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22 Nov 25
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Stable in as bad a form as you could get, and horse running over a trip well short of it's best. I am struggling to see the pluses.
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To get a run into it over a trip too short
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exactly where they campaigned last yr
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I am well aware where he ran last year given that I backed him for the Gold Cup and 'campaigned' throughout the year for him to go down that route. This year is completely different. He is now confirmed as the best horse in the yard, the best the trainer has had, and maybe will ever have. I think you should be 'minding' your biggest asset. I am not sure that running him over the wrong trip, at a time when there is clearly something wrong with the horses, given a strike rate of than 2% over a fair period of time, is 'minding' him. That's not the strike rate of a top 4 stable. If he ends up winning a second Gold Cup, then great, but if this ends up being a winnerless season, then perhaps he might reflect that today's run wasn't the wisest move?
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if it worked last yr why would they change it this yr if the horse is in no different a place? trainers are creatures of habit, you said you couldn't see the plusses which says you missed the obvious
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It wouldn’t be as enjoyable if every trainer minded there biggest asset dd
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Starting him off over shorter for the last 2 seasons hasn't stopped him
winning @ Cheltenham,where they were his 1ST wins that season.Why change? |
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Indeed a totally wrong race for him this year. The situation has changed since winning the blue riband race at Cheltenham this year. I understand a public gallop however, there ought to be a race more suitable than this shortie trip.
Or bring him over for a more meaningful one at Cheltenham. |
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What particular race at Cheltenham would be meaningful at this time of year? |
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differentdrum 23 Nov 25 09:48
I am well aware where he ran last year given that I backed him for the Gold Cup and 'campaigned' throughout the year for him to go down that route. but allowed to go as low as 4/1 for the grand national? |
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Supplemented for the gold cup at a late stage
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Would you risk laying it at 24/25 DD if you think it doesn't have much chance with stable out of form and distance much too short, 4% profit for a few minutes.
Some people might argue that Willie Mullins stable is out of form with just a 15% SR last 2 weeks, only 5 winners from 33 runners all winners long odds on, he's got a few that you'd think would need further now at big prices, but would anyone risk laying them? |
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Mullins another 1-5 so far today at 8/15 to add to his recent total.
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stewarts rise • November 23, 2025 12:57 PM GMT
Would you risk laying it at 24/25 DD if you think it doesn't have much chance with stable out of form and distance much too short, 4% profit for a few minutes. derivative markets available |
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had national as plan until FTF re-routed away from gold cup
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i know..i put it up at 18/1
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u were still hoping they would go after the gold cup if i rem?
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was still single figs to lay after gold cup
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aye but need insider info.
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Embarrassing from the Gold Cup winner.
Decent race in the end |
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prob the best 20/1 lay pre this decade.
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