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Perhaps you can expand on that comment acey? If you mean racing then we all have a choice. Love every minute of a great sport, use it as a betting medium or ignore it completely. I have been in the first camp for 75 years since I was taken to ptps every Saturday as a child. I bet most days, follow owners and trainers and stand at a loss of £45 this year on about £4000 turnover. I rarely show a profit on a whole year but only lose pocket money which is fine by me. I increasingly avoid the Festival meetings as I can't bring myself to back Irish trained horses.
gambling is in fact as Harry Findlay once famously said the greatest game in the world ,the highs and lows the feeling of backing a big priced winner is hard to match ,you could be doing your money and everything is looking bleak you are in the gutter ...........then bang you knock one up at 20s or 25s and you are reaching for the stars . I have to agree with Harry !
Harry ended up potless.
Like many I read his book gambling for life which should have been called,Living to Gamble.
Nevertheless,he lived a life that many would envy
Like many I read his book gambling for life which should have been called,Living to Gamble.
Nevertheless,he lived a life that many would envy
Some of these results p1sh me right aff.....Look i love the game but gambling to make money?....Dont make me laugh ffs.
99.9% of people who fish or play golf don't do it to make money acey
Acey assumes that because he cannot make it pay others cannot either.
Nobody said it was easy to do so
Nobody said it was easy to do so
To the skilled, horse racing wagering is a positive expectancy event.
Hence, it is not gambling
Hence, it is not gambling
Dave made it pay in 80s driving to every course staying in b and bs. Fish suppers and wine every evening and bag of sweets. Now it's a hunner percent book
I worked in Racing for 40 Years and could not make money so what earthly chance do the rest of you Mugs have ffs.
Aye we all get our good runs but long term no fakin chance of making money....Just look at it as paying for your entertainment.
Only rico makes money from gambling on Horse Racing lmfaro.
Oct 12, 2025 -- 3:53PM, acey deucy wrote:
Am i right or am i right?
you are right Acey
acey deucy 12 Oct 25 15:50
I worked in Racing for 40 Years
selling manure?
I worked in Racing for 40 Years
selling manure?
Thank you Mick, i was a decent work rider rico and rode a few Greats...Nashwan Dayjur Time Charter and a good old Stayer Drum Taps amongst others.
The Stable Staff I dealt with usually lived from hand to mouth,Acey.
That is not a criticism,merely a fact
That is not a criticism,merely a fact
They were always looked after when a "touch" was landed
for 40 years I was a test pilot ............................................................................... a broom factory !
Your a pretty good Judge foyle are you up or down from gambling over the years?
acey from 50 years betting the first 40 to 45 years I was the same as most punters doing dough on a regular basis ,the 1st 10 -20 years in betting shops before online most if not all done their bollax ,thing is most including me didn't really give a shyte we were young and it was easy come easy go, the early years you serve an apprenticeship where you learn how to lose consistently and a win now and then keeps the momentum going ,obviously I will never get back 50 odd years of dough, that's gone but COVID gave me a break from betting and I had time to think and realise where I was doing wrong ,still make plenty of mistakes and sometimes go in too crazy on one I fancy usually with disastrous results but on the other hand on the odd occasion have gone smashing in and its won at a big price . obviously over a lifetime I am well down and have little chance of getting that back but I like to think I am in control now and more selective obviously still have more losers than winners but now and then hit a biggie .
I try to keep it as simple as I can I don't study form in detail it just tied me in knots most punters cannot see past the 1st 2 or 3 in the betting and take too much notice of write ups and tipsters .
I try to keep it as simple as I can I don't study form in detail it just tied me in knots most punters cannot see past the 1st 2 or 3 in the betting and take too much notice of write ups and tipsters .
as he worked in a broom factory i'd have expected him to say he cleaned up
i got swept up in the pursuit of trying to win a few quid elise !
