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My experience was through friends when introduced to horse and greyhound racing. My friends would not "waste" time on non-consequential races.
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Sad day! The RL offered some of the best betting opportunities you could ever find in Horse Racing. This years meeting at Chepstow was a thing of beauty. And it went on to produce the Ces winner and the game as they come Crowd Quake. It was very strange to me to hear punters were so down on it.
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This summer's six Racing League cards were seen by a combined total of just 15,016 racegoers, while the latest accounts of parent company Championship Racing showed debts totalling more than £5 million.
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Yeah I lost 10k on the fav but was over the moon about it because Yorkshire won the race
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You surprise me impossible way you talk down regarding moderate racing as when enable won on the aw at Newcastle on her racecourse debut you must have been watching as you backed her right away to win the breeders cup.
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Never understood how people get themselves into a proper frenzy over the shergar cup it’s 6 races in a season .
Regarding the racing league whilst I thought the racing was pretty good it was probably getting to good as it started to effect other handicaps particularly in the north,races like the great st Wilfred. |
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agree Jimnast I liked the Racing League and personally don't mind the Shergar Cup
usually a bit of value here and there in both formats - we cant just have the same offering 52 weeks a year and expect things to change and to attract new racegoers, the concerts after racing work though definitely not my thing as usually groups, artists I don't particularly care for but obviously others do the student days seem popular too - these initiatives have to be given a chance or racing will continue to decline in popularity |
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Good evening north east
Couldn’t disagree with any of your post music nights certainly not for me that said I went to one of the first ones possibly the very first one Gerry and the pacemakers at the July course,I wouldn’t go to the shergar cup but have absolutely no problem with it,I did go to plenty of the racing league fixtures ,the student days are not as bad as many of us elder ones think even though plenty have had a few drinks there remarkably polite throughout the day. |
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Who cared what region won, or were in the lead? It ruined the commentary as the commentator was obliged to keep mentioning the various regions the horses were running for. Decent prize money thrown at a flawed concept.
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"Never understood how people get themselves into a proper frenzy over the shergar cup it’s 6 races in a season"
Not sure I'd call it a proper frenzy, but those brought up on horse racing as a cultural cornerstone of British life in the 20th century, and who have a genuine connection to the turf, choose to voice opposition because it is anathema to that connected understanding. Racing is not, and never will be, a team sport. But even then it might pass unnoticed and ignored if it weren't for those who talk and act like it occupies a vacant space in a desperate and misguided ploy to capture a fickle and disengaged audience. As I've said many times on here before, horseracing exists in the conscience of the committed, as a result of exposure at a vulnerable and impressionable age to a world of edgy risk, laced with an air of intrigue and the whiff of disrespectability. It was a heady cocktail, and I got drunk on the fumes in the 1970s, both in the betting ring and downbeat betting shops. In 2025 those influences are long gone, and are unlikely to be replaced by the sanitised vaccuum of family friendly gimmicks and team racing. |
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Paul Fisher, chief executive of the Jockey Club - which owns racecourses including Aintree, Cheltenham, Newmarket and Kempton Park - believes the concept of City Racing could help bring racing to "a younger, urban audience". "I'm a keen cricket fan and this could be racing's Twenty20. It could take it to a whole new audience around the world," said Fisher. ![]() |
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If the shergar cup is going to survive then it needs to attract a better class of jockey than the muppets that were riding this year.
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A very fair point cropstick but with Newmarket,haydock and the curragh on it won’t happen.
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Howard. 17.00.
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steerforth I agree that those in charge of racing seem to think that change is vital but few of their ideas seem as good as what they replace. I have never known a life without racing. I was (or so I was told) taken to a PTP before I could walk and certainly remember going every Saturday from March to June from the age of 4. First time at Prestbury Park in 1955 (and a member there for 35 years). 70 years later I still watch most races every day on TV. What I miss most is the diversity of trainers and riders as the sport gets into fewer and fewer hands just like every other part of the economy. Back in the 1960s I could recognise the names of 90% of owners, trainers and riders and the horses were household names but now too many of them are in French or Arabic and I forget them in a month.
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Amen to all that Sageform. My mind is working exactly the same way as yours. I struggle to reacall or differentiate between so many good horses whose mames mean nothing and merge into an incoherent vat of hotch potch jibberish. And what exactly is a berlais, or a d'Oudaries. I made this point elsewhere and was accused of xenophobia (and worse). Pointing out that confusion is not irrational fear did me no good.
And when 9 of 11 Group One entries at Doncaster last month were trained by the same team, and that that in itself, was not necessarily unusual, and certainly not mentioned in mainstream media as being particularly worrisome, well, we lose a little of our heritage. To quote someone whose name I don't recall (although he was American, not Arabic), "Death is not the greatest loss in life. The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live." |
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I dont think that a few minutes of entertainment every 30 minutes is high on the agenda of the 18-25 generation . Like most on here the love of racing originated from our famiy upbringings . Even in the 1960s I remember thinking then that a lot of time was wasted , I soon grew out of that notion .
