we've had a jock sue a jock, so not impossible someone will go after the bha

LH on most courses there would be obvious places you could arrange most jumps not to face directly at the sun, fairly simple to at least reduce the issue.

surprised no one has said run the other way round

the sun in their eyes for the stars in their eyes christmas hurdle

I am amazed that stu has not been "head hunted" by Government Think Tanks

I'm amazed irons hasn't been awarded the 'avoid the subject' in his posts, for repeated times over.

I'm sure you once actually posted about the topics, rather than other posters your favourite topic.

Your suggestions are beyond laughable,stu.
Have you considered changing your posting name to,stu-pid

Keep to the topics sometimes instead of trying to be policeman on here.

As per you only refer to posters irons...it's pretty boring is all. You forgot to add form who you seem obsessed about or Greg.

I'm fairly sure you are quite good at racing, and punting, as you seem to have history - but you never post selections lays or race analysis much. I'm not sure why not.

I do get not posting selections on here, fair enough.

I'm pretty sure though, that getting personally harangued for selections, or views, on here is why most also refrain from doing that.

Fair enough.

As this thread is still active, I must ask the two questions that are never posed about this missing out of fences.

1 / Why was this not an issue in the past then?

2/ And why is it not an issue in France where the obstacles are often built into a track and cannot be shifted?

The whole issue really does demonstrate the generation gap that has developed in the UK more widely than anytime in the past.

Younger people have been brought up totally risk averse and think the removal of all risk is a must. Hence, some of the posts on here siding with the jocks.

But those of use a bit older look back to when low sun was never an issue AND are able to weigh up the risk against the reward, based on how many falls in the past were due to 'low sun'.

And, as for driving into a low sun, well coming back from Redcar last autumn I encountered a low sun problem and it was hard work for a minute or so. Riding a horse across a fence would not be fun but is this fuss made in point-to-points or when riding in a hunt?

No, jocks rule the roost here and although it is up to the courses, nobody is going to refuse a jockey request to remove a fence / hurdle.

But, I repeat, why did jocks in the past not complain?

TK, your passion is admirable.  “In the past” is not a consideration nowadays, in anything.  The contempt in which we (now) older people are held by so many of the young is resolute.  And quite remarkable.  None of your/our opinions or customs/practices hold any sway with them.  To them, we are actually “part of the problem”.
They actually seek to change/rewrite the past so “in the past” is very much that.

We have to recognise we are basically a bunch of 'old fart' blokes on here, so we aint gonna change this young modern world sadly, in many respects...

I don’t remember being that way.  Yes I thought I could change the world and yes I thought Glenn Miller’s music was naff and yes I took the p out of older folk but only with a respect that I learned from my family etc;   I remember an uncle at a New Year get together taking the p out of my platform shoes, which were dead cool ( at least I thought so ).  His words were “When I was young you only wore shoes like that if you had a club foot”.  And we ALL laughed.  He wasn’t disrespecting me, he was having a knowing laugh.  The same man came to me at my wedding reception and told me if I ever needed help I was only to ask.