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16 Jun 26
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I was at Ascot today and had a bundle on Bow Echo ante-post. Watching live you could see the dirty tactics from those 'see you next Tuesdays'.... I truly hate O'Brien and he always plays dirty. He is no Sir Henry Cecil and I hope the sheep wake up to the trainer that he really is!!
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Fair play for your voice and recollection of what you saw today.
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For once Newmarket Sausage is correct.
Naturally,Delbert failed to see the deliberate infringements by Coolmoore in the race |
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An enquiry was held to consider interference shortly after the start involving GSTAAD, placed second, ridden by Ryan Moore; the winner, BOW ECHO (IRE), ridden by Billy Loughnane; TALK OF NEW YORK, placed third, ridden by William Buick; and POWER BLUE (IRE), placed fourth, ridden by David Egan. Moore was suspended for 3 days for careless riding for allowing his mount to edge left-handed without correction causing BOW ECHO (IRE) and TALK OF NEW YORK and PUERTO RICO (IRE) to become short of room for a number of strides when awkwardly placed between GSTAAD and POWER BLUE (IRE) on the far outside.
An enquiry was held to consider whether C Soumillon, the rider of PUERTO RICO (IRE), unplaced, rode in a manner to benefit GSTAAD, placed second, ridden by Ryan Moore, and in doing so caused minimal interference to POWER BLUE (IRE), placed fourth, ridden by David Egan. Soumillon, Moore and Egan were interviewed and shown recordings of the incident, and Aidan O’Brien, the trainer of PUERTO RICO (IRE) and GSTAAD, was interviewed via telephone. Soumillon was suspended for 8 days for riding his mount in such a way that intended to give an advantage to another horse from the same stable, in that he moved his mount away from the rail thereby ensuring a clear run for GSTAAD on his inside. |
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I'm sure Ed and the team will give it a full discussion today.
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Lets be logical here and not bet on it Mr. Spock.
'Insufficient facts always invite danger' 'while technically possible it is highly illogical' |
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Tongue was firmly in cheek.....
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They said as much as they dared to.
Coolmore are absolutely vile in their conduct and are highly unlikely to change unless Draconian punishment is handed out (1,000,000/1} |
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Soumillon should have got a month then maybe when AOB allegedly asks him to do something similar in future he'll give them the finger.
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Stewards' action long overdue. I've long feared AOB tactics could cause an accident with possible serious injury to horse and rider. What kind of penalty would be appropriate then?
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Thank goodness that Bow Echo won as the chances of Gstaad getting disqualified would have been unlikely at best.
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Was the penalty for Soumillon moving off the rail or colliding with the Amo horse?
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moving off rail
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Yes,brandy and in so doing making a gap for Gstaad to take whilst hampering the opposition.
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Just watched again, clearly looks behind to see where Moore is and opens up the gap. Moore also banned for trying to box in Bow Echo from the start.
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A truly rancid operation,Spocko.
The only reason that I did not back the winner was the fear of "Team Tactics" and they threw the lot at it yesterday |
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AOB has only one master. The one who employs him to keep the gravy train rolling at any cost.
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its all easy when AOB hasn't won the race bit if Moore had got up on the line would they have
a, even looked at the start , [ no chance ] b, diq, Moore for either of the offences they were thought to have committed [ no chance ] will AOB now top these team tacticsin case they result in them losing a race in the stewards room ? |
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I was waiting for Gstaad to be declared a Non Runner.
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Similar tactics are on display at every Cheltenham Festival for all to see.
Multiple runners from certain stables that get in the way of who ever needs to be got in the way of. |
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OK - this is a casual side issue, but it's made me think about the Shergar Cup and the Racing League. To quote Richard Russell in the RP today. "Tactics play a part in every race in Britain and Ireland, but the team tactics we witnessed when Puerto Rico manufactured a gap for Gstaad, have absolutely no part in our sport.."
So if this happened in either of those two events, say to secure points needed to win the wider competition, then sanctions would follow. In which case one has to ask, what is the point of the wider competition? The obvious conclusion that bears repeating, every time these abhorrations come round again; Horse Racing IS NOT a team sport. And the usual argument that it provides a bit of variety and different interest, simply falls apart. |
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Didn't see the race live but caught up with it after the discussion about it. It did have a whiff of the Shergar Cup type races about it and the penalties appear lenient at best. Not in any way subtle either. Disappointing and depressing in equal measure.
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Think penalties are long overdue for this pre planned scenario. Also why is there no penalties for jockeys who 'get a shout' in races everyday and move out of the way to let their mate go by. What about 'best possible placing' in this scenario when a jockey has clearly compromised the 'best possible position' of his own horse?
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Why do we persevere with backing GB trained horses? Yes there were three wins yesterday with Bow Echo at 5/6, a 50/1 outsider and a nice handicap for Alan King but from how many runners? The O'Briens have plenty as well but 5 winners from 9 races is extaordinary.
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As far as the St James Palace is concerned, the penalties were for deliberate interference with other horses as much as opening a gap along the rail. Soumillon deliberately carried the winner and third wide as well as opening up the rail. The Shergar Cup has not led to deliberate obstruction so far as I can recall.
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racings apologist booby walsh said Puerto Rico,s winning chance weren't effected ,but if it was trained by gosden and souey let the winner up the inside like that,booby would have ripped him to shreds,even a moron like chamberlian wasnt having it
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It's taken the stews years to finally take action on the team tactics that have occured time and
time again. When they tried it on at the Melbourne Cup, having all 3 runners on the front stacking up the field, they were lucky to get out of Australia alive! You can't blame them for employing these tactics as long as the authorities turn a blind eye. In Hong Kong or Oz, Soumi would have been banned for months not days. |
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As would Moore,rog.
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their not bothered 2 champions jocks fined.suspended for basically trying to cheat punters, ashamed, nah just a shrug of the shoulders , so what
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I know I'm late for this. Any mention of it on tv and the journos and pundits? I hope, in the future, the BHA would throw the book at AOB and disqualify his entire team or battalion of runners. It's cheating - the most despicable in any sport. It's also unsporting.
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Most have criticised the blatant tactics,Implausible
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has kevin blake mentioned it today, all ive seen of him messing about with strides etc
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If someone at the racecourse or winner's enclosure calls out "you're a cheat" AOB, Moore or Soumillon then this can only be a deterrent for the 3 individuals concerned. Name and shame is effective and necessary in the King Of Sport, I firmly believe.
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Pointless as they would laugh at you before you were ejected.
Only the Authorities can try to stop it |
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Really pleased with this thread personally i would have trebled the bans at least sick of this cheating and putting horses and jockeys at risk, hate the idea of pacemakers full stop.
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love pacemakers. produced 1 of the greatst races of all time Grundy V Bustino.
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But,geoff,they were there to set the pace and not to deliberately hamper other rivals
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What Moore did at the start was deliberate and unforgiveable for a senior jockey. It was downright offensive professionally, and clearly unsporting; Soumillon (the accomplice) received a hefty sentence than Moore.
I think the penalty dished out was extremely lenient esp on AOB, and Moore. I think it ought to be reviewed, and the perpetrators called before the Jockey Club in High Holborn. |
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Penalties are imposed within the Rules not what they would like to do.
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When they are used as pacemakers i.e POW truly run providing a great race with the best horses coming to the fore.
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