Two tier criminal justice system again. Labour MP attacks and beats up member of the public WHILE ON THE GROUND - walks free from court. Horse racing trainer attacks pensioner for trespassing - gets THREE YEARS. Ridiculous.
Two tier criminal justice system again. Labour MP attacks and beats up member of the public WHILE ON THE GROUND - walks free from court. Horse racing trainer attacks pensioner for trespassing - gets THREE YEARS. Ridiculous.
All the legal experts have come out of the woodwork.
Labour MP pleaded guilty to assault Williams was found guilty of GBH with intent (an offence that carries a max sentence of Life imprisonment)
He was lucky to get only 3 years.
All the legal experts have come out of the woodwork.Labour MP pleaded guilty to assault Williams was found guilty of GBH with intent (an offence that carries a max sentence of Life imprisonment)He was lucky to get only 3 years.
The Labour MP was guess what, a MP. Elected to public office. He sucker punched someone and then went in for more when they were on the ground and out of it. He WAS NOT in control of whether the victim cracked his skull open on the tarmac or not. Luckily, he hadn't.
The Labour MP then lied about what happened to the cops, and tried to put the blame on the victim.
He was effectively let off. How can you, or anyone else, possibly justify that. Do you think a Reform MP would be let off for that. lol.
Yes Williams attacked someone who was trespassing on his property. Not some random constituent on the street. Not a sucker punch.
Who decides the charges ?
JML, no case is exactly the same. Obviously.The Labour MP was guess what, a MP. Elected to public office. He sucker punched someone and then went in for more when they were on the ground and out of it. He WAS NOT in control of whether the victim crac
Got what he deserved and could easily have killed the guy for which he would have received more. Few of the ladz on 'ere just disappointed willo isn't a muslim Instead of riding out tomorrow, he'll be getting ridden by Bruce. Safeguarding issues when he gets out means he may not be put in charge of young stable staff given his violent nature. miserable looking co0nt at the best of times. manic or bi-polar tendancies. Don't let him have a belt ffs.
Got what he deserved and could easily have killed the guy for which he would have received more.Few of the ladz on 'ere just disappointed willo isn't a muslimInstead of riding out tomorrow, he'll be getting ridden by Bruce.Safeguarding issues when he
Arrogance...no way his brief advised him to plead not guilty....a couple of those years are for wasting everyone's time....plead guilty, say sorry, you were having a bad day and lost your rag and the sentence might have been in months rather than years
Arrogance...no way his brief advised him to plead not guilty....a couple of those years are for wasting everyone's time....plead guilty, say sorry, you were having a bad day and lost your rag and the sentence might have been in months rather than yea
Agree. Own up to what you've done, like your momma taught you. Acted like an 18th century landowner believing he could whack the living daylights out a defenceless old man and walk away from it scot free. WAC
Agree. Own up to what you've done, like your momma taught you.Acted like an 18th century landowner believing he could whack the living daylights out a defenceless old man and walk away from it scot free.WAC
You got something right, to be fair. But, as per, usual. Rule 101 = go for the man instead of the ball.
You appear to be of the ilk that claims if a process is followed, it can't be questioned. It's the clever people, innit.
I knew you would know better.You got something right, to be fair. But, as per, usual. Rule 101 = go for the man instead of the ball. You appear to be of the ilk that claims if a process is followed, it can't be questioned. It's the clever people, inn
This is a case that happened in west of Ireland over 20 years ago.https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/1129/1483773-mayo-farmer-who-shot-intruder-...
This is a case that happened in west of Ireland over 20 years ago.https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/1129/1483773-mayo-farmer-who-shot-intruder-on-his-land-dies-aged-81/
You got something right, to be fair. But, as per, usual. Rule 101 = go for the man instead of the ball.
If you want me to go for the ball you've got to put one in play be actually explaining WHY you're right and the CPS is wrong.
I assume the CPS would have had some medical advice before charging him with manslaughter.
Why don't you actually explain what you disagree with.
I assume you've read this medical advice because commenting on the decision without doing so would be a rather stupid.
You got something right, to be fair. But, as per, usual. Rule 101 = go for the man instead of the ball. If you want me to go for the ball you've got to put one in play be actually explaining WHY you're right and the CPS is wrong.I assume the CPS woul
wouldn't say it was harsh or leniant, looks about right.
you'll always get people comparing the offence to other crimes and punishment.it is what it is...he was guilty of over the top violence with a weapon as an aggravating factor.
wouldn't say it was harsh or leniant, looks about right.you'll always get people comparing the offence to other crimes and punishment.it is what it is...he was guilty of over the top violence with a weapon as an aggravating factor.
leafy with his usual tripe. he wouldnt be a moslem as dogs are haram, like just about everything under the religion of peace
very stoopid tendencies on display, as ever
it certainly wasnt leniant. nothing isleafy with his usual tripe. he wouldnt be a moslem as dogs are haram, like just about everything under the religion of peacevery stoopid tendencies on display, as ever
He lied in court under oath, without contrition, saying the victim did it himself and, even worse, claiming that the police witnesses got it wrong/lied.
