Luck on Sunday

Was until Ben Keith came on.

Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

A lot of talk from this character Keith but Starsports sacked my account off after a couple of winners.

I don't blame them as I wouldn't lay my bets, but no need for all the pretence and bullshine. They are only interested in laying losers or people who aren't price conscious that they can scalp.

Luck is overrated imo….takes people to task then backs off.

He is infected by the 'high status' disease. Keith was leaning toward saying something mildly negative about Harrington's tenure just then. Can't have that though as she has a protected characteristic, so he shut it down immediately. Plus of course the other condition that champagne socialists are deeply afflicted by, gross hypocrisy.

Ben would be the first to admit that he doesn't want people he cannot beat.
Having been closed several times in other peoples names for hardly winning a fortune I was surprised to hear in early 2022 that Star were taking people on and laying decent bets.
I rejoined and lasted three months before they drew stumps.
I don't think for a moment that it is Ben's money but that is only an opinion.
An interesting watch though.

Yep but he was talking for 30 minutes, at no point was their any indication that their priority is filtering out anyone who knows what they are doing and retaining the mugs. And Luck swerved it completely. Perhaps he hasn't been throttled to £1 max liability after less than 10 bets.

At least dig into what being a bookmaker means in 2026 (ergo, not making a book!)

Ive had a fair winning run with them this year but recently asked for £1000 Carlisle United and was offered £50 which I turned down.  They were never in front and got beat. 

The bet £3.65 retort was the perfect opportunity to broach the subject.

Surely the only thing anyone watching is interested in from a bookmaker is whether they will lay your bets or not. I don't really give a shiit how clever his sister may or may not be!

Cider,he did say at the start of the interview that,"can I beat this person".

Nobody in the media cares two hoots about bans and restrictions. They could almost be said to be hand in hand with the bookmakers.

uti that is rhetoric.

compare and contrast that puff piece Keith interview with Cruddace's one the other day.

that tale/story that Keith got extra time to tell,trust me left my face far more IS THAT IT ,than lucky,s looked,
note to oneself never get stuck in a kitchen,lift witn Ben Keith,
everyman and his gog has a man cave with a pool table in it these days but KEITH saw it as a signed youi,d made it in to the bigtyime,LUCKY couldn't wait to shut him up

still didn't get the story is BEN KEITH just extremely thick confusing SHIPS with CHIPS or did I miss something ?

Enjoyed the show sageform and what a nice gesture from Buckley regarding the girl with the polo mints .

Not the only story with holes on the show today.

keith only wants losing punters closed my account and i was losing with them

Like many Bookmakers they have been heavily fined by the Anti Gambling Commission.

restrictions are one thing but the affordability disaster can be blamed on the gc. an absolute shower

keith hasnt aslways been so risk-averse. maybe become too corporate. he lives in tony morris's old gaff in marylebone

He was certainly risk averse when he was betting with his own money pre 2020

It's quite glaring though for me. So you get a boss of a racecourse group on, you'd expect them to get passively attacked for lack of prizemoney, questionable facilities, prioritising profit, taking out of the sport et al. That happened.

What the one thing your audience would want a boss of a betting company to be challenged on? That didn't happen.

I did try to post a follow up earlier but for some reason i couldn't.

That worked. I thought I must have been banned from using the Forum. No idea about on course betting these days as I have not done any for 5 years. Interesting that he thought that people were going back on course to have a bet since the checks were brought in. So long as Betfair charge 2% and allow in running bets I will be quite happy.

No prob for you but when someone wants monkey or grand bets and you can only deposit £100 a month....

The only advice I would give is to leave your money in here instead of constantly drawing out, Howard.
It is the deposits that get you restricted

I don't draw anything out. But I can't afford too many £500/£1000 losers that's the problem. I can afford it but you know what I mean.

If I had four or five figure sums in a bookie account, I would take out insurance! Who knows when one of the big ones goes bankrupt. Take it out overnight and put it back next day.

There is more chance of the next Pope being an Israeli than BF going skint,sage

Luck giving hannah spencer lots of credibility

You can't have a rational argument with irrational people, chasing twatter likes. Giving them credibility in a serious context is exactly what they want.

A breakout of common sense on the show, with Andrew Black this time. Two weeks in a row now!

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Deary me…..bred more undesirable types inventing the pink click imo….

Without the Layers there would be no Exchange you moron

Exactly scrapiron……

Without the pink button Scrapiron there would be no members…..

Destroyed the betting ring scrapiron……you being a big pro should know that,scrapiron…..bla

A slurry pond was arrested in plastic Dubai recently…..it liked pink (allegedly) scrapiron…..

What I know is that pre Exchanges,the Magic Sign would stroll along the Rails and shorten unraced horses they knew had no chance to suck in Betting Shop fodder like you.
Aceform now believes he is Patrick Veitch after finally tipping a couple of winners.
Naturally,there is no P&L on his pointless thread

That would be the same if betfair didn't exist. As with many parts of modern life, the internet and smartphones have changed things forever.

Of course it would Cider but unfortunately the brainless one fails to see it

I give scrap a 24/1 winner and that’s the thanks…….dreadful individual…

I wouldn’t like to be Patrick Veitch tbh….

