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Another load of pointless hype about a novice stakes worth £6400. A certain horse is entered and called an intended runner so we are all supposed to be frothing at the mouth. It looks a much easier race than on his flat debut when there was at least some uncertainty. I suppose he could refuse to go into the stalls this time but I imagine it will take a couple more runs before the novelty wears off.
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i thort 1/5 to win was great value..i also think Classical Illusion 1.3 1st 3 was great value.
i thort 1/5 to win was great value..i also think Classical Allusion 1.3 1st 3 was great value.
He's blown out a few times on the racecourse.
Jumping errors? Not exactly any issue here?
Jumping errors? Not exactly any issue here?
Having a blow out on the same track (and going obv) would be enough to put me off a 1/20 bet. Clearly, almost certainly will still pay out.
The aim of today's race is to obtain a handicap mark. As such, will he be extended by Moore? Several bookies are offering price boosts on him winning by a certain number of lengths.
I too have my doubts about how much he will be extended. At Newcastle Osin was probably told, we want to find out how good he is over 12f. Now they know, I agree it might be more of a case of getting a handicap for future races, without giving him hard races.
123 thinks race is a waste of time . And won't be watching.....but he's posting on ere now........anyone guess were he Willbe in twenty minutes
Loads opposing him to win up to 1.14 though. Win or no where?
I won't be watching...I'll be watching in-running though.
You said Jon bon should be retired back in November.....only won over 300k since
I'd have, for JP's wealth. The horse suffered several reversals plus denying his "stablemate" a win in The Ryanair. Similarly, Sir Gino post last season's misfortune. The same goes for Constitution Hill over the sticks.
Big crowd turned up, their first AW night meeting, they move out to watch the race....and find out you can see bugger all and end up watching it on the big screen.
Think we learned nothing more than the first race he ran this year. Not sure what they have on their hands. Another good confidence booster.
Bookmakers laughing with those distance bets. Never a prayer. Won by as far as he could.
Would be better if they ran him at Newcastle then Kempton of all the All weather tracks, Kempton wouldnt be his ideal track. Newcastle he would extend further clear as they tend to run at a sounder pace, looked a bit muddling for 4F
The bookies are laughing all the way to the bank with their winning distances bets.
Rico-Dangleflaps 25 Mar 26 17:31
i thort 1/5 to win was great value..i also think Classical Allusion 1.3 1st 3 was great value.
wd rico
i thort 1/5 to win was great value..i also think Classical Allusion 1.3 1st 3 was great value.
wd rico
Easy peasy, finding money in the street, the way he won you might get another go at short odds on, race not run to suit just hands and heals, the buying money guys out tonight 1.3 million on the race, they knew you don’t get many horses impressive as frankel to bet at 1/4
evens at slybet for 2 lengths lands the money on the nose
race was slowly run..visually wasnt as impressive as southwell...wouldnt have suited winner or 2nd.
Cons hill to win a gr1 1000/1..to win a gr3 will be a struggle..imo
Cons hill to win a gr1 1000/1..to win a gr3 will be a struggle..imo
The horse that finished second tonight was only having his second lifetime race.
The horse in third has run 16 races without winning, and only placed once (3rd) in 15 previous races.
Next stop the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe for Constitution Hill?
The level of form is more suited to opening supermarkets, or being paraded around the ring as an all-time great.
The horse in third has run 16 races without winning, and only placed once (3rd) in 15 previous races.
Next stop the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe for Constitution Hill?
The level of form is more suited to opening supermarkets, or being paraded around the ring as an all-time great.
Two medium-sized impediments to him running in the Arc.
I would think Frankel himself would have been no Frankle at 9 yrs old, he certainly would have been the Frankel we saw as a 4yo before going to stud. I certainly would not dismiss Constitution Hill yet of winning a Grp 3 on the right ground . I looked after the winner of the Brigadier Gerard Stks one year Grp 3 ran on soft ground at Sandown (horses were walking at the winning post) the same horse could barely lay up around Kempton AW
Bookies going 8-1 to win a Group 1 this season.