Most of us here would be considerably better off if we layed everything we backed but real life doesn't work like that.
get a mate to pick a horse in every race and lay it...
paper trade it for 12mths
paper trade it for 12mths
like most things if you enjoy gambling and can keep it under control then there is no harm having a bet or many bets ,back in the 70s some punters would stand in the bookies all day betting on nearly every race an old boy I knew would bet on most races all afternoon most would say he had a problem but he had it under control imo he would go into the same bookies every day no Sunday racing them days so 6 days a week bet 15 pence ew on the tote on 10/1 or bigger pokes 1 per race most would lose or he would get a few places and every now and then he would hit a winner it didn't matter to him if he lost at the end of the day as he had got his entertainment he was with fellow punters having a laugh and banter and he enjoyed what he was doing and it floated his boat so to speak.
Absolutely right Foyles. I worked in 3 betting shops as a young man in late 60s and never knew any customer who won in the long run or who had a problem. It was just entertainment. Nobody should expect to win but if you do, count yourself very lucky.
No disrespect Acey but how anyone can be involved in racing for 40 years but gets upset when formbook gets thrown out of the window is beyond me.
No disrespect Acey but how anyone can be involved in racing for 40 years but gets upset when formbook gets thrown out of the window is beyond me.
If you didn't have a "lightbulb moment" pretty much the first time you saw the Betfair interface - and 25 years later you still haven't - there is no hope for you.
There are many ways to skin a cat - but betting like it's still the 1980's (searching pre-race for the winner of a horse race) is akin to trying to skin a cat with one of those wooden forks from the chippy.
There are many ways to skin a cat - but betting like it's still the 1980's (searching pre-race for the winner of a horse race) is akin to trying to skin a cat with one of those wooden forks from the chippy.
each to their own management for me finding winners especially in group races or graded races is what I enjoy trying to do ,some prefer trading laying etc I am not dependant on having to win have other forms of income so if I win or lose in the long run it don't matter to me.
As you say Foyles, each to their own. If your objective is enjoyment and you are enjoying yourself - job done.
obviously we would all like to win every time it may be possible on here trading laying or whatever to win 99/times out of a 100 I don't know I've never felt the need to explore it,some may risk a grand to win a score and good luck to them but it doesn't appeal to me and if I'm honest I prob haven't got the arshole to play that way.
I'd say you've got a straight choice between looking for winners or looking for a profit - because looking for winners to achieve a profit is not something many people are capable of doing.
It's not a coincidence (imo) that there is only one long-standing poster of (pre-race) selections on here (that keeps an accurate/honest running total of P&L).
My comments aren't really aimed at you Foyles - you sound happy enough with your lot - but the opening poster sounds like he is fed up with losing.
It's not a coincidence (imo) that there is only one long-standing poster of (pre-race) selections on here (that keeps an accurate/honest running total of P&L).
My comments aren't really aimed at you Foyles - you sound happy enough with your lot - but the opening poster sounds like he is fed up with losing.
prob needs to ask himself does he really want to win or like most happy to win a decent amount now and then ,backing pre race shortish prices in my exp unless you are selective in the extreme by that I mean may be one or 2 bets a in a couple of months for example you wont win long term, even at that rate you still need a very good strike rate at the prices .
respect to George I found it played with my mind and affected my actions keeping a record of p&l . I put em up sometimes obviously I'll have more winners than losers but at big prices a winner often wipes out a whole lot of losers .
respect to George I found it played with my mind and affected my actions keeping a record of p&l . I put em up sometimes obviously I'll have more winners than losers but at big prices a winner often wipes out a whole lot of losers .
It may well not be the case for you foyles - but you've just (perhaps inadvertently) highlighted the secondary problem of making a profit via finding (pre-event) winners.
Even if you overcome the primary issue (the maths) and maybe you find a way of achieving a 3% strike rate at an average price of say 44.00 BFSP or a 5% strike rate at average price of say 24.00 BFSP, etc, etc, - you've done it, you've cracked it (on paper)!
But what about the reality and the variance?
How do you feel, (when as is to be expected at those prices) you find yourself on a run of say 80 or 100 consecutive losers (maybe also throw in a 33/1 winner that you didn't quite get matched because it fell a whisker short of your acceptable back price!) - how is your self-confidence, your resilience, your discipline, your self belief, etc?
Even if you crack the maths of pre-race, you've still got a secondary mountain to climb in terms of the mental fortitude required (that most people don't possess).
