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20 Feb 26
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I see there is a horse running called Constitution hill. Trained by Henderson,is this the hurdler by any chance?
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i think if it was the same one we might have heard a bit about these last few weeks.
Never watched Southwell in ma Life but widnay miss this Race fur anything.
its as good an all weather card i can remember would certainly have gone but dont fancy all the carry on with ch,and the extra press who would never dream of going on a friday night getting under your feet.
Invades invading the sport making noise and contributing almost zero.
Should be a sign up saying the circus is in town.
Should be a sign up saying the circus is in town.
I went on Wednesday and was told by a couple of employees in separate converstion that they were expecting 3000. I have a feeling that is an underestimate. I'm NOT going.
only around 500 students tonight far better mannered than the press who will be turning up.
Like finding money in the street.Fill ya boots
a tenner will not fill my boots, even if i could get on with them.Kicked me out 2 years ago.
If it bombs, which is a possibility, what do they do? Reading that they will do the right thing, but will they retire the horse after a second rate race at Southwell? It's a very ordinary race for the money. Not that much better than a jumpers Bumper.
still think they'll say there's nothing to lose going to chelt after a good blow round tonight
CH is not be going to be knocked about for sure but it would be nice to see him win it.
If he went back over hurdles and fell again, I suspect they would be pilloried. If they are just going to school him round at the back it would seem pointless running.
School him round? The Horse is there to Win anything else is a major disappointmet for all concerned.
If he wins easy don't think he will run at Cheltenham. Hope that's what happens.
Surely this is a Cheltenham prep, if Yogi has him hurdling fine at home and he goes well here he goes to Cheltenham.
The ‘ top stable rider’ should be more than capable of schooling him…..then you would know if the horse dislikes him,maybe he’s to blame for the horse losing confidence……
Not the most stylish of riders tbh…
Not the most stylish of riders tbh…
Just got a pop up on my computer from the racing post telling me 3 hours to go before constitution hill runs
Both in their prime at Southwell hurdles who wins, Constitution Hill carry 12st and SULUK 10st 1lb.
At ev would have been a lay but on the drift and might get tempted to back it if it keeps going out, it’s a real puzzler race
A couple of interesting stats for this race, CH sire Blue Bresil has never had a flat winner in GB and only one winner on AW anywhere with Acorn who won 2 races at Chantilly.
Other Stat is that Willie Mullins has never had a winner on AW in England from 9 runners, only 1 got a place.
Other Stat is that Willie Mullins has never had a winner on AW in England from 9 runners, only 1 got a place.
The "Two Bobber" never misses a chance to spout pony.
Yawn,tbh and other meaningless comments with his obligatory Nico bash
Yawn,tbh and other meaningless comments with his obligatory Nico bash
Yes fair play great viewing the crowd played there part also changed my negative view on the night wished I’d gone.
Dis Oisin look tired, or just glad he delivered, so much pressure on.
Yes noticed that alien might not have enjoyed the kiss of cohen
Feb 20, 2026 -- 7:39PM, ALIEN SEX FIEND wrote:
Dis Oisin look tired, or just glad he delivered, so much pressure on.
just another day to him...the ultimate pro
I'd say that coolness transmitted through to the horse
complete opposite of what's been happening over jumps
complete opposite of what's been happening over jumps
How many hurdles did he jump tonight??? This race told us NOTHING. Only allows the crookies to shorten him further.
Feb 20, 2026 -- 7:38PM, elise wrote:
that was just a bit of work really
Really?
He's just made a '90s-rated horse look like a seller
At 10 yrs too
Some animal that is
It was no value tonight but won impressively. A good example of how this game is a marathon not a sprint. Loads of know-it-alls at Southwell tonight, and on TV. But backing horses at 6/4 with no form for 2 years, no experience of Tapeta, drawn 12 of 14, not run on the flat, down in trip from NH by 1/2 a mile, will lead anyone to the poorhouse over the medium- to long-term.
Proves nothing for hurdling either.
If it is 6/4 or less for the Champion Hurdle I will lay it.
If you watch really carefully and in slow-mo, its draws its front legs back very quickly and, in my view, over hurdles that means one of the legs is striking the top of the hurdle before it is fully over the obstacle.
Also, consider this: Murphy has ridden over obstacles and clearly gets on with the horse. Suppose, just suppose, conections do somethiong radical and offer Muprhy the ride in the Champion Hurdle. Would Murpy run the risk of being buried by a horse with last 4 NH figures of FF0F...Nope, not with another lucrative flat season about to begin!
So, can the horse be trusted not to fall, as well as tp actually reproduce tonight's form back over the sticks?
I would bet 4/6 it fails in the attempt.
Proves nothing for hurdling either.