That is probably the main reason for the harsh sentence.
He lied in court under oath, without contrition, saying the victim did it himself and, even worse, claiming that the police witnesses got it wrong/lied. That is probably the main reason for the harsh sentence.
Causing grievous bodily harm with intent to do grievous bodily harm / Wounding with intent to do GBH
Triable only on indictment Maximum: Life imprisonment Offence range: 2 – 16 years’ custody
Step 1 – Determining the offence category The court should determine the offence category with reference only to the factors in the tables below. In order to determine the category the court should assess culpability and harm.
Culpability Where there are factors present from more than one category of culpability, the court should weigh those factors in order to decide which category most resembles the offender’s case.
A - High culpability Significant degree of planning or premeditation Victim obviously vulnerable due to age, personal characteristics or circumstances Use of a highly dangerous weapon or weapon equivalent* Strangulation/suffocation/asphyxiation Leading role in group activity Prolonged/persistent assault Revenge B – Medium culpability Use of a weapon or weapon equivalent which does not fall within category A Lesser role in group activity Cases falling between category high and low culpability because: Factors in both high and lesser categories are present which balance each other out; and/or The offender’s culpability falls between the factors as described in high and lesser culpability C – Lesser culpability No weapon used Excessive self defence Offender acted in response to prolonged or extreme violence or abuse by victim Mental disorder or learning disability, where linked to the commission of the offence * A highly dangerous weapon can include weapons such as knives and firearms. Highly dangerous weapon equivalents can include corrosive substances (such as acid), whose dangerous nature must be substantially above and beyond the legislative definition of an offensive weapon which is; ‘any article made or adapted for use for causing injury, or is intended by the person having it with him for such use’. The court must determine whether the weapon or weapon equivalent is highly dangerous on the facts and circumstances of the case.
Harm All cases will involve ‘really serious harm’, which can be physical or psychological, or wounding. The court should assess the level of harm caused with reference to the impact on the victim.
Where there are factors present from more than one category of harm, the court should weigh those factors in order to decide which category most resembles the offender’s case.
Category 1 Particularly grave or life-threatening injury caused Injury results in physical or psychological harm resulting in lifelong dependency on third party care or medical treatment Offence results in a permanent, irreversible injury or psychological condition which has a substantial and long term effect on the victim’s ability to carry out their normal day to day activities or on their ability to work Category 2 Grave injury Offence results in a permanent, irreversible injury or condition not falling within category 1 Category 3 All other cases of really serious harm All other cases of wounding
Crown courtCausing grievous bodily harm with intent to do grievous bodily harm / Wounding with intent to do GBHTriable only on indictmentMaximum: Life imprisonmentOffence range: 2 – 16 years’ custodyStep 1 – Determining the offence categoryThe
The Labour MP could and should have been charged with GBH.
Unfortunately, CPS do not share their working. But their own press release states that is was 'prolonged and persistent' (until the bystanders stopped him):
before he was punched to the head and knocked to the ground by the MP.
While the victim remained on the ground, Amesbury followed him into the road and punched him at least a further five times before members of the public intervened.
Feel free to argue that couldn't have been GBH, based on the law.
Prolonged/persistent assault = Culpability AAll other cases of wounding = Category 3The Labour MP could and should have been charged with GBH.Unfortunately, CPS do not share their working. But their own press release states that is was 'prolonged and
I thought we were discussing the manslaughter charge.
You seem to have gone to a great deal of trouble to change the subject.
Why have gone to all that trouble to explain I was wrong to say he was lucky to get 3 years.
I make mistakes all time and I'm not the one who has the problem with admitting I'm wrong.
Point me to a single time you've admitted to be wrong in your 68000 posts.
I thought we were discussing the manslaughter charge.You seem to have gone to a great deal of trouble to change the subject.Why have gone to all that trouble to explain I was wrong to say he was lucky to get 3 years.I make mistakes all time and I'm n
I quoted your first post on the thread, which references the Labour MP's conviction.
Your assertion is that Williams' was more serious by virtue of the charges.
Who determines the charges?
