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Absolutely. The frustrating thing is I backed it at 27.0. But it's not just that. He clearly stopped
riding the last 30 or so yards. Of course, our stewards will not give him the long layoff that he
should get....we'll see.
riding the last 30 or so yards. Of course, our stewards will not give him the long layoff that he
should get....we'll see.
The Stewards can only impose a ban which is within their guidlines
Irony it was spencer that caught him, and he wasn't even trying to 
Missed the race, did he stop riding on purpose or did he think he had won ?
thought he had it won and dropped his hands for 3 strides. Then realised but too late. Got beat a nose so clearly made the difference.
That's one way to protect your handicap mark.
Pleasantly surprised. He won't make the same mistake again.
Mind you Hugo has a point. How many times do we see riders stop trying for say 2nd/3rd places?
But he did, in the very next race he cant be bothered to ride out for second but saved by the third Saffie not being bothered to ride out either, depts of idiocy off the charts....
I thought it was harsh om him 28 days when u have jockeys in uk amd ireland that purposely dont bother for a place like mr keane especially , seemingly the authorities in both juridfictions only care bout the win man and ew man is treated with contempt , there was a ride mr keane did other day in kilarney where he actually pulled his mount back not to be third
2 choices
take 28 days on chin
or explain why his defenders think ROSSA at full blast for 3/4 strides wont make any difference to the beaten distance, A NOSE
take 28 days on chin
or explain why his defenders think ROSSA at full blast for 3/4 strides wont make any difference to the beaten distance, A NOSE
Is it me or do we see this sort of thing more than we used to say in the 80's/90's? Jockeys not riding a finish, dropping their hands, taking the wrong course, dodgy unseats? Seems to happen every couple of months. 28 days is a lot but the PJA agreed to the rules/punishment guidelines.
agree with HH 7-10 probably about right 28 days is harsh hope he gets some sun.
Rossa Ryan has been suspended for 28 days after easing up before the line and being beaten close home at Sandown Park.
Arc de Triomphe-winning rider Ryan was on board 14/1 shot Thunder Home for trainer James Horton in the seven-furlong Martin Densham & Peter Deal Memorial British EBF Maiden Stakes.
The horse, having his third start after finishing seventh and fifth at Ascot and Lingfield respectively earlier in the year, started brightly from stall three and went into a clear lead. He still held an advantage of around four lengths entering the final furlong and Ryan appeared to ease off without being aware that the Jamie Spencer-ridden Zero Error was finishing with a rare rattle down the outside.
The John & Thady Gosden-trained Zero Error was making his racecourse debut but stuck to the task admirably and ultimately got up to score by the narrowest margin of a nose.
Betfair reported that Thunder Home traded at 1.01 on the Exchange to the tune of £8,000.
The Stewards' Report on the BHA website read: "Rossa Ryan, the rider of THUNDER HOME, had appeared to stop riding on the run to the line before recommencing his ride in the final strides to finish second, beaten by a nose.
"After being interviewed and shown recordings of the incident, Ryan was suspended for 28 days for failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures to obtain the best possible placing on a horse that would have finished first."
Winning rider Spencer said on Racing TV: "I rode him in work maybe 10 days ago and he hasn't been on the grass. We were hoping he'd run a nice race but I was pleasantly surprised when I whipped him out at the two-pole - how he quickened and sustained his run through the line.
"He's a promising colt and he's out of a Galileo mare, so he should stay a mile well. He was a bit green going down (to the start) but you love it when they're like that and they learn on the job. What he did from the two-pole right through the winning post, you'd have to be very pleased with."
Arc de Triomphe-winning rider Ryan was on board 14/1 shot Thunder Home for trainer James Horton in the seven-furlong Martin Densham & Peter Deal Memorial British EBF Maiden Stakes.
The horse, having his third start after finishing seventh and fifth at Ascot and Lingfield respectively earlier in the year, started brightly from stall three and went into a clear lead. He still held an advantage of around four lengths entering the final furlong and Ryan appeared to ease off without being aware that the Jamie Spencer-ridden Zero Error was finishing with a rare rattle down the outside.
The John & Thady Gosden-trained Zero Error was making his racecourse debut but stuck to the task admirably and ultimately got up to score by the narrowest margin of a nose.
Betfair reported that Thunder Home traded at 1.01 on the Exchange to the tune of £8,000.
The Stewards' Report on the BHA website read: "Rossa Ryan, the rider of THUNDER HOME, had appeared to stop riding on the run to the line before recommencing his ride in the final strides to finish second, beaten by a nose.
"After being interviewed and shown recordings of the incident, Ryan was suspended for 28 days for failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures to obtain the best possible placing on a horse that would have finished first."