If it is 6/4 or less for the Champion Hurdle I will lay it.
If you watch really carefully and in slow-mo, its draws its front legs back very quickly and, in my view, over hurdles that means one of the legs is striking the top of the hurdle before it is fully over the obstacle.
Also, consider this: Murphy has ridden over obstacles and clearly gets on with the horse. Suppose, just suppose, conections do somethiong radical and offer Muprhy the ride in the Champion Hurdle. Would Murpy run the risk of being buried by a horse with last 4 NH figures of FF0F...Nope, not with another lucrative flat season about to begin!
So, can the horse be trusted not to fall, as well as tp actually reproduce tonight's form back over the sticks?
I would bet 4/6 it fails in the attempt.
CH is 5.0 (albeit to £1)in the A/P for the Champion which suggests that nobody knows if it will run there
The Knight,if it runs at Cheltenham and allowed to stride on given confidence it’s a two on shot to destroy this lot…imo
Probably out the back as usual finding trouble with the point wanting to look good…
Probably out the back as usual finding trouble with the point wanting to look good…
De Boinville never usually has him out the back in his races.
Do you honestly think he tries to look good on the horse?
You post some rubbish.
Do you honestly think he tries to look good on the horse?
You post some rubbish.
The "Two Bobber" spouts nonsense on a daily basis,penzance.
Possibly his stupidest remark was that,"Nico looked terrified" at the last fence on Jonbon at Ascot.
A cretin of biblical proportions
Possibly his stupidest remark was that,"Nico looked terrified" at the last fence on Jonbon at Ascot.
A cretin of biblical proportions
penzance 21 Feb 26 11:13
De Boinville never usually has him out the back in his races.
Do you honestly think he tries to look good on the horse?
You post some rubbish.
Did you watch him on the good thing last week……dreadful ride…
As the greatest jockey once said let them stride out and get them under pressure……
De Boinville never usually has him out the back in his races.
Do you honestly think he tries to look good on the horse?
You post some rubbish.
Did you watch him on the good thing last week……dreadful ride…
As the greatest jockey once said let them stride out and get them under pressure……
Let's be honest about it,they'd all like to be dreadful point to point
riders like him with the CV he's got.
riders like him with the CV he's got.
Penzance….
This is tongue in cheek thrown at anyoldiron……
But I do think the stable jockey is not grade 1 ….imv
This is tongue in cheek thrown at anyoldiron……
But I do think the stable jockey is not grade 1 ….imv
Nicolai "Nico" W. Chastel de Boinville (born 14 August 1989)[1] is an English horse racing jockey who competes in National Hunt racing.[2] De Boinville has ridden more Grade One winners than any British jumps jockey currently active.
Never let facts get in the way of a cretins opinion
Now, the owner wants to aim at the Melbourne Cup!
Got to say that this horse is being let down by his indecisinve and rather dreamy connections.
A novice on the AW at Southwell is a tremendous leap to the Melbourne Cup - one of the hottest handicaps in the world.
Also, the Aussies have become paranoid about horses being injured in the race (ask Aidan O'Brien) and do not enjoy foreign raiders taking the booty out of the country!
Hence, the horse would have to be 100% sound with every single part of its anatomy to get in the race - even if it did eventualy qualify. My bet is that, given its previous issues, it would not be allowed to run - and with form figures over jumps of ff0f, me thinks the Aussies would be desperate to find a reason for it not to run anyway - even given it is a flat race!
No, the connections are in cloud cuckoo land over this horse.
Should it run over hurdles again, fall and kill itself, racing will be held in total contempt by the mass media - so surely a campaign on the flat is best?
To me, the Norhthumberland Plate (Pitmen's Derby) at Newcastle is an obvious target. Tapeta again and a race where class horses carrying very big weights do have a good record.
One final question, though.
Given how it won so well on Friday, why was a campaign on the flat over long distances never considered three or fours years ago? By now, it may have risen to Group Class on the level and amassed considerably more prize money.
Got to say that this horse is being let down by his indecisinve and rather dreamy connections.
A novice on the AW at Southwell is a tremendous leap to the Melbourne Cup - one of the hottest handicaps in the world.
Also, the Aussies have become paranoid about horses being injured in the race (ask Aidan O'Brien) and do not enjoy foreign raiders taking the booty out of the country!
Hence, the horse would have to be 100% sound with every single part of its anatomy to get in the race - even if it did eventualy qualify. My bet is that, given its previous issues, it would not be allowed to run - and with form figures over jumps of ff0f, me thinks the Aussies would be desperate to find a reason for it not to run anyway - even given it is a flat race!
No, the connections are in cloud cuckoo land over this horse.
