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06 May 26
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Very hard to believe Moore is on the wrong one again. Is Proposition having a dress rehearsal for pacemaker duties in the Derby? I thought he actually looked quite promising at 2, but cheekpieces don't look a positive step. He has the pedigree, but then they all do.
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They slapped them on Hawk Mountain the other day, they’re going on everything, funny how quick they whip them off! after the race 
prob the without fav market is the way to go but i am a greedy b,stard and will have a couple of win bets as well . there is a line with hawk mountain that gives mr vettori a chance with the fav its a flimsey line and the fav has to give 4 pound to the field but nethertheless i have to go with jessies horse at the prices ,we are dealing with a long odds on fav so it would be wise to also play in the w/o fav as well .
I think the jolly backers will be safe. I've cashout on the jolly for The Derby.
I am not sure what I saw. 3rd being so close is a worry, however it was a muddling race.
An end to end gallop,a fast time and some found it muddling
What does it say about UK trainers when arguably the second most important Derby trial is won by a 2-9 shot ahead of four modest others?
Two non runners unfortunately, the French trials have all been tiny fields this year.
I hope Benvenuto Cellini runs and wins at Epsom next month. Either he or Pierre Bonnard will do for a collection.
As I suspected, Proposition just sacrificed - the market knew - and the others so bad only the favourite could get past.
Muddling.... so people expected the runner up to go like that from the gun, the 3rd not to break despite looking like it would 3 furlongs out, the 4th to be slowly away and basically not make any ground up, fair play
to those who did.
to those who did.
To clear the go off like that, doubt he was supposed to go so far clear.
I don’t like this for the Derby was due (if we can believe them) to run in the trial at Epsom, do they have their doubts about acting at the track there?
Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s shuffled things to confuse punters who might automatically look to the Chester Vase winner for the Derby winner!
He’s priced now @ 2/1 Fav as if to emphasise this.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s shuffled things to confuse punters who might automatically look to the Chester Vase winner for the Derby winner!
He’s priced now @ 2/1 Fav as if to emphasise this.
i think winner will take the beating in the derby..won well today.
Get on, I can pass up at those odds, pacemaker staying in for second, he’s beat crud.
Compare how both trials were ran, both highly contrasting and had pacemakers. Ran to benefit the strengths of both their runners.
In the oaks trial , “Led at steady pace, soon pestered…” used her turn of foot
In the Vase pacemaker , “Led, soon went clear…” (should say by many lengths) they made it a pure stamina test.
Time was fast but how many years have we had this quick ground at Chester?
He’s a stayer for sure but is he more than that?
In the oaks trial , “Led at steady pace, soon pestered…” used her turn of foot
In the Vase pacemaker , “Led, soon went clear…” (should say by many lengths) they made it a pure stamina test.
Time was fast but how many years have we had this quick ground at Chester?
He’s a stayer for sure but is he more than that?
Well we know you watch the footy from out of your living room window
I thought it was a satisfactory performance from Benvenuto Cellini given his supposedly main adversary had done a runner, and his stablemate doing the donkey work. Whether it warranted a massive contraction in his Epsom price as always was debatable.
If Pierre Bonnard recaptures his 2 yr old form in his next prep outing for Epsom I think the market will flip-flop again in his favour. I think only he or Benvenuto Cellini will show at Epsom.
If Pierre Bonnard recaptures his 2 yr old form in his next prep outing for Epsom I think the market will flip-flop again in his favour. I think only he or Benvenuto Cellini will show at Epsom.
Interesting that you think that he’ll only line up one Impossible.
I watched back the Ballysax stakes and suggest people have a listen to the interview at the end.
In it he says that the Winner Christmas Day was due to run in the Group 1 in France but got sick.
So he sent Bonnard, who was then made fav for the Derby cos of winning that even though he wasn’t the first choice, if we believe what he says.
Cellini moved to favouritism because of Bonnard flopping on reappearance. (He also mentioned that he was on the slow ground because Moore went inside with Italy (whose form isn’t looking so bad now.)
Chris Hayes who rode him said that he’ll stay 10f no problem so it was surprise to see him entered at Lingfield 1m 3 1/2f now withdrawn.
Should either of been favourite or are we having a replay of last year with TLIW and Delacroix?
Is there a Lambourn in the ranks still?
I watched back the Ballysax stakes and suggest people have a listen to the interview at the end.
In it he says that the Winner Christmas Day was due to run in the Group 1 in France but got sick.
So he sent Bonnard, who was then made fav for the Derby cos of winning that even though he wasn’t the first choice, if we believe what he says.
