Total Confusion In 1:20 Plumpton

What a farce.

Need a siren loudspeaker, as in Europe

im guessing the traditional bookmakers will refund monies on this....not that i bet with them....

Safer gambling week as well.

Somebody save us from this please.

Mr Mullins knows his flags...

A good few days of bans are coming up.

Can we have our money back under this new non runner rule?

Any ideas what happened?

I was watching closely and still no idea

this is down to the jockeys......

Lots of Mr's and Misses

https://www.britishhorseracing.com/jumps-starts-how-do-they-work-and-what-ru...

No, because they did start so all bets stand. I did not see any recall

i imagine some of the amateurs got confused by flags waving round hurdles thinking it was a flag for a false start, then they all started following the herd i.e. pulled up ..... oops

Fortunately for punters there are no silly prices (IR) on the winner

Was there any need for the flag man when the bloody hurdle was dolled off...lol

Sequel

"Why they don't"

out soon

I thought it was a false start and promptly backed the ones that had pulled up early. Could be doing a nice few quid 

The French klaxon is such a simple solution

Amateur Jockeys perhaps do not know the flag and whistle rules as well as the pros. No excuse really just a total shambles.

black and white chequered flag was waved warning of a hazard, dolled off fences perhaps, due to sun.

My thoughts exactly, no need for the bloke waving the chequered flag. The dolls told them not to jump them.

Busyfool • November 17, 2025 1:29 PM GMT
I thought it was a false start

was thinking the same

exactly how would a false start be different to what happened there?

clear winner freely available at 1.03 crossing the line

Nov 17, 2025 -- 1:32PM, TameTheTiger wrote:

clear winner freely available at 1.03 crossing the line

if it was a false start the winner is DQ

Whistle was blown

Didnt see a false start flag!!!!  Did you?

the only thing i can think of is the starter wanted a false start and the flag man didn't do his job, which puts this on the starter / racecourse

Dim "I say old chap, are we meant to be racing?"
Witless "Not sure, what does Chinless think?"
Chinless "I checked and Gormless is pulling up"
Dim "ah well, pink gins all round chaps"
Gormless "I didn't want to ride anyway"

Don't think it was a false start, some of the jockeys pulled up when seeing the flag, there was no need to pull up their horses.
Race went ahead, result will stand I reckon.

so if it was a false start & they cant see the flag due to the low sun how are they recalling them?

if it's we saw a flag and it wasn't a false start flag then those jocks are getting done

Result will have to stand unless they making up the rules as they go...(which wouldnt surprise me!)

i still wouldn't want the 1.01 because of that lol

I think they call it a false start to try to save face. all bets void, maybe.

Im sure they were following procedure, but there were a number of hurdles dolled off...Presumably the jockeys were told pre race of this.

i see  no logical reason if hurdles are dolled off in advance of a race for a man with a flag to be waving as they approach the dolled off hurdle..

have same view re low sun as always
either its safe to race jumping them all or you can't see & racing is off
but once again we have the middle ground yet another sh1tshow

they cant make it up as a false start when it wasnt a false start...
jockey bans incoming.

Why is there even someone waving a flag and blowing a whistle? The jockeys were already moving around them. And why a whistle? Whistles mean stop, not go. Mixed messages.

The starter should have told the jockeys that there would be a flag man on course , waving them by the dolled off hurdle...
a simple thing to avoid confusion.

Did anyone see a flag? If so what flag?

BHA Racing Flags and Their Meanings
Flag     Colour/Design    Meaning and Action Required
Start Flag    (Colour not specified, used by the Starter)    Used to signal the start of a jump race (flat races use starting stalls). A raised flag indicates the start is imminent; lowering it starts the race.
False Start Flag    (Colour not specified, same as Start flag used by Starter)    Waved by the Starter and the Advance Flag Operator (AFO) to indicate a false start. Jockeys must pull up their horses and regroup.
Stop Race Flag    Orange and Yellow quarters (diagonally split)    Signals that the race must be stopped immediately due to a serious incident or hazard on the track. This is accompanied by a loud Fox 40 whistle. Riders must pull up their horses, and the race is typically declared void.
Possible Hazard Flag    Black and White chequered    Waved by racecourse staff from behind the running rail to signal a potential hazard ahead that requires caution, such as stalled vehicles or obstacles. This is also accompanied by a whistle.
Veterinary Assistance    Orange    Indicates that veterinary assistance is required at that location.
Medical Assistance    White    Indicates that medical assistance is required at that location.

I saw a checkered flag just as they all initially pulled up. (bottom left of the video).

"Possible Hazard Flag    Black and White chequered    Waved by racecourse staff from behind the running rail to signal a potential hazard ahead that requires caution, such as stalled vehicles or obstacles. This is also accompanied by a whistle."