Should it run over hurdles again, fall and kill itself, racing will be held in total contempt by the mass media - so surely a campaign on the flat is best?
To me, the Norhthumberland Plate (Pitmen's Derby) at Newcastle is an obvious target. Tapeta again and a race where class horses carrying very big weights do have a good record.
One final question, though.
Given how it won so well on Friday, why was a campaign on the flat over long distances never considered three or fours years ago? By now, it may have risen to Group Class on the level and amassed considerably more prize money.
Unfortunately you don't own the horse,The Knight.
The Owner has the right to chose when and where CH runs and I suspect he will be at Cheltenham.
He has been in the game for many years and is a thoroughly decent man,ood luck to him.
The Owner has the right to chose when and where CH runs and I suspect he will be at Cheltenham.
He has been in the game for many years and is a thoroughly decent man,ood luck to him.
Given how it won so well on Friday, why was a campaign on the flat over long distances never considered three or fours years ago? By now, it may have risen to Group Class on the level and amassed considerably more prize money.
Probably for the same reason any classy hurdler in the past hasn't, because it's a jumps horse with connections wanting to scale the heights in that sphere.
Imagine, how strange it would have seemed to every one concerned if the moment the horse crossed the line in the Supreme and the owner was posed the question as to next years champion hurdle and he replied, No I don't think so, he's a superstar, well run im on the flat from now on.
Probably for the same reason any classy hurdler in the past hasn't, because it's a jumps horse with connections wanting to scale the heights in that sphere.
Imagine, how strange it would have seemed to every one concerned if the moment the horse crossed the line in the Supreme and the owner was posed the question as to next years champion hurdle and he replied, No I don't think so, he's a superstar, well run im on the flat from now on.
uptheirons...he may well be a decent guy and, naturally, it is up to him where to go with his on horse. BUT, that does not mean he should not be pragmatic with the animal.
What I really hope he does is closely, and I mean closely, think about what would happen if the horse ran in the Champion Hurdle and god forbid, fell and was either killed or badly injured. There was enough fuss on Friday night about the horse, so Cheltenham and the Champion Hurdle will see the world's media very highly focused on the race.
If something untoward happened, the consquencves for the spoprt would be dreadful. And that is what I hope the horse's connections realise because everyone in raciong does have an obligation to the sport as a whole.
Anyway, the horse has already done the business over hurdles, so why not a flat campaign where it might be able to prove itself at very high levels all over again? I cannot see the Melbourne Cup being realistic, though.
But, all aspectds of lifer in the UK now seem ruled by emotion and not praticality, so I suspect this might not be any different!
What I really hope he does is closely, and I mean closely, think about what would happen if the horse ran in the Champion Hurdle and god forbid, fell and was either killed or badly injured. There was enough fuss on Friday night about the horse, so Cheltenham and the Champion Hurdle will see the world's media very highly focused on the race.
If something untoward happened, the consquencves for the spoprt would be dreadful. And that is what I hope the horse's connections realise because everyone in raciong does have an obligation to the sport as a whole.
Anyway, the horse has already done the business over hurdles, so why not a flat campaign where it might be able to prove itself at very high levels all over again? I cannot see the Melbourne Cup being realistic, though.
But, all aspectds of lifer in the UK now seem ruled by emotion and not praticality, so I suspect this might not be any different!
I suspect that Buckley and Hendo will make a decision this week and not be swayed by "the bleeding hearts" who think it is their right to dictate to an Owner.
I hope that it doesn't run at Cheltenham because I couldn't Back or Lay it
I hope that it doesn't run at Cheltenham because I couldn't Back or Lay it
Uutheirons,
Well, either the connections haved bowed to the 'bleeding hearts' or have taken the pragmatic view of risk against reward with the reputation of racing as a whole well up in their list of considerations. But most of all they have done what they think is BEST for the horse. Good on them.
With respect, it is very unfair for you to start insulting those of us who have long appreciated the bigger picture of C Hill in relation to falling at Chelthenham again and the sport taking a huge battering if it was injured or killed. It riles me that there are so many on this forum who want to be insulting the moment anyone puts up a view that does not agree with theirs.
As for 'the right to dictate to the owner' Sorry, that is tripe. Expressing a well-thought out opinion is not dictating to anyone. If people are not allowed to that, then we do not have a democracy anymore.
I also note you did not want the horse to run in the CH because 'you could not back it or lay it'. I really do not get that. At 66 years old I still do not know what to do over a lot of things in life but that does mean I do not want them to take place!
Now, to end, here is a further thought about C Hill. As you say, totally up to the owner what to do with the horse but he and Henderson surely need to think a bit more about a flat campaign based around Group Races and possibly the Melbourne Cup.
