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Yes you're dismissing the bets out of hand like they are ridiculous. Personally, if I did that about long shots and then was proved wrong, I would be suitably embarrassed. It's nothing to do with humour/banter, seems like a touch of belittling. It was one of the more interesting OPs in the general sea of nonsense. I personally appreciate reasoned bet posts that get me thinking a bit. Even if I don't end up participating.
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statistically, bowen is getting the rides / strike rate required to consistently go over 200, the bet is how many over and that's where the weather, falls or suspensions come into play, i also wish the op gl it's a fun bet for the season
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As regards your sniping comments, it’s works both ways, when someone
Posts a pre race read, and gets it right, there’s a distinct lack of people Saying so But get it wrong and there’s any number of clueless gits head straight back To the thread, to have a pop, tge same clueless gits, that didn’t offer opinion Pre race ?? There’s no belittling here only an opinion, good luck to the punter if he draws But the true odds and of Bowen on both markets, are far greater than odds quoted And no doubt when it becomes obvious more than likely through injury or suspensions, you Will be gracious enough to say do ??? |
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what a ride
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970 in the run
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BuZZiN!
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Wow, just wow
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Amazin
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Picked it up and carried it.
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did ya perm em again reg?
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7lb better than any other tbh…..man possessed in a finish…..McCoy with a better personality,which wouldn’t be difficult…
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Yes Foyles, posted earlier on this thread
So far, at BOG, 4/1,18/1,L,9/2 One to go at 2/1 And upped my stakes from yesterday |
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wd reg
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Meant to add, got 6 quid worth of the ppot, paid £217 for a pound, just by combining his rides with favs... The 4th race made it
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Bowen donated his prize money from the summer jumps to charity
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Jesus, hé rides So short
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ponchoslament22 Oct 25 15:58
But to clarify hé has absolutely no chance of riding 290 winners, And a remote chance of 250, offered odds, are hugely under the true Odds, but there’s 1000’s of mugs out there, who have no understanding Of true odds. The trader thst set the market, will know the likely true odds I emailed Betfair this morning asking them to put both markets up on the exchange. If a few other people did likewise then perhaps poncho can put his money where his mouth is ![]() |
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The unbelievable irony of claiming that traders know the likely true odds in specials markets
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True odds on markets like that don't exist as it's all about gut feel and to a degree putting the feelers out to find out the lowest odds punters will take.
As Cider rightly says though traders can't create most special markets with anymore more accuracy than the punter in reality hence why the max bet is invariably so small , and as we've seen many times in the past sometimes the mugs in these scenarios are the traders themselves. All that said i've no personal clue what the true odds are in this case and believe i'm in the same boat as everyone else. |
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Your first sentence means that it is/was the biggest opportunity in any type of betting, by a wide distance. Unless you have inside information or an edge like fast pics. They are often lazily priced up, sometimes deliberately conservatively (they think). As you allude to Hayden, getting enough on is the only problem (when the inevitable ricks are made).
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Was the 'hole in one' coup a real thing, or an old wives' tale Hayden (if it happened in your time, probably before).
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One of the best ever jump jockeys
Wins so many races he shouldn't |
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Was definitely real Cider but the coup initially was a long time ago , remember bookmarking a clip with some details.......
https://www.gambling.com/uk/news/the-hole-in-one-gang-how-golf-bettors-beat-the-bookies-2232000 |
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NH Total. 396-113. 28.54%
He's a class act imo well done again reg great stuff |
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Of course théy know the true odds, Jesus, théy will quickly
Money if they the odds are to big ffs. Here there’s 25s, but the horse is a 6/1 Shot, his true odds are 6, not 25s, it’s there f arking job to price the market accurately |
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Cheers Jacko and others
As I said earlier, I've not studied form, just blindly backed the best jockey in a lucky31 for his 5 rides yesterday and today And got 4 out of 5 twice I'd have rather had 0/5 and 5/5, especially today but... He's won me about 8 grand in 2 days, including the Placepots I'm probably a medium stakes player, I lay out about 100 quid a day and double that on Saturday or festivals Couldn't do it again tomorrow, or Cheltenham Friday/Saturday could he? |
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You never know Reg and it's practically a freebie for you to find out after the last couple of successful days , if it does happen this thread will be bumped for years to come
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So how did they come up with the opening odds??
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He's getting there, Hayden
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Of course it's a guess. Educated guess perhaps. How does a compiler price up IAC before the market has formed on here (as an example). They are guessing. That's why they put up football raconteur Harry Redknapp up at 10-1. If you didn't know how Harry could hold court, he was just another crusty former football manager. And he was trading evens after a couple of days.
As some will know, xmas #1 is my raison d'être in the gambling world, and you could get £Ks of liability back in the day, and multiple bookmakers. Alas, that level of opportunity is gone. But they are still putting up markets for it, and still guessing. Like they made Band Aid fav last year when it should have been about 20-1! |
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I've just posted a response to the last post Ponch but it's been tagged for moderator approval for some reason
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Who is betting on Everton specials?
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Interesting that just now on rtv, Jacob who says he knows Bowen well, indicates that Bowen is targeting all of APs records.
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Cidre, you are totally clueless, you have no idea
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Welcome to my club cider or if u can't spell correctly cidre
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Csnt spell cider
thick as pig **** too |
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Imagine unknowingly mocking yourself i csnt stop psml that's it from me over and out
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