Winning rider Spencer said on Racing TV: "I rode him in work maybe 10 days ago and he hasn't been on the grass. We were hoping he'd run a nice race but I was pleasantly surprised when I whipped him out at the two-pole - how he quickened and sustained his run through the line.
"He's a promising colt and he's out of a Galileo mare, so he should stay a mile well. He was a bit green going down (to the start) but you love it when they're like that and they learn on the job. What he did from the two-pole right through the winning post, you'd have to be very pleased with."
Coneygree1971 23 Jul 26 20:27
Is it me or do we see this sort of thing more than we used to say in the 80's/90's? Jockeys not riding a finish, dropping their hands, taking the wrong course, dodgy unseats? Seems to happen every couple of months. 28 days is a lot but the PJA agreed to the rules/punishment guidelines.
Not often they take the wrong course in a Flat race, but famously at Goodwood in the late eighties, the race was voided when ? Mtoto and his pals went the wrong way. I seem to recall a Cumani horse in the field but de name escapes me
As for easing up prematurely, Willie Carson, not once but twice, in the ? Cheshire Oaks and on a fav at Lingfield.
As for "dodgy unseats", what we have to remember is that widespread coverage of racing is a relatively new thing, so if they were doing "eject pilot" stunts back in the day, you would have to have been on course and watching like a hawk through ya bin's!
In conclusion, I think it's always gone on, cuz in the words of the Human League, we're only human, born to make mistakes!
Is it me or do we see this sort of thing more than we used to say in the 80's/90's? Jockeys not riding a finish, dropping their hands, taking the wrong course, dodgy unseats? Seems to happen every couple of months. 28 days is a lot but the PJA agreed to the rules/punishment guidelines.
Not often they take the wrong course in a Flat race, but famously at Goodwood in the late eighties, the race was voided when ? Mtoto and his pals went the wrong way. I seem to recall a Cumani horse in the field but de name escapes me
As for easing up prematurely, Willie Carson, not once but twice, in the ? Cheshire Oaks and on a fav at Lingfield.
As for "dodgy unseats", what we have to remember is that widespread coverage of racing is a relatively new thing, so if they were doing "eject pilot" stunts back in the day, you would have to have been on course and watching like a hawk through ya bin's!
In conclusion, I think it's always gone on, cuz in the words of the Human League, we're only human, born to make mistakes!
You know what's missing from that stewards' report? An answer to 1st time poster's question about whether it made a difference. It probably did but where is the GPS tracking data?
By coincidence, I have in front of me the Racing Post from 10 July 2002. Its front page:-
Angry scenes as Culhane banned for 21 days after dropping hands
"My brother and I had a cracking bet on True Courage. It's probably cost us more than it will cost him in riding fees." -- one furious punter after hot favourite is beaten at Pontefract yesterday.
Plot twist: True Courage never won a race.
Angry scenes as Culhane banned for 21 days after dropping hands
"My brother and I had a cracking bet on True Courage. It's probably cost us more than it will cost him in riding fees." -- one furious punter after hot favourite is beaten at Pontefract yesterday.
Plot twist: True Courage never won a race.
They are all supposed to be ridden out to the line but as we all know half of them are ridden for handicap marks and not a blind bit of notice is taken.
Quite a contrast to racing in Hong Kong.
He did not deliberately get it beat so I think 28 days it a bit harsh given nothing much is ever done to other rides further down the field.
Quite a contrast to racing in Hong Kong.
He did not deliberately get it beat so I think 28 days it a bit harsh given nothing much is ever done to other rides further down the field.
Jul 24, 2026 -- 9:54AM, barstool wrote:
They are all supposed to be ridden out to the line but as we all know half of them are ridden for handicap marks and not a blind bit of notice is taken.Quite a contrast to racing in Hong Kong. He did not deliberately get it beat so I think 28 days it a bit harsh given nothing much is ever done to other rides further down the field.
Absolutely all spot on.
But Stewarding generally should equally be looking into the Maiden or Novice races where the favourite and 2nd favourite go off in front and the other runners are many lengths behind and never put into the race until its too late, if at all. Watch these types of races over both codes today and you'll see plenty of rides that simply put arent sufficently good enough.
For sure, these types of rides need looked into more often than they currently are.
A clear example of the impact of the misdemeanour counting, rather than the level of incompetence or misjudgement.
He could have been showboating for the final furlong, and the penalty would be the same. Was it Cosgrave who tried to complete the race on a horse with a stone in hand at Chelmsford, and he screwed it up? The penalty is exactly the same. And if the photo had gone the other way, Spencer would have been answering the questions instead.