I have met him on a few racecourse visits……certainly no hero figure but a decent mannered spud….imv…

I saved him from fainting at York,if you know him ask him…

... I have got his book somewhere in the Attic, one of the worst books ever.

They’re all the same Glasgow all wind and P…..

Basically just a punting diary tbh,most punters could write one…

Not a good book maker then.

You could write one cider……

I thought he came across badly. Never good to come out with 'our sport' reference. Us and them stuff - man the trenches. They rarely, if ever, get anyone on to put a differing view. So you get no real debate - how does that move anything forward?

10 million can you imagine…..

formoftheace • April 19, 2026 11:38 AM BST
I give scrap a 24/1 winner and that’s the thanks…….dreadful individual…

The day will never dawn where I would back a horse on the opinion of a lifelong loser,Aceform.
Fell free to post your bet if you wish though

What's pertinent here are the views he was espousing on the show, not his authoring prowess. In terms of welfare, 'betting harm' and how to deal with nut jobs like spencer. Pretty rare on this show, which usually aligns with the politically correct.

It IS 'us and them' stuff. It is essentially marxist, they want to change everything and they don't care how they will achieve it. As I stated, you can't have a rational argument or debate with such people, who are driven by ideology. Like Black said, whatever changes you make, racehorses will die racing. So you either have to accept that, or agree that it should be abolished.

The likes of hannah spencer won't stop canvassing for likes from the dim if you reduce the number of runners, make fences smaller, or shorten the races. She'd be back on line the next opportunity that presented itself.

Luck going on and on today about the industry needs to come up with alternatives to affordability checks. What a load of bow locks. As long as betting exists, there'll be people who bet too much for them. It's an insoluble premise. But that goes for Maccy Ds, weed, holidays, fast cars, and everything else people waste their UC/pip on, or rob to fund.

Unfortunately affordability checks are here to stay…..gambling ((all kinds of) is a vulgar word to the neutral.

You never know, we might eventually get an elected government that doesn't outsource all responsibility and decision making.

Nige ?

Nigel likes a punt.

Reform aren't perfect, no politician or political party is. But they are the best prospect we've had in many years. Which is why the establishment will try everything in the power to stop them, legitimate or otherwise.

BLACK can take his share of credit for the racing game dying in front of people eye, BLACK provided a platform , more a cheats charter where the no 1 lifelong rule of punting wa broken,wether through, FAT PICS, DRONES,GPS ETC ,it now possible to lose money when the option of winning has been taking away,
punters no 1 rule if you cant win you shouldn't be allowed to lose, BLACK invented something which broke that and at same time made it easy for those privy to inside info to bet horses to lose

He didn't create ptp betting, or the concept of laying horses, he simply perfected it by combining single market liabilities, and producing a brilliant UI.

1st time thinker seems to be confused today.
It was the greatest thing to happen for ordinary punters

Ordinary…..they got wiped out you fool.

Walk around any betting ring and ask the proper bookmaker what they think of the machine as they call it…..

A lot of financial heartache and no doubt ruin,and it gets the Risen treatment instead…..

Not a shred of guilt…

Not a shred of Aceform posting his winning bets either

Can they please get rid of this dork Channing, he ruins every show he's on.

Seconded

Poor lady sitting next to him for over 2 hours is going to need therapy.

Updates on the ludicrous Affordability Checks seem to be his only contribution and as the GC totally ignore the views of people who do gamble they will continue in their desire to stop people doing what they wish with their own money

Someone might point out that eating on a chat show is not a good look. I wouldn't mind Channing so much if he did actually offer something different to the industry love in which is all the show is about. Doyle is incredibly boring to listen to - why book her? Isn't it about time Beckett was on again?

Think we managed about 3 weeks without Channing so was fully expecting the worst so switched off at 9.02,sound like I missed nothing.Luck for some reason seems determined to give him a leg up. They have some politics podcast Luck endlessly promotes.

Lots of Labour connections to rtv as far as I can deduce. When the Tory lot had power, hardly a day went past without a snide comment about the Con government. Of course, party politics hasn't been brought up since Starmer's wife was 'spotted' on the racecourse, so nearly two years. That 'the paddock' thing is linked to politics joe, same thing. And Nevison popping in to Ealing weekly to collect his pension. 'Newsboy' another raging lefty. Plus of course LH, I'd be astonished if she wasn't a big Labour supporter. Lee M also.

I suspect Mellish is more sensible but has never been political on rtv in a party sense, more of a straight speaker though. The Dixons probably similar I sense.

These people might well be public about their political persuasions on SM, but I don't use that so wouldn't know. Pretty obvious with Y8s getting his pension from the mirror.

I thought Oli Bell might be ok, but he was talking some crazy nonsense about how the racecourse doesn't look like the middle of London. tfft, Oli.

If Labour and Mr Khan were serious they would have put the boot into those Croydon ferals that ran amok in a Croydon street rampaging and stealing from food retailers eg Marks and Spencer, Greggs, etc. In America the shop owners eg Chinese and Koreans would be using firearms to protect and defend their stores.

But, the composition of the Croydon ferals is too politically valuable and racially sensitive for either the Labour Party or Mr Khan to counter head on.