Whistles mean stop

that's why I thought false start

this is a void race imo

weighed in.....weighed in !

not if the flag was black and white chequered!

british racing at its best

they need the gem little book of flags

Stewards Enquiry - Result Stands

better take your whistle in case your bet is running a stinker

paid out

sun too bright to jump a fence but not bright enough that you can't determine the colour of a flag in the distance

Jockeys should know what each flag means.
They are totally at fault, no one else.

-and not a word from anyone about the unfortunate punters who have done their dough.

Feel sorry for those connected to the pu horses as well.

Elise - Do you know I thought of that when I posted the list of flags

1.03 crossing the line. easiest free money since dustin johnson grounded his club in the sand years ago

showing your age bb lol

when you back a horse, you're also backing the jockeys ability and intelligence.

the ones that followed mullins owe him a beer

what if protestors run on with banners after the start stop race flag is coming out isn't it
fkin idiot

The hazard flag, waved when there is a hazard and ride with caution. Not needed when they are dolling fences off imo

normally its the jockeys fault imo but they get a pass from me on this

Interesting suggestion there that it was the amateur jockeys that pulled up.

Nov 17, 2025 -- 1:53PM, in hell wrote:

The hazard flag, waved when there is a hazard and ride with caution. Not needed when they are dolling fences off imo

agree

We're a laughing stock.

had a few quid in a betfred account - bet ew on Dreamweaver and has been settled as a loser

The hazard flag, waved when there is a hazard and ride with caution. Not needed when they are dolling fences off imo

On first lap yes but they might need a reminder when they're really racing up the home straight towards the finish

It would make "student" meetings interesting if they all brought whistles.

Part of the problem is that the chequered flag is used in quite a few different circumstances.
But if you are dolling fences off surely that is removing a hazard, could just as easy put a few chapter 8 barriers on the course as well as the markers in the fence/hurdles

The European Siren/Klaxon system works perfectly fine and is so simple

If it goes off you stop the race, if not carry on.

It is so loud Jockeys, connections, racecourse officials and workers and all spectators on course and at home
all know immediately - confusion is stopped.

......... would have stopped that dangerous AW fiasco that happened also

Any antis reading this thread will have gained valuable information on how to disrupt racing.
Stand near the start looking like a spectator and blow whistles.  Race sabotaged.  Punters raging.  Conns. let down.

Lot easier than a scaffold pole on the hare rail back in the day

Or, don’t even bother standing by, just send up a drone with a remote controlled whistle attached.

@Darlo

"Interesting suggestion there that it was the amateur jockeys that pulled up."

Every rider in that race was an amateur - not sure what you meant by your comment?

Black and white chequered being used at Exeter.

An enquiry was held into the placings in this race after Mr Tommie M. O’Brien, the rider of TROPICAL SPEED (IRE), Mr James King, the rider of DREAMWEAVER (IRE), Miss Daisy Warden, the rider of HILLTOWN (IRE), and Mr Harry O’Dwyer, the rider of SAN ET SAUF, had pulled up shortly after the start had been effected, when the chequered ‘hazard’ flag was being waved and the hazard whistles were being blown to signify the flights in the home straight were being omitted. All four riders, the Starters, the Clerk of the Course, Miss Gina Andrews, the rider of WASHINGTON SINGER, which subsequently fell, Mr P. W. Mullins, the rider of IT’S A BREEZE (IRE), placed third, Mrs Vicki Sollitt, the rider of HIDOR DE BERSY (FR), placed second, Mr Adam Ryan, the rider of the winner, CLEAR STORM, and Miss Elizabeth Feakes, the rider of HIGHWAY HERO, placed fourth, were all interviewed and shown recordings of the incident. Being 7lb claiming amateur riders, Mrs Sollitt, Miss Feakes, Miss Warden were all offered the opportunity to be accompanied in the enquiry but declined. After hearing their evidence, Mr O’Brien, Miss Warden, and Mr O’Dwyer were suspended for 7 days for pulling up after the chequered flag had been waved, which they mistakenly assumed was either a false start or a void race. Mr King’s explanation that he had pulled up because his saddle had slipped up the horse’s neck was accepted. The Stewards were satisfied that the correct procedures had been followed in respect of the deployment of the hazard warning flag, and ordered that the placings remain unaltered.

king, a brilliant escape

According to my snout it was Mullins who told his fellow amateurs they should pull up shortly after the start. A number duly did so only to see Patrick's backside continue riding off into the distance.

that 7 day ban for those amateurs will really make them think before repeating that mistake :D

I have been called a pedant already today so please forgive me if this post continues the trend.
Why do stewards tolerate any failure of tack during a race, particularly saddle slippage.?  King’s mount would have started then pulled up because of poor preparation, no matter how the start went surely, with punters incurring inevitable losses.