I quoted your first post on the thread, which references the Labour MP's conviction. Your assertion is that Williams' was more serious by virtue of the charges.Who determines the charges?
It was no trouble, and few minutes, google, copy and paste.
Why don't you actually explain what you disagree with.
I did what you asked for, and yet you still moan, and take cheaper shots than a Labour MP.
It was no trouble, and few minutes, google, copy and paste. Why don't you actually explain what you disagree with.I did what you asked for, and yet you still moan, and take cheaper shots than a Labour MP.
I have nothing on you. You literally asked me to explain, which I did. All you have left is juvenile and tedious name calling. You have the necessary skills to be a Labour MP as it goes!
I have nothing on you. You literally asked me to explain, which I did. All you have left is juvenile and tedious name calling. You have the necessary skills to be a Labour MP as it goes!
He posted questioning the CPS decision to charge him with manslaughter.
I mention manslaughter in my 20.13 and 20.55 posts.
He didn't ask what I was talking about.
He posted questioning the CPS decision to charge him with manslaughter.I mention manslaughter in my 20.13 and 20.55 posts.He didn't ask what I was talking about.
Why is comaparing a mentally ill black man with a white compos mentis racehorse trainer who, as ponited out, showed no contrition, pleaded not guilty and tried to twist the narrative in his favour? He's another ethnocentric bigot. Farage fan-boy no doubt.
Why is comaparing a mentally ill black man with a white compos mentis racehorse trainer who, as ponited out, showed no contrition, pleaded not guilty and tried to twist the narrative in his favour?He's another ethnocentric bigot.Farage fan-boy no dou
Diarmuid Phelan, a senior counsel and law professor, was found not guilty of murdering Keith Conlon, who was shot on Phelan’s Dublin farm in February 2022. The jury accepted Phelan acted in self-defence after a "heated exchange" with trespassers, though Conlon died two days later.Key Details of the Case:Incident: The shooting occurred on February 22, 2022, at Hazelgrove farm, Kiltalown Lane, Tallaght, Dublin.The Deceased: Keith Conlon, 35, was a father-of-four who was trespassing on the land while hunting.The Trial: Phelan, 56, was charged with murder and denied the accusation, arguing he was protecting himself and his property.Verdict: Following a trial in January 2025, a jury found Phelan not guilty of murder.Context: The court heard that a verbal dispute occurred before shots were fired, with Phelan firing shots with a revolver.The case drew significant attention due to it's high-profile nature
Diarmuid Phelan, a senior counsel and law professor, was found not guilty of murdering Keith Conlon, who was shot on Phelan’s Dublin farm in February 2022. The jury accepted Phelan acted in self-defence after a "heated exchange" with trespassers, t
Evan Williams has been sentenced to three years in prison, following his conviction last month for causing grievous bodily harm with intent.
Williams attacked 72-year-old Martin Dandridge in the mistaken belief he was a lamper, a type of poacher, one evening in December 2024, leaving Dandridge with a broken arm.
"This was an appalling offence, causing serious injury," Recorder Angharad Price told Williams as she delivered the sentence on Tuesday morning at Cardiff Crown Court. "It is never acceptable to take the law into your own hands."
The future of Williams' training business is in question, after his barrister, David Elias KC, told the court: "If he isn't there, there is no business."
Williams' licence was transferred after his conviction into the name of his wife, Cath, but Elias cast doubt on whether she would continue in charge.
"It doesn't matter in whose name the licence is," Elias said, as part of a plea to the judge to impose only a suspended sentence. "It is Evan Williams who brings the racing knowledge and no one else."
During his argument for mitigation, Elias described "an unprecedented number of testimonials", with 570 character references having been received by Williams' solicitors and more continuing to arrive. A representative sample amounting to 102 of those references had been submitted to the court and read by the judge in advance of Tuesday's hearing.
Attempting to explain the trainer's state of mind at the time of the assault, Elias described "a terrifying previous incident" about six weeks beforehand when trespassers had threatened Williams with a shotgun and made threats about burning his property. That led to him "reacting on the spur of the moment to a situation he believed was far more serious than it actually was".
A pre-sentencing report compiled to assist the judge spoke of Williams suffering "unresolved trauma which impaired his judgement" as a result of the earlier incident. Elias emphasised that the trainer had shown insight and changed his behaviour, calling the police to deal with a subsequent incident rather than intervening himself.
Evan Williams' most notable training success came when winning the 2024 Christmas Hurdle with Silver Streak Evan Williams' most notable training success came when winning the 2024 Christmas Hurdle with Silver Streak Credit: Debbie Burt The court heard that, as well as being a highly successful trainer, Williams was "much-loved in the local community," supporting charities and never on any other occasion behaving as he had done towards Dandridge. His training operation, built from scratch, was described as the largest rural employer in the Vale of Glamorgan and a vital source of trade for local suppliers.
