Constitution Hill...back or lay.

one bad run can be forgiven especially if a feasable excuse is put up , that weatherby run was obviously not her true running . she was lucky in the champion hurdle but was a good 2nd to state man at punchestown confirming she was probably the 2nd best hurdler  of last season , the front 3 in the betting all had questions to answer in one form or another ,  it was a toss of a coin which of the 3 would win and all were short enough  golden ace also had a question mark but she was 22/1 and 30 odd on here .

WD layers of CH and also to Foyleswar for putting the winner up at a deceent price. Ihere were reasons for backing or laying the favourite, but obviously a risk considering the jumping issues that once again proved costly. Considering close proximity of the 3 finishers including the outsider Nemean Lion (rated 151) who was in contention on the run-in, maybe the front 2 in the betting would have fought out the finish, who knows. Unfortunately, we never will.

He can't be considered the best ever, but will always be my favourite hurdler and i've seen some good ones over the years. I lost backing the 2TBP, won on the lay of Anzadam (a losing race) but he doesn't owe me anything.

As well as his 3 falls CH got very low at a couple of its winning runs including his Champion Hurdle and Aintree Hurdle wins that year so his jumping has been a concern for a while now but was kind of brushed over because it was still winning.

I agree.

how could anyone consider betting Golden Ace after its wetherby run?   Rico one of the greatest gamblers of all time said "many of my best BETS were on horses that ran terrible on latest start" ( Bull )

the saying was a horse is a horse not it's latest run.

Well done Foyles. Impeccable logic and all you had to ignore was the stable form which often does not apply to grade 1 horses. I admit to giving CH one more chance after listening to yet another Henderson sales pitch. After watching CH yesterday I believe that he is even less interested in racing than he was last year.

If you think it's his interest in racing that's the problem you can lay him on the flat too.

thanks sageform and others yes its looking like racing is becoming something of a chore ,the bad falls have left a mental scar maybe creating an uncertainty at his hurdles causing the mistakes .

howard, not necessarily. If he runs in a 12 furlong flat maiden against nothing better than a 70 rating. He might see that as a racecourse gallop and just canter round. But if you owned him, would you want to do that?

problem for anyone with an ego that's all

Didn't CH choose to go on and jump at least one other hurdle after the fall, wouldn't be of interest normally but perhaps is when we are considering wether he has a mental issue with jumping.

Obviously Ethical Diamonds exploits in America is a massive outlier but I would like to know how anyone thinks CH would have the pace or class to deal with a 10f group 1

creatures of habit duffy they follow the herd so to speak but clearly something not right ,is that horse whisperer fella yogi breisner still about !

he doesn't have to run in group races duffy..and for your question head to the Rampton area

No he doesnt but earlier on this thread or another someone was suggesting the Tatts gold cup.

you could get a suggestion for the big aussie sprint on here though

duffy 30 Nov 25 13:12 
Obviously Ethical Diamonds exploits in America is a massive outlier but I would like to know how anyone thinks CH would have the pace or class to deal with a 10f group 1

at 9yrs old ewe can have 1000.

My point exactly, just to make this clear, this is not my idea, this is from the Constitution Hill's first Flat target thread further down the list.!!

🥳

In many decades of following the game, I don't think I've ever NOT wanted a hurdler go chasing.
I fully believe it's a terrible idea and I really hope connections give him an easy time and
try picking up a few staying group races come the flat season...and I think a French campaign
beckons as it's not such a competitive division and a softer surface is always likely.

Why even mention it,Herbie?
The horse is not going Chasing

Give it one more chance and put Bowen on it as I think Nico is as apprehensive as the horse is at the hurdles.

Talking out your chuffer Toffee

Not sure why everyone seems to assume that he could win a flat race other than a maiden. The only bumper/hurdler that I can remember winning a valuable flat race was a mare trained by Monica Dickenson.

I agree sage.  A series of monster failures and disappointments and still we hype this horse.

