Andrews 2026 Lay/Racing Thread

Good morning Guys,

Many thanks for the posts (at least the sensible ones) appreciated.

A good day for the thread yesterday with both lays mentioned beaten, Ashfoora (9/4) at Sandown who finished last of 9 and Likedbymike (15/8) 3rd of 5 at Naas. Constitution River won and the one that went down was the EW outsider Classic who didn't get a clear run 2f out, but wouldn't have won from where he was anyway. Pat Dobbs decided to go in between runners at the 2 pole, but that avenue closed; a better one was to the left, also he was slightly hampered a furlong out, but i'm not in the habit of critiquing jockeys.

My afternoon was really all about a particular favourite of mine, Constitution River and i was reasonably confident beforehand, at least in the context of a G1. He looked superb in the paddock, a large framed scopey sort, relaxed, although a glint of sweat below the saddle cloth. His stablemate Flushing Meadow set a fast pace, in fact the 2f and 3 furlongs show sub-11 second sectionals when he was 6L-7L clear. CR travelled well in the race and although briefly held in off the bend 3f out, Ryan simply moved out approaching the 3f pole and went past Gethin with ease. At the 2f pole i was shouting for Ryan to press the button and he duly obliged with his customary good turn of foot, the race was over from that point winning by 3L. He put in the fastest sectionals at 8f and 10f, with only 0.4 between him and the runner up at 9f.

If we wanted to be pedantic it wasn't a strong Eclipse and a small field at that, but he can only beat what's there. Nevertheless, how he travelled in the race, went past the front group with distain and in a time that was easily fastest on the day at 2.57 seconds faster than standard, clearly shows he's still an improving 3 year old and in my opinion the best middle distance horse in his age group. Timeform agree, raising him to 128.

There will be those that crab the performance, and would even if Ryan stopped at the furlong pole to sign autographs before continuing on to win, it's in their nature and will continue until he does lose in order to say 'i told you so' and massage their own ego.

Is he a superstar as the RP mentions ? a definitive no, at least not yet, but if he goes to York and wins against Ombudsman and Calandagan, then mops up a couple of champion stakes, then the accolade may be warranted. I never buy into the hype from the trainer, but i totally understand he's the spokesman of the best thoroughbred breeding operation there's ever been, or likely to be. Say what you like about him, but the records he's setting are simply phenominal, there will not be another like him.

On to this afternoon, typical Sunday afternoon fayre, although there is a class 3 handicap at each of the domestic meetings. Further afield, Calandagan will be at short odds to redeem his glowing reputation in the Grand Prix at Saint Cloud, a race he won in 2025. I expect him to win, but will not be backing him, instead i will play 3 places on one of my favourite French fillies, Aventure (currently 7/1 with the books) on here. She never gets the credit deserved, but in 15 runs, only twice out of the first 3. A G1 winner and runner-up in an Arc. Very genuine, always runs her race and has a good turn of foot. On form, she can't beat the favourite, but she can place.

I rarely have large bets after a decent win the previous day anyway unless it's a festival where i really fancy something. CR wasn't my largest bet this year (Diamond Necklace was) but no reason to try and win even more today. I don't fancy anything strongly anyway, although i do have a potential lay post selection that i will post separately if i decide to with it.

Timberman

WD with the bets.

Trusty

Don't put yourself down, you have made valid contributions on my threads over the years, as well as others. I agree there are are several posters who do so equally, these are the ones i read, i rarely read others. I'm not on here from dawn to dusk, with food taken intraveneously to save time anyway, i have a professional and social life outside of the forum, but this is what the poster got upset over (italics).

Andrew-In-Sweden • June 15, 2026 7:44 AM BST
Pink Panthera (Each Way) Treble @ 50/1
Inis Mor (Each Way) Treble @ 30/1
Elvis found alive (Each Way) Treble @ 500/1

Just waiting for the last leg and i can retire, although not sure what constitutes the place though

I had a sarcastic/humourous pop at the aftertiming and i wasn't the only one; the guy is obviously fragile.

Slickster

You are correct, Big Boosey is a gelding, but i noticed the error and corrected it in a post at 11.58. I made two other errors as well, but one was simplay typing.

The SP was 20/1 and on here i know he was 28 (not 38 as i posted) and 30 for the win and 3.95 for the place. How i know is obvious.

I also stated the sire of Constitution River was St Marks Basilica, this is incorrect, it's Wootton Bassett. I type by memory, unless it's sectionals that i obviousy don't carry in my head each day, sometimes i get it wrong, as simple as that.

Good luck and have a nice Sunday all.

For my troll, i have no idea what bet you are referring to, but as a final post on the matter, here is part of my post (in full) from Saturday June 20th 09.59 (in italics).

In the G1 Jubilee stakes all eyes will be on the Australian sprinter Jolistar who is possibly the best over there and certainly in form, unbeaten this year with a hat-trick of wins at Randwick including a couple of group 1's. We've seen several decent sprinters come over from Australia and win at RA, Black Caviar the best of them and there's no doubt Jolistar is very good, but i also think we tend to overate them on occasion. She's not even highest rated in the field that is not a bad one, never raced outside of her home country, has to acclimatize and will Ascot actually suit. With exception of Flemington, 6f sprints in Australia race over a bend and in 3 runs there has only won once. i'm not suggesting she can't win on a straight track of course (she did) but there are several factors that backers at 6/4 need to consider before lumping on. I laid last night at slightly higher odds, but a risk nevertheless.

One i feel could outrun double figure odds (currently 24 for the win) is the French trianed Sajir who won a G1 beating Lazzat last year. Won a G3 at Chantilly LTO, consistant and rarely runs a poor race. Even 4/TBP pays 3.8 on here.

My account statement shows i laid Jolistar the previous evening, and again at 08.41 and 11.14 on the morning. I backed Sajir at 10.37 and 11.31 at odds of 28 and 30 respectively. The horse opened 18/1 on course and his SP was 20/1, exactly as i stated. At the time i posted he was 24 on here. I also backed the 4TBP at 11.04. I do not post BS or exaggerated claims on here. This conversation ends here.

Afternoon Andrew . Wondered if you had any thoughts on the German derby ? Only picked up that it was on from Luck on Sunday as the card doesn't seem to feature  on the usual websites-is the racecourse worth a visit sometime?

For anyone interested, there is good racecard downloadable at https://www.galopp-hamburg.de/sites/default/files/paragraphs/file/rennprogra...

Long day with first race 11.14 (European time) and last race 18.25

Hi Manoleeds

Yes i went though the Derby field (14.43) last night, albeit not in great detail as BF don't cover it, but the shops do. I look at German racecards for the big races and have been to München-Riem several times, i even saw a future Arc winner there once. The only course in Germany i've gone to, but i want to see Baden-Baden one day, it's the Ascot of the country.

Hamburg racecourse is a turf, oval (not slow bends like Chelmsford) like many tracks in the country. Right handed, generally flat with a 2.7f furlong home straight. Over 12f, a middle draw is preferred, low is a slight negative.

As for the race per se, the 3 times group winner and likely favourite is Gostam (i backed at München) who has to be considered after his run in the Prix Jockey Club at Longchamp behind Constitution River. He wasn't disgraced by any means but is probably better with a bit of cut in the ground. Drawn in 20, same as the winner Palladium last year. The RP states the going will be soft, i can't comment on that, but like England, Germany has experienced a lot of hot weather recently, even in the North, although it's more temperate now.

The one i like, but not betting on, is the the only non-German runner Bay of Brilliance trained by Ralph Beckett who finished 4th at Epsom, but prior to this had won the Lingfield Derby trial. He will need to be alert at the off as he's drawn in 6. One who could run well at a decent price (20/1 in a couple of books) is the lightly raced Loucas who was 3rd in the 2000 Guineas, but has never run over the trip before.

