Oh Willie can do it anywhere

Mullins.  Man is a genius.

Yes I’m a O’Brien and Mullins man but backed Mullins and rebel, great price and you could never leave him out at that price

I agree Crawford but nothing would have had me backing that.  It’s quite the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen in Racing.

No bet for me there.
Minnie Hawk left its chance in Paris.
Astounding

completely agree Loyal. I have no skin in the game in terms of losing/winning. I got beat well and truly in the race. But this horse has improved to an extent that is...............unbelievable. He has beaten horses rated 14lb+ better minimum by  5l, 5 wide off the bend from stall 14. U recall Mr Bolger's assertions.

I saw what wonders talked about immediately post race and that was the winner cutting right across to the rail from stall 14 and settle in rear.  I subconsciously wrote it off there and then.  It is crazy what it achieved from there, as you say coming wide five off the rail and exploding past them.
Six months ago it ran 4th in the County Hurdle.     

"Six months ago it ran 4th in the County Hurdle"

I believe it broke the track record at Del Mar last night

When I saw him finish 7 th in the Scottish champion hurdle back in April I had a strong feeling 12 furlongs around del mar would really suit him

Great story though Cheltenham festival,royal Ascot,ebor and breeders cup ,I wished my grandma had bought me a horse who could achieve that.

Morning Jimnast, hope you're keeping well.
Not very plausible is it ? What trainer would be brave enough / believe they had enough horse to go straight from handicaps to one of the world's richest races ?
I cant believe it.

I think they must have overdosed on magic carrots.

Don't forget the vet that got caught with a land-rover full of illegal drugs at mullons yard and then claimed they werent for mullins horses and refused to say which trainer they were for !

Can't be underestimated the difference that the horse relaxing can make. Watching it again he settled like a dream. And of course his jockey is not normal.

agree cider and as said on the other threads once they start improving its difficult to know what their limits are !

Good morning oneten

All good here although had enough of the turf flat now ,hope your well also.

Regarding Willie I can’t help but like him he did look very different last night than we’re use to maybe in the years ahead something might come out however I still like to believe he is just a very good trainer and very grateful he brings so many good horses over to the uk.

Nov 2, 2025 -- 9:32AM, jimnast wrote:

Good morning oneten All good here although had enough of the turf flat now ,hope your well also.Regarding Willie I can’t help but like him he did look very different last night than we’re use to maybe in the years ahead something might come out however I still like to believe he is just a very good trainer and very grateful he brings so many good horses over to the uk.

I think he looked a bit different because we are not generally accustomed to seeing him in warm weather: and then engaged (modestly) with the American way of celebrating victory in what they consider to be the best self congratulatory back slapping competition in the world.

Good post whallop I did consider the weather might be a factor.

That horse should have been coming round the bend when the race had finished, outrageous

It will be fascinating to see where Ethical Diamond goes from now on . Stays well , which I think was the key for the result last night . Must have been a fast run race , born out by time .

Whatever it had for breakfast, I would like some

That perfect set up is unlikely to be replicated, not for a year anyway.

Likewise jimnast, I too have had enough flast now and will appreciate the nh season once it gets into full swing.

I would like to think the same, but, therein lies the problem.
There are any one of 20 trainers who are capable of training top class horses to their peak, but only a certain mullins manages to take them a step further.

Having witnessed all the anti pipe whisperings many moons ago, which were unfounded it would be nice to think that it is a similar case with mullins except for one thing.

Pipe's vet wasnt caught at pond house with a land-rover full of illegal performance enhancing drugs, whereas Willie Mullins' vet was .

Cider correct. There was a touch of Mine that Bird about it. But nowhere near a fluke imo. Always thought the fav was slightly overated in beating modest fillies this year and an average Arc on softish ground without Europes top horse that couldn't run and according to the trainer laughs at the Arc winner at home.

There wasn't a great horse in the race so the gap was possible to fill by a Royal Ascot winner / horse that hosed up under a big weight at York. Mentioned only the winner on here before the race. Unfortunately didn't back it partly because Mullins said he would be thrilled to finish 4th. Last time I listen to a trainer. Should know better !

