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sageform
14 Nov 25 14:29
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Another unreal win after being under pressure for nearly 2 miles and going out to 20 in running.
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Report Dotchinite November 14, 2025 2:30 PM GMT
80 was highest
Report aberdonia November 14, 2025 2:30 PM GMT
Wade out ran the exact same race last time out.
Report freddiewilliams November 14, 2025 2:30 PM GMT
80 and graph only says 20.....
Report aberdonia November 14, 2025 2:30 PM GMT
was a good ride mind.
Report Trident November 14, 2025 2:31 PM GMT
No other jockey Wins on that horse IMO.
Report paulybad November 14, 2025 2:33 PM GMT
Masterclass in perseverance
Report barstool November 14, 2025 2:35 PM GMT
Just different class atm, hope he  inspires a few more jockeys to keep at their horses.
Report sageform November 14, 2025 2:38 PM GMT
Not always appropriate to keep riding like that! A very lazy horse who can't jump but stays all day apparently. If you rode a non stayer like that it might drop dead!
Report DrGordons November 14, 2025 2:38 PM GMT
Best ride of the season for me ( didn't back it).
Report LoyalHoncho November 14, 2025 2:39 PM GMT
Ruby’s got it - he’s a joy to watch.
Report wondersobright November 14, 2025 2:39 PM GMT
seems like some people haven't watched this horse's replays
Report wondersobright November 14, 2025 2:41 PM GMT
not interested in wade out ride but ruby is correct loyal, long term figures jockey
Report LoyalHoncho November 14, 2025 2:42 PM GMT
I hadn’t I admit.  Did you witness Mick crawling up Chamberlin’s chamber pot with praise about some award he won the other night?  No shame whatsoever, pure gravy train rsslicking!   Laugh
Report wondersobright November 14, 2025 2:42 PM GMT
DrGordons • November 14, 2025 2:38 PM GMT
Best ride of the season for me


not even sean's best
Report wondersobright November 14, 2025 2:43 PM GMT
I'm on RTV loyal
Report DrGordons November 14, 2025 2:44 PM GMT
What was his best in your view Wonder?
Report 4builder4 November 14, 2025 2:45 PM GMT
He does it time and time again. Deserves all and more plaudits
Report LoyalHoncho November 14, 2025 2:45 PM GMT
It was classic wonders. Grin
Report wondersobright November 14, 2025 2:45 PM GMT
went huge i/r @ worcs pulled it out of the fire even as a novice hurdler lingfield 3 runner race for a long time wasn't travelling
obvious comment here but a slow ground national of some kind obvious contender
Report aberdonia November 14, 2025 2:45 PM GMT
This is how the horse runs....itv boys really did no homework prior to the race...listening to ruby's in running comments showed he had done no homework whatsoever on the horse.
Report wondersobright November 14, 2025 2:45 PM GMT

Nov 14, 2025 -- 2:45PM, 4builder4 wrote:


He does it time and time again. Deserves all and more plaudits


agree

Report wondersobright November 14, 2025 2:46 PM GMT
yes that's my point aberdonia not taking anything away from sean at all
Report LoyalHoncho November 14, 2025 2:46 PM GMT
Wish I had your dedication wonders.  In depth knowledge.  How’s that for forum rsslicking?  Laugh
Regards.  Cool
Report aberdonia November 14, 2025 2:48 PM GMT
It was a great ride, but Sean knew the horse would find and i think a number of jockeys would have won on the horse, knowing just how it travels through a race....just a shame i didnt back it in running..lol
Report barstool November 14, 2025 2:48 PM GMT
You know what I meant sageform.

No need to meet make look like the village idiot.
Report wondersobright November 14, 2025 2:49 PM GMT
overly kind loyal but thanks
Report wondersobright November 14, 2025 2:54 PM GMT
cromwell horse in the grade 2 novice likely better than the english form imo drifting to big price
last race ces winner off 96 impossible not to be involved 3/1 fair jack hyde main danger
bit of interest in newky also but that aftertime
be lucky
Report sageform November 14, 2025 2:55 PM GMT
Not my intention barstool but too many punters can't tell the difference between a Wade Out and Leave of Absence that was clearly not right and would slate a jockey for pulling up. All the best.
Report JohanntheGoatHurdler November 14, 2025 2:56 PM GMT
McCoyesque.
Report jinxy November 14, 2025 2:58 PM GMT
Jockey did what he is paid to do Laugh Good ride , but he`s had some pretty naughty rides  too Laugh
Report 4builder4 November 14, 2025 3:23 PM GMT