I follow the local racing, but nowhere near the extent of the French racing scene that i love and wouldn't have a clue in the handicaps etc.

Good to see you and your wife in Ireland earlier this year.

Good luck if you play.

For those without racing channels and are interested, you can watch the livestream here (commentary in Deutsche of course)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82JStvqs1WI

Hi Andrew. I'm always interested in your thoughts on French racing so keep going regardless of the aggro. I don't agree with you on the big handicaps though (my favourite type of race). I've also got Becket's horse in Hamburg. Good luck to all.

the german derby form hard to equate but ive had a couple of smallish  ews 4 places on cheifland 40/1 and abacus 50/1 good luck all.

chiefland 2nd  win woulda been nice but ill take that .

Tommy

Thanks. I understand your liking for the big handicaps, many do and of course the odds are often rewarding, even with the places.

I prefer pattern races simply as the form is more consistant and reliable, additionally it's assumed that the majority are there to win. Alan Potts has mentioned on here before that backing at evens is simply winning a stake on the next bet, a valid point of course, and at those odds you need a high strike rate, although i don't always back at such short odds. I also have favourites that i tend to follow, Aventure who runs later a typical example, but for much higher stakes, the likes of Diamond Necklace and Constitution River to name a couple, but one i want to follow as well is the AOB trianed filly Alpha.

I think Beckett's runner took a detour via Cologne he was so far back

Foyleswar

WD with the 2nd place. The runners were all over the place after coming to the other side after the bend, but they often do that at Hamburg.

Thanks for the write up . That the winner was 84/1 says  it all . Wd with the second FW.

No lay post selection (these count for my P/L) but one i thought could get beaten at short odds is Fringall **** 4.00 Market Rasen.

Won easily LTO, but 3 of the fences were omitted in the straight due to low sun, so a total of 6 were dolled off, leaving 8. Not many got into the race and the favourite jumped like a pig. If he could replicate his August 2024 form, he could make all and run these ragged, but can he. A 7lb penalty, conceding weight and up to class 3 will make it more difficult; hopefully no low sun.

Only 3 runners and to my eyes, a tricky little handicap, i certainly would want to be lumping on the favourite at 2.16. Obviously a very risky lay, if he gets into a rhythm with his jumping (not always the most fluent) he could have this won a couple of fences from home, but i'm not sure he will.

cheers guys and good luck.

You’ve some front to call anyone a troll when you’ve come onto threads just to give your sarcastic snide remarks.

As you haven’t been to the Ascot thread where I asked you a simple question.

So I’ll ask again based on what you said.

Andrew-In-Sweden • July 4, 2026 11:44 AM BST
Finally i posted this on 27th June (12.25)

I will not be commenting on the race again whatever the response, it's pointless as the poster will simply keep on to prove he got the upper hand. He didn't.

It appears i was correct in my assumption; however just to put the record straight to his assertion that the horse was not 20/1, i suggest he reads the form with better lenses. At no time was he 8/1 or 12/1. The SP was 20/1 and on here i know he was 38 and 30 for the win and 3.95 for the place. How i know is obvious.

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Again how much would you like on this statement here @ Even money?

The SP as I’ve said was that because he drifted, horses that play up at the stalls tend to do that!

Now are you certain that, “At no time was he 8/1 or 12/1.” ??

Because by saying that you’re making out that I’m incorrect by either lying or talking rubbish.

Go away you Autistic,potless cretin and stick to your own threads

Good evening Guys,

The lay Fringall D*ke (5/6f) finished 2nd of the 3 runners, it's always nice to get a shortie beaten, even more so at odds-on. Jumping to the right didn't help his cause and there were 6 more fences to jump this time as i pointed out.

The usual run-of-the-mill meetings in the early part of the forthcoming week, so it's almost certain i will not be backing anything, but there could be a lay or 2. Failing that, i will not be posting, that is actually more often than not during the week these days.

The Debenhams July meeting at Newmarket starts on Thursday, so once again we shall be seeing more of the Ballydoyle stars, but it's too early to look at the entries of course.

I've already made arrangements for my next course visit, the Qatar Goodwood festival that starts on 28th, although i arrive in London on the morning after and will go then and possibly the 30th for the Sussex and Nassau stakes respectively, hoping to see Bow Echo and Diamond Necklace (if she runs). One of my favourite UK flat courses after Ascot although i haven't been since the Nassau in 2023. In August i plan to go to York if Constitution River runs in the Juddmonte that will be some race if the main 3 are declared.

In the football tonight i've layed Brasil HT/FT, but i'm not playing or watching the England game. It's very difficult to predict the outcome of the latter, but the longer the game goes without Mexico being in front, the much better our chances will be as the hostile crowd become impatient. I have a feeling we will qualify that will p*ss off Germans on the Aerospace complex, hence subjected to some banter from yours truly, something Mastercard can't buy.

Have a nice evening all.

Coral cut Sajir to 10-1 (from 14) for the Jubilee, a race in which he was withdrawn by the starter after giving trouble in the stalls 12 months ago.

Next time you want to call someone a liar or whatever make sure that your facts are RIGHT.

You bottled putting your money down to match your mouth.

F/O Tard

wots going on hear pleese
wach the race again

Delbert is asking people to bet with him but he has no funds,greg

That's some assumption bubbles is it not.

Not at all,Dickster.
The potless pince has been on here for 15 months and cannot post a bet (a bit like you).
Perhaps he is too shy and modest

Good Morning Guys

[i]In the football tonight i've layed Brasil HT/FT, but i'm not playing or watching the England game. It's very difficult to predict the outcome of the latter, but the longer the game goes without Mexico being in front, the much better our chances will be as the hostile crowd become impatient. I have a feeling we will qualify that will p*ss off Germans on the Aerospace complex, hence subjected to some banter from yours truly, something Mastercard can't buy.

A good result for me and Norway, who really played well and thoroughly derserved the win. I felt sorry for my daughter (and her Brasilian mum) but it was never a given for Brasil to win anyway.

As for England, i didn't see the game, or have a bet, but what a cracking result against a formidable team at the Aztec and with 10 men after 54 minutes. I will certainly have a fun day winding up some of the Germans on the AirTech complex later.

Coral cut Sajir to 10-1 (from 14) for the Jubilee, a race in which he was withdrawn by the starter after giving trouble in the stalls 12 months ago.



Assuming you didn't type the words yourself out of spite, if correct, it's obviously an ante post quote days in advance. My bet was placed on morning of the race as already mentioned umpteen times, but to reiterate :

My account statement shows i laid Jolistar the previous evening, and again at 08.41 and 11.14 on the morning. I backed Sajir at 10.37 and 11.31 at odds of 28 and 30 respectively. The horse opened 18/1 on course and his SP was 20/1, exactly as i stated. At the time i posted he was 24 on here. I also backed the 4TBP at 11.04. I do not post BS or exaggerated claims on here. This conversation ends here.

Refer to these links

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/racecards/2026-06-20/royal-ascot/racecard/915246/queen-elizabeth-ii-jubilee-stakes-group-1

https://www.irishracing.com/odds-comparison/Sat-20th-Jun-2026/Ascot/1540

https://www.irishracing.com/racecards/Sat-20th-Jun-2026/Ascot/1540#top

Check the odds comparison link, not one bookmaker offering anything under 17/1, most are 20/1 and even a 25/1 in a place with NO movement

You've been here since April last year, 14 months and made close to 8800 posts, circa 630 a month/160 a week ! Do you never go out ? You've actually made 23 posts/rants on this thread just to prove you are correct, but have failed miserably. I stated earlier i would not be commenting on the race again whatever the response, it's pointless as you will simply keep on to prove you got the upper hand. You haven't. This is defintely my last word on the topic.

