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Absolutely. The frustrating thing is I backed it at 27.0. But it's not just that. He clearly stopped
riding the last 30 or so yards. Of course, our stewards will not give him the long layoff that he
should get....we'll see.
riding the last 30 or so yards. Of course, our stewards will not give him the long layoff that he
should get....we'll see.
The Stewards can only impose a ban which is within their guidlines
Irony it was spencer that caught him, and he wasn't even trying to 
Missed the race, did he stop riding on purpose or did he think he had won ?
thought he had it won and dropped his hands for 3 strides. Then realised but too late. Got beat a nose so clearly made the difference.
That's one way to protect your handicap mark.
Pleasantly surprised. He won't make the same mistake again.
Mind you Hugo has a point. How many times do we see riders stop trying for say 2nd/3rd places?
But he did, in the very next race he cant be bothered to ride out for second but saved by the third Saffie not being bothered to ride out either, depts of idiocy off the charts....
I thought it was harsh om him 28 days when u have jockeys in uk amd ireland that purposely dont bother for a place like mr keane especially , seemingly the authorities in both juridfictions only care bout the win man and ew man is treated with contempt , there was a ride mr keane did other day in kilarney where he actually pulled his mount back not to be third
2 choices
take 28 days on chin
or explain why his defenders think ROSSA at full blast for 3/4 strides wont make any difference to the beaten distance, A NOSE
take 28 days on chin
or explain why his defenders think ROSSA at full blast for 3/4 strides wont make any difference to the beaten distance, A NOSE
Is it me or do we see this sort of thing more than we used to say in the 80's/90's? Jockeys not riding a finish, dropping their hands, taking the wrong course, dodgy unseats? Seems to happen every couple of months. 28 days is a lot but the PJA agreed to the rules/punishment guidelines.
agree with HH 7-10 probably about right 28 days is harsh hope he gets some sun.
Rossa Ryan has been suspended for 28 days after easing up before the line and being beaten close home at Sandown Park.
Arc de Triomphe-winning rider Ryan was on board 14/1 shot Thunder Home for trainer James Horton in the seven-furlong Martin Densham & Peter Deal Memorial British EBF Maiden Stakes.
The horse, having his third start after finishing seventh and fifth at Ascot and Lingfield respectively earlier in the year, started brightly from stall three and went into a clear lead. He still held an advantage of around four lengths entering the final furlong and Ryan appeared to ease off without being aware that the Jamie Spencer-ridden Zero Error was finishing with a rare rattle down the outside.
The John & Thady Gosden-trained Zero Error was making his racecourse debut but stuck to the task admirably and ultimately got up to score by the narrowest margin of a nose.
Betfair reported that Thunder Home traded at 1.01 on the Exchange to the tune of £8,000.
The Stewards' Report on the BHA website read: "Rossa Ryan, the rider of THUNDER HOME, had appeared to stop riding on the run to the line before recommencing his ride in the final strides to finish second, beaten by a nose.
"After being interviewed and shown recordings of the incident, Ryan was suspended for 28 days for failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures to obtain the best possible placing on a horse that would have finished first."
Winning rider Spencer said on Racing TV: "I rode him in work maybe 10 days ago and he hasn't been on the grass. We were hoping he'd run a nice race but I was pleasantly surprised when I whipped him out at the two-pole - how he quickened and sustained his run through the line.
"He's a promising colt and he's out of a Galileo mare, so he should stay a mile well. He was a bit green going down (to the start) but you love it when they're like that and they learn on the job. What he did from the two-pole right through the winning post, you'd have to be very pleased with."
Arc de Triomphe-winning rider Ryan was on board 14/1 shot Thunder Home for trainer James Horton in the seven-furlong Martin Densham & Peter Deal Memorial British EBF Maiden Stakes.
The horse, having his third start after finishing seventh and fifth at Ascot and Lingfield respectively earlier in the year, started brightly from stall three and went into a clear lead. He still held an advantage of around four lengths entering the final furlong and Ryan appeared to ease off without being aware that the Jamie Spencer-ridden Zero Error was finishing with a rare rattle down the outside.