Nov 14, 2025 -- 2:48PM, aberdonia wrote:


It was a great ride, but Sean knew the horse would find and i think a number of jockeys would have won on the horse, knowing just how it travels through a race....just a shame i didnt back it in running..lol


Maybe 'Narco Nico' could have won on it Scared

Report LoyalHoncho November 14, 2025 4:09 PM GMT
Enjoyable interview on the ITV Racing programme. 1.47.40.  Ruby and Sean.  Worth a watch.
Report differentdrum November 14, 2025 4:21 PM GMT
Here we go again. Does nobody think he just kept going, and the two who travelled so much better just packed up?

Walsh leading the cheerleading. Described Bowen as tactically astute. If that is true was Walsh tactically inept as he didn't ride hardly anything out the back?
Report LoyalHoncho November 14, 2025 4:25 PM GMT
What do you mean “here we go again”?  Why do you feel the need to so regularly disparage the views of others?  By all means disagree with people’s views but you sometimes sneer and it is not attractive.
Report bettysboy November 14, 2025 5:50 PM GMT
He does ride very short and is a real trier. No one better at the moment
Report layemall November 14, 2025 7:00 PM GMT
I did back the horse and thought after the race what a brilliant ride that was and how supremely fit Bowen is. Just watched the replay and Chamberlain reported later on in the programme that when chatting with Brough Scott earlier, he said that was one of the best rides he had ever seen...and hopefully we can agree that he knows what he's talking about.

I don't think that many jockeys could have won on that and the fact that he only went to 79/1 for a few quid in running, when looking like he had absolutely no chance in a race like this and at the trip, is testament to this jockey's ability... horses just run for him...a brilliant horseman.
Report ronnie rails November 14, 2025 7:08 PM GMT
Laid the front  2 coming  down the hill I thought  to myself  Ronnie  we are going  to eat well  tonight.
Hope you are all well.
Ronnie.
Report layemall November 14, 2025 7:10 PM GMT
Well done Ronnie.....enjoy your dinner Happy
Report ronnie rails November 14, 2025 7:17 PM GMT
Layemall.
Should  have said laid the front 2 in the betting.
But will still enjoy  dinner  French onion soup then belly  pork.Hopeyou are well.
Ronnie.
Report aberdonia November 14, 2025 7:18 PM GMT
layemall14 Nov 25 19:00Joined: 12 Apr 06 | Topic/replies: 1,738 | Blogger: layemall's blog
I did back the horse and thought after the race what a brilliant ride that was and how supremely fit Bowen is. Just watched the replay and Chamberlain reported later on in the programme that when chatting with Brough Scott earlier, he said that was one of the best rides he had ever seen...and hopefully we can agree that he knows what he's talking about.

I don't think that many jockeys could have won on that and the fact that he only went to 79/1 for a few quid in running, when looking like he had absolutely no chance in a race like this and at the trip, is testament to this jockey's ability... horses just run for him...a brilliant horseman.


i was a very good ride, but the reason it didnt go higher than 80 is because the horse always runs like this...Was very unimpressed by the itv teams lack of knowledge of the horses running style and manner of previous wins and runs.

As for Bowen, yes, he is a fabulous jockey,but on this horse, most of the top jockeys would have got this one home knowing its running style...Obviously this is just my opinion and im often wrong.
Report sageform November 14, 2025 7:39 PM GMT
Always runs like that? Really? It did drop out on its first run over fences and went on to win but was usually prominent over hurdles. And no mention of repeated mistakes in his previous runs.
Report layemall November 14, 2025 7:45 PM GMT
"but the reason it didnt go higher than 80 is because the horse always runs like this.." not true if you look over his form. Also, he's never won under rules over further than two and a half miles. Yes a point to point over 3 miles, but not a listed race at Cheltenham over 3m 1f. I rest my case :)
Report layemall November 14, 2025 7:57 PM GMT
No worries Ronnie. All the best.
Report punchestown November 14, 2025 10:08 PM GMT
Sean Bowen is obviously a very good jockey but he needs to "do it on a rainy Tuesday night in Stoke" in other words do it repeatedly for a few years to wear that crown that the best of the best have worn/wear....
Report JayTrumpOldTomDubbl November 15, 2025 6:31 PM GMT
Did it nicely today for Bryan Coopers dad.
Report punchestown November 15, 2025 6:34 PM GMT
That was a great ride,kept a bit up his sleeve.
Report wondersobright November 16, 2025 11:03 AM GMT

Nov 14, 2025 -- 10:08PM, punchestown wrote:


Sean Bowen is obviously a very good jockey but he needs to "do it on a rainy Tuesday night in Stoke" in other words do it repeatedly for a few years to wear that crown that the best of the best have worn/wear....