You’re a mug I’d said in my post here he was that price AP.

Now learn some manners MR not so clued up!

Assuming you didn't type the words yourself out of spite,

To think that I’m as petty as your bitter self!

What a joker!

Refer to this link:

https://www.racingpost.com/news/reports/i-know-hes-a-champion-he-can-quicken-very-strongly-goliath-back-on-song-and-ready-to-take-aim-at-royal-ascot-awC0v8k864hO/

Scott Burton
France correspondent
Published on 31 May 2026inReports
Last updated 19:04, 31 May 2026

Coral cut Sajir to 10-1 (from 14) for the Jubilee, a race in which he was withdrawn by the starter after giving trouble in the stalls 12 months ago.



Andrew-In-Sweden • July 4, 2026 11:44 AM BST
Finally i posted this on 27th June (12.25)

I will not be commenting on the race again whatever the response, it's pointless as the poster will simply keep on to prove he got the upper hand. He didn't.

It appears i was correct in my assumption; however just to put the record straight to his assertion that the horse was not 20/1, i suggest he reads the form with better lenses. At no time was he 8/1 or 12/1. The SP was 20/1 and on here i know he was 38 and 30 for the win and 3.95 for the place. How i know is obvious.


Yes the SP was 20/1 as said he drifted!

Drifted ?

At 09.59 on Saturday morning of the race when i posted my selections, he was 24 on here, want me to post my bet ? Completely deluded.

Good Afternoon Guys,

Pushed for time, so a quick post as we have a decent Newmarket meeting to look forward to over the next 3 days, more my type of betting, although i’m not backing any of the short priced favourites later. If a gun was put to my head and i had to choose one, it would be Rebels Romance with less questions to answer and a credit to connections at 8 years old.

One i will be playing EW is the 3 year old, Ed Dunlop trained Starmade in the Heritage handicap (15.00). Lightly raced, 6 runs (2-1-2 ) and ran well at Royal Ascot LTO when finishing 5th of 27 runners coming from way off the pace over 5f. That was a good field with 6 runners rated 100 or over, this afternoon only 1. Up in trip to 6f, but has won and been placed over it, so no issues there, in fact, it could be a positive, as is the going. Has a tendency to be slowly away, but generally races from the rear and has the ideal jockey for this tactic.

Best priced 12/1 with the books, but 17.0 for the win and 3.40 for 4/TBP on here, i think he could surprise.

Good luck all.

Thank you ANDREW

Its best to ignore the Autistic,non betting loon Delbert,AIS.

I have been similarly seduced to have a bet on Sterling Knight in the last, also trained by Ed Dunlop with Frank Spencer on board. Must be mad but horse won the race 2 years ago off 90 and is off 91 today. 40/1 first four is too tempting. Could have been drawn lower but Frank will hold him up so can shuffle him over and come with his customary late run or just fizzle away out the back, you never know!

Despite going right after the break and having to go back left and then further left to get through, Frank managed a 3rd place with a smoother run you never know! Returned 33/1.

Good evening Guys,

Many thanks for the posts, a wasted 5 minutes of typing earlier that didn't even deserve the thank you from Lampus . Never looked like winning and no excuses, other than he raced on the near side from stall 3 with only 2 others, so no cover at all. Not good enough on the day, simple as.

Rebels Rommance won, but i didn't back it.

WD Trusty, a nice return at the odds.

It clearly drifted didn’t it, the odds that I spoke of were available and they are the odds discussed on the TV Betfair prices rarely are.

You were wrong he did drift big time but then others knew that the horse wouldn’t like the stiff 6f @ Ascot unlike you!

The horse who’d beaten him time fair and square Stolen Kiss was offered at 66/1 whilst your selection was 12/1.

Great tipping!

You could even back Stolen Kiss at 40/1 and 33/1 on the day of the race but you recommended a twice beaten adversary at half the odds!

Now that’s deluded!

Perhaps Delbert would like to have a bet on whether the Curragh 12F is stiffer than Epsom !2 F as he stated?
What do you want on ?

Chester vase Winner, nice Irons!

Rico-Dangleflaps 06 May 26 15:37
i think winner will take the beating in the derby

Keep quoting a mistype and forget the rest of the post that was correct unlike Andrew or yourself ever!

Never mind your usual bullshat,Delbert.
How do you want on to back your opinion?

https://www.racingpost.com/news/reports/i-know-hes-a-champion-he-can-quicken-very-strongly-goliath-back-on-song-and-ready-to-take-aim-at-royal-ascot-awC0v8k864hO/

Scott Burton
France correspondent
Published on 31 May 2026inReports
Last updated 19:04, 31 May 2026

Coral cut Sajir to 10-1 (from 14) for the Jubilee, a race in which he was withdrawn by the starter after giving trouble in the stalls 12 months ago.


”At no time was he 8/1 or 12/1.”

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Oh dear it was and he never saw the drift on the morning!

Again was it one of your lays?! Putting up horses with no chance to earn from?

I will stand you an even 5K if you actually can prove funds (a Trillion to one for the unfunded loon)

I’d of gone 10 on the bet that I put forwards but you both declined to answer, which with hindsight was a good job for you both!

That would be a no then,Billy Bullshatter'
You haven't got a funded BF A/C,have you.
Please prove me wrong

Still not seen you in the vase thread

Have no idea why anyone would suggest what you have or a users age as you have done!

Delbert remains au unfunded,fantasist poster.
In all my years of betting I have yet to meet a person that only bets in doubles,you cretin.
Who was the bet with

Scott Burton
France correspondent
Published on 31 May 2026inReports
Last updated 19:04, 31 May 2026

Coral cut Sajir to 10-1 (from 14) for the Jubilee, a race in which he was withdrawn by the starter after giving trouble in the stalls 12 months ago.

Are you for real ? You backtrack, and now all of a sudden odds of 10/1 were Ante Post, posting a cherry picked quote from May 30th, 3 weeks before the race. My bet was made on morning of the race (June 20th) and i posted 3 screen grabs showing odds on the day were 20/1 (BF 24 at time of posting with highest matched of 30 (not by me). I reiterate my stance he was never 8/1 or 10/1 on the day, or the previous, and i know as i laid Joilestar then. I don't give a toss about odds 3 weeks in advance.

As for your ill-judged comments with respect to 7f, he's run over the trip 6 times. He won over 6.5f on 2 year old debut at Saint Cloud, won by 5L in listed class over 7f Chantilly, 3rd in a G3 (7f) and runner-up in a G3 (7f) behind a 4 time group winner, both at Longchamp. Those wins were on relatively flat tracks, although Chantilly is not a billiard table, there's a climb in the straight before it levels out 150 metres from the line. To suggest we doesn't want 6f at Ascot is nonsense, only one of his 7 wins was over the minimum 5f. The Ascot 6f track is stiff, but closer 6.5f elsewhere, nowhere near 7f as you mentioned.

He was entered for the 6f QEII/Jubilee race twice, but withdrawn on the day last year as he played up in the stalls. He’s also won at Newmarket over 6f, an undulating track. Has an entry in the G1 Prix Jacques Le Marois over a straight 8f at Deauville on August 16th, although this doesn't make him a definite runner of course, but maybe you should contact Andre and ask him wtf is he doing as you appear to know more about the horse staying 6f at Ascot than him.

I find it bemusing, almost odd that a poster has a pop at another for putting up a horse selection at odds of 20/1 EW (5 or 6 places) that had form lines to suggest he could go close to winning using the close finisher in 4th as a form line (beaten 0.5L) calling it a mug bet after the race (not before). To crab the 4th home, an improving 4 year old (0-1-1-1 in 2026) who was going for a 4 timer devalues form of the best sprinters in Australia and Japan as well as a very progressine one from our shores. With your interpretation of form data and figures, i'm glad you are not my accountant.

