L'Homme Presse

yep...venetia's coming on plenty as well hitting flat spots in races 1st time out

Perhaps...but given how emotionally invested the owner looks in the horse, I wonder if he will go down the National route.

Place laid it 

was counting my money. Deutsch tried too hard and should be called in for that

Dec 12, 2025 -- 2:21PM, JohanntheGoatHurdler wrote:

Perhaps...but given how emotionally invested the owner looks in the horse, I wonder if he will go down the National route.

he isn't going to win another grade 1 so why not

Was very odd run. I laid it win, and was changing between counting my money and sweating late on, lol

haut folin & others have run similar stu losing their place then rallying to some degree

Devoid of speed like the rest of the Field bar the Winner

Was an intended rnr this year until ruled out late on.
If he's fit I think he'll run in it.

Think it's also a characteristic of the jockey Wonderso..never seen a jockey like Charlie Deutsch let horses lose their position without exerting any undue pressure to hold it before rallying strongly in the closing stages ...seen it on various occasions over the years

yes

do you remember 1 @ haydock beat box?

or similar name iirc

that's skelton horse isn't that, will look it up

Doesn't spring to mind.

Bowen wasnt much Better Gray on the 4th , strange run by the horse

it was snuff box

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZPtHzEk6cY

Mitigating circumstances in that one considering he tried to take a fence with him early on final circuit ....forget all about that race

he did but he still let him drop right out

crazy race

Cotswold chase probably the target, owner would be risk averse regards national, was best jumper in the country for a couple of seasons but not the same after his issues in 23.

grayhawk 12 Dec 25 14:35 
Think it's also a characteristic of the jockey Wonderso..never seen a jockey like Charlie Deutsch let horses lose their position without exerting any undue pressure to hold it before rallying strongly in the closing stages ...seen it on various occasions over the years


you might have a point

don't see him doing it on rowley's horses

Todays winner looks a marathon horse..

yep

ignore what people saying about venetia in nov etc it will be venetia 2nd time out this year with how her's are taking a blow 1st time out

denver ml this weekend gray

overpriced

I’ve got them to put Presse on the National antepost market

Just seen your post Wonderso....didn't even check any lines cos i knew i was gonna be out all day....surprised to hear that Denver were a home dog

Well done.

A disaster for the Packers that they can't recover from

yes v surprising gray

would have been denver 2+ scores but for a phantom PI call on 3rd down that went against them
led to a packers TD when they should have been off the field

nearly another