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24 years since the biggest false-flag event in recent times.
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The Boston marathon
7/7
Moon Landing
Pearl Harbour
Gulf of Tonkin
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The Boston marathon
7/7
Moon Landing
Pearl Harbour
Gulf of Tonkin
Charlie Ebdo
Search for my book on Amazon
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Anyone actually visited the memorial sight there in NY?
24 years passed in the blink of an eye, now that is scary.
Author says he lives in London - DiffGravy said he didn’t like Londoners to me after one of my first posts! 
So are you the author?
So are you the author?
Can’t believe it’s that long ago, one of the most surreal events I’ve had in my life sitting seeing that dime on the news that morning.
If anyone goes to NY I recommend visiting the museum and the remembrance water features for both towers.
If anyone goes to NY I recommend visiting the museum and the remembrance water features for both towers.
probably the only date my mrs remembers,mentioned it again last might i,nearly died in hospital that week and the day i came out i was sat up in the chair watching planes flying in to the tower on sky news
I went to a mate’s brothers that afternoon to pick up a computer he’d worked on for me. He called me up stairs to see the telly and the second plane was just ploughing in. All stunned I picked up the p.c. and set off home.
It used to be said - and it was very true - that we could all remember where we were and what we were doing when JFK was assassinated, and most of us could.
It works in another way too.
Twenty years later I had occasion to visit him again and met him outside washing his car. His missus saw me, opened the window and invited me up for a cuppa. The bold Eric shouted to her “Naw, dinnae - something terrible will happen”! He associated me with the disaster, not where he had been.
It used to be said - and it was very true - that we could all remember where we were and what we were doing when JFK was assassinated, and most of us could.
It works in another way too.
Twenty years later I had occasion to visit him again and met him outside washing his car. His missus saw me, opened the window and invited me up for a cuppa. The bold Eric shouted to her “Naw, dinnae - something terrible will happen”! He associated me with the disaster, not where he had been.
Were you in the U.S. at the time dela? We watched it at three o’clock as I recall.
I was in an office on Waterloo Road where we used to have a small tv in the corner with the news on...I remember a colleague saying "you all have to see this"...
I turned around to look at the tv and for the first time in my life thought i'd been drugged.
I turned around to look at the tv and for the first time in my life thought i'd been drugged.
I flew out of New York on the evening of September 10th back to Heathrow. Earlier that day I was on the Staten Island ferry which at the time gave incredible views of the twin towers. Anyway, arrived in London about 6:00am on the 11th, went to bed for a couple of hours and literally could not believe what I was watching when I saw the news later.
I can imagine your sentiments JV.
I regularly see reruns of varied NY situated tv shows, like Kojak for instance and so often the twins are pictured in scenes. One M.I.B. film uses them in a long scene too.
Very poignant when you see them. Weird feeling actually.
I watched it all live and some of the sights were extremely harrowing, later edited out of newsreels.
Today we have the horrors of Gaza. Dreadful.
I regularly see reruns of varied NY situated tv shows, like Kojak for instance and so often the twins are pictured in scenes. One M.I.B. film uses them in a long scene too.
Very poignant when you see them. Weird feeling actually.
I watched it all live and some of the sights were extremely harrowing, later edited out of newsreels.
Today we have the horrors of Gaza. Dreadful.
No Loyal I was here, had a day off work and rolled one up, toked away, turned on the TV and was thinking I’d switched on some Bruce Willis film!
I called my dad and said you better go see a TV so he went in a bookies and it was on in there! My friend was out there working as a graphic designer and he sent me pics from his roof.
I called my dad and said you better go see a TV so he went in a bookies and it was on in there! My friend was out there working as a graphic designer and he sent me pics from his roof.
In the museum which I’d share photos from if I could suss posting they have the skeleton of the structure still visible with the graffiti from the firemen.
When you see the girders and concrete rising up like a distorted abstract it’s so difficult to imagine the tons of that that fell and seemed to disintegrate and disappear.
There’s a tiny church right next to where they were and how that survived I’ll never know.
They have these big black squares where the buildings stood with the names etched and water flowing into them. Looking at the names you’ll see Arabic ones too, it targeted everyone.
When you see the girders and concrete rising up like a distorted abstract it’s so difficult to imagine the tons of that that fell and seemed to disintegrate and disappear.
There’s a tiny church right next to where they were and how that survived I’ll never know.
They have these big black squares where the buildings stood with the names etched and water flowing into them. Looking at the names you’ll see Arabic ones too, it targeted everyone.
Airport security really has changed since then and it needed too.