Trained by the Canny Granny,in fact,sageform.
Mellotie,who won the Cambridgshire in 1991

Based on what Irons? Henderson himself has said they dont know what to do next so either try something different or retire it.

The horse has taken to guessing at the hurdles,toffee.
No jockey ever born could stop it

He can make people look silly but wouldn't put him over hurdles again.
Had 3 falls in 4 races & thankfully he's got up  to fight another day.
He's won enough races & prize money.

I dont agree, part of a jockeys job is to make the horses mind up for it. Anyway like I said he needs to change something or retire it.

How many racehorses have you schooled,Toffee?
None.
I have ridden many.
Put a sock in it

I dont have to have, but as you're always right we'll leave it at that.

No.
Please tell the Forum how you could have stopped CH from taking off a stride too soon?

Go and argue with yourself.

Good day moron

Nov 30, 2025 -- 4:04PM, sageform wrote:

Not sure why everyone seems to assume that he could win a flat race other than a maiden. The only bumper/hurdler that I can remember winning a valuable flat race was a mare trained by Monica Dickenson.

Collier hill 2005 Irish St Leger trained by Alan Swinbank....

Clever Cookie might've started as a bumper/hurdler,went off quite short for the King George @ Ascot
few years back.

thanks yes, Mellottie was trained by Mary Reveley. I knew it was a woman trainer. She started off in a bumper, then a hurdle or 2, then went down to a mile on the flat and became a legend. Plenty of flat horses have been dual purpose but very few that start in a bumper. CH needs 2 low suns in the sky to turn a hurdle into a flat race.

I thought a few others might turn up but there are not many.

UTI - I didn't know that Henderson had already be ruled out chasing
as I thought he said they'd take a few days to reassess.

I'm happy to learn that's not gonna happen.

I was at M.Rasen with an owner of Mary's in 1989,sageform.
I met Bill Turner who told me that his was a certainty in the Bumper (Nick The Dreamer).
I mentioned it to Mary and she smiled and said,"he is wrong".
2/1 about a future Cambridgeshire winner was a very pleasing result.
Forgive the aftertime but it was 36 years ago

That should be,she said he is wrong

Nov 30, 2025 -- 4:51PM, uptheirons wrote:

That should be,she said he is wrong

He was a class horse

Bill was crestfallen

sageform.  16.43.  Top marks for creative thinking.  End the week on a chuckle.    Many thanks.

Uptheirons.   16.50.    Paul Nicholls must have felt much the same when 66/1 Ahoy Senor beat his Bravemansgame in the G1 Novice hurdle at Liverpool.
Before the race I asked myself wtf are they going all the way down there? 
I always wonder if it can be pinpointed just when it is that a horse falls out of love with racing.  Like Ahoy Senor.  Maybe Wetherby 29/10/22.
If we could only spot the signs what a killing we might make.

Turbo Linn started in bumnpers before winning a group 2 on the flat and running in the coronation cup.

The difference was that Ahoy Senor was not "expected",Honcho.
Whereas,Mellotie most certainly was.
BTW,Front Runners (like boxers) have only so much fight in them

who would take evens against CH running in a novice chase?
Nicky in March: After a nice break we have schooled him over fences every day this week and he is faultless. Arkle here we come. CH arrives at Cheltenham and refuses to go on to the course. The end.

Not going to happen,sageform.

Xmas hurdle, certain to run, that will be his last chance.

"Certain to run",Cropsick .
Are you on drugs?

Whilst the old anti's are bus planning next April's latest once a year sortie on Aintree, they continually miss gimme's served up to them on a platter.

The games most loved racehorse sent back to the racecourse time and again despite experiencing very bad falls in three out of the last four races it's run and in the other race showed a distinct attitude that displayed a dislike for racing.

busy planning

Aye

Have a debate about that on GMB and I reckon it would be very awkward

If something nasty happens to Constitution Hill over jumps Hendo will be the No 1 villian of jump racing. He'll go down in history as the trainer who puts his own ego before safety and welfare of a horse. He'd be ostracised by the sport. And, even the Royal Family will distance itself from him.