A good yard at turning out the winners….but a strange barn tbh…

Broke the track record of course. I doubt they have too many 'marathon' races there but clearly he is G1 material given the perfect set up. The runner up tracked the pace, the winner was going 2 to everything else's 1 when DB asked him up. Wasn't a pace collapse.

Is it in The Greatwood?

Broke the track record and covered an extra half a furlong by going 5 wide round the last bend... How is that possible ?

Sorry, but the facts do not add up to my mind.

Are we saying that Ethical diamond is soo much faster than all the other top horses in the world that he can travel further distance than they did and still break a track record ?

Then we have seen greatness, arise Sir Pegasus.
Sorry, but im going to be sceptical and sit this one out for the time being.
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Vintage crop down the field in a champion hurdle after all his exploits on the flat

Get's some decently bred 2 Yrolds,the Classics could be on the agenda.

I did think he had something like that in him. And the US conditions (very fast), draw, likely pace and turning track. Yes, shameless aftertiming

Plus DB who is not normal, but at least that bit isn't after timing

Oneten, your facts are wrong there. The drugs that were found in the vet's jeep were animal remedies, which you will find tonnes of in any vet's jeep, not illegal performance-enhancing drugs. The reason the vet got himself in trouble was because he did not buy them directly from the Dept of Agriculture and therefore avoided paying the appropriate veterinary tax.The scandal, if you could call it that, had nothing to do with Mullins.

Mullins buys well , trains well , and has the best team of horsemen in the NH world working with him. Simple formula , difficult to compete against such a set up . And great family history to boot .

Difficult to see where Ethical Diamond next sets foot on na race course. Most valuable horse in yard now .What price would he be if he was in the Melbourne Cup on Tuesday?

Might go for the Coronation Cup @Epsom.

I don't think there's anything untoward. But I've stated before, the Mullins mafia are absolutely ruthless, and would do anything to win that is allowed. Which is a juxtaposition to his affable, happy go lucky, public persona.

He didn't really need to try and nick the UK title off Skelton again. But, it was a demonstration of power and a show of arrogance. It was quite funny how Ruby went to Gordon Elliott to interview him for rtv. Definite shades of patronising there, telling Gordon how well he has done for the season so far, how well he does every year at DR, and all of his yard can't be winter horses lol.

First time visor, sorry and I dont wish to argue, BUT i am 100% correct, they absolutely were illegal drugs for anti bleeding etc and others .
Nothing to do with regular remedies.. Vets dont get struck off for a few years for buying legal drugs from the wrong vendor...

The British Horseracing Authority has charged a veterinary surgeon who works for champion trainer Willie Mullins with passing on inside information. He has been called to appear before a BHA disciplinary hearing in July.

Tim Brennan is accused of informing his brother about an injury to Faugheen shortly before information became public that the hot favourite for the 2016 Champion Hurdle at Cheltenham would miss the race.
Michael Brennan is alleged to have subsequently placed 'lay' bets against the horse in betting markets with liabilities of several thousand euro. He refused to cooperate with a BHA investigation and was declared a disqualified person from the sport in October of 2016.

If found guilty of breaking BHA rules relating to commissioning or conspiring in corrupt or fraudulent practises Tim Brennan could be banned from racecourses and licensed premises.

Mullins is not involved in the case and the BHA has said there is no suggestion he or staff members at his Co Carlow stables were aware of Tim Brennan’s alleged actions. Mullins was unavailable for comment on Monday.

Last year Brennan pleaded guilty to possession of unauthorised medicines following the discovery of unlicensed substances in his van at Mullins’s yard. No conviction was recorded against him after it was judged the offences were “purely regulatory.”

Faugheen had been an odds on favourite for the 2016 Champion Hurdle until Mullins revealed he had suffered a ligament injury and would miss the rest of that season. Prior to Mullins’s announcement Faugheen’s price on betting exchanges drifted to odds against.

Later that year the BHA revealed it was investigating suspicious betting patterns surrounding the withdrawal of the horse. The BHA disciplinary hearing is due to be heard on July 16th and 17th.

Willie Mullins, absolute top trainer, the finest and seemingly getting better and better, good luck to him.

I agree with you but there is something very incongruous about this win.

