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By:
Cider
When: 18 Sep 25 21:12
It's not for no reason, they are thieves.
By:
uptheirons
When: 18 Sep 25 21:14
I hate Delbert if that helpsLaughLaugh
By:
Cider
When: 18 Sep 25 21:17
When he stated that the gypsies disappeared upon joining the EU, and that was a positive thing about the EU, I don't think he was making it up.
By:
Cider
When: 18 Sep 25 21:17
They weren't doctors or scientists, I suspect.
By:
comingupthehill
When: 18 Sep 25 21:22
It’s not about hating people.

We can’t feed the world,but you could starve trying,it’s that simple.

As for the eu,
These countries are all fairly ok,if Germany want to expand their business s opportunities,then its correct they pay some towards other countries,in return they might get cheaper labour from free movement of people.

It’s basically like everyone on a street,helping one of their neighbours clean up their garden cos they can’t afford to.

But world wide immigration helping ,just isn’t possible.

So it’s where you draw the line.

Why help a boat migrant but not one in Africa,there’s no difference,

It’s gesture politics.
By:
Cider
When: 18 Sep 25 21:29
It doesn't make any sense as the EU is a political project, not an economic one.

I have no problem offering genuine work visas where people are counted back out.

We had 3 million EU people that the government had no idea were here. How can you plan infrastructure and services when there are million of people legitimately here that the state has no idea about?
By:
Cider
When: 18 Sep 25 21:30
Of course it's decades since we did any proper planning anyway.
By:
CaptainCristy
When: 18 Sep 25 21:32
We’d know if they had to have an i.d card, but of course right wingers hate them
By:
Cider
When: 18 Sep 25 21:33
It's called a passport. A bit old fashioned now, but still effective.
By:
Cider
When: 18 Sep 25 21:35
Out of interest, Crusty. If you had an ID card system, and the policeman stopped a former student was only here to study, but the studies have ended, what would you do with them?
By:
Cider
When: 18 Sep 25 21:36
ie the study visa has now lapsed, and they are illegally in the country.
By:
CaptainCristy
When: 18 Sep 25 21:37
I’m not talking about specific cases, overall they would be a better idea, better than what you offer which is no idea.
By:
Cider
When: 18 Sep 25 21:38
A better idea for what? Having an ID card is irrelevant as you still wouldn't deport them.
By:
CaptainCristy
When: 18 Sep 25 21:40
Well, we could have sent them back to the EU, remember those 3 million?
By:
Cider
When: 18 Sep 25 21:41
They were here legitimately. The reason we didn't know about them was an establishment choice, not to count foreigners in and out.
By:
uptheirons
When: 18 Sep 25 21:42
The utter futility of political debate is demonstrated by this thread
By:
Cider
When: 18 Sep 25 21:43
Exposing Crusty's stupidity alone, is worth the typing :)
By:
CaptainCristy
When: 18 Sep 25 21:44

Sep 18, 2025 -- 9:41PM, Cider wrote:


They were here legitimately. The reason we didn't know about them was an establishment choice, not to count foreigners in and out.


The idea of you making me look stupid has never occurred to me since it has never happened.