I should probably be offered at 8-1 also, along with Shergar.
I should probably be offered at 8-1 also, along with Shergar.
Ryan Moore:
Asked what level he can compete at, Moore replied: "We don't know yet, he'll tell us. We'll know more after his next run.
I'd say that is a non-answer, and we will see the horse beating no-hopers fro a few more races.
Asked what level he can compete at, Moore replied: "We don't know yet, he'll tell us. We'll know more after his next run.
I'd say that is a non-answer, and we will see the horse beating no-hopers fro a few more races.
If the Ebor is on the agenda seems pointless running in JPS G3 coz if it finished close up its bound to have a hcap mark near 110,maybe try find an egg n spoon conditions race somewhere
Is the Ebor on the agenda? We'd have to have a very wet summer.
Mar 25, 2026 -- 9:54PM, strontium wrote:
Is the Ebor on the agenda? We'd have to have a very wet summer.
English summer weather never the easiest to predict.....yes i will grant you hendo will never run CH with the word "firm" in the going description but see no reason why it cant run on genuine good ground....
Here is a take on the performance I have not read. Suppose you had a good knowledge of horse racing but had been on another planet for weeks. Then you return as tonight's horses enter the straight. The sound is turned down on your TV so you do not know it is C Hill. The horse wins, so what would you write down as notes for the performance. 'Travelled well, led inside final furlong, pushed out, won comfortbaly'. Nothing brilliant in that given there were some poor horses in opposition.
What I am trying to say is how the hype over this horse is masking what is achieving so far on the flat. A dynamic and very good win at Swell agianst some poor horses. It did travel supreme easily throughout at Swell.
But tongight, was the win dynamic? And, to my eye, it did not travel quite as easily.
Now, much of those two things might be down to the difference in approach between Murphy and Moore. The latter just gets it done but when interviewd afterards he said 'there is still a bit of improvement there'.
Of course, that is Moore all over BUT it needs a lot more than 'a bit of improvement' to win a Group race. The horse is 9 and, sad, to say, I deteced in its whole apperance and performace tonight just the tiiest bit of sourness. At his age, I am now wondering if he is going off the idea of racing.
Henderson has been really annoying with this horse for years and, in my view, the owner is rather naive thinkign about Melbourne Cups etc etc.
If the horse improves enough to win a Group race then I am wrong and very well done to all. But I do not think it will and a realistic target is surely the Pitmen's Derby at Newcastle, which is a race where horses carrying a lot of weight do well in. It is also Tapeta which the horse coped with so well at Southwell.
I want to see the horse succeed but part of me wants to see it flop so the OTT hype stops. Making a nine year horse who developed a problem over hurdles into some kind of potetinal superstar on the flat at is madness = but typical of how the childish media conduct themselves nowadays. Too easily impressed and lacking the critical eye equired to analyse horse racing properly.
We shall see.
What I am trying to say is how the hype over this horse is masking what is achieving so far on the flat. A dynamic and very good win at Swell agianst some poor horses. It did travel supreme easily throughout at Swell.
But tongight, was the win dynamic? And, to my eye, it did not travel quite as easily.
Now, much of those two things might be down to the difference in approach between Murphy and Moore. The latter just gets it done but when interviewd afterards he said 'there is still a bit of improvement there'.
Of course, that is Moore all over BUT it needs a lot more than 'a bit of improvement' to win a Group race. The horse is 9 and, sad, to say, I deteced in its whole apperance and performace tonight just the tiiest bit of sourness. At his age, I am now wondering if he is going off the idea of racing.
Henderson has been really annoying with this horse for years and, in my view, the owner is rather naive thinkign about Melbourne Cups etc etc.
If the horse improves enough to win a Group race then I am wrong and very well done to all. But I do not think it will and a realistic target is surely the Pitmen's Derby at Newcastle, which is a race where horses carrying a lot of weight do well in. It is also Tapeta which the horse coped with so well at Southwell.