Your claims have turned into an unhealthy obsession, 35 posts on this thread alone (God knows how many on others) one of them even a ttt to gain even more attention and force your erroneous opinion, arguing that Black is White when it clearly isn’t. As mentioned previously, you have failed miserably. On here from dawn to dusk, you really need to get out more.

Good morning Guys,

An early post as i will be out most of the day and later this evening going to a fan zone to watch England v Norway.

Some half-decent domestic cards today, but no Parisian meetings although there is a G1 at Deauville tomorrow where winners of the Newmarket 1000 Guineas and Longchamp 2000 Guineas meet. I was at the course for the latter (a good day) and i know which one i would prefer to be on although he's dropping in trip.

On to this afternoon, the feature race at Newmarket is the 6f G1 July Cup (16.35) that sees the return of Japanese challenger Satono Reve with a debut ride for French jockey Chris Lemaire although he's based in Japan these days. Ignoring KA Yang Rising who is almost unbeatable, one of the best sprinters around, winner of over £4.5 million, albeit never won outside his home country. This could change today, but it's a quality field and very open.

On the same card, The Bunbury Cup looks a tricky handicap as you would expect and although not my type of betting medium i often out one up as an EW play. Two Tribes is my selection on this occasion, he won a similar Heritage Handicap over CD off a mark of 90 last year. Has risen in the weights as a consequence, but won off 95 and 102 since, the latter at Meydan. Been off the boil in his 3 previous rins off higher, but now back to 103 with Oisin on board. Currently odds of 12 on here and will probably be around 3 for the 4/TBP market (liquidity poor at the moment).

At Ascot More Thunder who i saw (and backed EW) at Newbury finishing runner-up to 2024 Guineas winner Notable Speech drops down in class to contest the G2 Summer Mile (14.27). Much improved and running consistantly well; probably not a G1 winner in future, but deserves to win this afternoon. The inside draw is a minor concern in context of his odds (a tad over evens on here) but he generally races from off the pace anyway and unless he finds trouble i feel we will see his usual late run and go on to win. If i do play today, it will probably be this one, but certainly not heavy.

Good luck and have a nice Saturday all.

Thanks for your opinions Andrew.

Thanks Andrew.

Thanks Andrew, you have to love horse racing. I had decided before your posts to lay Satono Reve at 3.5 and lay More Thunder at 2.18. Like you I think both will run good races but with very fine margins likely to decide the actual outcome, I thought both were short enough to oppose.

I have backed True Test New 2.15 and Thaluna Asc 4.45 both have favourable stats that I look for to play. GL.

Thank you ANDREW

I have found a good guide to find the doughnuts/fantasists/idiots on here is to see how many posts they have per day.If they average over 10 a day , that pretty much tells you that they spend more time on the forum, than in the formbook. Delashay's nearly 9000 in 16 months is about 55 a day EVERY day.Tells you all you need to know !

Good morning Guys

I typed a lengthy post, but moderators want to review it, absolute nonsense, it was simply a summary of yesterday and my poor selections with another for Rayif at Deauville this afteroon !

I'm out today, but in the event they do not post it, will try late tonight.

That's ridiculous Andrew, yet they allow non racing topics on a racing forum. The worlds gone mad.

ttt

Good Morning Guys,

PHS, thank you.

EMR, agreed, it's becoming a joke and so ridiculous even forum nap competition settlers had issues posting daily tables earlier in the week. I agree with Salmon Spray who suggested the moderators are actually AI. I doubt there's any human reviews at all with exception of when a poster is reported and even then depending on what the report consists of. There must be a data processing alogorithm that picks up on specific abbreviations, words or topics deemed to be offensive for whatever reasons, pre-determined by forum developers. It wouldn't be so bad if any offending part was simply deleted and rest of the post allowed, but it's so annoying after typing for 30-40 minutes then see the dreaded 'moderator review' message, as in my case on a couple of occasions recently.

Irrespective of this, the forum has been slowly sliding into oblivion for several years and sensible debate has been replaced in part with sniping or bickering and a few that need their ego massaging with clearly (and laughable) edited attempts at posting purported bets. Another poster shouldn't be allowed out without adult supervision, but no names as i could be reported.

Many decent posters can't be bothered any more, or have moved on to other discussion outlets where this is much less of an issue. I rarely look at forum topics these days unless there's something specific that catches my eye, i prefer to see who the author is and there's still a good few that i read, including several who post on this thread. I also prefer 'real' racing people, some of whom are no longer with us or have stopped posting for various reasons, Smirnoff and Analogues Daughter spring to mind, but there are those that are really knowledgable and make interesting contributions (including anecdotes from the past) who are still here including Jimnast, Screamingbeneathewaves, Brigust1 and Workrider to name just a few. The Anorak (Alan Potts) is another who often posted here and is missed. George B's yearly thread is also worth a read and at least he posts a P/L.

I will try again to split some of my last Sunday post in sections, if only out of curiosity to see what happens, then a short post covering the past week and this afternoon.

Good luck and have a nice Saturday all.

Sunday 12th Post (still under moderator review )

Good morning Guys,

Thank you for the posts, appreciated.

Not much to say about my post yesterday, 3 poor selections as it turned out (although one outisder in the handicap) and hold my hands up. The other two were races where form was turned around, the winners finishing behind the selection LTO.

It wasn't Cieran Fallons' finest hour on More Thunder at Ascot, but i rarely have a pop at jockeys. Tom Marquand was at Newmarket, but whether he would have won is debatable, he was a bit keen, a slow pace (i was hoping Zeus Olympios and Seagulls Eleven would go off faster) and it turned into a 2f sprint. I wouldn't give up on More Thunder, maybe back to a straight track next, his finishing 2f sectionals were very good.

As for the favourite in the July Cup, i was surprised he made the early running. Still in front 2f out, was headed by a few and ran on strongly again to snatch 3rd, but was never going to catch the winner who was impressive.

As mentioned yesterday, if i was going to play anything it would only be More Thunder and not heavy and that's how it turned out (100 win). I was out with friends in the city, a few beers and putting the world to rights, as you do and didn't watch any racing at all.

Seems like poor racing for a Saturday. A couple I had my eye on are nr's, leaving not much of interest.

Sunday 12th Post (still under review )

Not much to say about my post yesterday, 3 poor selections as it turned out (although one outsider in the handicap) and hold my hands up. The other two were races where form was turned around, the winners finishing behind the selection LTO. I rarely have a pop at jockeys, but TM was at Newmarket and whether he would have won is debatable, he was a bit keen, a slow pace, i was hoping the front 2 would go off faster and it turned into a 2f sprint. I wouldn't give up on More Thunder, maybe back to a straight track next, his finishing 2f sectionals were very good.

Another day where it will be no racing for me today, instead a dad and daughter bonding time; these occasions seem to get less as she gets older and with a boyfriend in tow, but totally understandable. We're off to Kaltrenberg Medieval festival and Knights Tournament in the Castle grounds, a yearly event and one of the biggest in the world running from July 10th to 26th. I've been before, it's superb, but my daughter hasn't, hence a surprise for her. Any description wouldn't do it justice, but there are many YT videos of it.

https://www.ritterturnier.de/

Sunday 12th

Trusty

WD with the lays (and the place) there were valid reasons for them, but as you intimated, It's all about opinions and that's what makes the sport os interesting.

Good luck and have a nice Sunday all, i certainly will.

Andrew, you are 100% spot on, it's a shame really that so many good posters have gone from here. As for AI it's scary how it can stop freedom of speech, if it's NO it's NO full stop.  Anyway,, have a nice day with your daughter Andrew, because that's more important than betting and life is too short.

Good afternoon All,

I gave up trying to post the rest of my Sunday 12th post, but i'm flummoxed as to why it's still subject to review. Never mind, on to mid-week and this afternoon.