He could have been showboating for the final furlong, and the penalty would be the same. Was it Cosgrave who tried to complete the race on a horse with a stone in hand at Chelmsford, and he screwed it up? The penalty is exactly the same. And if the photo had gone the other way, Spencer would have been answering the questions instead.
Called Concorde, rather ironically
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brSDHtiV-P4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brSDHtiV-P4
yep, tried to win on the bridle the whole way, and was pulling up at the line! 28 days
..."but as we all know half of them are ridden for handicap marks and not a blind bit of notice is taken." Difference is you can nearly always tell from the betting beforehand.
will look at that later. Don't think there's a vid of Culhane at Ponte for Hamdan. You would die laughing.
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Ride them over the line…..
Willie Carson….
WIllie dropped his hands on an evens favourite,and got beat, think it was lingfield on a saturday night
Ride them over the line…..
Willie Carson….
WIllie dropped his hands on an evens favourite,and got beat, think it was lingfield on a saturday night
I had 500 on it.....lol
Hamdan horse i think, but it was a long time ago.
Hamdan horse i think, but it was a long time ago.
ive found an old thread from 2012....Horse was Kamari.
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I was at Lingfield that day, the place was absolutely heaving and Carson stopped riding on the banker of the meeting and got caught, it was 4/5 or thereabouts. People were absolutely fuming at him when he got to the unsaddling enclosure. It was one of Hamdans but I'll be damned if I can remember its name.
I was at Lingfield that day, the place was absolutely heaving and Carson stopped riding on the banker of the meeting and got caught, it was 4/5 or thereabouts. People were absolutely fuming at him when he got to the unsaddling enclosure. It was one of Hamdans but I'll be damned if I can remember its name.
yup
Carson dropped his hands on the filly Kamari at Lingfield Park. The infamous incident occurred on a Saturday night in May 1996. Carson was riding the heavily backed 4-5 favourite but eased up and dropped his hands near the line, thinking he had the race completely won. He was caught completely unawares and pipped at the post by Major Dundee, ridden by the apprentice Dane O'Neill
The high-profile blunder devastated Carson's pride and sparked widespread calls for his retirement, leading him to announce shortly after that the 1996 season would highly likely be his last.
Carson dropped his hands on the filly Kamari at Lingfield Park. The infamous incident occurred on a Saturday night in May 1996. Carson was riding the heavily backed 4-5 favourite but eased up and dropped his hands near the line, thinking he had the race completely won. He was caught completely unawares and pipped at the post by Major Dundee, ridden by the apprentice Dane O'Neill
The high-profile blunder devastated Carson's pride and sparked widespread calls for his retirement, leading him to announce shortly after that the 1996 season would highly likely be his last.
Bump
Like Sean Bowen not riding out for 3rd in the first at Uttoxeter just then
A ban incoming for him?
Unlikely
Like Sean Bowen not riding out for 3rd in the first at Uttoxeter just then
A ban incoming for him?
Unlikely
Seems futile as he did that self incriminating thing of getting more vigorous again once he spotted the winner.
Won't be quashed. Might be reduced as 28 days looks harsh.
However, I'd like to see the GPS evidence or even video-frame timing showing exactly how much speed was lost. Maybe the Post or RTV has done this.
However, I'd like to see the GPS evidence or even video-frame timing showing exactly how much speed was lost. Maybe the Post or RTV has done this.
if jocks think 28 days is to harsh for brobbing punters in plain sight,they should have come out and protested when the new length of bans came in,of coure they wouldnt becaue punters wouldnt bat an eye if they got 3 months +,so would look like the compete morons they are in eyes of the people funding their living
Be pretty amusing if he got something for using the stick when clear. Seems to be trying to prove a point lol
Rossa Ryan's 28-day ban for easing up Sandown mount reduced on appeal - with jockey now free to ride at York's Ebor meeting
The panel did not accept that Thunder Home would inevitably have won if Ryan had pushed out continuously
Rossa Ryan sealed his first Royal Ascot winner of the week
Rossa Ryan: has had his 28-day ban reduced on appeal
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Rossa Ryan will be free to ride at York's Ebor meeting after his 28-day suspension for premature easing at Sandown last month was reduced to ten days at an appeal on Tuesday morning.
The panel decided it was not convinced Thunder Home would necessarily have won if Ryan had continued to ride him out, and would say only that the two-year-old could have won, a crucial distinction which leads to a lesser penalty under the rules.
Ryan had spent much of the three-hour hearing trying to convince the panel that he had not breached the rules at all and should suffer no penalty. "I have never stopped riding my mount," he insisted, an argument that was not accepted.
