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Horses feet are as individual as any other physical part of their makeup.
Hooves are all different shapes and sizes which makes the work of the farrier so important when it comes to horses longterm soundness. THe hoof continues to grow and needs to be managed by filing back like human nails. The most difficult part of the farrier's job is to ensure that the hoof is not overgrown, this includes daily application of hoof oil by stable staff to protect against brittleness. A diet that doesn't inflame the lamination of the hoof wall yet provides a guard against brittleness is also vital because racehorses are continually being reshod and having nails inserted and removed regularly before and after races. Finding a spot to insert new nails without compromising the structure of the hoof is yet another skill that makes the farrier such a vital part of the trainer's team. As the saying goes, 'no foot no horse'. |
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Very interesting Loper. Going back to size of Tutti Quanti's feet, I recall that Aggressor had big feet. It was mentioned frequently about his feet and passed on to his offspring. They liked soft ground as well.
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Thanks, Tommy.
Yes, Aggressor seemed to have a preference for softer ground but I can't vouch for the size of his feet as, believe it or not, he was well before my time. A simple rule of thumb is basically the bigger the horse the bigger the feet, which doesn't necessarily mean the tallest, but more the biggest boned. Do you know Aggressor's vital statistics? Aggressor's career, although already pretty useful as a 2yo, was one of progression culminating in his 5yo season being his best, thus suggesting that he was a slow maturer who needed time to show his best. It's a shame that the racing historians down play his achievements because his Timeform rating of 130 and his classic winning victims in that 1960 season are not to be sniffed at. |
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Yes Loper , my riding horse was once shod by Mill House's farrier , he had a policy of allowing plenty of growth which ultimately gave mine ' atypical laminitis ' caused by a slight change in gait . From then on (with a new farrier) his hoof was drastically trimmed and no further problems from 6 to 32 when he went .
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Great to hear that the alternative farrier was able to deduce the problem sufficiently quickly, Paulo. I often think that laminitis in horses must be as painful as gout is in humans. If not resolved euthanasia is sometimes the kindest option, something that I have occasionally wished for, being a long term sufferer from gout!
32 a great innings though. |
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Loper. Sorry I have no idea of Aggressor's vital stastics. I'm sure the feet comment was true though. I seem to remember a good 2yo winning the Horris Hill Stakes in early sixties in very soft ground and commentators saying it was due to the size of his feet same as his sire Aggressor. The 2yo may have been trained by a McCormack or McCormick. Matty?. All from memory so a bit hazy. Yourself and Paulo47 are far better qualified than I am to talk about feet/hooves of horses.
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good to see a Gerry Fielden winner produce a top notch performance it was always one of my favourite races (Mighty Mogul, Large Action, Bacchanal etc) although in the 'good old days' the winners would have been handicapped out of the Tote-Schweppes (!) race. Tutti could indeed be top class and deserves an entry in Champion Hurdle, but it also reflects a sorry decline in the handicap race which used to have max field of really good horses.
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look at this list of winners and compare to last 20 years, frightening!!
1972 Comedy of Errors 5 12-00 Bill Smith Fred Rimell 1973 Lanzarote 5 11-10 Richard Pitman Fred Winter 1974 Flash Imp 5 11-06 Jeff King Ron Smyth 1975 Dramatist 4 11-01 Bill Smith Fulke Walwyn 1976 Beacon Light 5 12-00 Andy Turnell Bob Turnell 1977 Decent Fellow 4 11-09 Richard Linley Toby Balding 1978 Connaught Ranger 4 11-09 John Burke Fred Rimell 1979 Celtic Ryde 4 11-05 Martin O'Halloran Peter Cundell 1980 Pollardstown 5 11-08 Philip Blacker Stan Mellor 1981 Heighlin 5 11-08 Steve Jobar David Elsworth 1982 Royal Vulcan 4 11-00 Jonjo O'Neill Neville Callaghan 1983 Buck House 5 11-08 Tommy Carmody Mouse Morris 1984 Ra Nova 5 11-03 Mark Perrett Nan Kennedy 1985 Gala's Image 5 11-00 Richard Linley Mercy Rimell 1986 Barnbrook Again 5 11-00 Ross Arnott David Elsworth 1987 Celtic Chief 4 11-00 Peter Scudamore Mercy Rimell 1988 Kribensis 4 11-06 Richard Dunwoody Michael Stoute 1989 Cruising Altitude 6 11-03 Jamie Osborne Oliver Sherwood 1990 Fidway 5 11-06 Steve Smith Eccles Tim Thomson Jones 1991 Gran Alba 5 11-00 Graham McCourt Richard Hannon, Sr. 1992 Mighty Mogul 5 11-03 Richard Dunwoody David Nicholson 1993 Bold Boss 4 11-03 Richard Dunwoody Martin Pipe 1994 Large Action 6 10-09 Jamie Osborne Oliver Sherwood 1995 Killone Abbot 6 10-03 Jamie Osborne Jim Old 1996 Zabadi 4 11-06 Norman Williamson David Nicholson 1997 Sanmartino 5 11-06 Adrian Maguire David Nicholson 1998 Wahiba Sands 5 11-00 Richard Dunwoody Martin Pipe 1999 Bacchanal 5 11-09 Mick Fitzgerald Nicky Henderson |
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A mate of mine worked at sea with the Lighthouse boats and he came back from a trip claiming to have a red hot tip. He didn’t bet and we thought we knew better. Flash Imp, went in at 33’s. Don’t know if it was the race in the list shown or not. He enjoys reminding us!