Even if you overcome the primary issue (the maths) and maybe you find a way of achieving a 3% strike rate at an average price of say 44.00 BFSP or a 5% strike rate at average price of say 24.00 BFSP, etc, etc, - you've done it, you've cracked it (on paper)!
But what about the reality and the variance?
How do you feel, (when as is to be expected at those prices) you find yourself on a run of say 80 or 100 consecutive losers (maybe also throw in a 33/1 winner that you didn't quite get matched because it fell a whisker short of your acceptable back price!) - how is your self-confidence, your resilience, your discipline, your self belief, etc?
Even if you crack the maths of pre-race, you've still got a secondary mountain to climb in terms of the mental fortitude required (that most people don't possess).
thankfully in the last 5 years ive never hit a run of losers anywhere that bad on the ones i put up on here which are main bets which i always back myself , sometimes i may have what i call impulse bets if the footy is on the box or if im watching the racing i might place bets just to keep me from getting bored but i dont put those type of bets up and they are to small stakes anyway and from a seperate bank to my main betting bank.as i say i put up more losers than winners but at the prices i play its to be expected.
There was an acey double yesterday Foyles, Stumptown and Saint Segal.
Cagliari should be ashamed to show imv,he chased the hibb in my opinion…..
Kept on nipping at the heels imo.
Kept on nipping at the heels imo.
Watching the Simcock horse going 10/1 and growing through the race acey has a point….
A dreadful advertisement for racing…..
A dreadful advertisement for racing…..
437 win singles to date this year. 98 of them have finished 2nd. Tearing out my reaming hair. Mugs game? Well maybe. This year has been a statistical freak on a monumental scale. A handful of photos the other way and the frustration would be elation. Will I do it all again next year? Never in doubt!
Corkscrew is the image which always comes to mind.
really is a khazi this card since switched from HQ
Flat racing in this Country towards the end of October has never been easy
Oct 18, 2025 -- 3:30PM, howard wrote:
are we all on prague at 1000 ?
yeah max bet
It's a **** meeting, the ground's gone, it's all bollox. With the kind of prize money available why not have it on mid season ground and call it something else? I think it's a total bollox meeting where it is. Shocking bad advert for racing. People will just think: what an expensive, ball-ache way of flushing money down the toilet.
Let's hope we get plenty of the forecast rain soon and get the NH Horses out
You can see why punters are turning there backs on betting on Horseracing.....It never used to be this bad i have all but giving up backing Horses.Like i keep saying even the mugs can only take so much.
Discipline has always been required Acey but God Knows what The COTC has done to the ground?
Can anyone remember seeing sand kicked up at this Meeting?
Can anyone remember seeing sand kicked up at this Meeting?
I saw it too, again. I wondered if it was put down specifically to make the bend safer? That wouldn’t though account for the first track I noticed it at previously. Is it maybe a dressing for the turf?. Doesn’t appear to kick up too high. Maybe Chamberpot could feature it on a forthcoming show in the interest of our information. That’s if he actually gives a fig for the regular racing fans.
More chance of young John Jo seeing a stride than making money gambling oan Horses.
Hundreds of millions of pounds from the new Tax! Had to come from somewhere, not shareholder! Hmmm
The weather again. I think JP is not pleased with the head honcho at Cheltenham. I think he reckoned the ground ought to have been watered. I lost my antepost on FTF too. The story of my anteposts this season. Thank goodness it's only a game.
I am drifting farther and farther from betting on Horse.....It's impossible ffs.
I dont Buddy Tennis Boxing and Football betting for me only.....Betting on Horses is fur Mugs.
Its A Wee Bit To Cold For The Fav....
acey deucy 13 May 26 16:03
Says Big John.
acey deucy 13 May 26 16:03
Absolute Cert ffs.
mugs game and still banging away...like ya missus when your at the pub.
acey deucy 13 May 26 16:03
Says Big John.
acey deucy 13 May 26 16:03
Absolute Cert ffs.
mugs game and still banging away...like ya missus when your at the pub.
At least you realise that your opinion is not worth backing on the Horses,Acey.
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