Ryan's ban is due to begin on August 6 and will now finish comfortably before the Ebor meeting starts 13 days later.
The Arc-winning jockey sought to put the ride in context, telling the panel: "He's an inexperienced two-year-old. I've probably put my horse and all the rest under pressure from a good way out, because of my modest fractions early on."
Watching a replay of the final furlong, he added: "I'm very conscious that this is where I could hit a brick wall. I put my stick down because the horse has given me everything, he's worked incredibly hard.
"With a two-year-old, the biggest thing is about teaching them to become a racehorse. He seems like an honest lad, he's given me everything. I'm still going forward and pushing."
However, Ryan and the BHA's Catherine Daly clashed at length about how to interpret his actions in the final 100 yards. She insisted he "thought it was in the bag" and pointed to words used by Ryan at the raceday inquiry, where he described "that one stride where I've thought about, I had the race won".
The 26-year-old had also told the stewards: "I expected this horse to coast to the line, not a problem" and "there's nobody on this earth who is going to get me".
Rossa Ryan goes clear on Thunder Home (blue and yellow silks) before being caught after easing up
Thunder Home: caught on the line at Goodwood
Credit: Alan Crowhurst (Getty Images)
But Ryan responded: "Me thinking and me doing are two different things. I may have thought it, but I still pushed my mount out to the line."
He maintained that he had to adjust his weight in the saddle in response to what he was feeling from his tiring mount, saying: "I'm adjusting to keep in rhythm with my horse. When a horse is slowing down, you can't push him any faster than he can go."
He pointed to Thunder Home changing his leading leg as he sensed the approach of Zero Error, who won by a nose. Ryan said that change enabled him to extend with his horse in the final strides, but to no avail.
O'Mahony ruled: "On the balance of probabilities, we prefer the BHA's account and we conclude it is the correct account. That is indicated to us by what we've seen of the video footage, further by what was said in the stewards' inquiry and by what was said today."
At that point in the delivery of the verdict, it appeared Ryan was set to miss a month's racing. But then came a surprise late reprieve in the form of the panel's assessment of the race finish.
If the panel didn't think Rossa would have inevitably won(bar the easing down) they should have ZERO involvement with horse racing from this point onwards.
The panel did not accept that Thunder Home would inevitably have won if Ryan had pushed out continuously
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Rossa Ryan will be free to ride at York's Ebor meeting after his 28-day suspension for premature easing at Sandown last month was reduced to ten days at an appeal on Tuesday morning.
The panel decided it was not convinced Thunder Home would necessarily have won if Ryan had continued to ride him out, and would say only that the two-year-old could have won, a crucial distinction which leads to a lesser penalty under the rules.
Ryan had spent much of the three-hour hearing trying to convince the panel that he had not breached the rules at all and should suffer no penalty. "I have never stopped riding my mount," he insisted, an argument that was not accepted.
Ryan's ban is due to begin on August 6 and will now finish comfortably before the Ebor meeting starts 13 days later.
The Arc-winning jockey sought to put the ride in context, telling the panel: "He's an inexperienced two-year-old. I've probably put my horse and all the rest under pressure from a good way out, because of my modest fractions early on."
Watching a replay of the final furlong, he added: "I'm very conscious that this is where I could hit a brick wall. I put my stick down because the horse has given me everything, he's worked incredibly hard.
"With a two-year-old, the biggest thing is about teaching them to become a racehorse. He seems like an honest lad, he's given me everything. I'm still going forward and pushing."
However, Ryan and the BHA's Catherine Daly clashed at length about how to interpret his actions in the final 100 yards. She insisted he "thought it was in the bag" and pointed to words used by Ryan at the raceday inquiry, where he described "that one stride where I've thought about, I had the race won".
The 26-year-old had also told the stewards: "I expected this horse to coast to the line, not a problem" and "there's nobody on this earth who is going to get me".
Rossa Ryan goes clear on Thunder Home (blue and yellow silks) before being caught after easing up
Thunder Home: caught on the line at Goodwood
Credit: Alan Crowhurst (Getty Images)
But Ryan responded: "Me thinking and me doing are two different things. I may have thought it, but I still pushed my mount out to the line."
He maintained that he had to adjust his weight in the saddle in response to what he was feeling from his tiring mount, saying: "I'm adjusting to keep in rhythm with my horse. When a horse is slowing down, you can't push him any faster than he can go."
He pointed to Thunder Home changing his leading leg as he sensed the approach of Zero Error, who won by a nose. Ryan said that change enabled him to extend with his horse in the final strides, but to no avail.