9 of the last 10 years outstripping market exp by at least 4% what more do you want ffs

Report sageform November 16, 2025 11:56 AM GMT
He is very good and trainers who can see this will make it even higher by booking him for any horse that is "expected" to outrun its odds Similar with Oisin Murphy on the flat.
Report JayTrumpOldTomDubbl November 16, 2025 1:01 PM GMT
Reminds me of one Andy Turnell, he of the short stirrup. Lots of money today 'Punch'for JJ Burke in the last. Has been impressive with his 2 wins. Any fancies?
Report liberator of the oppressed November 16, 2025 1:26 PM GMT
If only he had been on Gaelic in the first is such a huge difference between the best and others.
Report 1st time poster November 16, 2025 1:46 PM GMT
so you wanted him to get off another well back fav he,d held up behind the ambulance miles of pace to jump on the 2nd his brother had rode the perfect race on  after the last,
Report uptheirons November 16, 2025 2:01 PM GMT
The amount of nonsense on here is hard to believe.
All jockeys will ride good,bad and indifferent races without making them better or worse
Report LoyalHoncho November 16, 2025 3:24 PM GMT
I do think this guy is a shade above the crowd irons, but, to those who say he is a 7lbs advantage on a horse is utter bowlucks.
Report uptheirons November 16, 2025 3:31 PM GMT
I agree,Honcho.
His never say die style suits some horses better than others.
Report 1st time poster November 16, 2025 3:46 PM GMT
whats that one winner over jumps in 3 days at chelt,must be riding some badly handicapped horse with 7lb in hand in every race he,s riding
Report wondersobright November 16, 2025 4:00 PM GMT
ballpark 7lbs between best & worst...feasible
but 7lbs above a par standard rider certainly no
Report sageform November 17, 2025 7:59 AM GMT
You can't make such sweeping judgements on a skill that only becomes apparent a couple of times a week when sheer strength, empathy with the horse and pace judgement make the difference between victory and defeat as it did on Wade Out and many similar results this season. If the horse is having an off day, is on the wrong ground or just outclassed, no jockey in the world would make any difference.
Did Alexei make Brendan Powell an outstanding jockey yesterday? Of course not but Triple Trade did in my opinion. Most improved rider this year bar none.
Report LoyalHoncho November 17, 2025 11:22 AM GMT
Enjoying a good weekend and well done to him.  I’ve no doubt he is dedicated, works very hard and deserves the success but they all have good runs and I don’t suppose he is any better a jockey this month than he was last.
Report wondersobright November 17, 2025 12:49 PM GMT

Nov 17, 2025 -- 7:59AM, sageform wrote:


You can't make such sweeping judgements on a skill that only becomes apparent a couple of times a week when sheer strength, empathy with the horse and pace judgement make the difference between victory and defeat as it did on Wade Out and many similar results this season. If the horse is having an off day, is on the wrong ground or just outclassed, no jockey in the world would make any difference.Did Alexei make Brendan Powell an outstanding jockey yesterday? Of course not but Triple Trade did in my opinion. Most improved rider this year bar none.


in the bottom 25% of all riders & having his 4th best year in the last 10 pegged against exp winners
on the figures this is drivel about powell

Report uptheirons November 17, 2025 1:00 PM GMT
Good horses make good jockeys
Report wondersobright November 17, 2025 1:30 PM GMT
jockeys make a difference at the margin
Report wondersobright November 17, 2025 3:07 PM GMT
tizzard horses in irresistible form
Report sageform November 17, 2025 3:21 PM GMT
Yes and ridiculous in running market on U Cant be Serious! Never out of the first 3 but out to 14 before they turned in. He did look beaten when Bowen came past but stayed on well. The yard have done me a few favours in the last week. Eldorado Allen has been a big favourite for 3 years or more. And as for Brocade Racing! 38% wins/runs this season. Brendan Powell on the wrong one there but still third at 10/1 and showing a profit of £112 this season.
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