I recall the footage of the blokes all together before they separated and went their separate ways. The film highlighted in this documentary that they had Stanley knives in their back pockets!
Hard to believe!
But I’d carried 4 tenants and 4 special brews (for family not me to show them proper brews!) on no problem when flying there in the 90’s. Even brought a baseball back on the plane, just carried on!
I recall the footage of the blokes all together before they separated and went their separate ways. The film highlighted in this documentary that they had Stanley knives in their back pockets!
Hard to believe!
But I’d carried 4 tenants and 4 special brews (for family not me to show them proper brews!) on no problem when flying there in the 90’s. Even brought a baseball back on the plane, just carried on!
Not long ago I read the Book by Ron Jonson, The Men That Stare At Goats. It’s about the whacky things that the US military have done with experiments.
It’s hilarious and jaw dropping that some can actually be real!
They consulted these Martial Arts nuts with trying to learn Jedi mind tricks. One had been approached by a young (I think Lebanese man) who wanted to learn especially in close fighting, how to handle a crowd and knife fighting.
After he’d left his school the next time he heard his name was after 9/11. His flat was full of the paperwork he’d given him and details on planes.
The books worth reading.
It’s hilarious and jaw dropping that some can actually be real!
They consulted these Martial Arts nuts with trying to learn Jedi mind tricks. One had been approached by a young (I think Lebanese man) who wanted to learn especially in close fighting, how to handle a crowd and knife fighting.
After he’d left his school the next time he heard his name was after 9/11. His flat was full of the paperwork he’d given him and details on planes.
The books worth reading.
Couldn't agree more Loyal Honcho. I've always loved New York and and even when I've been back since 9/11 I still find the whole thing utterly tragic and it's still difficult to comprehend that the towers are no longer there. At least One World Trade Center has been designed to withstand any kind of similar attack.
Wow, Johnny. Must’ve been a surreal experience on the eleventh for you.
Hi Kenbo, hope all's well.
Yes it was and left a deep mental scar to be honest.
Yes it was and left a deep mental scar to be honest.
All good, thanks. Good to see you back again.
I’m not surprised. Would feel like a very near miss.
I’m not surprised. Would feel like a very near miss.
Glad all's well. I did my time but alas, it looks like Mart's not coming back anytime soon?
There’s a sing by the Band The Coup named (Head) of state.
The "coup" referred to in connection to Bush and Hussein is the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq which toppled Saddam Hussein's regime. While there were earlier attempts and plans by the Bush administration to weaken or remove Saddam Hussein through covert means, such as President George H.W. Bush's suggestion for Iraqis to topple their own leader, the 2003 invasion was a large-scale military operation rather than a small-scale coup.
“Bush and Hussein together in bed
Giving H-E-A-D head
Y′all mother****s heard what we said
Billions made and millions dead
Work it out, set it up
Work it out, set it up
Bush and Hussein together in bed
Giving H-E-A-D head
Y′all mother****s heard what we said
Billions made and millions dead
In a land not very far away from here
George W. Bush was drinkin' beer
His daddy was head of the CIA
Now listen up close to what I say
The CIA worked for Standard Oil
And other companies to whom they're loyal
In a whole ′nother land by the name of Iran
The people got wise and took a stand
To the oil companies, ay ain′t **** funny?
This is our oil, our land, our money
CIA got mad and sent false info
To Iraq to help start the Iran/Iraq wo'
Pronounced war if I have to be proper
The CIA is the cops that′s why I hate the coppers
Saddam Hussein was their man out there
They told him to rule while keepin' people scared
Sayin′ any opposition to him, he must crush it
He gassed the Kurds, they gave him his budget
Said you gotta kick ass to protect our cash
Step out of line and feel our wrath
You know the time without lookin' at the little hand
Time came for them to cut out the middle man
Children maimed with no legs and ****
′Cause the "Bombs Over..."; you know the OutKast hit
And they really want you to hate him dead
When just the other day they made him head
War ain't about one land against the next
It's po′ people dyin so the rich cash checks
Bush and Hussein together in bed
Giving H-E-A-D head
Y'all mother****s heard what we said
Billions made and millions dead
Work it out, set it up
Work it out, set it up.”
A very clever story teller and not a believer in WOMD!
The "coup" referred to in connection to Bush and Hussein is the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq which toppled Saddam Hussein's regime. While there were earlier attempts and plans by the Bush administration to weaken or remove Saddam Hussein through covert means, such as President George H.W. Bush's suggestion for Iraqis to topple their own leader, the 2003 invasion was a large-scale military operation rather than a small-scale coup.