The horse is a nine year old and, in the normal scheme of things, will not have that much improvement left in him. I wil be surprised if its improves enough to beat at Group level one or two other, but younger, horses from the top stables.
Thus, what we might see is the horse run up a string of placed efforts on the flat before possibly nicking a low class Group 3 or Listed later on in the year. I do not want to see that with a horse that used to be so good over hurdles. So I implore its connections to go down the handicap route and aim the horse at the Pitmen's Derby.
In that race, it would carry a big weight but it is a race where staying stalwarts of the past have done exactly that when winning. Also, the race is run on Tapeta, which the horse is now very proven on going by its Southwell win.
C Hill was a brilliant hurdler but those days are gone now. Hence, let's see if it can be equally good on the flat - but in races it has the most chance of winning. It is called being pragmatic, not being a 'bleeding heart'.
And as for why was it never tried on the flat when younger. Well, I am still curious about that. Was its breeding, or its demenaour, or something else, that made the conections aim for a NH career. Of course, perhaps the owner just prefers the jumpers and so wanted to go over hurdles from day one. Agreeing with you how it is the owner's right, I would totally get that. And it succeeded, but now a different code of racing beckons.
I wish them well with the horse and hope it does win a Group Race - which is one for the anoraks on here. Has a champion hurdler ever gone on to then win at Group level on the flat? I am too lazy to go through my Timeforms annuals to see but Sea Pigeon springs to mind as a possible?
Well, either the connections haved bowed to the 'bleeding hearts' or have taken the pragmatic view of risk against reward with the reputation of racing as a whole well up in their list of considerations. But most of all they have done what they think is BEST for the horse. Good on them.
With respect, it is very unfair for you to start insulting those of us who have long appreciated the bigger picture of C Hill in relation to falling at Chelthenham again and the sport taking a huge battering if it was injured or killed. It riles me that there are so many on this forum who want to be insulting the moment anyone puts up a view that does not agree with theirs.
As for 'the right to dictate to the owner' Sorry, that is tripe. Expressing a well-thought out opinion is not dictating to anyone. If people are not allowed to that, then we do not have a democracy anymore.
I also note you did not want the horse to run in the CH because 'you could not back it or lay it'. I really do not get that. At 66 years old I still do not know what to do over a lot of things in life but that does mean I do not want them to take place!
Now, to end, here is a further thought about C Hill. As you say, totally up to the owner what to do with the horse but he and Henderson surely need to think a bit more about a flat campaign based around Group Races and possibly the Melbourne Cup.
The horse is a nine year old and, in the normal scheme of things, will not have that much improvement left in him. I wil be surprised if its improves enough to beat at Group level one or two other, but younger, horses from the top stables.
Thus, what we might see is the horse run up a string of placed efforts on the flat before possibly nicking a low class Group 3 or Listed later on in the year. I do not want to see that with a horse that used to be so good over hurdles. So I implore its connections to go down the handicap route and aim the horse at the Pitmen's Derby.
In that race, it would carry a big weight but it is a race where staying stalwarts of the past have done exactly that when winning. Also, the race is run on Tapeta, which the horse is now very proven on going by its Southwell win.
C Hill was a brilliant hurdler but those days are gone now. Hence, let's see if it can be equally good on the flat - but in races it has the most chance of winning. It is called being pragmatic, not being a 'bleeding heart'.
And as for why was it never tried on the flat when younger. Well, I am still curious about that. Was its breeding, or its demenaour, or something else, that made the conections aim for a NH career. Of course, perhaps the owner just prefers the jumpers and so wanted to go over hurdles from day one. Agreeing with you how it is the owner's right, I would totally get that. And it succeeded, but now a different code of racing beckons.
I wish them well with the horse and hope it does win a Group Race - which is one for the anoraks on here. Has a champion hurdler ever gone on to then win at Group level on the flat? I am too lazy to go through my Timeforms annuals to see but Sea Pigeon springs to mind as a possible?
anyoldiron will comeback with abuse The Knight,it’s all it knows…..
A horrible strange individual imo.
A horrible strange individual imo.
.... Obviously banned previously for slagging off everyone he comes in contact with, not the actions of a " Winner " on here imo.
There was no insult The Knight merely my views on owners being pressured by others.
Even cretins like Aceform are entitled to their view although I refuse to speak to the Two Bobber.
Glasgow should worry about his ow business
Even cretins like Aceform are entitled to their view although I refuse to speak to the Two Bobber.
Glasgow should worry about his ow business
Anyoldiron caught with breeks at the ankles when he mentioned one a day the aceform way….
That particular headline was years ago….
Anyoldiron appears to be a member in 2025……comedy gold….
That particular headline was years ago….
Anyoldiron appears to be a member in 2025……comedy gold….
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