Elias added that Williams had shown remorse that was "genuine, consistent and focused on the harm caused to Mr Dandridge," rather than on the possible legal consequences for himself. Citing the trainer's previous exemplary character, Elias urged the court to accept there was sufficient mitigation to allow for a suspended sentence, which would have seen Williams walk free from court.
However, Recorder Price explained that could only be done if the appropriate sentence was, in her judgement, two years at the most. Elias noted that subsequent changes to sentencing guidelines would have allowed her to suspend a sentence of up to three years, if Williams' conviction had occurred just 13 days later than it had done.
Announcing her verdict that a three-year term was appropriate, Recorder Price said it was the shortest sentence that she could impose "commensurate with my public duty".
Addressing Williams, she said: "When you gave evidence at trial, you talked passionately of protecting your racehorses and your family from harm. That protection should not have come at Mr Dandridge's cost. He should not have paid such a high price for walking his dog on the wrong field. This sentence will be a lesson to you that it is always better to call the police if you believe a crime is being committed.”
She added that Williams would be released from prison no later than 18 months into his sentence, with the balance of the three years to be served in the community.
William Bebb, prosecuting, read out a statement from Dandridge, which said the assault had had "a profound impact" on his life. "I don't feel like the same person I was," he wrote.
He described ongoing pain around the area of a fracture to his left arm, affecting the grip strength in his dominant hand and undermining his ability to pursue former hobbies like golf and metal detecting. He also spoke of anxiety, disturbed sleep and intrusive thoughts, particularly around what he described as a moment during the assault when he feared for his life.
In a statement, the BHA said: "We're aware of the sentencing today of Evan Williams, following his conviction last month. As has been the case throughout this process, we'll be in contact with Cath Williams and her staff in the coming days and weeks to provide support as they consider the next steps for their yard."
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Evan Williams has been sentenced to three years in prison, following his conviction last month for causing grievous bodily harm with intent. Williams attacked 72-year-old Martin Dandridge in the mistaken belief he was a lamper, a type of poacher, one
The geezer looks a lot like Ben Fogle, maybe Evan isn’t a fan of his shows?!
Using a hockey stick is cowardly, some dog walkers are completely ignorant and think they have rights to let their mutts run free without being on a leash and treat public spaces as their own land.
The geezer looks a lot like Ben Fogle, maybe Evan isn’t a fan of his shows?! Using a hockey stick is cowardly, some dog walkers are completely ignorant and think they have rights to let their mutts run free without being on a leash and treat public
The wanna be intellectual has been mentioned, he went for the guys eyes, not the first time that he’s done that, remember the incident with the lit cigar?
Was a poor footballer and I wonder how any club could have given him employment?
The wanna be intellectual has been mentioned, he went for the guys eyes, not the first time that he’s done that, remember the incident with the lit cigar? Was a poor footballer and I wonder how any club could have given him employment?
Dog owners who walk the dog off the lead should be fined heavily……
There are specific areas where you can let the dog run free,high fencing to keep them safe…..
Grow a brain.
Dog owners who walk the dog off the lead should be fined heavily……There are specific areas where you can let the dog run free,high fencing to keep them safe…..Grow a brain.
Agree, it’s not nice for some people (who might have been attacked by a dog) or youngsters to have dogs run up to them.
A guy with an English Bull Terrier was letting him run free, it jumped up at me continually, when I said can you please put it on its lead he said no!
The air tuned blue pretty quickly and he picked up a big tree branch!
So things can spiral out of control pretty rapidly. I’m guessing the same might have happened here.
I’m an animal lover and don’t hold it against the dogs, it’s the owners.
Agree, it’s not nice for some people (who might have been attacked by a dog) or youngsters to have dogs run up to them. A guy with an English Bull Terrier was letting him run free, it jumped up at me continually, when I said can you please put it o
This incident far worse and a second offence whilst on bail .. 2 years 6 months
Wilkerson 21, had been illegally riding an e-scooter when the victim – a man in his 70s – asked him to get off the vehicle. Wilkerson got off the scooter and then began filming the victim, causing him to feel distress. The victim grabbed Wilkerson’s phone and asked him to stop.
Wilkerson then became aggressive and began punching the victim repeatedly, causing a fractured eye socket and multiple other injuries. Members of the public gave first aid before the emergency services arrived to take over.
Wilkerson was arrested the next day. His e-scooter was seized and he was reported for driving offences.