Cellini moved to favouritism because of Bonnard flopping on reappearance. (He also mentioned that he was on the slow ground because Moore went inside with Italy (whose form isn’t looking so bad now.)
Chris Hayes who rode him said that he’ll stay 10f no problem so it was surprise to see him entered at Lingfield 1m 3 1/2f now withdrawn.
Should either of been favourite or are we having a replay of last year with TLIW and Delacroix?
Is there a Lambourn in the ranks still?
Listening to AOB can only be dangerous to your wealth as is the case with most Trainers.
I was just relaying what he said, it’s not that I believe every word and wait for it.
Last year I heard him when slipped up regarding TLIW after the Dante.
Looking at the formlines for Endorsement he’s been beaten similar distances by both the colts mentioned, does he have two derby winners in the stable this year?
Last year I heard him when slipped up regarding TLIW after the Dante.
Looking at the formlines for Endorsement he’s been beaten similar distances by both the colts mentioned, does he have two derby winners in the stable this year?
Moore is not fully committed to any for Epsom yet. I think he'd be waiting for Pierre Bonnard to redeem himself on sunday at Punchestown prior.
I was taken with the performance of Constitution River.
I was taken with the performance of Constitution River.
Thanks I thought his body language in the race (looking back) and his interview was telling after.
He’s a short head away from being unbeaten and surely has been named to be the flat Constitution equivalent?
It’s named after a river on Barbados, they like naming their good ones after places there, St Nicolas Abbey.
He’s a short head away from being unbeaten and surely has been named to be the flat Constitution equivalent?
It’s named after a river on Barbados, they like naming their good ones after places there, St Nicolas Abbey.
Delashay • May 7, 2026 5:39 PM BST
Thanks I thought his body language in the race (looking back) and his interview was telling after.
He’s a short head away from being unbeaten and surely has been named to be the flat Constitution equivalent?
It’s named after a river on Barbados, they like naming their good ones after places there, St Nicolas Abbey.
Thanks I thought his body language in the race (looking back) and his interview was telling after.
He’s a short head away from being unbeaten and surely has been named to be the flat Constitution equivalent?
It’s named after a river on Barbados, they like naming their good ones after places there, St Nicolas Abbey.
…. “plus Ryan Moore's reaction suggests Chester winner is a star.”
Tom Segal
Tipster
13 May 2026
Tom Segal
Tipster
13 May 2026
Having just seen that Seagal has just picked up on that and written an article today I thought it super confirmation of what I’d observed on the day of the race! 
Thanks
Thanks
Delbert cannot post a single bet that he has had on BF since joining and accuses others of being thick.
The irony
The irony
Delashay • May 7, 2026 1:21 PM BST
Interesting that you think that he’ll only line up one Impossible.
I watched back the Ballysax stakes and suggest people have a listen to the interview at the end.
In it he says that the Winner Christmas Day was due to run in the Group 1 in France but got sick.
So he sent Bonnard, who was then made fav for the Derby cos of winning that even though he wasn’t the first choice, if we believe what he says.
Cellini moved to favouritism because of Bonnard flopping on reappearance. (He also mentioned that he was on the slow ground because Moore went inside with Italy (whose form isn’t looking so bad now.)
Chris Hayes who rode him said that he’ll stay 10f no problem so it was surprise to see him entered at Lingfield 1m 3 1/2f now withdrawn.
Should either of been favourite or are we having a replay of last year with TLIW and Delacroix?
Is there a Lambourn in the ranks still?
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I smelt the rat early.
Interesting that you think that he’ll only line up one Impossible.
I watched back the Ballysax stakes and suggest people have a listen to the interview at the end.
In it he says that the Winner Christmas Day was due to run in the Group 1 in France but got sick.
So he sent Bonnard, who was then made fav for the Derby cos of winning that even though he wasn’t the first choice, if we believe what he says.
Cellini moved to favouritism because of Bonnard flopping on reappearance. (He also mentioned that he was on the slow ground because Moore went inside with Italy (whose form isn’t looking so bad now.)
Chris Hayes who rode him said that he’ll stay 10f no problem so it was surprise to see him entered at Lingfield 1m 3 1/2f now withdrawn.
Should either of been favourite or are we having a replay of last year with TLIW and Delacroix?
Is there a Lambourn in the ranks still?
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I smelt the rat early.
Delashay 06 May 26 15:32
I don’t like this for the Derby was due (if we can believe them) to run in the trial at Epsom, do they have their doubts about acting at the track there?
Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s shuffled things to confuse punters who might automatically look to the Chester Vase winner for the Derby winner!