“Bush and Hussein together in bed
Giving H-E-A-D head
Y′all mother****s heard what we said
Billions made and millions dead
Work it out, set it up
Work it out, set it up
Bush and Hussein together in bed
Giving H-E-A-D head
Y′all mother****s heard what we said
Billions made and millions dead
In a land not very far away from here
George W. Bush was drinkin' beer
His daddy was head of the CIA
Now listen up close to what I say
The CIA worked for Standard Oil
And other companies to whom they're loyal
In a whole ′nother land by the name of Iran
The people got wise and took a stand
To the oil companies, ay ain′t **** funny?
This is our oil, our land, our money
CIA got mad and sent false info
To Iraq to help start the Iran/Iraq wo'
Pronounced war if I have to be proper
The CIA is the cops that′s why I hate the coppers
Saddam Hussein was their man out there
They told him to rule while keepin' people scared
Sayin′ any opposition to him, he must crush it
He gassed the Kurds, they gave him his budget
Said you gotta kick ass to protect our cash
Step out of line and feel our wrath
You know the time without lookin' at the little hand
Time came for them to cut out the middle man
Children maimed with no legs and ****
′Cause the "Bombs Over..."; you know the OutKast hit
And they really want you to hate him dead
When just the other day they made him head
War ain't about one land against the next
It's po′ people dyin so the rich cash checks
Bush and Hussein together in bed
Giving H-E-A-D head
Y'all mother****s heard what we said
Billions made and millions dead
Work it out, set it up
Work it out, set it up.”
A very clever story teller and not a believer in WOMD!
The author of the book Different Gravy the Londoner hater also wrote a whack book that says MCCartney was replaced
Well if you’re right that he died in ‘66 that means the signed album I have by the Beatles is legit
and HAS Paul’s actual signature!
I’ll present that case when taking the album to flog!
Well if you’re right that he died in ‘66 that means the signed album I have by the Beatles is legit
and HAS Paul’s actual signature! I’ll present that case when taking the album to flog!
I can’t see Mart getting back on. Wouldn’t be surprised if he even wanted too.
I've been up one of the Twin Towers in 1995 and that was after the 1st World Trade Centre attack.
Millions of Yanks (and some on here) still think it was an Inside Job
I Do Not
I Do Not
And there’s been NO mention of it on the news today
No room to mention it out of respect for the lost.
I don’t believe that it was an inside job as they couldn’t even hit the right targets in the Iraq war, lost more to friendly fire!
My cousin’s husband was in the tank division first up that went in for that and now can’t believe what he sees in America!
They wanted the oil that was the excuse to go get it.
There’s no conspiracy theories about the current war in Ukraine but it’s all the same. Chop up divide the riches….
I don’t believe that it was an inside job as they couldn’t even hit the right targets in the Iraq war, lost more to friendly fire!
My cousin’s husband was in the tank division first up that went in for that and now can’t believe what he sees in America!
They wanted the oil that was the excuse to go get it.
There’s no conspiracy theories about the current war in Ukraine but it’s all the same. Chop up divide the riches….
No one think that Spewtin and pump drew up the plan and storyline in the first term?
Planned by dirt,carried out by dirt…..
3000 murdered by dirt.
3000 murdered by dirt.
Politics and foreign policy IS a lot like horse racing, they hatch the plans years in advance.
9/11: Mystery of the Fifth Plane
Investigating the untold story of United Flight 23, another plane that was due to depart JFK Airport at 9am on September 11th 2001, that flight attendants and the pilot believed was targeted to be used by hijackers
channel 5 later , Never heard of it
Investigating the untold story of United Flight 23, another plane that was due to depart JFK Airport at 9am on September 11th 2001, that flight attendants and the pilot believed was targeted to be used by hijackers
channel 5 later , Never heard of it
What did both Iraq and Ukraine have in common? They had something that was desired.
I can’t help if some only see what’s in front of them.
The only question is where next?
Donald Trump has reportedly agreed a deal for the US to jointly develop Ukraine’s mineral resources. Although the agreement, which has yet to be signed, is not thought to include any security guarantees for Ukraine, Kyiv will hope it will pave the way for continued US support in its fight against Russia’s invasion.
The deal also appears not to include Trump’s previous demand for rights to US$500 billion (£394 billion) of revenue from Ukraine’s rare and critical minerals. But it will help secure American access to what are essential resources in the 21st century economy and for which the US has been heavily reliant on supplies from other countries, notably China.