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What a list Gordon I hadn’t realised the race had such an illustrious role of honour ,this century we have had rock and ruby ,epatante and afsoun wasn’t to bad.
On another subject are you familiar with the diggers ? |
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Hi Jimnast, yes the Gerry Fielden was a proper race, like the Castleford Chase, the Edward Whittle and several others now a shadow of their former selves, maybe Tutti will give it a boost.
I know the pub in Edinburgh, close(ish) to Hearts ground with a good selection of Malts that is called Diggers by the locals - is that it? |
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Once run by a legend known as Bill Farmer. As you walked in the door you stuck the number of fingers in the air of the pints of heavy you wanted. Once you worked your way through the throng they were almost poured. What a loss he was. Pub still there and operating I think.
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Still going strong. I'm 5 mins walk from it.
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Up in the Highlands as a kid,'heavy' on draught was always McEwans Export, bottles of Whitbread an occasional alternative, but in Lanarkshire 'heavy' is/was Tartan Special which I definitely enjoy but rarely find on tap these days. I worked at Hays Lemonade during summer holidays and we delivered beer/soft drinks all over the North East and there were a couple of pubs, majority around Aberdeen Harbour which would always take a few cases of Fowlers Wee Heavy, haven't seen that in a long long time, I think it was the 'heavy' drinkers equivalent to Buckfast!
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Diggers - The Athletic Arms. We used to call in on the way to Murrayfield for 5 nations matches in the eighties. It was always rammed. As said earlier you held your hand up with fingers showing the number of pints you wanted. It was assumed you were having McEwans 80/- from the Fountainbridge brewery. A good time was had by all. There then arose the problem of being packed like a sardine in the terraces with four pints inside you.
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That’s it Gordon athletic is it’s proper name
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All round excellent choice of drinks I was in the Thompson bar in haymarket when someone tipped it me
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I know you're a Thompson afficianado - the crowd in there would certainly know a good bar, if I'm that neck of the woods it's the Laich
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Is that the one near the station Gordon
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No it's between Gorgie and Saughton, easy walk to Murrayfield or Tynecastle. Haymarket or Ryries are close to Haymarket and the only pub near Waverley where you won't pay tourist prices is the Ticket Office (a Wetherspoons so always busy)
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It was ryries we went in on the Sunday as Thomason’s is closed on a Sunday to be fair it sold jarl for me and New Zealand wine for the other half so all happy.
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We did have a few hours in a place called the shore which was ok Gordon buy we never venture by princess street or the royal mile
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It will be interesting to see what Alexei does in the Kingwell. Tutti Quanti boosted the Welsh Champion Hurdle form. He and Alexei have improved since then. On RPR this season Alexei is 135 139 149 153. He seems to have been marked down for getting beat last time, but the run showed continued improvement and he was giving weight away to Hot Fuss and Wilfull who both went on to frank the form. In the NRNB market Tutti Quanti is best price 20/1 and Alexei is 33/1 with bet365 so I think that’s an anomaly. If Alexei bombs out on Saturday and he doesn’t take up his CH entry you get your money back. If he beats Golden Ace his price contracts. Worth a look?
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Been to murrayfield a few times and hadn’t realised how close to tynecastle it was
Regarding the kingwell I as going to say alderbrook was the last to do the double but of course golden ace did it last season, |
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All this talk of Murrayfield and Tynecastle and never a mention of Hertz winning the league.??
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they'll be an honourable second
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LoyalHoncho09 Feb 26 14:40Joined: 28 May 10 | Topic/replies: 21,239 | Blogger: LoyalHoncho's blog
A mate of mine worked at sea with the Lighthouse boats and he came back from a trip claiming to have a red hot tip. He didn’t bet and we thought we knew better. Flash Imp, went in at 33’s. Don’t know if it was the race in the list shown or not. He enjoys reminding us! That race may have been the 1973 Cesarewitch - Flash Imp won at 25/1 sp. He was a decent dual purpose horse by the look of it. Won the 1975 Grand Met as well. He did win on his 2 year old debut at Epsom in 1971 at 33/1 sp, so if it was that race your mate gave the tip in that was some inside info ! Flash Imp subsequently went chasing and unfortunately suffered a broken back in a fall at Hereford in 1978  |
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Bad result against st mirren Tommy
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Before going chasing Flash Imp came 2nd to Comedy of errors in tne 1975 C/hurdle
and the following year was 3rd to Ntght Nurse and Birds Nest. |
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Add Katchit and Hors La Loi III since Alderbrook jimnast. I remember Tommo tipping Alderbrook at 33/1 for the Champion just before the Kingwell win.
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Should have remembered hors la loi autocue not a bad overall record then the kingwell before alderbrook we had kribensis,I remember see you then pulling up when the race was on a Thursday.
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I should think thommo stills goes on about his tip
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was always a good day's racing on the thurs jim...the kingwell & the jim ford challenge cup
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Yes wonders dessie v kildimo the two best staying chasers of that period
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Here’s some f the winners
Kinloch brea Border incident Gay Spartan Diamond edge Silver buck Combs ditch The awesome Burrough hill lad Dessie Kildimo Cavvies clown Cool ground Go ballistic See more business And the final running Neptune collonges |
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you missed out my fav winner jim
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I’ll guess monsuir le cure or double thriller
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no coome hill
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I wouldn’t have guessed that wonders why is he your favourite?
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west country trained horse not 1 of the big boys...brought a crowd great atmos
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