By:
Cider
When: 18 Sep 25 21:44
My work here is done Laugh
By:
CaptainCristy
When: 18 Sep 25 21:46
School for you tomorrow, best toddle off
By:
Jacko2017
When: 18 Sep 25 21:50
A major investigation is under way to gather information about a businessman living with his family outside Cork City who is at the centre of a fraud and money laundering probe.
The Nigerian national, who has Irish citizenship and has been living here for 20 years, was “unknown” to gardaí prior to intelligence of widescale suspect ATM withdrawals that led to his arrest.
Detectives are trying to break into his phones — a process that can take some time — and are conducting inquiries to figure out if the man is linked to the infamous Black Axe gang or some other international fraud network or if he is running his own outfit.
He was arrested last Saturday under special gang legislation which allows for arrest — on applications to the courts — for up to seven days.
In linked operations last Saturday and Monday, officers from the Garda National Economic Crime Bureau (GNECB) seized more than €320,000 in cash and recovered almost 60 fraudulent bank cards, around 20 false identity documents and a large number of mobile phones.
€750k withdrawn from ATMs over two weeks
It is estimated €750,000 was withdrawn from ATMs in just the last two weeks, but gardaí do not yet know if that is a typical two-week period for this gang.
The money — suspected to be from business email fraud and other frauds carried out around the world — is lodged into accounts, primarily in Poland, and then withdrawn in Ireland.
The main suspect, aged in his 30s, has a home with his wife on the outskirts of Cork, where they have a number of children.
It is understood he has Irish citizenship and has been living here for 20 years. He has a business in Cork and also works a number of days in a major tech company in Dublin.
He was arrested by GNECB officers in Lucan, west Dublin, last Saturday, after withdrawing cash and returning to his car. Around €17,000 in cash was recovered from the car.
Gardaí also searched a property in Dublin, where they arrested a woman. A Nigerian national, she is suspected of being brought in to help with the withdrawals. Nothing was found in her home and she was released.
Gardaí then searched the man’s home, just outside Cork City, and seized almost €70,000 in cash, 57 bank cards and false IDs.
Gardaí identified the man rented a room in an apartment in Lucan and searched that on Monday. They recovered almost €237,000 in cash, along with nine passports, five driving licences, and three identity cards.
By:
Jacko2017
When: 18 Sep 25 21:51
A breaking story from my dear home town
By:
uptheirons
When: 18 Sep 25 22:05
A Nigerian criminal?
Whatever nextLaughLaughLaugh
By:
Jacko2017
When: 18 Sep 25 22:12
An Irish citizen u mean same entitlements as myself
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 18 Sep 25 22:19
Amazing.  Thanks for sharing.  Well done Garda.
By:
Regbutler
When: 18 Sep 25 22:22
Anyone coming across the Channel should be bussed to nearby Manston airport in Kent and flown to Africa, eg like the Rwanda scheme, to be processed
Then, as most of them will be found to be ineligible as an asylum seeker, subsequently returned direct to their country of origin, without being able to dissappear into the black economy here
It will be a lot cheaper to keep them in camps there and crucially stop a lot of them attempting to cross the channel
I cannot see how this is unreasonable for anyone fleeing persecution
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 18 Sep 25 22:33
What should happen, in my view, is that the government, however precedental it may be, should initiate a state of emergency of this boats from Europe situation, because that is what it is becoming.  That can’t be disputed in my view.  Then, the first thing they should do within that state of emergency is suspend their attachment/commitment to the EHCR.  Immediately they would be able to act out U.K. policy in line with what we all expected Brexit to achieve, which is U.K. self determination.
If there are legal drawbacks, overcome them.  Do what the people want, or reap a whirlwind of serious civil unrest.
By:
Regbutler
When: 18 Sep 25 22:48
Yes, withdrawal from the EHCR would be a good start.
By:
comingupthehill
When: 18 Sep 25 23:13
2023 net migration was 860k
2024 net migration was 431k

37k arrived by boats.

The boat issue is a smoke screen.

70% of asylum seekers get leave to remain.

Rwanda is pointless,cos we’d have to fly them back.

The tories want loads of migrants,hence they let more in,but then use the migrant issue as a weapon to attack labour.

Everyone is being fooled.its about winning elections and swinging votes,

Stopping all the non boat migrants is easier to tackle,but then that’s not as emotive.
By:
uptheirons
When: 18 Sep 25 23:19
Any Party that is not in power promises anything to get in power.
And,so it goes
By:
Cider
When: 18 Sep 25 23:25
They both have to be sorted.

Net migration figure is a distraction if it's affluent people being swapped for those who will be supported by the remaining taxpayers. And as I stated, we don't keep proper records of foreigners leaving, so it's a finger in the air.

The distinction between the two however is that legal immigration is nominally, entirely in the gift of elected politicians. They just don't carry out the repeated mandates they were elected on.

