly agree with both of you.
I think Cagliari means that cider is making a wider political point, not just about ACs, credit checks. Though I also agree ACs are a political issue, as cider says, but maybe we need to keep discussion to the main focus here of ACs and related credit checks for gambling. |
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It is part of the wider picture, stu. As I've posted previously, the erosion of personal responsibility. I've commented on the specifics of using credit reports as part of ACs, the likelihood it's just the start, and the macro reasons ie ideology that are driving them. It's all relevant, however I'm not demanding that people agree with me. It won't prevent me posting my thoughts :)
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It's just that starting to debate far wider issues moves us away from the specifics of ACs and credit checks linked to gambling is all.
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I really do think it's important to observe that these are established psychological techniques. If you take the grand national for example, very few people in the sport would have agreed to turn the race as it was this year. But if they chip away, year by year, people are much more malleable.
To take the analogy further, the original BB drop could have been discussed specifically, and it would be pretty easy to get them to agree it should be safer for horses and jockeys. Less so, the completely hollowed out race as it is now. Yes I am 'guilty' of looking at the wider picture as well as the specifics at hand, rightly or wrongly. Which is obviously why, for example, I was always hugely against lockdowns. As I recognised the manipulation at play, and the end goal. |
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But, as you said cider, there's very little we can do to stop the concept of ACs, so it becomes moot discussing these wider theories.
More interesting is whether they might morph into forms such as soft credit checking instead. |
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This is true, but if I have irritated CagliariG, we can take the positives out of it.
I enjoy vocalising my thoughts via the written word. And not bothered if people don't agree. I suspect that is self evident by now  I feel like we should hold the line personally. And not agree the, for example, soft checks are the least worst option. We should not deviate from the fact that the government has no business influencing what I choose to spend my own money on. And if we end up going down that dark path, they should be consistent and apply it to all discretionary spending. |
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If it ever gets us anywhere to oppose these 'lighter touch' forms of credit checking, then yes, I'd agree.
I'm not convinced however that will ever be true (not in our lives anyway). Sometimes in negotiations about things like this, I think you have to consider the 'compromises' in solutions. The first types of ACs that were described were utterly appalling in comparison to a soft credit search - that's a comparison I'm interested in considering as we move formwards. |
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Totally agree their gambling protection claims are rubbish, for those issues above, yes.
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Those car lottery things are becoming ubiquitous as well. I saw one this week with two pretty girls selling tickets for two new cars and a £m+ property. They are shameless really. Like who is betting on this shyte. Not BBC Guardian types, I would hypothesise.
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yep, win a car, win a house, do a quiz question and win 10k, etc etc...all filth.
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...and Bingo 'social' sites...pass the sick bucket!
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Yes, Select committees have very little power. They can make things awkward for government, CS and quangos, but not change laws or policy. On many occasions it's another virtue signalling opportunity for the likes of bitter cricketers and martin lewis. Many people may have seen the liaison committee in Boris Johnson's time, that's the chair of each individual select committee. I suppose the only one with moderate power will be dishing out Farage's punishment.
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If you're ever bored, look up Mike Ashley's appearance in front of the Business, Innovation, and Skills select committee :) People being schooled, and it wasn't MA...
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If it's your money then how you spend it should be nobody's business. I don't see how a good credit rating automatically means you should be clear to bet. Using 'credit' for gambling is not a good idea. If you are on benefits of any kind to help keep you afloat then you should be banned from all gambling sites. I'm sure that would be fairly possible to implement. Cash is a different proposition, that's why benefits shouldn't be paid in cash.
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This whole thing is so out of control just isn't blind leading the blind it is stupid racing is the only loser apart from Joe Public and losses from taxes etc where are our political leaders does Nandy not get the gig this seems to be done on the sly randomly soft checks or not it is a check what happened to uman rites and consent.
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Flutter left the LSE they knew but does anybody else nothing left soon.
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What does the Flutter listing have to do with this?
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