Tuesday evening at Longchamp featured a trio of group races, a couple of them won by raiders from England and Ireland in Maltese Cross (William Haggas) and Sons and Lovers (Joseph O'Brien) respectively, both in a photo, each winning by a head. I guess the question on many lips is will MC go to Doncaster for the Leger, in my opinion no, even though his strong finish suggested 14f may suit, but i feel he has too much speed and should stay at 12f. We will see.

In the other group race, Francis Graffard continues to have a wonderful season (39% strike rate) and won the G2 Prix Du Mallerat with the unbeaten filly Behrayna (4/4) showing a good turn of foot. Of course the Arc was mentioned post race, no surprise there (it had been before) but FG has a stable full of Aga Khan 3 year-old fillies, he seems to introduce a different one every month. She could be anything of course, soft going and trip will not be an issue, but in my opinion Diamond Necklace is the better of the two, although she hasn't raced over the trip yet. The latter gets a chance to show she's the best in Europe with a first run in England at Goodwood later this month (i will be there). If she wins the Nassau i think she may take in the Yorkshire Oaks and how she performs there may provide an indication if she goes to Longchamp in September and/or October.

Our filly Lady Of Clover is on the easy list, enjoying freedom with a short break before returning in early August. Her stablemate Bay City Roller will not go for the KG next Saturday due to the envisaged going.

Changing sport, England threw away an opportunity to play in the WC final (those letters actually describe it) a disappointment to most, me included. I mentioned to those on my WhatsApp group i would go to watch the final in a London sportsbar somewhere, at least i could be amongst 'my own', although there was a lot of support from both nations at 'Backstage' in München, without the beer throwing antics that often occurs in fan zones.

I would probably have gone to Newbury this afteroon if i had gone over, although the card is only so-so in my opinion.

On to racing this afternoon, i think the best shortie at odds-aganist may be Confucious in the G2 Railway Stakes (16.00) even though he finished behind Immortal Guard LTO, although he was a bit keen. Heavily backed that day and Ryan keeps the faith. Having said this, he's not one for lumping on by any means, there is no such bet today, but i think he wins.

No Hertitage handicaps in England this afternoon, but there is an equivalent in Ireland with a Premier handicap (14.50). I thought Keke had a shout, but top weight of 10st is a challenge and conceding 9lb to Dark Ace will not be easy. Consistant in recent runs winning 3 of his previous 8 and placed in all, only once in 4th. Won over 5f, but better suited to 6f to my eyes, watch for him come with a late run to pick them off (or not as the case may be).

A shortie i thought could be laid is Warby (currently 2.4) in the opener at Ripon (14.05) even though she's receiving 8lb from the top weight Quillan who i feel is the better (RPR disagree) and won in a decent time on debut. Considering Ripon is local to Tim Easterby, his strike record there is only 10.1% in the previous 3 years. A front runners course and i think Warby will lead, but give way late on to Quillan who may turn out to be better than class 4.

PHS i agree with the meetings today.

EMR thank you, my Dad and Daughter bonding day was last Sunday (i re-posted) and it was superb time.

Good luck and have a nice Saturday all.

Good Morning All,

The lay of Warby (6/5jf) who finished 3rd and mention of the winner Quilan in the opener at Ripon was a good start to my post yesterday, but Confucious (11/10f) was disappointing at the Curragh. I expected him to be closer to the pace, although he made very good headway between the 2f and 1f poles, came to challenge, but didn't find much and faded to finish 3rd. Probably one to avoid until he steps up in trip, entered for the Irish Futurity and National stakes both over 7f, so lets see. I gave a mention to Keke in the Premier handicap (4th @ 20/1) saying it had a shout, but can't really claim this as i also put up Dark Ace who finished down the field.

On to this afternoon, typical meetings domestically, although the NH card at Stratford is not too bad, but group races in Ireland, France and Germany, although we can ignore the latter as there are no UK runners or markets on BF anyway.

Nothing jumped off the page looking at the Curragh card, but the biggest cheer will be for the very popular 9 year-old Big Gossey if he can win on a course he loves and excels on. Has to be one of the most loved sprinters over there. In the finale, jumping fans will be surprised to see the 8 year-old Solness running in his first flat race conceding 11lb to a field of 3 year olds.

Chantilly is the quality meeting with 3 group races and a listed class, but Goffs must be very disappointed with only 3 runners turning up for the G2 Prix Papin (12.58) a race steeped in French racing history with such winners as Blushing Groom, Arazi and Devine Proportions to name a few from bygone years.

A couple of the entries are from the same Irish stable and looking at name of the other trainer with an entry, Amy Murphy, you could be excused for thinking she's also from the Emerald Isle, but in fact she's English and moved across the channel 9 years ago after working with Nicky Henderson and Luca Cumani with a spell in Australia. She looks to have a good chance with 3 time winner Tokaido (including Listed and G2) of beating the odds-on favourite who won the 6f Windsor Castle at RA. Top rated (105) using converted French figures, but behind on RPR, it could be tactical and stepping up in trip will not be easy, but i will play a small win.

I posted earlier this month that several guys in our syndicate, including myself, have a contact in a high profile French stable (no prizes for guessing who, i mention it often) we actually met him/her (to protect identity) a couple of years ago. I'm not suggesting we get tips, we don't, or ask for them, but i communicate via WA and met him/her at the Guineas meeting over there last year where he/she gave me and a fellow poster free stand tickets, so i get to pick up some information before the general public probably does. Going back in time, he/she mentioned a 2 year-old filly to follow, Cankoura who subsequently won a couple of races and again as a 3 year-old, but has only run twice in 2026, finishing runner-up each time. Runs this afternoon (13.33) and could win; SMP has a runner in the field, the Swedish owned (Kirten Rausing) Alla Stella, but i don't want to back Cankoura at the odds.

One i will play assuming he's not silly odds, is the FG trained Erdenali in the G3 Prix Messidor (16.35) yet another quality 3 year-old off the Aga Khan production line who is unbeaten in 3 runs, but steps up to group class, mixed aged and in a decent field. Silius is a good yardstick and if the favourite wins will certainly go on to better things. Has a very good turn of foot.

If there is a lay in UK maybe Amidst The Chaos at Redcar (15.53) is a potential selection, but as i plan to have a stay at home afternoon i may post one later.

Good luck and have a nice Sunday all.

Good morning All,

Having to split my post due to the continuing moderator review nonsense.

The lay of Warby (6/5jf) who finished 3rd and mention of the winner Quilan in the opener at Ripon was a good start to my post yesterday, but Confucious (11/10f) was disappointing at the Curragh. I expected him to be closer to the pace, but made very good headway between the 2f and 1f poles, came to challenge, but didn't find much and faded to finish 3rd, probably one to avoid until he steps up in trip. Entered for the Irish Futurity and National stakes, both over 7f, so lets see. I gave a mention to Keke in the Premier handicap (4th @ 20/1) saying it had a shout, but can't really claim this as i also put up Dark Ace who finished down the field.

On to this afternoon, typical meetings domestically, although the NH card at Stratford is not too bad, but group races in Ireland, France and Germany, although we can ignore the latter as there are no UK runners and no markets on BF anyway.

Nothing jumped off the page looking at the Curragh card, but the biggest cheer will be for the very popular 9 year-old Big Gossey if he can win on a course he loves and excels on. Has to be one of the most loved sprinters over there. In the finale, jumping fans will be surprised to see the 8 year-old Solness running in his first flat race conceding 11lb to a field of 3 year olds.