Everyone is being fooled.its about winning elections and swinging votes,


Why do you think the electorate will be giving up on the established parties? Their lying has run out of road.
By:
uptheirons
When: 18 Sep 25 23:28
Barage is a near certainty to be the next Prime Minister.
Let's see if he delivers on the Boat Ponces
By:
Cider
When: 18 Sep 25 23:45
There are so many hurdles to overcome, should they actually win a GE. Not least, they have no representation in the HoL.
By:
Cider
When: 18 Sep 25 23:47
Convention is that they have to pass legislation that was included in the manifesto. But convention was thrown out of the window to frustrate leaving the EU.
By:
Jacko2017
When: 19 Sep 25 09:59
The Govt has published its Q2 Purchase Order for the Dept of Children.

Total Spend in 3 months: €417.68M
Below are the Top 20 companies:

Cape Wrath Hotel (City West):  €15,234,363.45
Guestford Ltd:  €11,346,350.93
Mosney Holidays Plc: €9,742,023.95
Holiday Inn Dublin Airport (Skyline)  €8,929,568.99
The D Hotel (Fairkeep): €7,320,000.02
Bridgestock Care Limited: €6,695,101.32
Trailhead Unlimited Company: €6,469,791.06
Kintrona Ltd: €6,333,280.00
Carnbeg Hotel and Spa: €5,751,750.00
Heronwell Unlimited Company: €5,534,837.00
Brava Capital Ltd:  €5,528,748.13
Travelodge Hotels (Smorgs Roi): €5,440,140.39
Didean Dochas Eireann Teoranta: €5,151,933.00
Igo Cafe Limited: €4,903,345.61
Brimwood Unlimited: €4,885,311.00
Allpro Security Services Ireland Ltd: €4,694,769.19
Fazyard Ltd Nos 1 and 2: €4,439,969.70
Jma Ventures Limited: €4,033,545.00
Transboil Ltd: €4,024,780.00
Gateway Integration Unlimited: €3,910,000.00

These top 20 account for €130.37m or 31.2% of all spend.

Companies with known links to Banty McEnaney have been paid at least ~€13.5million - putting him just behind City West as biggest beneficiary.

Keep in mind:
there are 40,000 children on creche waiting places.

The majority of these companies operate with 50%+ net profit margins within complex tax-efficient structures to avoid paying as little tax as possible.

Of particular note is "Didean Dochas Eireann Teoranta" a company set up to purchase single houses across the midlands to provide own door accommodation. The houses it buys with tax payers money do not belong to the State. Instead they are held by an Isle of Man company. They compete in the market directly against first time buyers and ordinary tax payers. WILD.

I will never stop calling this out.
By:
saddo
When: 19 Sep 25 10:20
Interesting, they are paying companies to source a lot of housing here,
I assumed if the Gov is buying them at least we own assets, perhaps not?
They will still be paying for the hotels until the end of contract, even
if they have removed everyone into the houses we are buying.
By:
impossible123
When: 19 Sep 25 10:36
I heard earlier "one in, one out" is an exchange eg an illegal here (from France) for one from France who's applying for asylum for the UK. However, it's not constrained by one for one at any one time eg it could be 15 for 7, but eventually or at a set point there will be an equilibrium between the UK and France.

But, we are still paying France a colossal amount to patrol the border there. it's still a win, win for France.
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 19 Sep 25 15:31
What is needed is a deterrent to stop People coming here, this one in out business will not deter anyone

Sadly we have the All in none out brigade in this country ,which does not help
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 19 Sep 25 15:55
Horatio Nelson.    18 Sep 25.   19.33.   Spot on.

The govt. should announce a “state of emergency”, suspend they’re/our attachment to the EHCR, and deal with this catastrophe.
Nothing else will see our own self-determination asserting itself.
By:
Delashay
When: 19 Sep 25 16:11
They’ve been swarming in long long before the boats…..

Numbers are far higher.

I’ve been I house where there where four double beds! They came out two by two, like a scene from Noah’s Ark.

A friend who went to art college married a poor peasant woman from India, I don’t know why he had to go there to find a wife?

We’ve then been letting in family members of such types in, that should never of been happening.
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