Rare minerals such as gallium are critical for advanced defence technologies but are not readily available to the US domestically. And China, a leading supplier of gallium, has used its control over the resource as leverage against the US. It has imposed a ban on rare minerals being exported to the US, as part of its retaliation to increased US tariffs on Chinese goods.
Other minerals are crucial for military technology such as missile system, electronics and electric vehicles. In Ukraine, there are deposits for 22 of the 34 minerals identified by the European Union as critical.
The problem for the US is that China currently accounts for a high proportion of certain critical mineral imports.
So Trump sees a resolution to the Ukraine war as an opportunity to secure alternative sources of critical minerals, reducing US dependency on China and allowing Trump to take a more aggressive approach towards it. He also may not have predicted that China would hit back against the US tariffs with restrictions on these vital resources quite so quickly.
Gallium is valued by the defence manufacturing industry because it is reliable and durable. In particular, the element is seen as a crucial tool enhancing radar, satellite communication systems, and electronic warfare systems. It is also used in multi-chip modules utilised by navigation and air traffic control systems.
In addition to gallium, Ukraine has vast resources of graphite, an element that is used in the construction of electric vehicles and nuclear reactors, and a third of Europe’s supply of lithium, which is used in batteries.
Trump’s focus on critical minerals has also influenced his interest in Greenland which possesses significant reserves of critical minerals, making it a potential alternative to Chinese-controlled resources.
https://www.port.ac.uk/news-events-and-blogs/blogs/academic-expertise/why-trump-really-wants-ukraines-minerals-china-has-put-theirs-off-limits
I can’t help if some only see what’s in front of them.
The only question is where next?
Donald Trump has reportedly agreed a deal for the US to jointly develop Ukraine’s mineral resources. Although the agreement, which has yet to be signed, is not thought to include any security guarantees for Ukraine, Kyiv will hope it will pave the way for continued US support in its fight against Russia’s invasion.
The deal also appears not to include Trump’s previous demand for rights to US$500 billion (£394 billion) of revenue from Ukraine’s rare and critical minerals. But it will help secure American access to what are essential resources in the 21st century economy and for which the US has been heavily reliant on supplies from other countries, notably China.
Rare minerals such as gallium are critical for advanced defence technologies but are not readily available to the US domestically. And China, a leading supplier of gallium, has used its control over the resource as leverage against the US. It has imposed a ban on rare minerals being exported to the US, as part of its retaliation to increased US tariffs on Chinese goods.
Other minerals are crucial for military technology such as missile system, electronics and electric vehicles. In Ukraine, there are deposits for 22 of the 34 minerals identified by the European Union as critical.
The problem for the US is that China currently accounts for a high proportion of certain critical mineral imports.
So Trump sees a resolution to the Ukraine war as an opportunity to secure alternative sources of critical minerals, reducing US dependency on China and allowing Trump to take a more aggressive approach towards it. He also may not have predicted that China would hit back against the US tariffs with restrictions on these vital resources quite so quickly.
Gallium is valued by the defence manufacturing industry because it is reliable and durable. In particular, the element is seen as a crucial tool enhancing radar, satellite communication systems, and electronic warfare systems. It is also used in multi-chip modules utilised by navigation and air traffic control systems.
In addition to gallium, Ukraine has vast resources of graphite, an element that is used in the construction of electric vehicles and nuclear reactors, and a third of Europe’s supply of lithium, which is used in batteries.
Trump’s focus on critical minerals has also influenced his interest in Greenland which possesses significant reserves of critical minerals, making it a potential alternative to Chinese-controlled resources.
https://www.port.ac.uk/news-events-and-blogs/blogs/academic-expertise/why-trump-really-wants-ukraines-minerals-china-has-put-theirs-off-limits
Welcome back to the great old fashioned land grab. The new space race is the same…. China have gone to the moon for its minerals.
I’d written before that there are 70 towns in the US that produce munitions and other military equipment that’s been sent on tic to the Ukraine.
That’s great for the local economy in the US and now they’re taking back that debt without having to give any security deals with troops on the ground! Win win!
Wonder why the war has been prolonged for so long?
I’d written before that there are 70 towns in the US that produce munitions and other military equipment that’s been sent on tic to the Ukraine.
That’s great for the local economy in the US and now they’re taking back that debt without having to give any security deals with troops on the ground! Win win!
Wonder why the war has been prolonged for so long?
America it’s was pillaged for what the wealth that the land had. That was after Coloumbus had landed in SanSalvador which he described as a rich and fertile land.
Not long after the trees were all cut, farming and cattle reduced the soil to being infertile and as there were no longer tress the sand swept across the island making it barren.
It’s been going on for years.