Chantilly is the quality meeting with 3 group races and a listed class, but Goffs must be very disappointed with only 3 runners turning up for the G2 Prix Papin (12.58) a race steeped in French racing history with such winners as Blushing Groom, Arazi and Devine Proportions to name a few from bygone years. A couple of the entries are from the same Irish stable and looking at name of the other trainer with an entry, Amy Murphy you could be excused for thinking she's also from the Emerald Isle, but she's English and moved across the channel 9 years ago after working with Nicky Henderson and Luca Cumani with a spell in Australia. She looks to have a good chance with 3 time winner Tokaido (including Listed and G2) of beating the odds-on favourite who won the 6f Windsor Castle at RA. 

Top rated (105) using converted French figures, but behind on RPR, it could be tactical and stepping up in trip will not be easy, but i will play a small win.

I mentioned earlier this month that several guys in our team, including myself actually have a contact in high profile stable (no prizes for guessing who, i mention it often) we actually met him/her (to protect identity) a couple of years ago. I'm not suggesting we get tips, we don't, or ask for them, but i communicate via WA and met him/her at the Guineas meeting Longchamp last year where he/she gave me and a fellow poster free tickets, so i get to pick up some information before the general public does. Going back in time, he/she mentioned a 2 year-old filly to follow, Cankoura who subsequently won a couple of races and again as a 3 year-old and was , but has only run twice in 2026, finishing runner-up each time. Could win this afternoon; SMP has a runner in the field, the Swedish owned (Kirten Rausing) Alla Stella, but i don't want to back Cankoura at the odds.

One i will play assuming he's not silly odds, is the FG trained, Erdenal in the G3 Prix Messidor (16.35) yet another quality 3 year-old off the Aga Khan production line who is unbeaten in 3 runs, but steps up to group class, mixed aged and in a decent field. Silius is a good yardstick and if he wins here will certainly go on to better things. Has a good turn of foot.

One i will play assuming he's not silly odds, is the FG trained, Erdenal in the G3 Prix Messidor (16.35) yet another quality 3 year-old off the Aga Khan production line who is unbeaten in 3 runs, but steps up to group class, mixed aged and in a decent field. Silius is a good yardstick and if he wins here will certainly go on to better things. Has a good turn of foot.

If there is a lay in UK, maybe Amidst The Chaos at Redcar (15.53) is a potential selection, but as i plan to have a stay at home afternoon i may post one later.

Good luck and have a nice Sunday all.

Not permitted to post the rest

3rd try (edited)

Several guys in our team, including myself actually have a contact in a high profile stable (no prizes for guessing who as i mention it often) we actually met him/her a couple of years ago. I'm not suggesting we get tips, we don't, or ask for them, but i communicate via WA. Going back in time, he/she mentioned a 2 year-old filly to follow, Cankoura who subsequently won a couple of races and again as a 3 year-old, but has only run twice in 2026, finishing runner-up each time. Could win this afternoon, but i don't want to back Cankoura at the odds.

........ and if Erdenali wins here, will .....

several guys in our team, including myself have a contact in a French stable, we actually met him/her a couple of years ago on one of our trips, so i get to pick up information (not tips) on occasion. Going back in time, he/she mentioned a 2 year-old filly to follow, Cankoura who subsequently won a couple of races and again as a 3 year-old, but has only run twice in 2026, finishing runner-up each time. Could win this afternoon but i don't want to back her at the odds.

Amy Murphy trained in Newmarket for over 8 years before moving to France in Feb 2025!! hth

Correct, i completely misread an article, apologies

Tokaido won easily and looks a half decent 2 year old.

Good Afternoon All,

A profitable thread yesterday (and for my wallet) with almost a full house.

Tokaido (7/4) beat the original odds-on fav easily enough (SP 11/8) in the G2 opener at Chantilly and may be going to York next month, albeit not the Gimcrack for which he is quoted at 10/1, instead the class 2 Half Million By Goffs sprint over 6f. If declared, he will be carrying top weight of 9st 9lb in what will undoubtedly be a large field where the draw could play a part. Good luck to connections, but i know which race i would go for if i was fortunate enough to own him.

Cankoura duly won as expected down to Listed class, but i was never going to back at the odds-on (4/11). The lay selection Amidst The Chaos (2/1f) finished a well beaten 5th of 7, and only Erdenali prevented a clean sweep with an unlucky 3rd in the G3 at Chantilly. Trapped on the rail behind a wall of runners in the home straight, he had nowhere to go from the 400-metre pole and had to wait for an opening that only came about 50 metres from the line when he accelerated, but time had run out, beaten a neck and short neck. Of course, fingers will point at Michael B for being in that position and up to a point rightly so, but that's racing and he has to be ridden from the rear. C'est la vie.

I noticed quite a disparity in the PMU odds with industry SP's for a few races.

The KG this weekend, but almost certainly without my attendance, although i will be at Goodwood for Wednesday and Thursday next week, albeit the former is subject to my arrival in the morning, any significant delay may mean i simply can't get to Goodwood in time. York is also on the cards in August, but only if Constitution River runs in the Juddmonte, although i don't expect him not to and is dependent on my workload then anyway (i work freelance). I will be returning home to Linköping, Sweden for a long weekend either the week before, or after York, and our filly could be running in early August so a few periods of travelling. Mind you, if it's any of the midlands tracks for her i doubt very much i will attend, i still haven't fully recovered from Yarmouth.

Nothing I fancy today, not even a fun bet, at least to back, but if there is a lay this afternoon, Kientzeim at Cartmel (16.12) is a one to play. Ex-Nicky Henderson and winner of a couple of hurdles, but needs to show improvement from his only run over fences. Dropped a couple of pounds, but still high enough on 119 and this field looks decent for the class. I actually thought his stablemate Passing Diamond had more chance, but for the winner i prefer the top weight Dunkerque, but we don’t need to find the winner.

Good luck and have a nice Monday all.

Thanks Andrew and well done.

Thanks PHS

My lay selection, the JPM owned Kientzeim ridden by Harry Cobden opened at 7/4f on course (a tad lower at 13/8 earlier) but steadily drifted to a SP of 11/4 after support for his stablemate Passing Diamond who jumped well, made all and won cosily. Kientzeim was never closer than 3rd (of 4) in the race and 5 fences out layers were probably counting their winnings even this far out. PU 2 fences fom home, well behind, no real excuses, but you sense she's not in love with chasing.

I should be putting these up as lay posts for the P/L that would look considerably better.

Have a nice Monday evening all.

Lay Post

Arctic Thunder - 19.51 Salisbury

A 4-year-old Night Of Thunder gelding trained by Ed Walker in Lambourn.

19 runs with 2 wins, one on the AW; thereafter the other at Ascot in May 2024.

Appears to have lost his way a little since Autumn of 2025 and a couple of placed efforts in class 3. Has generally raced over 6f and 7f, but only on 4 occasions over this evening's mile trip (never further) with form figures of 4-0-0-0 (the 4th place was in a 5-runner field).

Has never run at Salisbury, that is not what you would call a stiff mile exactly, although the home straight does incline steadily throughout.

His best form appears to with good or good/soft in the description, will he find the ground a bit lively. Has run off marks between 81 and 92 over time, albeit rangebound between 83 and 86 in 7 previous runs. The handicapper has relented a little and he runs off 81, but i feel he needs to drop a few more pounds.

Has been backed and i was surprised to see him short (6/4 with some) but is it bookies favourite, the drop in weights or has he been working well at home.

A tricky handicap with only 4 runners that could get tactical (maybe Oisin will make the running) and a field separated by only 7lb and even less on RPR (4 lb). Any of the 4 could win, but i'm content with the lay reasoning.

Lay @ 3.0

Good luck all.

How wrong can you be, i got that one hopelessy wrong. Now i know why it was well backed earlier (drifted this evening).

Good morning All,

A few decent meetings today, more my type of cards from a betting perspective with pattern races at 3 meetings including group fields at a couple, there's even a graded 1 in Argentina for the die-hards.