I want to see the horse succeed but part of me wants to see it flop so the OTT hype stops. Making a nine year horse who developed a problem over hurdles into some kind of potetinal superstar on the flat at is madness = but typical of how the childish media conduct themselves nowadays. Too easily impressed and lacking the critical eye equired to analyse horse racing properly.
We shall see.
I love the Horse but he aint reaching any dizzy heights oan the flat ffs.
".to win a gr3 will be a struggle..imo" Brave call Rico. There are a few soft ones about. Like the way he settled last night. Think 12f is fine but it opens the door for 14f where a big win may well be easier.
Timeform has awarded CH a 106P.
Mullins won the Ebor recently with Absurde nd Ethical Diamond both winning off 104.
Interesting to find out what the handicapper gives him.
Mullins won the Ebor recently with Absurde nd Ethical Diamond both winning off 104.
Interesting to find out what the handicapper gives him.
if last night was its debut timeform wouldnt be giving it 106.
without knowing the horse,s background what other flat horse gets 106 for beating 80 rated horses 2 lengths ?
Widely accepted that the start stop pace wasn't condusive to a CH star performance, or anywhere near it. Slowly run.
Would probably be better off a strong pace with his kick at the end.
12F could be his limit though.
Who knows really!
Jury still out.
Would probably be better off a strong pace with his kick at the end.
12F could be his limit though.
Who knows really!
Jury still out.
Beautiful horse andI’d be sending him to France where he can dictate from the front whilst the French jocks snooze on ground that he’ll like.
Dubai Future win the Dubai Gold Cup G2 last year at the age of 9 He beat Double Major a multiple group winner!
They walk over those trips in France so a step up in trip would give more options.
Age is just a number!
Dubai Future win the Dubai Gold Cup G2 last year at the age of 9 He beat Double Major a multiple group winner!
They walk over those trips in France so a step up in trip would give more options.
Age is just a number!
you can't get anywhere near a mark of 106 imo
reiterate what I said after southwell...raw performance fig from CH is 92...+7-10lb for ease of victory
run to mid-high 80s at best last night so his rating comes from southwell run
and after last night you'd be the lower end of the 7-10lbs pounds
probably 100
reiterate what I said after southwell...raw performance fig from CH is 92...+7-10lb for ease of victory
run to mid-high 80s at best last night so his rating comes from southwell run
and after last night you'd be the lower end of the 7-10lbs pounds
probably 100
how this horse moves maybe get away with it on a/w so september stakes is possible target
but turf will need cumberland lodge ascot october soft or cooper clerk watered sandown hurdles track gordon richards april meeting...I don't see him running on anything quicker or being good enough for anything better
but turf will need cumberland lodge ascot october soft or cooper clerk watered sandown hurdles track gordon richards april meeting...I don't see him running on anything quicker or being good enough for anything better
thought oisin settled him far better 1st run as well
Sectionals are interesting, he ran the fastest time he has ever run ever over 40 mph on the 2 nd last furlong, we could still get a good price as a lot are dishing the run
1st mile v moderately run led to sprint from the home turn
last 3f are not that flashy considering how the horse is being talked up
last 3f are not that flashy considering how the horse is being talked up
kempton 12f
34.86s is not even in the top 30 since we've had official sectional timing
kalpana 33.43s in september stakes for comparison 8.5l quicker up the straight
34.86s is not even in the top 30 since we've had official sectional timing
kalpana 33.43s in september stakes for comparison 8.5l quicker up the straight
Some are saying he is not up to winning a Melbourne Cup. Its only a h'cap, ffs!
Pitman's derby is unlikely because he won't stay 2 miles on the flat and that race typically has an emphasis on staina as they get racing all the way up the straight IMO.
Moore reckons he's pacey enough for Group races over 12F.
In the RP, Henderson says he's looking at the John Porter. Then down the line, the article suggests the Irish Leger and the Prix Royal Oak (though it's not clear if those are suggestions from the writer or Hendo). Hendo does say the horse will have a summer break, will not run at Royal Ascot, and that there are races in France, Ireland and Germany to consider.
