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They are trying to make Reeves think again. We will see more of this before the budget. Shaving a few % of the SP's is not making enough.
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Very sad to say other firms will follow exes going through the roof takings going through the floor looked at the figures one day just as racing was starting 150 bets total stake 400 quid sad to say the race to race 50 punter has long gone.and before anybody asks the fobts have had there day. Just had a lovely pork dinner with a couple of glasses of merlot. Hope you are all well. Ronnie.
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Best news from 'billy' for a long while. I hope more of the same from their counterparts. There are too many high street bookies for the "service" they are licensed to provide ie take bets, and none will take a proper bet without due diligence.
Most bookies on the high street are there solely to compete with one another for the players or addicts of fobts - nothing else. Even the use of the toilet will elicit a 1st degree inquest prior. |
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Boylev want lot more shops in UK.....they will take them
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Second covid lock down killed the shops, imo it's not scare mongering, 100's of shops will go.
Opening longer hours, with no business there, the last few years was mental. Not self regulating the fobts, poor senior management making poor decisions, how they implemented proof of income, providing ID, it's all come home to roost. |
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I've not entered a bookie shop for over 10 years, and I'm a punter. The clientele and the staff in the shops are so different to those since the late 80's or 90's. Most are nearly totally clueless (fobt custodians) eg Paddy in Morden.
I'm embarrassed to be seen in a present bookie because of fobt or to be associated with the regular fobt players / addicts. |
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Dealer. May I ask you what's the answer to save the shops or is it to late.
Hope you are well. |
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son of a good mate of mine just opened a pub,in centre of what was once deep punting country with a corals next to pub, and been holding all sorts of events,football on TV,rangers days when they play suns,free pool etc ,yesterday they advertised it as RACING DAY,racing on all TV screens,free pool, raffles etc, all because there was no EPL or CHAMPIONSHIP football,that's racing these days just a substtute for things that are far more popular/profitable with consumers etc ,etc
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I've retired Ronnie, took my pension early, doing great.
I think they are gone in their present state. Go betting terminals and fobts only, horse racing is gone imo, ideally go tote only, do away with papers, live pictures, screens,open them 9.00 till 6.30. A bit radical but would slash expenses, staffing costs and might give them a few years |
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even on course maj bet on their phones now/or tote so if UK went to french model and had betting terminals in cafes, pubs,shopping centres etc,would people be attracted to them like they are to buying lottery tkts, even if only to do tote style once in a lifetime exotic bets like in USA,ozz,far east etc
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Thank Dealer enjoy your retirement.
Ronnie. |
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Merkur slots - open 24/7. They have 220+ sites and are looking for more, so probably more than happy to take over many of the leases if there are a sufficient number of degenerate addicts in the locality.
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Spoylesports signed a parnership with the Irons.
Could be Championship next season at this rate. Commercial officer wants to enhance the customer experience. Try getting young people to work in Betting shops that seem midly interested in Sport? Good luck with that venture. Looking for 200 shops so they could well take up the Billy space left behind. They have a loyalty card(who doesn't) to create an omnipresent experience for the punter (who is already being forced into producing docs to prove they have the wherewithall to afford their gambling experience). On the face of it, it seems bonkers to take over where others are in retreat and not knowing the extent of tax increases (should they appear). |
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havent laid bets for years, good riddance
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havent laid bets for years, good riddance
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'ronnie rails', hope you're good.
Bookies must eg:- 1) take bets from recreational (horseracing) punters even for as little as £100 regularly. This is vitally important for high street bookies. The online competition is too insurmountable to ignore or compete with; punters are lazy unless there's an advantage to use shops. 2) employ staff who are knowledgeable of the products; friendly and able to relate to customers; make shops more user-friendly eg occasional free coffee (spend dependent perhaps eg Waitrose), allow the use of toilets eg major supermarkets, as most shops on the high streets do not now, to passers-by who could be potential customers; I'd been known to go come out with a bag of shopping. In truth there is still too many bookies on the high street despite the recent trend of shop closures all chasing the lazy, easy, assured and predictable profits from fobt. I'm afraid more shop closures are inevitable, just the sign of the time, and not bookie specific. I believe high street bookies will need to provide something different that non-bookie shops in the high street do not. |
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You're only saying exactly the same thing you've said dozens of times before.
