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DonegalPrince
09 Jan 26 12:50
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...moved a hurdle from home straight to back straight : obvious decision reached 4 or 5 mins b4 the off (instead of a couple of minutes after the off time); wing taken out to allow no weaving in and out. Take note British officials.

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By:
wondersobright
When: 09 Jan 26 13:14
doncaster?
By:
barstool
When: 09 Jan 26 14:21
The French way is good too.
By:
formoftheace
When: 09 Jan 26 14:26
French jump racing is hideous imv.
By:
stu
When: 09 Jan 26 15:10
Often wondered why courses who are obsessed about low sun haven't used a better course design approach basically. If you don't want sun in the faces design more where the sun won't do that - we know where it is after all...
By:
Eggschipsandbeansagain
When: 09 Jan 26 15:21
Just put sunglasses on the horses, its not rocket science
By:
Busyfool
When: 09 Jan 26 15:26
dont be silly

All thats needed is to get 2 of the drones to work in tandem and hold a blanket between them and fly it in front of the sun

simples
By:
HoratioNelson
When: 09 Jan 26 15:49
Busyfool 09 Jan 26 15:26 
dont be silly

All thats needed is to get 2 of the drones to work in tandem and hold a blanket between them and fly it in front of the sun

simples




LaughLaughLaughLaugh

Will a Queen size duvet do it or would you go bigger?
By:
stu
When: 09 Jan 26 16:05
comes to something when you are actually anticipating the NHF race on the card, so you don't have to guess how many jumps might be taken...Cry
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 09 Jan 26 16:24
15.26.  Very clever.  Thinking outside the box.  Grin
By:
WolfJFlywheel
When: 09 Jan 26 18:23
Or just go about twenty years back in time and no-one, jockeys included, thought it was any sort of issue.
By:
The Knight
When: 09 Jan 26 22:56
I suspect the jocks don't think it is an issue, but they take full advantage of the namby-pamby, totally risk adverse track officials by having the obstacles removed. Easier and a bit less risky to ride a horse without jumps in the way.

However, the jocks would soon stop moaning if a £10,000 bonus was on offer to jump a few fences into a low sun!

The whole sorry business is indicative of the madness which has now engulfed UK society...
By:
uptheirons
When: 09 Jan 26 23:02
It is the Courses that make the decision not the jockeys
By:
wondersobright
When: 10 Jan 26 10:35

Jan 9, 2026 -- 10:56PM, The Knight wrote:


I suspect the jocks don't think it is an issue, but they take full advantage of the namby-pamby, totally risk adverse track officials by having the obstacles removed. Easier and a bit less risky to ride a horse without jumps in the way. However, the jocks would soon stop moaning if a £10,000 bonus was on offer to jump a few fences into a low sun!The whole sorry business is indicative of the madness which has now engulfed UK society...


wouldn't even need to do that imo

2026 riding fees:
flat £173.54
NH £235.90

risk premium for NH = £62.36 per ride

race comes up scheduled 10 fences to jump, 4 are omitted to "(low) sun" so only 6 are jumped
therefore only 60% of the NH risk premium should be due
brings the riding fee for that race to £173.54 + £37.42 = £210.96

see if their opinion changes when they remove remuneration that they shouldn't be entitled to

By:
elise
When: 10 Jan 26 10:51
It is the Courses that make the decision not the jockeys

my understanding is that the onus is very much on the jocks, has been for some time

the reason there is very late dolling is because the bha protocol is for jocks to ride to the start at race time and assess the sun situation as late as poss, therefore avoiding dolling off if they can, the course can often expect this and be ready but the final say is with the riders
By:
the dealer
When: 10 Jan 26 11:32
I have driven in low sun a couple of times in the last week or so and literally couldn't see a thing at times.
Haven't a clue if that is relevant to riding a horse but if it is, I certainly wouldn't fancy it.
By:
uptheirons
When: 10 Jan 26 11:33
It most certainly is,the dealer
By:
elise
When: 10 Jan 26 11:35
are you still driving with your eyes closed tom?
By:
the dealer
When: 10 Jan 26 11:36
By:
the dealer
When: 10 Jan 26 11:36
I'm sure those in the passenger seat would say yes
By:
elise
When: 10 Jan 26 11:39
it's the ones under your wheels you should worry about lol
By:
the dealer
When: 10 Jan 26 11:39
Grin
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 10 Jan 26 12:57
Very good point wonders 10.35 but so is the dealer’s 11.32.  I have experienced the same recently and for seconds at a time you can see nothing.
By:
stu
When: 10 Jan 26 13:13
Just design courses so the jumps don't face the fer(ing sun then, not flamin rocket science is it...?
By:
stu
When: 10 Jan 26 13:14
or at very least so that most of the jumps don't - exeter yesterday was so stupid - whole long straight of jumps facing directly into the sun all avoided (though some didn't face directly either, but hey ho, let's just not jump them as usual...)
By:
wondersobright
When: 10 Jan 26 13:56

Jan 10, 2026 -- 11:32AM, the dealer wrote:


I have driven in low sun a couple of times in the last week or so and literally couldn't see a thing at times. Haven't a clue if that is relevant to riding a horse but if it is, I certainly wouldn't fancy it.


we're not talking about genuine low & blinding sunshine, we're talking about things like the warwick boys race last year & that farce on welsh national day when hurdles were omitted in the 2nd race simply because the sun was out

a completely different issue to what you have posted here

By:
wondersobright
When: 10 Jan 26 14:00
in some instances the jockeys are taking the rise with it to avoid risk of getting hurt
yet they are gladly taking a full riding fee

it's 1 or the other imo not both
By:
uptheirons
When: 10 Jan 26 14:02
Would any of the complainers care to ride one into a fence with low sun?
Give it a rest
By:
wondersobright
When: 10 Jan 26 14:02
and I think if the reduced fee came in we'll see obstacles removed only when its legitimate
By:
wondersobright
When: 10 Jan 26 14:04

Jan 10, 2026 -- 2:02PM, uptheirons wrote:


Would any of the complainers care to ride one into a fence with low sun?Give it a rest


like the 2nd race on welsh national day?

By:
uptheirons
When: 10 Jan 26 14:14
EMail the BHA with your questions/suggestions
By:
elise
When: 10 Jan 26 14:18
riding fee doesn't just cover the race
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 10 Jan 26 14:24
So stu, we will run the Grand National over a straight four miles two plus, going away from the sun?  Yeah?  The finish will be where?  Southport?
By:
wondersobright
When: 10 Jan 26 14:24
its the NH premium I'd be deducting so even if all obstacles omitted in a NH race riding fee would still be £173.54
By:
wondersobright
When: 10 Jan 26 14:27
don't give them ideas loyal they'll be arguing for low sun in april if give them an inch
By:
Busyfool
When: 10 Jan 26 14:28
utter bollox from so dim

what if some of them dont want to miss a fence? give them full whack but not the others?

if the jocks want to jump every obstacle but the racecourse dolls fences off anyway should they be penalised?
By:
wondersobright
When: 10 Jan 26 14:31
you think they all agree now kinfool?
By:
wondersobright
When: 10 Jan 26 14:31
Laugh
By:
elise
When: 10 Jan 26 14:33
i understand the point about has it gone too far& the sport has gone soft as have many others, but they are going to go the safe route simply to avoid getting sued when someone gets injured
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 10 Jan 26 14:38
Just think.  We could end up with a Crown Court Champion Hurdle or the No Win No Fee Gold Cup!
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