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06 May 26
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Very hard to believe Moore is on the wrong one again. Is Proposition having a dress rehearsal for pacemaker duties in the Derby? I thought he actually looked quite promising at 2, but cheekpieces don't look a positive step. He has the pedigree, but then they all do.
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They slapped them on Hawk Mountain the other day, they’re going on everything, funny how quick they whip them off! after the race
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prob the without fav market is the way to go but i am a greedy b,stard and will have a couple of win bets as well . there is a line with hawk mountain that gives mr vettori a chance with the fav its a flimsey line and the fav has to give 4 pound to the field but nethertheless i have to go with jessies horse at the prices ,we are dealing with a long odds on fav so it would be wise to also play in the w/o fav as well .
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I think the jolly backers will be safe. I've cashout on the jolly for The Derby.
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Big balls 123....
Must be hungry |
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I am not sure what I saw. 3rd being so close is a worry, however it was a muddling race.
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how was it muddling?
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An end to end gallop,a fast time and some found it muddling
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What does it say about UK trainers when arguably the second most important Derby trial is won by a 2-9 shot ahead of four modest others?
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Two non runners unfortunately, the French trials have all been tiny fields this year.
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I hope Benvenuto Cellini runs and wins at Epsom next month. Either he or Pierre Bonnard will do for a collection.
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As I suspected, Proposition just sacrificed - the market knew - and the others so bad only the favourite could get past.
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Muddling.... so people expected the runner up to go like that from the gun, the 3rd not to break despite looking like it would 3 furlongs out, the 4th to be slowly away and basically not make any ground up, fair play
to those who did. |
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To clear the go off like that, doubt he was supposed to go so far clear.
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I don’t like this for the Derby was due (if we can believe them) to run in the trial at Epsom, do they have their doubts about acting at the track there?
Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s shuffled things to confuse punters who might automatically look to the Chester Vase winner for the Derby winner! He’s priced now @ 2/1 Fav as if to emphasise this. |
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i think winner will take the beating in the derby..won well today.
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Get on, I can pass up at those odds, pacemaker staying in for second, he’s beat crud.
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Compare how both trials were ran, both highly contrasting and had pacemakers. Ran to benefit the strengths of both their runners.
In the oaks trial , “Led at steady pace, soon pestered…” used her turn of foot In the Vase pacemaker , “Led, soon went clear…” (should say by many lengths) they made it a pure stamina test. Time was fast but how many years have we had this quick ground at Chester? He’s a stayer for sure but is he more than that? |
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lay it..post the lay.
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Delbert has more chance of laying an egg than a bet
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wonder if he ever goes outside..
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Well we know you watch the footy from out of your living room window
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I thought it was a satisfactory performance from Benvenuto Cellini given his supposedly main adversary had done a runner, and his stablemate doing the donkey work. Whether it warranted a massive contraction in his Epsom price as always was debatable.
If Pierre Bonnard recaptures his 2 yr old form in his next prep outing for Epsom I think the market will flip-flop again in his favour. I think only he or Benvenuto Cellini will show at Epsom. |
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Interesting that you think that he’ll only line up one Impossible.
I watched back the Ballysax stakes and suggest people have a listen to the interview at the end. In it he says that the Winner Christmas Day was due to run in the Group 1 in France but got sick. So he sent Bonnard, who was then made fav for the Derby cos of winning that even though he wasn’t the first choice, if we believe what he says. Cellini moved to favouritism because of Bonnard flopping on reappearance. (He also mentioned that he was on the slow ground because Moore went inside with Italy (whose form isn’t looking so bad now.) Chris Hayes who rode him said that he’ll stay 10f no problem so it was surprise to see him entered at Lingfield 1m 3 1/2f now withdrawn. Should either of been favourite or are we having a replay of last year with TLIW and Delacroix? Is there a Lambourn in the ranks still? |
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Listening to AOB can only be dangerous to your wealth as is the case with most Trainers.
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I was just relaying what he said, it’s not that I believe every word and wait for it.
Last year I heard him when slipped up regarding TLIW after the Dante. Looking at the formlines for Endorsement he’s been beaten similar distances by both the colts mentioned, does he have two derby winners in the stable this year?  |
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Any thoughts from anyone on the colts from these trials?
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Moore is not fully committed to any for Epsom yet. I think he'd be waiting for Pierre Bonnard to redeem himself on sunday at Punchestown prior.
I was taken with the performance of Constitution River. |
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Moore will ride whatever he is told to.
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Thanks I thought his body language in the race (looking back) and his interview was telling after.
He’s a short head away from being unbeaten and surely has been named to be the flat Constitution equivalent? It’s named after a river on Barbados, they like naming their good ones after places there, St Nicolas Abbey. |
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Delashay • May 7, 2026 5:39 PM BST
Thanks I thought his body language in the race (looking back) and his interview was telling after. He’s a short head away from being unbeaten and surely has been named to be the flat Constitution equivalent? It’s named after a river on Barbados, they like naming their good ones after places there, St Nicolas Abbey. |
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…. “plus Ryan Moore's reaction suggests Chester winner is a star.”
Tom Segal Tipster 13 May 2026 |
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Any need to repeat your post,Autistic one?
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Having just seen that Seagal has just picked up on that and written an article today I thought it super confirmation of what I’d observed on the day of the race!
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And I wouldn’t want THICK people like you to forget
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Delbert cannot post a single bet that he has had on BF since joining and accuses others of being thick.
The irony |
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