Pride of place is obviously the G1 KG & QEII stakes at Ascot (15.35) a race steeped in equine history, the best in Europe open to both sexes that allow geldings. The roll call of winners is an alamanc of racing greats with far too many to mention, my favourite possibly being Mill Reef. There have also been a few very good winners that tend to be overlooked when discussing this race including the unbeaten Lammtarra with Frankie on board (who went on to win the Arc) and the German trained Novelist who i think still holds the race record, the guru's on here may correct me.

In bygone years, Epsom Derby winners targeted this race, it was almost an envisaged program, looking at results from 1970 to 1999, there were no less than 18 x 3-year old winners, in fact during the 70's there were 8 alone (Dahlia won twice) but since turn of the century there has been a different train of thought. From 2000 to present, only 6 x 3-year olds have won as opposed to 14 x 4-year olds, with only 1 x 5-year old on the list, something Calandagan backers should consider, although i don't bet on stats, at least not this one.

It's a good field (of 9) as you would expect with runners from 4 countries, 4 of them from AOB that will no doubt increase the number of posts on the forum. As mentioned several times, i do not have an issue with this whatsoever, it would be a poorer race without them and considering a stable of over 200 horses, many of them group class, there are simply not enough races for them all. Even the best stable in Europe has a couple of runners today.

So what wins, in my eyes Calandagan with 2lb and upwards clear on ratings (3lb by TF) although the 3-year old Benvenuto Cellini receives 11lb that is a lot to concede; he's certainly not an 'old boat' or 'slow boat' as oddly described by a couple of posters, even if he doesn't win today.

Calandagan is ultra consistant with a 10-5-1 record from 17 races, won this race last year, has a good turn of foot almost Frankel-like that is able to keep accelerating and has a good record on course. I don't see AOB winning from his 4, but he could get a place, or possibly even 2, as could trainer of the favourite.

The Japanese runner has to come into the reckoning, but take out the favourite and any of 5 could win. Lambourn will make the running with Action close up (assuming no slow start) to ensure a decent pace that will actually suit many in the field, although i hope the favourite is not too far back. I've already backed him, but in the 2TBP market @ BSP for a few bob.

If there is lay in the field, i would go with Benvenuto Cellini in the same 2TBP market.

It's Saturday, so yet another Heritage handicap, but anyone who follows my selections is probably living off Universal Credit. Not my type of race to have a bet, but the bottomweight Amazing Journey is a tentative 4 places EW selection. although he does have a tendency to start slowly. All 4 wins were over 6f (7f today) but he stays on strongly and won going away on the course LTO.

As for a lay selection eslewhere, i think the 3-year old filly Elmakaya (15.55 Gowran Park) is one to consider, i feel the Aga Khans from this stable are often overbet. Although there isn't a strong bias in the draw here, a low stall is a slight advantage due to proximity of right hand bend and she's only raced on left hand tracks. Has run well at Naas twice, although this is more of a galloping nature than Gowran Park with tight turns.

Good luck and have a nice Saturday all.

Surprised you haven’t mentioned Goliath Andrew tbh….only a 6 year old and still able….

Best horseman in the saddle….

Thank you ANDREW G/L

FOTR

I did mention Goliath, albeit indirectly

I don't see AOB winning from his 4, but he could get a place, or possibly even 2, as could trainer of the favourite. The Japanese runner has to come into the reckoning, but take out the favourite and any of 5 could win.

I like both the French horses, but i don't think Goliath can win.

Agree Soumillon is good, but i also like MB and Maxime Guyon as well as Aurelian Lematire, but the latter is not having such a good year.

Cheers Andrew.

A narrow escape on the Place bet,AIS.
Nevertheless,well done.
You will be amazed to know that Delbert aftertimed the KG winner

Two very wise 2TBP bets/lays there Andrew, WD

Good Morning All,

Thanks for the posts, appreciated.

A good day yesterday, in fact 100% on my post in one aspect (bets) including the Heritage Handicap winner, it seems the last one i had was probably ridden by Scobie Breasley .

Amazing Journey (4/1) started the ball rolling and may have been the best backed runner of the day, 7/1 with the books when i posted (bigger on here) and bigger the day before. The first leg of a treble on the day for Saffie, always in contention on the far side, a different scenario to recent races where he has dwelt at the start. Improved steadily throughout the season and was 5lb well in off a mark of 90, so the handicapper will be looking at closer to 98 on Tuesday.

In the KG & QEII, Calandagan ran well enough but was simply beaten by a better one on the day, reversing the 1-2 in 2025. I don't think it was a case of the filly improving, more so the favourite didn't find as much as maybe expected. Paddock reports stated he looked OK in his coat and was fit, but not as athletic looking as last year. Having said that he still had the best final 2 furlong sectionals and finishing speed at 100.07%. On this showing Kalpana has a decent chance in the Arc, but as often in this race, it depends on the draw. She had no chance in 2025, nor did another decent filly in Aventure for the same reason.

Benvenuto Cellini stayed on well close home to finish a close 3rd to at least give some indication with depth of the 3-year olds, but AOB has a better one at home in my opinion.

As mentioned, i played the 2TBP on Calandagan and laid the Irish runner in the same market, so a good result. To wrap up the afternoon, the lay selection at Gowran Elmakaya drifted from 9/4 (shorter in the morning) to 3/1 on course and was uplaced.

On to this afternoon, only a couple if domestic meetings and i don't fancy anything, backing or laying.

Internationally, there's a G1 race at München (Riem) in east of the city, so i will go as i often do for the few group traces throughout the year. I'm meeting our filly's trainer, George Scott who runs the likely favourite Wimbledon Hawkeye at lunchtime for the Bayerisches Zuchtrennen at 14.10. The horse moved to George from James Owen/Wathnan racing recently and is making debut for new connections this afternoon.

10 runners, but only 4 locally trained, the remainder from England and Ireland. It's a decent field, but not a particularly strong GI and quite open. The German entries don't look good enough to win, the best of them may be the 3-year old filly Santagada who was 3rd behind Aventure at Longchamp in May (albeit beaten 3.5L). It's not an easy race to digest, 7 of the 10 are rated 120 or higher on RPR, with Wimbledon Hawkeye the classiest, 1lb below Hotazhell. George is no stranger to München, he won the G1 there in November with Bay City Roller and has a decent chance today if his runner can repeat his Ascot run behind Map Of Stars at Ascot LTO. The latter was actually runner-up in this race last year behind Tornado Alert with Oisin on board, who rides Wimbledon Hawkeye. Unless, in an unlikely event George tell me his runner is a good thing and to lump on, my bet will probably be a 100 max place on Silawi who has ran in some quality races recently including winning a G1 at Woodbine. Has been off a while, but he won on 2025 debut after a slightly shorter break. Currently 13/2 with the books, but only tote on course and no market here. I'm actually only going for the afternoon out as opposed to betting.

Not many will be interested, but for those that are, the meeting is broadcast live (Deutsche commentary) on YT or Deutscher galopp.

https://www.deutscher-galopp.de/gr/themen/livestream/

Uptheirons

Thanks, but i'm not getting embroiled with the mentioned poster. Racing debate is fine, but being overly argumentative stating Black is White when it clearly isn't, is not for me. His MO of C/P racing media articles and trainer quotes is also fine, but cherry picking after the race and purporting to win using comical pasted bets isn't. As mentioned before, i have stopped reading his threads.

Good luck and have a nice Sunday all.

Awe how touching irons came running here, I suspect he followed another DUD from the OP who knows no bounds when it comes to irony.

..”but being overly argumentative stating Black is White when it clearly isn't..”

That’s pot kettle black for you both.