The Horse could have been a contender if he was sent on the flat a few seasons ago....Not now imho.
duffy 1 Rico 0 may get the irish leger trip. don't see him winning a big one over 2 miles including pitmen's
acey already made an absolute knt of himself before southwell..now playing the same record on repeat 24/7 ffs put a sock in it ydc.
The hype over this horse is totally stupid.
The horse is the human equivalnet of just uner 40.
Now, is it lilely that a 40 year old human athlete, who is novice to an athletic event, is goling to beat anyone aged from 20 to 25? It is possible, but unlikely. But that is probably what C Hill will have to do.
Also, the horse is going to be jumping from Class 3 novice company to a Group 3 race. I just cannot see him making that transition at age 9.
Two further points
A/ They can forget the Melbourne Cup, not because the horse will not be good enough (which he is highly unlikely to be anyway) but because the Aussies are now so strict on the health of horses before the race. Remember, O'Brien having horses excluded because of 'shadows' on their x-rays? A 9 year former hurdlwr with some history of niggling, albet minor, injuries will surely not be allowed to run once x-rayed.
B/ I cannot see why the horse will not have the pace to win over 2m on the Tapaeta in the Pitmen's Derby. Of course, his handicap mark will dictate his handicap future, but surely a 2 miles really quick Champion Hurdler could cope with 2 miles on Tapeta? He may well struggle on grass, though. I concede that.
Unless the horse is showing some kind of magic on the gallops, I cannot belive how naive Henderson appears to be over this animal. And, in my view, he is leading the rather innocent owber up the graden path a bit. It has been known for trainers to do such thigs!! I have seen it first hand but cottoned on before it cost me too much cash....
Sad to say, I now want the horse to flop on the flat, be safely retired to a nice home somewhere, and all the stupid, stuopid hype to stop!!!
The horse is the human equivalnet of just uner 40.
Now, is it lilely that a 40 year old human athlete, who is novice to an athletic event, is goling to beat anyone aged from 20 to 25? It is possible, but unlikely. But that is probably what C Hill will have to do.
Also, the horse is going to be jumping from Class 3 novice company to a Group 3 race. I just cannot see him making that transition at age 9.
Two further points
A/ They can forget the Melbourne Cup, not because the horse will not be good enough (which he is highly unlikely to be anyway) but because the Aussies are now so strict on the health of horses before the race. Remember, O'Brien having horses excluded because of 'shadows' on their x-rays? A 9 year former hurdlwr with some history of niggling, albet minor, injuries will surely not be allowed to run once x-rayed.
B/ I cannot see why the horse will not have the pace to win over 2m on the Tapaeta in the Pitmen's Derby. Of course, his handicap mark will dictate his handicap future, but surely a 2 miles really quick Champion Hurdler could cope with 2 miles on Tapeta? He may well struggle on grass, though. I concede that.
Unless the horse is showing some kind of magic on the gallops, I cannot belive how naive Henderson appears to be over this animal. And, in my view, he is leading the rather innocent owber up the graden path a bit. It has been known for trainers to do such thigs!! I have seen it first hand but cottoned on before it cost me too much cash....
Sad to say, I now want the horse to flop on the flat, be safely retired to a nice home somewhere, and all the stupid, stuopid hype to stop!!!
It's ironic how when he was fit and well as a younger horse with the jumping world at his feet they chose to wrap him tightly in cotton wool, remember his barnstorming Supreme win and how it was toyed with the prospect of taking him to Ireland to face Honeysuckle, but no, not a chance of derring do back then.
Fast forward a few years and the cotton wool seems to have been lost somewhere as the horse continually throws himself to the ground and they continually send him back out to do it all over again and then when that route is finally extinguished they come up with a final desperate throw of the dice as they try to cling on to past glories.
They had the horse that could have given them so much more when the sun was shining, no point trying it now when it's pi55ing down!!