Thank you Jessica.

Surely nobody could be as thick as Implausible?

If hes working as well as they say then he has to run on the flat. Sea Pigeon won the Ebor aged 9.

But Sea Pigeon started on the flat and ran in the Derby as I recall. CH has a jumping pedigree.

I think Sea Pigeon was close to top rated 2yo.  Might even have been a/p fav. for the Derby at one stage.

7th in the Derby hardly equates to unraced 9YO,does it.

whats point of retiring a fit and healthy gelding? least give something else a try.

Buckley won't want him in 1800 quid to winner maidens on the flat

it the xmas hurdle or trails day race as last chance or retire

TNLfell to and know one mentions It

no-one*

did you go yesterday ?

nur..in office mark.

thought you might had a day out

i did..in office

Not sure there are any flat maidens worth less than £3000 to the winner but still not worth the effort surely? If he won in a  very fast time they might be encouraged to wait for a valuable flat race next year. The fall of TNL was different in that he was tiring under pressure and having his first ever hurdle race over 2 miles so going a lot quicker than in any of his novice races. If he did it again it would be a worry.

I can remember posting on a thread about Constitution Hill before he ever fell that I thought one day he could clip the top of the hurdles and come a cropper and since I said that he has fell 3 times.  Hope I didnt jinx him

Given that TNL thought about refusing at a hurdle even before he eventually fell I'd be less inclined to be backing him next time than CH (if indeed there is a next time for CH).

The New Lion seemed to run out to the left when he fell aswell.

Which narrows down the Champion Hurdle to Lossiemouth and Golden Ace in my book. A lot can happen before March but they have the best form in the race.

I am fairly confident that TNL will not be ridden from the front

What happens next? 4-6 retirement 5-2 flat 7-2 hurdles 100 chases.

No retirement yet,R.Post.

im thinking lay the 4/6 and take some 7/2

The rancid is an incompetent production. Hendo and Buckley darent risk hurdles again. Chances are he falls again and the law of averages sadly suggest he could injure himself irreparably. They can't risk that as they will never be forgiven. Gotta be retirement.

dickster deperate to recoup losses after trapesing round 37 dublin betting shops palcing pony bets...

#wornsolesfromshoes

The cumbersome individual in the saddle has probably soured the poor horse tbh…..

Aceform is thicker than an elephants dangler and remains a clueless,losing punter

Yawn…..ffs

where have u been?

Just chilling else…..

Gearing up for my final fling 2026…

i wish you luck but something tells me u will still be here in 2027 having a final final fling

Lol,doubtful tbh….

are you well?

Yes 100 %……

ok, good, then we'll see you in 2027 after u lose in 2026

Aye…………

david loch..bf's greatest resilience ever.

If connections do adopt a sicko approach and run him over hurdles again please, ensure no camera - commercial or private mobile - is recording or in the vicinity. I do not want to see the foolish and stupid behaviour of connections, and the event.

Then don't watch it

Correct,Andrew.
Implausible is either thicker than a Dockers Sandwich or a Master Fisherman

LoyalHoncho 02 Dec 25 17:15
If it runs, falls and in so doing hurts a jockey?  The NHA should demonstrate some bolls and insist the horse is a racing hazard and insist it is retired.

beggars belief this clown actually posted that absolute fckn nonsense.

brandyontherocks • November 29, 2025 8:57 PM GMT
One poster believes that a jockey looking over his shoulder sends the wrong message to a horse.
LaughLaughLaugh


I still do

The horse don’t know that it’s 1/12 on a pot hunting mission but the jockey shatting himself ontop sends shock waves of fear to the horse (and makes the horse lose concentration) by doing so as seen just there at Kelso with the Rat!