He’s priced now @ 2/1 Fav as if to emphasise this.
Rico-Dangleflaps 06 May 26 15:37
i think winner will take the beating in the derby..won well today.
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Where was your confidence before the consolation derby?
And next time take more than 5 minutes before you read something and write it off.
I don’t like this for the Derby was due (if we can believe them) to run in the trial at Epsom, do they have their doubts about acting at the track there?
Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s shuffled things to confuse punters who might automatically look to the Chester Vase winner for the Derby winner!
He’s priced now @ 2/1 Fav as if to emphasise this.
Rico-Dangleflaps 06 May 26 15:37
i think winner will take the beating in the derby..won well today.
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Where was your confidence before the consolation derby?
And next time take more than 5 minutes before you read something and write it off.
3 bumps without reply!
It’s a shame that you backed him for the wrong Derby and couldn’t spare 5 minutes more!
It’s a shame that you backed him for the wrong Derby and couldn’t spare 5 minutes more!
Rico-Dangleflaps 06 May 26 15:37
i think winner will take the beating in the derby
7 without reply!
OUCH!
Backed it for the wrong race and got a worse price in Ireland!
i think winner will take the beating in the derby
7 without reply!
OUCH!
Backed it for the wrong race and got a worse price in Ireland!
In baseball it’s 3 strikes and you’re OUT!
8 without reply!
8 without reply!
How much you have on for Epsom to dedicate a thread and other clown lists to me?
Hugo-Hackenbush • July 15, 2026 3:49 PM BST
dellawoffle..the forums greatest woffler..jack of all trades master of 1.
Aftertiming.
dellawoffle..the forums greatest woffler..jack of all trades master of 1.
Aftertiming.
prescient/ˈprɛsiənt/Prescient (adjective)
means having or showing knowledge of events before they take place. It is the ability to foresee how things will unfold, often demonstrating keen insight, good judgment, or intuition
means having or showing knowledge of events before they take place. It is the ability to foresee how things will unfold, often demonstrating keen insight, good judgment, or intuition
Bullshatter/Delbert; Which means trying to impress others with your supposed knowledge
Still no sign of the OP!
But his spokesperson filling in!
But his spokesperson filling in!
Hardly surprising as most posters know that trying to debate with an Autistic loon is both fruitless and pointless
Do you still think that the Curragh 12F is stiffer than Epsom
Delashay 06 May 26 15:32
I don’t like this for the Derby was due (if we can believe them) to run in the trial at Epsom, do they have their doubts about acting at the track there?
Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s shuffled things to confuse punters who might automatically look to the Chester Vase winner for the Derby winner!
He’s priced now @ 2/1 Fav as if to emphasise this.
Rico-Dangleflaps 06 May 26 15:37
i think winner will take the beating in the derby..won well today.
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Let the OP reply why I’m king of the Aftertimers with my own thread and mock up movie poster!
I don’t like this for the Derby was due (if we can believe them) to run in the trial at Epsom, do they have their doubts about acting at the track there?
Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s shuffled things to confuse punters who might automatically look to the Chester Vase winner for the Derby winner!
He’s priced now @ 2/1 Fav as if to emphasise this.
Rico-Dangleflaps 06 May 26 15:37
i think winner will take the beating in the derby..won well today.
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Let the OP reply why I’m king of the Aftertimers with my own thread and mock up movie poster!
No answer then?
Nobody likes a Billy Big Gonads prentendee poster,Delbert
Nobody likes a Billy Big Gonads prentendee poster,Delbert
It’s a shame that you backed him for the wrong Derby and couldn’t spare 5 minutes more!
Will Ben run in the King George this weekend? AOB / Coolmore has entered a battalion of 5 with Ben and Minnie Hauk, the two most fancied; Graffard has Calandagan and Goliath.
It’s the same game again Impossible as we’ve seen before, Ben has been backed and Minnie a big drifter.
I’ve no doubt that the, “Big old boat.” Line is waiting to be rammed down my throat, but the FACT remains he wasn’t an Epsom horse, never was.
I’ve no doubt that the, “Big old boat.” Line is waiting to be rammed down my throat, but the FACT remains he wasn’t an Epsom horse, never was.
I’d asked after the Irish Derby if the 5/1 on offer made any appeal for Ascots Summer Show piece.
NO ONE gave an opinion on that!
NO ONE gave an opinion on that!
I think most punters are fed-up with the shenanigans of AOB / Coolmore. I think most punters do not give a hoot if AOB / Coolmore organise a horseracing programme of their own. Then at least punters can actually bet without their usual match-fixing, team tactics and denials.
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