Bayerisches Zuchtrennen at 14.10

13:10 UK Time

Good Evening All,

A warm, but generally overcast afternoon at München/Riem racecourse yesterday with feature race the G1 Bayerisches Zuchtrennen over 10f. I met up with Newmarket trainer George Scott and an accomplice (no idea who he was) both well dressed for the occasion, George was there as he had the favourite in the race, Wimbledon Hawkeye.

A decent crowd as expected and the 'A' tribune enclosure (similar to our premier class) and VIP boxes were all sold out. I've been to quite a few of the group race meetings held there over the years, but to be honest if George hadn't attended i may not have bothered anyway, there wasn't an Alpinista, Bay City Roller or Nations Pride running at the course that i could back as in previous years.

As mentioned in my post, i thought it was quite an open field ignoring the non-German entries who i didn't think could win anyway. I backed Silawi for 3 places, albeit to less of a stake than envisaged (it was 12.9/1 for win on the tote). It was my only bet, although I watched the race preceding the big one and one after just for an interest. I rarely back in the handicaps there, i wouldn't have a clue really, i only follow the group class racing in Germany.

In the race per se, the Irish trained Hotazhell made the running from the inside draw and James Doyle rushed up Silawi to be prominent in 4th from the outside, although he was a bit keen. The order didn't change much until off the final bend when my hopes were raised with Silawi going into 3rd, but it was a very short lived effort. Hotazell stayed on really strongly after being headed by the runner-up to win by a nose with the very strong finishing Wimbledon Hawkeye 3rd beaten 0.5L. Silawi is probably still running on.

Moving on to this evening, i haven't had much chance to look at the domestic cards today, but it's the opening day of the Galway festival that runs until Sunday and one runner looks interesting, even to one who doesn't back in handicaps so often, and even then mostly to fun stakes, but i've backed the JP O'Brien trained 3 year-old filly Dancing Saxon (19.15) who looks to be thrown in, even off top weight of 10st. She's actually racing off 16lb lower than her new rating and wouldn't even be running if the race was later in the week. Her current mark of 80 will be raised tomorrow for finishing runner-up in listed class LTO, 5 days ago (had won 2 minor races on the spin prior to this). It doesn't look a strong field by any means, Joseph didn't bother putting a claimer up and it's a small handicap worth only €10,6K to the winner, so why not take advantage of the system. She's conceding a fair bit of weight to several, but those under 9st don't look much. Of course her last run may be a fluke, it was a significant improvement on her previous runs.

Mind you, all the world and his brother will be aware of the above and she will be priced accordingly, but in my opinion, odds of 2.44 are probably a steal as i expected her to be much shorter. If she wins well as i expect, it will be interesting to see if she goes back up to listed class.

Good luck and have a nice evening all.

Dancing Saxon hosed up by 4.25L @ 13/8.

BSP 3.45 - come racing

WD Andrew

Good Morning All,

PHS

Thank you. Dancing Saxon won easily (4.25L) but i was very surprised at the BSP of 3.45, i backed at a little over evens thinking it was good price as i expected the horse to be odds-on. It's rare i have more than a mid double figure EW £ bet in a handicap, but i thought she was thrown in as i mentioned (16lb well in, ran off 80 and now rated 96). A case of a group horse running in a handicap and i noticed she has been entered in a G3 at Naas later this month.

A summary of my trip to Goodwood on Wednesday that was impacted by bad travel planning/arrangments, normally i'm on the ball, although events outside my control also played a part in them. I did think to stay closer to the course, but decided to stay close to Heathrow as i often do, in fact at a hotel at Hatton Cross a couple of tube stops from T4, from there it's a Flix bus to Gatwick and a SW train to Chichester, both around a hour, so considering my arrival time was 10.30, i had time to get to Goodwood for the start if everything went as planned.

I was up very early taking a 04.38 courtesy bus to the airport and after two short flights and a transit stop arrived at T4, more or less on time, but then the first delay occured as we had to wait for a parking slot that was circa 25 minutes. After passport and baggage pick-up that didn't take so long, i took the tube to my hotel, checked in and changed clothes (dress code at Goodwood) then a tube back to Heathrow bus station. The Flix bus departed 15 minutes late, M25 traffic early in the journey made it a little longer than expected and as a consequence i just missed a train to Chichester so i had to wait 30 minutes for the next one, then i took an Uber to the course. I arrived just after 15.30, a few minutes before the 4th race. Not a big deal as my betting was only going to evolve around Bow Echo, but i paid to basically for a ticket to watch 1 race !

I met up with Simon Nott who was on reporting duties as per often, always good to chat with him, also with Kaan at Star Sports.

I actually thought Bow Echo was beaten 2f out, so did the two guys i was with (one a 'lucky' poster on here ) but fair play to the horse; that turn of foot is potent and will make him hard to beat. It was  good result for me, i had backed him AP a few days before and also with Star Sports on course. The reception was simply superb, so all the previous frustration around the travelling was soon forgotten, i didn't have another bet, but we stayed to watch the racing and had a couple of beers. It was good to see our ex-trainers, Dan and Claire Kübler win the finale and although they were in earshot, we didn't get to speak with them as they were with connections.

We went to a local pub after the racing that showed evening racing, but no bets. Later i took the reverse journey back to my hotel that actually went to plan, but it was about 22.40 when i got there and i was so tired after a very long day.

Where will Bow Echo run next, here are my thoughts posted on anoither thread to save typing.

There's only the QEII left for him in England (G1/8f) on possible soft going and zero in Ireland, so it's France or USA. France gives him a couple of options over 8f in August and September (Deauville and Longchamp) and another on Arc weekend if he steps down to 7f (unlikely). Will connections step him up in trip, who knows. Keeneland in November could be on the cards, but it's a tight oval, a short run to the bend and the draw plays a part, a double figure and forget it. What would it prove going there anyway and at the end of a long season. Will he run as a 4 year old ? I have my doubts and feel he will retire unbeaten if he stays this side of the 'pond'.

I had planned to go for the Nassau the following day, in fact this was the race i wanted to see most, but i didn't want to face another day of travelling even though it may have been without delays, so i actually watched the race on ITV in my hotel.

Bow Echo wasn't a good thing although i did fancy it strongly, but regular readers will know i'm a big fan of Diamond Necklace and she was my banker. I thought she had it won almost 2f out, although the oppostion wasn't so strong with exception of the runner-up. Hopefully she goes for the Prix Vermeille in September, it's an obvious race for her and she's won on the course. I will be there.

My only other bet this week was a small win double (loser) yesterday so a very good few days not only financially, but a few days away, good company on Wednesday as it always is with them, an English food fix and a bit of shopping yesterday. I leave this evening, although i could be back again for the Juddmonte, it depends on workload, but it's a race i really want to see, in particular Constitution River and i've never been to York.

On to this afternoon, i haven't had chance to look at the RP in detail yet, but i thought Dark Thirty in the Stewards Cup (15.00) no stranger to the course, albeit never won there has an EW squeak. Improved in recent runs, even though he is a 6 year old, winning 2 with a couple of runner-ups in 5 runs. Was a close 2nd, beaten 0.5L in a Premier Handicap LTO after winning a class 3 at Chester off 97 and is a pound lower this afternoon.

If there is a lay at the meeting, maybe Opportunity is such a candidate after winning a couple of handicaps off marks of 92 and 100 and moves up to G3 class (14.25) now upped to 110. It looks a competitive field.

Good luck and have a nice Saturday all.

Thanks Andrew.

That's a tough day, up at 4am, bed at 10:40pm!

@Andrew
From York railway station, pint in Spoons and walk through park to course. About a mile. Enjoy

Well done with Opportunity Andrew

Dark Thirty in the Stewards Cup (15.00) 15:35 maybe.

WD with Opportunity

German Oaks today; no UK runners despite £260k on offer. Seems unusual!

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