Less than a year before, Wilkerson had been involved in another violent incident and he was on bail for this offence at the time of the GBH.
This incident far worse and a second offence whilst on bail .. 2 years 6 monthsWilkerson 21, had been illegally riding an e-scooter when the victim – a man in his 70s – asked him to get off the vehicle. Wilkerson got off the scooter and then bega
I totally agree about the irresponsible dog OWNERS ,who for some unknown reason let the dog wander/run 100m or more from them and think they are in control of any situation that can/could happen.Iam a responsible dog owner/lover and disgusted by some owners attitude. I understand if this incident had happened 13 days after the altercation Mr Evan Williams quite possibly would have been handed a Two year suspended custodial sentance.
I totally agree about the irresponsible dog OWNERS ,who for some unknown reason let the dog wander/run 100m or more from them and think they are in control of any situation that can/could happen.Iam a responsible dog owner/lover and disgusted by some
You get a longer sentence for pleading NOT GUILTY and then being found guilty. It's the costs of the case. Wouldn't surprise me if the case costs came just short of a million quid.
You get a longer sentence for pleading NOT GUILTY and then being found guilty. It's the costs of the case. Wouldn't surprise me if the case costs came just short of a million quid.
Now iam not kidding here,how messed up is the justice system in the U.K.Plead guilty to help our figures and we ,the state will give you a third off.****the U.K.
Now iam not kidding here,how messed up is the justice system in the U.K.Plead guilty to help our figures and we ,the state will give you a third off.****the U.K.
hasn't stopped as yet but Big Bruce has him under his wing, saddling up in the ring. Starts his anger management course on Monday, hoping it'll knock a chunk off his bird. Should be out before next year's Grand National.
HAS HE STARTED CRYING YEThasn't stopped as yet but Big Bruce has him under his wing, saddling up in the ring.Starts his anger management course on Monday, hoping it'll knock a chunk off his bird.Should be out before next year's Grand National.
No you're correct. At 71 years of age it's just fortunate the guy's family still have him around despite his ordeal at the hands of nasty barsteward armed with a hockey stick.
No you're correct.At 71 years of age it's just fortunate the guy's family still have him around despite his ordeal at the hands of nasty barsteward armed with a hockey stick.
I'm gonna testify that I was right out of my mind Let the record show, I did it all for rock and roll Screamin' every night, playing 25 to life So somebody, please, keep me the hell out of San Quentin Out of San Quentin Oh, just keep me out of San Quentin Ooh, can somebody, please, keep me the hell out of San Quentin?
I'm gonna testify that I was right out of my mindLet the record show, I did it all for rock and rollScreamin' every night, playing 25 to lifeSo somebody, please, keep me the hell out of San QuentinOut of San QuentinOh, just keep me out of San Quentin
A horsey man with mud on his shoes, Once let his temper pick and choose, An old man stood, frail and hoarse, And anger struck without remorse.
The hockey stick came crashing down, Echoed sharp through all the town, A moment’s rage, a foolish course, Now all he feels is deep remorse.
What’s arisen can’t be undone, No race to win, no victory won, Just guilt that builds a heavy prison, For what’s been done, for what’s arisen.
He sees a dog, a soft cockapoo, Its gentle eyes cut right him through, And thinks of kindness he once knew, Before he played the fool or two.
Now sits alone, ashamed and sick, Muttering low, “I’m such a prick,” No horse to train, no crowd, no cheer— Just lessons learned the hardest way here.
A horsey man with mud on his shoes,Once let his temper pick and choose,An old man stood, frail and hoarse,And anger struck without remorse.The hockey stick came crashing down,Echoed sharp through all the town,A moment’s rage, a foolish course,Now a
A horsey man with mud on his shoes, Once let his temper pick and choose, An old man stood, frail and hoarse, And anger struck without remorse.
The hockey stick came crashing down, Echoed sharp through all the town, A moment’s rage, a foolish course, Now all he feels is deep remorse.
What’s arisen can’t be undone, No race to win, no victory won, Just guilt that builds a heavy prison, For what’s been done, for what’s arisen.
He sees a dog, a soft cockapoo, Its gentle eyes cut right him through, And thinks of kindness he once knew, Before he played the fool or two.
Now sits alone, ashamed and sick, Muttering low, “I’m such a pr*ck,” No horse to train, no crowd, no cheer— Just lessons learned the hardest way here.
A horsey man with mud on his shoes,Once let his temper pick and choose,An old man stood, frail and hoarse,And anger struck without remorse.The hockey stick came crashing down,Echoed sharp through all the town,A moment’s rage, a foolish course,Now a
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