I agree with honcho lovely word BTW had to Google it and I like to think I know everything

Oneten, I have no great desire to argue either but I don't want to say nothing when you are 100% wrong with the facts. The vet was never struck off. He got a rap on the knuckles with a fine of a couple of grand for not paying Revenue. The drugs were not illegal which is important to point out and Willie Mullins never had any case to answer and nor was he asked to by the authotities.

Jacko

We all know everything on here but on this occasion I to had to look it up.

Got to feel for Elliott, practically goes through the card one week and still isn't responsible for the greatest feat of training by an Irish trainer in the states in the last fortnight

Good point

I wonder what the yanks thought of Gordon last week I presume they interviewed him

Sry chaps.  Just sounded the right word.  Was always quite a swot at English!
Once called Boris Johnson a mountebank on here.  That raised a few eyebrows too but certainly fitted the bill for me.

Just looked that one up also loyal great word shame it’s an accurate description of boris who I had great hopes for.

First time visor,

Apologies its possible my memory made a mistake as I remembered something about brennan being warned off . It seems it was mullins vet passing in fo to his brother who got warned off for laying

vet who works for Ireland's champion jumps trainer Willie Mullins has been charged with passing on inside information and enabling his brother to 'cheat at betting' ahead of Faugheen's withdrawal from the 2016 Champion Hurdle.

A statement issued by the British Horseracing Authority said Timothy Brennan, a long-time veterinary surgeon for the Mullins stable, is charged with passing information to his brother Michael about an injury that ruled Faugheen out of the Champion Hurdle and allowed Michael to bet on the horse not winning the race before the news became public.

If found guilty, Timothy could be banned from the sport for 10 years, with the BHA expecting the Irish authorities to reciprocate the ban.

Illegal substances were found in vet’s jeep at trainer’s yard
Handler declined to comment after cleared of any knowledge
Chris Cook
Wed 5 Apr 2017 19.44 BST
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Irish authorities have clarified that no suspicions are harboured about the champion jumps trainer Willie Mullins, following news that a vet is accused of possessing unauthorised drugs while he was visiting Mullins’s stable in Carlow. Tim Brennan appeared in Kilkenny district court last week facing 14 charges and is due to appear again for a procedural hearing later this month.

Again, for the record, not illegal substances but the vet bought them directly from stores rather than through the Departmrnt of Agri. A bit like a pub landlord buying stock from an off licence rather than through the brewery. Nothing to do with Mullins at all but merely a regulatory issue between the Department and the vet and nothing to see from a racing perspective.

According to a summons seen by the Guardian, Brennan is charged with possessing five drugs which are not authorised for use as animal remedies under Irish law. These are quinidine sulfate, used in cases of irregular heartbeat, P-Block, a painkiller, Cortalone, an anti-inflammatory, Catosal, used to tackle B12 deficiency, and Hemo 15, which can be used to assist post-exercise recovery or to treat anaemia.

P-Block is on the banned list maintained by the International Equine Federation. Hemo 15 contains small amounts of cobalt, a possible source of concern since cobalt can be used to induce EPO in an attempt to delay fatigue.

Illegal drugs according to the papers . Not authorised for use as animal remedies and also on the banned list maintained by the FEI

You do realise that you are allowed to use lots of medications on horses but they cannot run while on medication.

Salient point.

Nov 2, 2025 -- 6:58PM, firstimevisor wrote:

You do realise that you are allowed to use lots of medications on horses but they cannot run while on medication.

Or someone like WPM has found a way of doing both

They don’t all win, mullings had a 12/1 out of form runner in the afternoon and at that price I can afford to get it wrong, mullings had a 30/1 shot and won its last 2 doing handsprings, he was there in person, I’m a O’Brien fan as well buy the fav has had a hard season so  left it alone, horses can improve a stone plus but your betting the greatest trainer we have ever seen, the last one was m pipe imo,so they don’t come around often and if you know your racing you would have had a small saver on him at least, he’s been my favorite trainer for last 15-20 years and O’Brien, enjoy why we still have them because it will be another long time before  we get there like again, just a magnificent training performance

Of course I am aware you can use plenty of drugs and creams which have to be withdrawn before race day .
And your point is ?

You were saying a few posts ago that the vet did the equivalent of running a pub but bought his beer from an off licence and not through the brewery. 