The John & Thady Gosden-trained Zero Error was making his racecourse debut but stuck to the task admirably and ultimately got up to score by the narrowest margin of a nose.
Betfair reported that Thunder Home traded at 1.01 on the Exchange to the tune of £8,000.
The Stewards' Report on the BHA website read: "Rossa Ryan, the rider of THUNDER HOME, had appeared to stop riding on the run to the line before recommencing his ride in the final strides to finish second, beaten by a nose.
"After being interviewed and shown recordings of the incident, Ryan was suspended for 28 days for failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures to obtain the best possible placing on a horse that would have finished first."
Winning rider Spencer said on Racing TV: "I rode him in work maybe 10 days ago and he hasn't been on the grass. We were hoping he'd run a nice race but I was pleasantly surprised when I whipped him out at the two-pole - how he quickened and sustained his run through the line.
"He's a promising colt and he's out of a Galileo mare, so he should stay a mile well. He was a bit green going down (to the start) but you love it when they're like that and they learn on the job. What he did from the two-pole right through the winning post, you'd have to be very pleased with."
Coneygree1971 23 Jul 26 20:27
Is it me or do we see this sort of thing more than we used to say in the 80's/90's? Jockeys not riding a finish, dropping their hands, taking the wrong course, dodgy unseats? Seems to happen every couple of months. 28 days is a lot but the PJA agreed to the rules/punishment guidelines.
Not often they take the wrong course in a Flat race, but famously at Goodwood in the late eighties, the race was voided when ? Mtoto and his pals went the wrong way. I seem to recall a Cumani horse in the field but de name escapes me
As for easing up prematurely, Willie Carson, not once but twice, in the ? Cheshire Oaks and on a fav at Lingfield.
As for "dodgy unseats", what we have to remember is that widespread coverage of racing is a relatively new thing, so if they were doing "eject pilot" stunts back in the day, you would have to have been on course and watching like a hawk through ya bin's!
In conclusion, I think it's always gone on, cuz in the words of the Human League, we're only human, born to make mistakes!
Is it me or do we see this sort of thing more than we used to say in the 80's/90's? Jockeys not riding a finish, dropping their hands, taking the wrong course, dodgy unseats? Seems to happen every couple of months. 28 days is a lot but the PJA agreed to the rules/punishment guidelines.
Not often they take the wrong course in a Flat race, but famously at Goodwood in the late eighties, the race was voided when ? Mtoto and his pals went the wrong way. I seem to recall a Cumani horse in the field but de name escapes me
As for easing up prematurely, Willie Carson, not once but twice, in the ? Cheshire Oaks and on a fav at Lingfield.
As for "dodgy unseats", what we have to remember is that widespread coverage of racing is a relatively new thing, so if they were doing "eject pilot" stunts back in the day, you would have to have been on course and watching like a hawk through ya bin's!
In conclusion, I think it's always gone on, cuz in the words of the Human League, we're only human, born to make mistakes!
You know what's missing from that stewards' report? An answer to 1st time poster's question about whether it made a difference. It probably did but where is the GPS tracking data?
By coincidence, I have in front of me the Racing Post from 10 July 2002. Its front page:-
Angry scenes as Culhane banned for 21 days after dropping hands
"My brother and I had a cracking bet on True Courage. It's probably cost us more than it will cost him in riding fees." -- one furious punter after hot favourite is beaten at Pontefract yesterday.
Plot twist: True Courage never won a race.
Angry scenes as Culhane banned for 21 days after dropping hands
"My brother and I had a cracking bet on True Courage. It's probably cost us more than it will cost him in riding fees." -- one furious punter after hot favourite is beaten at Pontefract yesterday.
Plot twist: True Courage never won a race.
They are all supposed to be ridden out to the line but as we all know half of them are ridden for handicap marks and not a blind bit of notice is taken.
Quite a contrast to racing in Hong Kong.
He did not deliberately get it beat so I think 28 days it a bit harsh given nothing much is ever done to other rides further down the field.
