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He says he got it wrong with the horse. They knew it was a bleeder so why bring it back in a G1? You can't knock Haggas's record lately but maybe this was a bad move. Doubt we'll see it again.
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What other options were available?
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if it's a bleeder, it might bleed in a seller.
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Exactly,swifty
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If it was working Ok why not try it in a lower grade, perhaps York.
Slightly separate point: Graffard said about Calandagan "we didn't want to be greedy" after winning the K G. He's a guy I'll follow. |
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Haggis hates York
Think you are bit late for the FHG train. Hes always tres court nowadays |
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Yet another certifiable emerges
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If Stoutey can be excused for running Ajdal in a Derby I think we can excuse Haggas for this error in judgement.
 He doesn’t make many does he. |
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Was it even a mistake?
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Did you have a view on the sand being kicked up there,Honcho?
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True. He didn’t walk away and hide either.
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The trouble with "Bleeders" is you will never know until you run them
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That is stating the bleedin obvious
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A Trainer I knew many years ago used to give "bleeders" snake venom which worked for him
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Economics had a racecourse gallop at Newmarket, which they showed on rtv.
Of course, they aren't 100% reliable but he was deeply unimpressive. |
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Here it is actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVcXT3tdqYI |
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The horse wants further, he’s not quick
Enough over 1 Mile 2 at G1 level. Problem Is, they were trying to make him a stallion, and thé Further hé goes, thé less he’s worth. Starts winning Over a mile and half plus, he’s then a 5k jump sire |
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We'll forget about the Irish Champion!
I think that race bottomed him, personally. Had a VERY hard race. |
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He’s a Night of thunder colt, who will be 250k next year
So he’d be the only N.O.T at stud, but the horse is just A galloper, and now a bleeder, he’s bled a few times. They have to retire him now, but a risky proposition as A stallion ?? |
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Hé was flat out thst dsy, one of the first off it,
Hé Won despite the trip. Hé wants further |
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And hé beat another Mile and a half horse
That day, In Ausgute Rodin |
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Wouldn’t mind betting AR ends up covering jump mares.He’s a deep Impact
Although Coolmore will give him every chance first 3 Seasons, at 30k ?? |
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uptheirons 19 Oct 25 20:01
A Trainer I knew many years ago used to give "bleeders" snake venom which worked for him But did it work on the horse? |
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Cider 19 Oct 25 20:08
Economics had a racecourse gallop at Newmarket, which they showed on rtv. Of course, they aren't 100% reliable but he was deeply unimpressive. max lay yest i presume? |
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I’m not sure Cidre bets, I don’t see where he gets the time ?
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He beat Dubai Honour in the gallop who ran well today in France, but the worth of gallops 'form' is? without weights, times etc, only that he didn't bleed.
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not sure what can be derived from a racecourse gallop where all 3 were being nudgled along.
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Gallops are worthless as you don't know the weights being carried by either
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is 'nudgled' a mix of nudged and strangled??
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and puggled.
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Give you an extreme example of gallops
Was on thé heath one day, watching Stoutys work A horse called calling dot worked with Golan And one other, csnt remember its name, good horse Worked over 7, calling dot com, was unraced, it kicked Both horses out of the way, won gallop by 6 lengths, gorgeous Looking horse, Yarmy was screaming accross thst heath, whats thst, whats x is riding, It ran in 3 maidens, backed it twice, well best all 3, always an Excuse. I think it got 42 from memory, not sure stouty ever ran One thst low. We drove to Yarmouth to bet it in the H/csp, had a good bet at 4s Well beat. A very very expensive lesson learned. I think Ivan Allen owned it |
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"Morning Glories" was what they are known as,poncho
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Since they knew it was a public gallop, they would have wanted Economics to look good, but he didn't.
No I don't lay long odds against. He wasn't even fancied anyway. I posted about the racecourse gallop as people are moaning that he shouldn't have come back in a group 1. However, he had a hard enough racecourse gallop there, not like the horse knows the difference. |
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Oh dont I know thst Irons, got to do it on the track.
It was in the sales we were going to nick It But I think he sent it to littmoden, hé won races with It. It needed to find all the trouble goin in a race, bury it Tge pack, thst kept it interested, used to travel over Everything at home |
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That is exactly my point,poncho
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Good stuff poncho.
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as sed above,how can ewe possibly take heed from gallop work unless ewe nah what weights on their backs?
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You can't, but fortunately we were gifted with logic. It's not usually the aim to make it look like potential stallions struggle to beat inferior rival in a public racecourse gallop. They aren't prepping him for a 0-70!
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they were all nudged along..just a bit exercise.
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