Not long after the trees were all cut, farming and cattle reduced the soil to being infertile and as there were no longer tress the sand swept across the island making it barren.
It’s been going on for years.
I don’t have a strong fancy for it or much interest Ace, how about you?
Still studying tbh….I’ll make my decision later….
Delashay • September 10, 2025 11:06 AM BST
I’d like to see Jersey boy and the small stable collect, nothing personal to you, like an underdog.
He put it up ap @ 9/1 and I never trust when AOB runs a few. Scan I thought too short and felt it was fav because we didn’t know about the participation of Lambourn. Stay True I’d fear if backing either those as he was off for ages and Smith said at Lingfield that he hit the line strong.
I’d like to see Jersey boy and the small stable collect, nothing personal to you, like an underdog.
He put it up ap @ 9/1 and I never trust when AOB runs a few. Scan I thought too short and felt it was fav because we didn’t know about the participation of Lambourn. Stay True I’d fear if backing either those as he was off for ages and Smith said at Lingfield that he hit the line strong.
Jerseyboy • August 22, 2025 9:22 AM BST
Back Carmers each way thank me later..
jerseyboy • August 22, 2025 10:47 AM BST
Delashay Its locally owned. I have backed it in all 4 of its races, 3 wins and one second with not the clearest of runs, messed around by the other runners from one particular yard. Will like the extra 2 furlongs or so, on at app 9/1 just need good luck.
He stuck his neck out and I respect anyone who can look beyond AOB or a fav.
Back Carmers each way thank me later..
jerseyboy • August 22, 2025 10:47 AM BST
Delashay Its locally owned. I have backed it in all 4 of its races, 3 wins and one second with not the clearest of runs, messed around by the other runners from one particular yard. Will like the extra 2 furlongs or so, on at app 9/1 just need good luck.
He stuck his neck out and I respect anyone who can look beyond AOB or a fav.
No worries, not long ago they were talking of dividing like Germany was - East and West if you remember. It’s all a stage, so the likes of Pump can make claims like, “they’d never of invaded if I was still in power…” or “I’ll end it in a day.”
Also remember that they claimed there was Russian influence on that first election that saw him first gain power?
I don’t believe for a minute that he truly wants peace, there was a quote where he actually said , “We need what you have, we need your minerals.”
Poor Zelenskyy is a pawn.
Also remember that they claimed there was Russian influence on that first election that saw him first gain power?
I don’t believe for a minute that he truly wants peace, there was a quote where he actually said , “We need what you have, we need your minerals.”
Poor Zelenskyy is a pawn.
Trump to offer Putin minerals for peace
US president will propose money-making opportunities to encourage Russia to end Ukraine war
Convenient that he was out of power and that time let them build up that debt and now that deal is done!
Look at the map and what’s there :
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/08/13/trump-to-present-minerals-deal-to-putin-in-alaska/
US president will propose money-making opportunities to encourage Russia to end Ukraine war
Convenient that he was out of power and that time let them build up that debt and now that deal is done!
Look at the map and what’s there :
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/08/13/trump-to-present-minerals-deal-to-putin-in-alaska/
During his first 100 days in office, Trump spoke of acquiring Greenland and didn’t rule out a military intervention. With Ukraine, the US president complained that the country was taking US weapons without giving back anything in return. In one of his classic transactional moves, Trump proposed that Ukraine pay its “debt” with the mineral resources beneath its soil.
That’s not a guy who should be spoken about with the Nobel Peace Prize.
Geopolitics and minerals were a dual priority from the beginning. “During the Second World War and in the early years of the Cold War, the United States was well aware of the strategic resource potential of Greenland,” Klaus Dodds points out. “And that partly explains why Harry Truman offered to purchase the island in 1946. At that time, the interest was largely in cryolite, which was essential to the manufacture of aluminum.”
The above is taken from this, all seems pretty clear to me. Human life is irrelevant.
https://www.fairobserver.com/politics/trump-dreams-of-minerals-in-ukraine-an...
That’s not a guy who should be spoken about with the Nobel Peace Prize.
Geopolitics and minerals were a dual priority from the beginning. “During the Second World War and in the early years of the Cold War, the United States was well aware of the strategic resource potential of Greenland,” Klaus Dodds points out. “And that partly explains why Harry Truman offered to purchase the island in 1946. At that time, the interest was largely in cryolite, which was essential to the manufacture of aluminum.”
The above is taken from this, all seems pretty clear to me. Human life is irrelevant.
https://www.fairobserver.com/politics/trump-dreams-of-minerals-in-ukraine-an...
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