I think everyone got the message years ago so what's the point in repeating yourself again. |
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Impossible.
Thanks for talking time to reply in my honest view the shops need 50 or hundred pounds race to race punters but sadly there is none about. Ronnie 6th |
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once you've left the betting shop like I have never been in one for 20 yrs and seems 99% of those on here have,no earthly reason ever to go back in to one and no idea why any newby punter would
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Give 20 cups of coffee away .Ronnie
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that's the point unless Ronnie is employing a trained barista customers would feel insulted at been offered a cup of coffee unless it came with a dozen options a dozen shots options,Italian biscotti or homemade carrot cake
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A Ladbrokes manager told me yesterday that bets put on over the counter are double result but if done on the machine official result only.
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Second Again. And not bog.
Hope you are well. Ronnie. |
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A £100/race punter would lose about £10-20 per race.
How long before an affordability check? If savings don't count not many would be able to lose at that rate. |
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Thanks Ronnie, I am good enjoy your wine.
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Hey Ronnie, you will know roughly how much a betting shop has to make on a yearly basis to cover all expenses, correct me if my anaalysis is wrong.
SAY A SHOP TAKES £2.5 MILLION A YEAR OTC- Thats £50K per week - AND RUNS AT 15% - PROFIT £375000 Annual wages will be £110k mininimum? Staff and cleaner. Annual Rent and Rates will be £65k minimum? Media rights, is it £40k per shop annually? Running costs, gambling commission, sky, tv licences, electriciy, water, newspapers, stationary etc £40k minimum a year? Levy(10%) & Gross Profits (15%) tax on OTC business, so 25% OF £375k = £94.5K Central costs to cover middle management, HR, central office staff, central office rent and rates, £40K Employer NI conntributions of about £12k I'm sure there are other costs I cannot think of. All of a sudden costs are exceeding profits! If the GP tax is increased then those costs go up, to offset this bookmakers will try to incease margins, ie no BOG and betting to bigger over-rounds Hence shops need the additinal income of FOBTS, but from what I see, they've had the day, and an increase in FOBT tax will drive them further in to decline. The average shop will make £50k a year profit off Fobts and pay £10k of that in tax - that leaves £40k. Even the FOBT's don't save an average shop. THE SHIP HAS LONG SAILED IMO, AND IF REEVES INCREASES TAX ON SHOPS THEN THEIR DEMISE WILL BE RAPID |
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turned their back on regular punters years ago, put all their eggs in the FOBT basket. now that's drying up they've no need for shops anymore, all the punters are long gone. reaping what they sowed.
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Betting shops are desolate spaces.
They used to be part of the community. The truth is that Hills and others WANT to get rid of any staff with long service. |
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The Goddess.The average otc for the week in dark and depressed Darlo shops is 15 k sad but true
Hope you are well. Ronnie |
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if you go into a bookie nowadays there's a very good chance you'll be the only customer in there, one guy behind the counter getting paid £12 an hour for watching Youtube on his phone.
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for most bookies now ,only races without enhanced places are BOG, on here we,re knee deep in the game and how many times a week do you benefit from a BOG horse winning ?,the reason supposed shrewdies take a price is because they think its a bookies Rick not expecting to benefit for BOG,
industry prices are a con maj of early prices set below expected sp boosts ,just lowest price boosted to where bookmakers think sp will be, lots of people now bet as close to off time as they can,dozens of horses now put up by tipsters with a following as a price Rick and go off at 30,50,70%,double the price they thought was a Rick,especially on the longer price runners,that's without betfair sp |
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A great difference now to even ten years ago being there is no independent input to the official SP. Bookies just do as they want and my guess is they finesse prices on the run in or after: - put it this way, you won't know the SP until the industry liabilities are weighed. Contrast with BSP.
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industry sp's follow here.
if a horse goes 5.1 to 4.9 here there's not a bookie in the world still showing 4/1 |
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Rails bookies have one person taking bets, and another behind the curtain pressing buttons on the Botfair machine.
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Leif..
Plenty of red flashing lights at York the weekend and not just on the danc floor. Hope you are well. Ronnie. |
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Good hope they all shut wont take a bet want all the mugs on the terminals been fleecing all the mugs for years hope they tax them for the full 40% c@nts
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10/1 firms 16s plus 20/1 firms 30s plus on here come racing ? no the value is on here !
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