Chief singer

Incidentally he was intended to make his debut at ripon but it was waterlogged so made his debut in the Coventry stakes and the rest is history

An exceptional horse trained by Ron Sheather.
What sort of certainty at Ripon

I think his sp was around 25/1 in the Coventry wouldn’t have been that in the exchange era

He was 20/1 but many bookmakers at Royal Ascot reported that the winner had "taken the book."

Finishing second in the 2000gns to El Gran Senor, in front of Lear Fan and Rainbow Quest was a great performance in hindsight but the style of his win in the St James Palace so impressed Richard Baerlain that next month he deserted Habibti, who was reckoned to be unbeatable in the sprint division.

It was a brave call because Chief Singer was dropping back two furlongs but he had wicked acceleration. Was about 10/3 that day.

Was ray " lovely horse " Cochrane the jockey?

I was there that week at Ascot when he won the Coventry, and no I did not back him.

Second again

Was you there the year before when horage won the Coventry?

No Jimnast I was not there that year. I have bad memories of Horage the next year when I remember having a big bet on Tolomeo to beat him in the ST James Palace stakes.

I was there when he won The July Cup .Terrific horse , great looker strong ,robust.

Sorry to bring up bad memories second again the reason I asked was they day horage won the Coventry the evening before Argentina surrendered the falklands so just wandered if you were there to enjoy the magnificent atmosphere.

was at Ayr for Horage first time out, was all the rage beforehand and no wonder!! remember Matt McCormack saying that he'd brought him to Ayr because it was one of only a few courses where you could get decent money down!! I remember those days well although as a student/first job etc I was betting small stakes, there would be 3 sometimes 4 rows of books, at least a dozen per row, in front of the stands and as with most courses, but particularly Ayr, pre-exchange there were significant variances in prices and scuttling between the rows to get 17-2 on a 7-1 shot etc. very rarely happens nowadays and moving the books to the parade ring IMO was a bad move but I suppose I'm guilty of aiding and abetting because about 80% of my bets, even when going racing, would be online

Good morning Gordon there’s been some good 2yo make there debut at Ayr Celtic swing probably the best

Incidentally 4th that night next time out won the gimcrack Celtic swing himself on his next outing beat the brilliant singspiel 8 lengths.

yes Jimnast Chilly Billy beaten 1/2 then wins Gimcrack at 12s next time out!! it was the MO for that stable though.....
shame that Celtic Swing didn't have more runs but 2nd in a Guineas and French Derby win not all that shabby.

Saville named a horse after a sporting life headline regarding Celtic swing

shamardal too made his debut at ayr - won by about a furlong

chief singer was a great horse - el gran senor was my favourite but chief singer rainbow quest lear fan rousillon etc brilliant horses and the best indicator to el gran senor’s greatness

Each time I watched the derby I still think he will beat secreto

A magnificent horse maysoon

jimnast...yup, loved El Gran Senor.

But when you watch the Epsom Derby you can see how Eddery was frightened the horse would not get home over the 12f, so hung on to him - as it turned out a fraciton too much.

In total contrast to how he won the Irish Derby when connectiopns had realised the horse did indeed get 12f so Eddery let him go inside the final furlong to collar the leader easily. Had he been ridden the same way at Epsom he surely would have won that DFerby, as well.

Sad that in both 1984 and 1986 (Dancing Brave) the best horse failed to win the best race in the world.

And also jimnat...I was at Ascoot the day news broke about the Falklands. Wacthed a news show standing next to Boruigh Scott and he turned to me and sasi 'you know what, young man, to be born an Englishman is still to win first prize in the lottery of life' (an old quiote from Rudyard Kipling).

45 years later, can we still say the same thing?!!!

even as a young punter I tended to look for value against the hotpots (I remember tipping Touching Wood ew in Derby to guys working locally on the massive oil pipelines all over NE Scotland and getting thoroughly pissed with them the week after!) and I was on Secreto thinking it would place at worst.  Very strange to think that Vincent's son David trained the winner as he probably had less than 30 winners in his whole career!

Sakhee could nearly fall into the dancing brave el gran senor category the knight although he was beaten by an absolutely top class one.

45 years on I still think I won the lottery sadly not sure those born more recently or those yet to be born an Englishman will think the same.

jimnast--yup to both of those points...

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