Fast forward a few years and the cotton wool seems to have been lost somewhere as the horse continually throws himself to the ground and they continually send him back out to do it all over again and then when that route is finally extinguished they come up with a final desperate throw of the dice as they try to cling on to past glories.
They had the horse that could have given them so much more when the sun was shining, no point trying it now when it's pi55ing down!!
At the age of 9 Constitution Hill isn't going to improve. I applaud the decision to retire him from the jumping game though because you can only play Russian Roulette so many times until the luck runs out. The public seem to have taken to the horse though and I can see no harm in that. Us grizzled old cynics know the score of course but on this occasion? Turn a blind eye and let the public clap and holler for their hero.
connections aren't going to be able to resist sending it hurdling again next winter
knight , Sea Pigeon won an Ebor at 9 under 10 stone. Then 2 champion hurdles at 10 and 11. " I cannot see why the horse will not have the pace to win over 2m on the Tapaeta in the Pitmen's Derby" Nearly always a thorough stayer that wins it don't think he is one.
Class might give him some chance though. Sea Pigeon didn't really want the Chester Cup distance but won it twice.
More and more Grinches appearing. No wonder this country seems to be immersed in a sea of depression these days.
... I think it is the way the media have built up the hype that some folk find annoying Loper, I couldnt care if the horse wins the Arc or a Banded race, that last race looked average at best imo.
A top class hurdler who's now switched codes,bound to get a bit
of attention.Put a few extra on the gates aswell.
Hope he does well,meself.
of attention.Put a few extra on the gates aswell.
Hope he does well,meself.
loper • March 28, 2026 10:31 AM GMT
More and more Grinches appearing. No wonder this country seems to be immersed in a sea of depression these days.
Couldn’t agree more, the first day of the flat is back, Young Albert the fastest thing he’s ever had is going over 7f and no one talks about that!
Or the Group 1’s in Dubai
More and more Grinches appearing. No wonder this country seems to be immersed in a sea of depression these days.
Couldn’t agree more, the first day of the flat is back, Young Albert the fastest thing he’s ever had is going over 7f and no one talks about that!
Or the Group 1’s in Dubai
And me Penzance I’m pleased that he’s no longer jumping and wish them all the best. There’ll be plenty of other stories and hype, they’re trying to generate interest but it’s back firing
..... Not another " fastest horse I have trained " scenario. 
Yes you gotta love it! Where’s your photo of the guy with his technical setup bs detector?!
Ante post Guineas bet Dela. ?? If you are believing the hype 4/1 is a steal. ??
I’m not on him Glas he can win at those odds and I’m not tempted by them before seeing him today, it’s intriguing that they are running him.
I’ll be interested to see what people say after about him likely getting a mile.
The 3 yr olds have a bad record in the race so if he bucks that trend and does win then the hype will go into over drive!
If he’s beaten it’s just a comeback and the stats of 3yr olds in the race and ground can be potentially put up as a valid excuse?
The 3 yr olds have a bad record in the race so if he bucks that trend and does win then the hype will go into over drive!
If he’s beaten it’s just a comeback and the stats of 3yr olds in the race and ground can be potentially put up as a valid excuse?
Wow, AE was lifeless, see what transpires for Aidens " Fastest Ever " ?
He ran it just to show everyone who backed it that they’ve done their doe!
Would anyone be this much interested in a horse but for his exploits and then his subsequent falls as a Champion Hurdler? I think just because he beat nothing at Southwell, then Newcastle, the horse is being lauded as a Group horse on the Flat.
I think he may win a (weak) Gp 3, but certainly no higher. I think he might even ply his trade in Aussieland, if the opportunities in the UK and Ireland are restrictive.
I think he may win a (weak) Gp 3, but certainly no higher. I think he might even ply his trade in Aussieland, if the opportunities in the UK and Ireland are restrictive.
the horse is being lauded as a Group horse on the Flat.
I think he may win a (weak) G3
make yer mind up
I think he may win a (weak) G3
make yer mind up
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