Yet (and apologise for repeating this , but :

According to a summons seen by the Guardian, Brennan is charged with possessing five drugs which are not authorised for use as animal remedies under Irish law. These are quinidine sulfate, used in cases of irregular heartbeat, P-Block, a painkiller, Cortalone, an anti-inflammatory, Catosal, used to tackle B12 deficiency, and Hemo 15, which can be used to assist post-exercise recovery or to treat anaemia.

P-Block is on the banned list maintained by the International Equine Federation. Hemo 15 contains small amounts of cobalt, a possible source of concern since cobalt can be used to induce EPO in an attempt to delay fatigue.

And the same vet - brennan - charged with passing on inside info , and his brother warned off for using that info to lay faugheen for thousands , out from 1-2 to odds against.

Seems like mullins vet is less than straight.

The vet got a 2 month suspension where i thoght he was fined. Otherwise my point is the same. This case was not about illegal, performance-enhancing drugs. Court report below




The president of the High Court has confirmed a recommended two-month suspension of well-known equestrian vet Timothy Brennan from the register of vets here.

Ms Justice Mary Irvine said, while she considered the length of suspension recommended by the Veterinary Council of Ireland as lenient, the leniency was not unreasonable so as to justify the court not confirming it.

On the application of Conor Halpin SC, for Mr Brennan, she agreed to defer commencement of the suspension to December 20th and to stay the execution of a costs order until a month after Mr Brennan has resumed work.

The council sought the suspension arising from findings of professional misconduct against Mr Brennan, a vet for the stables of champion trainer Willie Mullins.

JP McDowell, of Fieldfisher solicitors, for the council, previously said the application arose from an inspection by Department of Agriculture officials at a horse trainer’s yard on February 9th, 2015 which identified bottles with deficient labelling and lacking serial numbers.

When Mr Brennan’s vehicle was inspected, five bottles of unauthorised animal remedies were found and seized and Mr Brennan admitted in a later interview with officials he did not have records at his practice of the products seized.

Mr Brennan, of GCS Veterinary, Gowran Castle Stud, Gowran, Co Kilkenny, pleaded guilty in 2018 at Kilkenny District Court to three charges of having unauthorised animal medications and one of failing to keep records in respect of a named animal remedy.

A fitness to practise committee of the council held an inquiry in October 2018 at which Mr Brennan made admissions of fact in relation to four allegations against him of breaches of certain European Communities (Animal Remedies) Regulations 2007.

The committee found proven the first allegation, that he failed to provide an adequate description of the animal/s in relation to a prescription of January 21st, 2014 and another on October 5th, 2015.

It also found proven three other allegations – having unauthorised animal remedies on February 9th 2015; failing, on four different dates in January and February 2015, to include the serial number on the label affixed to certain animal remedies; and failing on April 20th, 2015, to keep at his premises records in respect of transactions concerning a number of animal remedies. The committee found those three allegations, taken individually, amounted to professional misconduct and recommended a four-month suspension.

Last October, the council considered the committee’s report and found the professional misconduct was extremely serious. Having considered mitigating factors, it recommended a two-month suspension of Mr Brennan’s registration.

In her judgment on Monday, Ms Justice Irvine said the council was wrong in law in treating as mitigating factors that there were “devastating personal tragedies” in Mr Brennan’s life at the time of the misconduct and its view there would be no repeat of the misconduct.

Mr Brennan, as with all members of his profession, was obliged to practise according to the relevant professional standards, she said.

She decided against returning the matter to the council for reconsideration for reasons including she considered its recommendation was unlikely to change because it had probably given more weight to other factors it properly considered in mitigation and it was also likely to hear submissions about the impact on Mr Brennan of damaging publicity about these events.

While it was important to remind professionals whose conduct was liable to sanction that it was not the courts’ role to just “rubber stamp” the decisions of their governing bodies, this was not a case for the court to impose a different sanction than that recommended, she said.

Her own view that the sanction was less stringent than it should have been was not a basis to set it aside, she said. The sanction still makes clear the seriousness of the misconduct and points out the gravity of it to other members of the profession.

And sets a precedent and gives a clear warning of the potential consequences of any repeat.

I'm reading allusions towards performance-enhancing assistance in a couple of posts, from forumites obviously much better qualified than me to cast them.  I hope that the "breakfast of champions" is ready and waiting for ABSURDE about now.