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more are below when 2% comm applied
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Just out of interest, have you ranked them all of profitability using these approaches? Many above him?
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haven't ranked them as too many problems comparing jockeys what with jockey claim situation, usually too small sample sizes etc
but approx 1/3 of all jockeys have figures as good as that or better |
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that's on either win or pl metric individually
some don't tally (eg +ve & +ve or -ve & -ve) can be due to variance etc not a big enough sample, default riding style is another big factor but positive roi in win & pl markets after near 10k rides w/o claim & esp after comm applied...beyond doubt he's top jockey hope useful to you |
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*some don't tally (eg +ve win & -ve pl or -ve win & +ve pl) sorry
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Ok ta.
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OM is on the fav in the last race at Salisbury. I'd better get on, TYIA, theflyget
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Thanks again!
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All the people bumming him up how about putting your bets up - pre race - on here, and we can all see how profitable, or otherwise he is to follow? Not going to happen is it? He rides too many losers, too many short ones, and it's impossible to dodge them all.
The sport is in really bad shape - too many ordinary jocks, too many ordinary horses, and too many bookmaker races. That's what is on the menu day in day out. These days it's far too easy to find something better to do. I will dip in to Royal Ascot (most should at least be trying), but other than that quite happy to watch the cricket, football, tennis, and athletics instead. The product has shot itself in the foot. You could halve the number of meetings, and it would still be too many. |
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Was at Carlisle yesterday, the ordinary jockeys and the ordinary horses, produced a great day's racing imo others of course, may think differently. Everyone there yesterday certainly looked like they were enjoying themselves in the sunshine.
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DD,no sane person is recommending backing anybody blindly.
As I have already said,if he is on one I fancy I am happy enough if the price is right |
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And I'm not saying that.
If you are that confident that he is that good just put up your selected bets and see what happens. Clearly nobody is that confident. The Dealer, if you like watching mediocre rubbish that's your choice. What was the crowd, and what would it have been if it wasn't sunny? |
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I didn't have time to count the crowd or ask everyone if they were here purely for the weather but I've been there plenty times in the past when cold and wet and the crowd in my opinion holds up well there.
I bet there were more happy and entertained at Carlisle on Monday than Epsom Saturday, regardless of the jockeys or the class of horse. Grade 5/6 may be rubbish to you but going racing regularly,l it certainly isn't rubbish to everyone. Only my opinion and what I've seen, each to there own |
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Meanwhile back to the original question, yes I would have Murphy over any other British jockey, when you hear him speak about his rides he seems a mine of information and connections must love having someone of his ability giving his thoughts after the race.
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Totally agree Glasgow.
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100% GC
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What he says to an owner is not much use to 99.99% of people, particularly punters. Don't owners have a forum?
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I'd actually be amazed he is not overbet given the amount that show fanship for him, even in this forum sample.
As you said he is a losing punt (with commission) and his level stakes is a minus figure, and there is a large % who has as good or better overall returns. Not overbet? |
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As you said he is a losing punt (with commission)
re-read what I have posted |
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But your figures did state this?
approx 1/3 of all jockeys have figures as good as that or better |
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I'm wondering where the fanclubs are for those 1/3 of jockeys...
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Stu,you are free to believe what you wish to as are others so there is little point in trying to prove personal views
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stu • June 10, 2026 1:13 PM BST
As you said he is a losing punt (with commission) wondersobright • June 9, 2026 4:31 PM BST oisin is still profitable in win & pl markets after 2% comm |
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I'm actually posting facts not 'beliefs' (if wonders statement above is correct)
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Fair enough if true over a period wonders - but 1/3 also do that?
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Presuming you mean at BSP for that figure wonders?
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is true approx 1/3 of jockeys have a better roi but few have the same it over the volume of rides oisin has done it over
so you can be substantially more confident in oisin's numbers than you can jockeys with fewer rides |
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remember in some of the 1/3, because of small sample sizes, randomness has played a part in them being profitable
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whereas for oisin it's a negligible factor after near 10k rides
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Out of interest who is absolute 1st place of the jockey lists on your measures wonders, the true winner?
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remember in some of the 1/3, because of small sample sizes
Agree sample size could be a factor, but most regular jocks (not amateur/claimers etc) would have a big enough sample? |
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usually want min 1000 rides w/o a claim to have a firm idea...rules out a lot of jockeys
you just learn to be careful with small samples |
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William Carson is another good listen Glasgow tbh,explains about the moderate horses he rides,Paddy Bradley is another…
Blue eyed boys just like to say the boss likes him he should get further…..PJ McDonald another good talker ….horsemen. Murphy is 7lb in front of most imv….. |
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carson a long term avoid on the figs
bradley indifferent PJ ok but he's old tho |
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Meant UK flat really wonders?
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does depend on what you value most but prob hart
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Too many point and shoot compared to horsemen……
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Thanks wonders - interesting one!
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