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I'm with Steerforth (although a wee bit younger) in that my 45 years of passionately following racing (annual membership, hosting hospitality days, visiting all UK tracks and 7 remaining in Ireland, Breeders Cup, Dubai World Cup, Arcs, part ownership etc etc) due to a heady mix of horses, gambling, drinking and days off work (often midweek when some of the best racing was to be had)...personally the powers that be (in their various guises) sold the goose a long time ago - great races like the Tommy Whittle, Ebor, July Cup etc etc and of course the Derby have been devalued and no longer exist in the conscience of the casual racegoer-punter due to them being relegated to the paragraphy below Leyton Orient in the saturday sports pages (online and on paper)....
N East Correspondent - there was no need for initiatives in 70s through 90s, just great horses running (often!) against each other, a fairly large number of trainers winning big races, great jockeyship, on course bookies offering different(imagine that!) odds, and leaving the track win or lose not feeling that you'd been screwed over by the price of a pint or a steaming bowl of barrie cope seafood curry....it's not surprising when the people behind these recent initiatives don't care to even engage with the core racegoers as to what they might suggest that they are doomed to failure from the start.. as I said earlier, no problem with Invades particularly if bars/music in different area of track a la Musselburgh as someone who follows the top end of greyhound racing I was thinking that the sport has at most 20 years left in UK, probably longer in Ireland and I can definitely see the day when NH racing is under pressure and there aren't enough concerned folks to fight that corner |
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20 years is optimistic. I will be in the ground by then and none of my family will notice when jump racing disappears.
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Sageform whilst I agree that national hunt isn’t in a good way what do you think will happen to Cheltenham and Aintree ?
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Reports of the death of the Racing League are greatly exaggerated. That was the message sent out by founder Jeremy Wray, who is already working on ways to get the competition staged this year.
Wray had been talking to potential new partners even before the Racing Post broke the news on Monday that Arena Racing Company had dropped its support. The Racing League has run on its tracks for the last five summers and been covered on ITV4, but the future of the team-based series looked to have been thrown into serious doubt after it was revealed Arc and ITV are now uniting to create a new 'Friday Night Live' programme of meetings from January to March next year. However, Wray said: "We knew what was coming and what Arc were doing and now it's out there. But we want to continue with the Racing League. Jeremy Wray: Jeremy Wray: "We want to continue with the Racing League" "We are pursuing other options as to where we can showcase it this year. I've been having those conversations since I was aware of this. I've been talking to other racecourses and other media groups." Wray remains hopeful, although he admitted that it is a difficult time to secure financial commitments from racecourses or media organisations, for a series which again offered more than £2 million in prize-money last summer. He said: "There's an element of 'wait and see' with the budget coming up next week as everyone's attitude to these things at the moment is that they want to see how they'll be affected by what happens with that. "When I present some of the numbers that we achieve, there will be people out there pleasantly surprised at what the Racing League can bring – the betting turnover is a major factor to anyone involved commercially." Trainer Jamie Osborne, who was a Racing League team manager, hopes the event can be resurrected. Leading Jockey Saffie Osborne with her dad and team manager Jamie Osbourne at last year's Racing League Jamie Osborne and jockey daughter Saffie with their 2022 Racing League trophies Credit: John Grossick (racingpost.com/photos) "It was a great prize-money boost for owners," he said. "Lots of people paid for their seasons through it so to lose that would be disappointing. "I'd like to see it survive, for everybody's sake. It was something slightly different, without trying to reinvent the wheel, and there were some quite lowly-rated horses winning big chunks of money. "To a degree, having a chance to do that with some horses would keep some people in the game. I just hope it can be resurrected so that opportunity is alive going forward. |
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Maybe the Jockey Club and independent Racecourses can pick this up. I would completely do away with the team aspect of it and make it more individual based leagues for Jockeys, Trainers & Horses who all score points for the finishing positions and an end of season final meeting with the top dozen or so horses at each distance Racing for boosted prize money races. I'd have more RL meetings but they would just be standard meetings with just the Handicaps being staged on the card qualifying as Racing League races (the maidens/novice wouldn't be RL races) and prize money would be boosted to encourage full, competitive fields but of course not to the levels the Racing League finals would be
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I'm not really a fan of AW racing, but love the sport and all it entails, not only the betting aspect. Quite often i only have 1 or 2 bets, but watch most of the card; even better with a few mates and drinks etc
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Much the same here. Wish I had got more involved with horses when I was young. Betting is now secondary to watching the racing and enjoying the special performances.
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There was support for the racing league based on the money thrown at it. I don't think the format was a real factor. If you throw that sort of money at any format there will obviously be support for it. I would guess that over 80% had no interest in the team aspect.
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I only watched it a couple of times. It took a bit of grasping and the constant mid commentary reference to team names was, or became, a bit tedious. Picking winners was a minefield too. Wasn’t a hit with me but have no idea if it was liked by racecourses.
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