O'Mahony ruled: "On the balance of probabilities, we prefer the BHA's account and we conclude it is the correct account. That is indicated to us by what we've seen of the video footage, further by what was said in the stewards' inquiry and by what was said today."
At that point in the delivery of the verdict, it appeared Ryan was set to miss a month's racing. But then came a surprise late reprieve in the form of the panel's assessment of the race finish.
If the panel didn't think Rossa would have inevitably won(bar the easing down) they should have ZERO involvement with horse racing from this point onwards.
Lying is accepted nowadays as normal behaviour. Of course, it only encourages even more lying.
As the winning distance was a nose, the appeals panel are in effect are saying that difference the easing down made was less than a nose. Anyone know which people make up the appeals panel?
They had to be confident that it would have.
Unless you are Stevie Wonder it certainly would have.
A lucky lad
Unless you are Stevie Wonder it certainly would have.
A lucky lad
Is anyone surprised any more when these panels overturn / reduce penalties?
It's pretty much what they do.
A while back there was an excellent piece in the RP highlight that something like 72% of appeals were successful to some extent, and whilst that might have been for cases of interference, I'd be surprised if it's any different when the appeal is for other stewarding decisions.
It's pretty much what they do.
A while back there was an excellent piece in the RP highlight that something like 72% of appeals were successful to some extent, and whilst that might have been for cases of interference, I'd be surprised if it's any different when the appeal is for other stewarding decisions.
Coolmore trying to claim an accomplished jockey couldn't ride straight due to children on the inside of the track.
However, that doesn't even match this peak bullshiiit.
He maintained that he had to adjust his weight in the saddle in response to what he was feeling from his tiring mount, saying: "I'm adjusting to keep in rhythm with my horse. When a horse is slowing down, you can't push him any faster than he can go."
There's an underlying trend where the types who put themselves in places of judgement, have to be seen to believe whatever people say in their testimony, no matter how far fetched or absurd it is. As I alluded to, it only encourages future people going through such judgements to make even more unlikely fairy stories.
However, that doesn't even match this peak bullshiiit.
He maintained that he had to adjust his weight in the saddle in response to what he was feeling from his tiring mount, saying: "I'm adjusting to keep in rhythm with my horse. When a horse is slowing down, you can't push him any faster than he can go."
There's an underlying trend where the types who put themselves in places of judgement, have to be seen to believe whatever people say in their testimony, no matter how far fetched or absurd it is. As I alluded to, it only encourages future people going through such judgements to make even more unlikely fairy stories.
A lesser jockey would have had zero chance in the Appeal
any jock who thinks himself world class should be affronted that a panel of auld duffers wernt certain he,d have won that race,not out celebrating the fact
https://judicialpanel.britishhorseracing.com/the-disciplinary-panel-members/
These are the panel members. HHJ O'Mahoney presided. In earlier reports he said that one of the members had ridden in lots of races so I assume that was Chester Williams. I will post the full judgement when it is available. Normally about a week or so.
These are the panel members. HHJ O'Mahoney presided. In earlier reports he said that one of the members had ridden in lots of races so I assume that was Chester Williams. I will post the full judgement when it is available. Normally about a week or so.
rossa thinking the horse had done enough and him stopping riding didnt effect the results, is the best evidence anyones put forward to getting rid of the whip,just surprised its a world class jockey,presenting it on behalf of uk jocks
You wouldn't want to sit on some of them without a whip,1st Timer
You could do with a holiday! 
Spend some of your riches!
Spend some of your riches!
Being stupid enough to ride for 1500-odd yards, but giving up with 20-odd to go, 28 days sounds harsh compared to other 'bad/iffy' losing rides, but they are the rules. He should've had it doubled for lying.
I do think he made a genuine mistake.People who backed the horse won't
agree but 28 days was a bit excessive to me,however 14 days would've
been more than fair,not 10 days.
agree but 28 days was a bit excessive to me,however 14 days would've
been more than fair,not 10 days.
The entry point for losing a race you should have won is 28 days,penzance
Yes, as I said at the time. Arguing that the fixed penalty allows for no discretion, that's perfectly fine. He got the same as Cosgrave who was showboating on Concorde for the whole race, pulling up at the line on a horse with 2 stone in hand.
But obviously, the rules can't be changed retrospectively. Perhaps he feels so hard done by that lying through his face is legitimate.
But obviously, the rules can't be changed retrospectively. Perhaps he feels so hard done by that lying through his face is legitimate.
alls good then,but they might as well change the mandatory ban to 10 days now,because 90% of cases going forward will be less or imilar to rossa, and everyone going to appeal 28 day,you,ll only get 28 days if they can prove you STOPPED one for money/betting purposes and if they can prove that you should get 12 months minimum
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