Quite a contrast to racing in Hong Kong.
He did not deliberately get it beat so I think 28 days it a bit harsh given nothing much is ever done to other rides further down the field.
Jul 24, 2026 -- 9:54AM, barstool wrote:
They are all supposed to be ridden out to the line but as we all know half of them are ridden for handicap marks and not a blind bit of notice is taken.Quite a contrast to racing in Hong Kong. He did not deliberately get it beat so I think 28 days it a bit harsh given nothing much is ever done to other rides further down the field.
Absolutely all spot on.
But Stewarding generally should equally be looking into the Maiden or Novice races where the favourite and 2nd favourite go off in front and the other runners are many lengths behind and never put into the race until its too late, if at all. Watch these types of races over both codes today and you'll see plenty of rides that simply put arent sufficently good enough.
For sure, these types of rides need looked into more often than they currently are.
A clear example of the impact of the misdemeanour counting, rather than the level of incompetence or misjudgement.
He could have been showboating for the final furlong, and the penalty would be the same. Was it Cosgrave who tried to complete the race on a horse with a stone in hand at Chelmsford, and he screwed it up? The penalty is exactly the same. And if the photo had gone the other way, Spencer would have been answering the questions instead.
He could have been showboating for the final furlong, and the penalty would be the same. Was it Cosgrave who tried to complete the race on a horse with a stone in hand at Chelmsford, and he screwed it up? The penalty is exactly the same. And if the photo had gone the other way, Spencer would have been answering the questions instead.
Called Concorde, rather ironically
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brSDHtiV-P4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brSDHtiV-P4
yep, tried to win on the bridle the whole way, and was pulling up at the line! 28 days
..."but as we all know half of them are ridden for handicap marks and not a blind bit of notice is taken." Difference is you can nearly always tell from the betting beforehand.
will look at that later. Don't think there's a vid of Culhane at Ponte for Hamdan. You would die laughing.
formoftheace23 Jul 26 17:05Joined: 17 Apr 12 | Topic/replies: 23,369 | Blogger: formoftheace's blog
Ride them over the line…..
Willie Carson….
WIllie dropped his hands on an evens favourite,and got beat, think it was lingfield on a saturday night
Ride them over the line…..
Willie Carson….
WIllie dropped his hands on an evens favourite,and got beat, think it was lingfield on a saturday night
I had 500 on it.....lol
Hamdan horse i think, but it was a long time ago.
Hamdan horse i think, but it was a long time ago.
ive found an old thread from 2012....Horse was Kamari.
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I was at Lingfield that day, the place was absolutely heaving and Carson stopped riding on the banker of the meeting and got caught, it was 4/5 or thereabouts. People were absolutely fuming at him when he got to the unsaddling enclosure. It was one of Hamdans but I'll be damned if I can remember its name.
I was at Lingfield that day, the place was absolutely heaving and Carson stopped riding on the banker of the meeting and got caught, it was 4/5 or thereabouts. People were absolutely fuming at him when he got to the unsaddling enclosure. It was one of Hamdans but I'll be damned if I can remember its name.
yup
Carson dropped his hands on the filly Kamari at Lingfield Park. The infamous incident occurred on a Saturday night in May 1996. Carson was riding the heavily backed 4-5 favourite but eased up and dropped his hands near the line, thinking he had the race completely won. He was caught completely unawares and pipped at the post by Major Dundee, ridden by the apprentice Dane O'Neill
The high-profile blunder devastated Carson's pride and sparked widespread calls for his retirement, leading him to announce shortly after that the 1996 season would highly likely be his last.
Carson dropped his hands on the filly Kamari at Lingfield Park. The infamous incident occurred on a Saturday night in May 1996. Carson was riding the heavily backed 4-5 favourite but eased up and dropped his hands near the line, thinking he had the race completely won. He was caught completely unawares and pipped at the post by Major Dundee, ridden by the apprentice Dane O'Neill
The high-profile blunder devastated Carson's pride and sparked widespread calls for his retirement, leading him to announce shortly after that the 1996 season would highly likely be his last.
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